"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FredMoore]

What do home contractors and POT SBs have in common? Frequent Flaking.

I have had a string of 5 flakes in a row for M&G. Excuses ranging from being sick, not responding, last minute friend visit etc.

I am curious to know what everyones flake rate is? If they flake do you still pursue?

/ Flakes are extremely high but some times it pays to be persistent. I have reacquired many a flake by sticking with her. But once a flake she always will be so be prepared to deal with it as long as you see that SB.

My lineup (all BB) :

SB #1 was a flake. After FC #1 she went dark for 2 months. Just when I thought we were done I re initiated contact and had FC #2 . Since then communication has been better but not ideal yet and she could become an ATF. She is a 9/9/8/8 1 CPO.

SB # 2 is very reliable and communicates regularly. She is very happy with me and runs about. 75 CPO for 2 X / week She is 7/7/8/8. No flaking with her.

FB #1 is a flake but does provide BBFS with a 15 min turnaround. Good for a quickie if time is short, but availability is unpredictable. 75 CPO.

I have over 8 agreed to join me in the FC for $ to $$ but just do not have time to work them into the rotation.

[HollywoodGuy]

Met this Latina for dinner last night. I had actually deleted her number after talking to her a couple weeks ago. She seemed a little distant. But she txted me last nite right as I was going out to eat, so good timing. She was nice enough, a little thick in the middle from bein a mom. She was kinda shy but said I could fuck her this Sunday. I might, as she can drive to me and she lives far away. Says she hasnt had any in a few months. She also mentioned that the few guys she did meet were kinda dorky and awkward and nothing ever happened. I hear that a lot.

[ThirdCoaster]

Reading though the forum, I think I am approaching this Sugar bowl with wrong tactics.

- First I need to acquire a fake picture that resembles me.

- I need to be a bit more aggressive in my initial introduction. If anyone could share a outline of their initial intro email I would greatly appreciate it. I send a well written 3 paragraph template and response rate is very low.

The best response is from UTR and escorts.

My target segment is 21 - 30, slim or athletic, white or asian. This segment of the population is requesting $$ per meeting, which is a bit high for my budget.

Thanks in advance.

This advice is for you if you use SA.

I believe that when women see your email, