"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**FredMoore** · 12-24-14 17:55

Here's to a spectacular year of endless pussy for all!

Nando.

**HollywoodGuy** · 12-24-14 17:50

80% of the girls on the SD sites today and tomorrow (and every Friday night) will be UTR or Pro. Lets all look forward to a great new year. This thread is the definitive guide to sugar dating for the common man. Any rich guy can wave thousand dollar bills and get pussy.

Like the girl on the radio sings "I love the players and you love the game".

Sounds like an experienced SB to me.

**Piecake1234** · 12-24-14 16:45

Signed up for a new site and I've got quite a few matches but I haven't engaged with any of them yet. What do you guys use as your introduction / starting line? I don't want to play games and would prefer to get to the point and see if they'd take $ or so.

**IluvSmellyFish** · 12-24-14 11:20

Fredmoore pretty much summed it up, much more succinctly, with nomenclature to boot. Well done sir, and thank you for the lesson: the.

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

Nomencalure.

HYB (hot young baby) was coined earlier in the thread to represent these girls from 18 to 25 I also called them Nando 3's or the sportsters who are the college girls that you are naming HCB (hot college Babys) There can be a distinction between the two as I see it. But to recap my rating system:

**IluvSmellyFish** · 12-24-14 11:12

Yeah. I agree, money plays a huge part for a lot of girls. I mean its the nature of the websites we are on. I also agree that money isn't the only factor. In my two short weeks in the bowl, I have met all types. Some seem truley seem interested in meeting different people and are generally attracted to older men. It doesn't hurt that guys their age can't afford to take them out to dinner at a $50 a plate restaurant. At least two of my pots seem generally interested in enjoying experiences at nice places, with an attractive older guy who treats them well, isn't talking about sports and occasionally listens to them.

Some of the girls I've met are of the college variety that are looking for attention. They remind me of the girls that used to hang out at the fraternities looking for attention. Again, rather than giving it away for free, why not get wines and dined and some spending cash from a guy who is reasonably nice and non creepy. Makes more sense than giving it away for free on tinder right?

Most that I've met so far just seem strapped for cash, and the forum was right, there are plenty of UTR's out there. I am still meeting up with the POT from my last post that the board advised is probably a UTR, but still the vine is different with her. Will update the board afterwards. I did make contact with two other confirmed UTR's. One from Richmond and another from the Vienna area. The gifts they were requesting were in line with what one would donate for time with a mid level escort. And since there is no way for me to verify how much fun I would have with them, I politely declined, indicated that our needs seemed to be out of sync, but that if either of our needs changed in the future that we should make contact with the other. Both were attractive ladies in the mid 20 early 30's, but with the verifiable and amazing talent in my area, if I am looking for a sure thing, I'd prefer making a call to Jennifer to see one of her models or to the south to set up an appointment with a sexy companion.

Tonight I have a m&g with the pot from Richmond who is flaky, but desperately wants to move to the DC metro area.

We'll see how that goes. For seniors looking to make contact with either of the other ladies who seem to be UTRs, send me a pm. I'd prefer not blowing up their spot by posting the info publicly and besides, half the fun of the bowl is the hunt. Albeit, getting a UTR to the FC is a bit like shooting deer in a fenced in game preserve where the animals ate stocked for you.

Happy holidays Gents!

**FredMoore** · 12-24-14 11:10

Nando 1 : Desperately poor high level of drama girls of all ages. These are the ones who call for more money because they are getting (fill in the tragedy here) tomorrow. Often these girls have kids, no baby daddy (BD) support a hostile or dead beat BD, and are frequently drug / alcohol addicted and can have police records.

Nando 2: Escorts of all ages who are prospecting for biz on the sugar sites. They have few barriers to entry and frequently take all comers. Most screen rigorously . It is important to identify them as escorts so your mind set can be right. You can I.d. them 3 ways 1) they call you hun or babe before actually meeting you 2) they charge by the hour and will be upfront with their rate and breakdown services , and 3) they will provide a room for your meet (since they already have one booked).

Nando 3 : Sugar Baby. A true baby of all ages who wants a regular SD to pay them an allowance in return for fun times together. Often these girls are younger and looking for tuition help, car and house payments, mentoring for a career advancement, thrilling trips to exotic places. They rarely screen for identity as they are naive and have not been hurt yet by an unscrupulous Daddy

Nando 4 : MILFs. These are older women who are looking for fun and support. I would define older as over 30 and often have children .

Divisions blur and blend but I would modify Nando 3 into 3 subdivisions
Nando 3 : SB
a) pure SB (one SD and an exclusive arrangement ) This would include a Mistress : An SB with an emotional connection to her Daddy ,usually exclusive .
b) UTR : Sugar Baby who has added more than 1 Daddy to her dance card ,arbitrarily limited to 3 SDs. She does not have the escort mentality where she accepts most clients deemed to be safe for her .
c) Escort : see Nando 2

**FredMoore** · 12-24-14 10:52

SB #1.

Hot MILF date # 2 on the books. This will tell the tale about an ongoing relationship.

Pot #1 (again).

19 yr old 8/8/8/? Working for several months but hung in. She is one of those several of us are pursuing. She is bi-sexual, has a GF now and was not into sex. Well now she has agreed to the FC. Maybe somebody popped her sugar cherry and she likes the attention and money? She agrees to meet after the Holidays. If this is consumated it will prove that persistence and gentlemanly behavior works. Then again, I am not betting the ranch.

UTR #1.

Sadly has gone silent. She lives 2 hours away and is too far to service properly. She is either busy with regulars or has gone civilian.

**FredMoore** · 12-24-14 10:41

Originally Posted by Graham111 [View Original Post]

I have been seeing my 23 yo regularly. Pics are in this thread. Looks like she is starting to get "trained" as snooping her phone she is in dialog with another daddy offering $$ and she is holding out for more. Initially she would not agree we had an arrangement. Our agreement is $ the first night and $0. 5 any additional nites of the week and she asks for as many as she can get. We stay in a nice hotel and typically get something to eat. But shows it's not all about the $ with these gals.

This goes to show that they ARE mostly about the money. Multiple factors abound but in the end she is looking for more Monay and ready to sign on another DAddy for a bigger ticket. She is apparently thrilled with you and your --er --deal, but finds it is too easy for a hot young girl to get laid for $$ Your donation is at the bottom of the barrel and she needs more. If you want exclusivity you should have the talk and be prepared to pony up more Dough. Just think of all of us Mongers hitting on the same girls. Each girl can go out with 10 to 20 guys easily for $ to $$$ each FC date and all the free dinners they can stomach. They have to reconcile their "status"in their own mind --are they a true SB seeing one Daddy in a relationship of sorts? Or are they an UTR balancing several acts? Or are they a full on Ho? There is a fine line between the categories nest ce Pas?

**Graham111** · 12-24-14 08:58

Originally Posted by Walruscl [View Original Post]

As has often been repeated in this thread, so long as you act like a gentlemen and are reasonably attractive, competition really isn't the biggest issue. After you've gotten their attention it becomes a matter of game, sugar expectations, and whether you're dealing with a bad pick (GPS, flake, Nando-1, poor personality match, etc).

I have been seeing my 23 yo regularly. Pics are in this thread. Looks like she is starting to get "trained" as snooping her phone she is in dialog with another daddy offering $$ and she is holding out for more. Initially she would not agree we had an arrangement. Our agreement is $ the first night and $0. 5 any additional nites of the week and she asks for as many as she can get. We stay in a nice hotel and typically get something to eat. But shows it's not all about the $ with these gals.

**Walruscl** · 12-23-14 14:17

Originally Posted by IluvSmellyFish [View Original Post]

Can't figure out why I didn't start playing in it sooner. I guess in todays world most guys won't even treat a pretty young girl to dinner, and there are so many crazy SDs out there with odd fetishes, that a decent looking guy who has a general enjoyment of sex, is like a gold mine for most of these girls.

As has often been repeated in this thread, so long as you act like a gentlemen and are reasonably attractive, competition really isn't the biggest issue. After you've gotten their attention it becomes a matter of game, sugar expectations, and whether you're dealing with a bad pick (GPS, flake, Nando-1, poor personality match, etc).

**Walruscl** · 12-23-14 14:08

Originally Posted by Smokarz_XO [View Original Post]

Keep in mind, these are not pros and they are meeting strangers online for the first time. Safety is a definite concern.

When you think about it from their side, it's hard to imagine what it takes for a non-pro to work up the courage for even a M&G. Especially the under-20 crowd (or maybe for them it's just naivet at work).

Early on with my SB, we had a conversation where somewhere along the line she mentioned that "well, at this point I feel safe with you". We had been to the FC 2-3 times at that point, so one would hope she felt safe by then. But I personally had been so focused on my own issues of privacy, whether things were working out, etc, that I didn't even stop to think about the issues she would be dealing with.

**IluvSmellyFish** · 12-23-14 14:04

Can't figure out why I didn't start playing in it sooner. I guess in todays world most guys won't even treat a pretty young girl to dinner, and there are so many crazy SDs out there with odd fetishes, that a decent looking guy who has a general enjoyment of sex, is like a gold mine for most of these girls.

I am finding that the cost is actually less than mongering and the quality of the girls is so much higher.

There is a clear disparity between the male to female ratio in the bowl that works in our favor.

Guess its because most guys don't watch the Dr. Phil type shows that talk about the bowl (since they are working), and the guys who do, aren't employed so can't afford to play in it anyway.

Happy holidays Gents!

**Member #5570** · 12-23-14 12:02

Originally Posted by BigLick90 [View Original Post]

Was at a M&G with a pretty 20 why Latina at a local Starbucks last evening. Met her there and after about 15 minutes she says, "do you think you could give me a ride home after this? My mom is waiting in the car outside and I want to tell her she can go home. " I almost didn't know what to say because I totally was not expecting that comment, LOL. Was a little conflicted as well because some alarms were going off in my head telling me this wasn't normal. But, the little head won out and we visited the FC and then I dropped her off at home later. Kind of a crazy evening but in the end it worked out well. I'm still laughing this morning about it.

LOL. That's not unusual at all. These young SBs usually do not have cars, nor the means to get one.

A few months ago, I had a 22 yr SB that had her mom drove her to the hotel and waited for her outside. I told her I didn't want to keep her mom waiting while we're having fun. After about 10 minutes, once she got comfortable with me, she texted her mom to go leave. Once we're done, she had her mom come back to pick her up.

Besides, needing a ride, they feel a little safer to have someone come with them and waited a while for them just so they can check you out first. Keep in mind, these are not pros and they are meeting strangers online for the first time. Safety is a definite concern.

**HollywoodGuy** · 12-22-14 19:31

Originally Posted by FScott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

Every so often, I sign up for the 3 day trial on SD4 Me, carpet bomb the locals with a message that contains my email and cell, and sit back and rake in the babies. Very often after my trial period is up, my access to mail and messaging on the site continues, and I am able to follow up with those little fish too dim to read that I want them to email me, not message me, on the site, or any late-comers who create profiles after the barn door has been supposedly closed.

Just a heads-up that the glitch in their shut-off function is allowing me to keep contacting newbies and dimbies, so if any of you out there want to give it a try, now may be your best chance. Just be sure to use a cc that has a limited balance available. As has been reported numberous times on here, SD4 Me is notorious for repeat billing despite your requests that they stop.

Cheers, and happy holidays.

Scott.

Another FYI. When I closed my extra account there a couple months ago, it was closed on the exact day it was supposed to, and no repeat billing.

**F Scott** · 12-22-14 19:18

Gentlemen,

Every so often, I sign up for the 3 day trial on SD4 Me, carpet bomb the locals with a message that contains my email and cell, and sit back and rake in the babies. Very often after my trial period is up, my access to mail and messaging on the site continues, and I am able to follow up with those little fish too dim to read that I want them to email me, not message me, on the site, or any late-comers who create profiles after the barn door has been supposedly closed.

Just a heads-up that the glitch in their shut-off function is allowing me to keep contacting newbies and dimbies, so if any of you out there want to give it a try, now may be your best chance. Just be sure to use a cc that has a limited balance available. As has been reported numberous times on here, SD4 Me is notorious for repeat billing despite your requests that they stop.

Cheers, and happy holidays.

Scott.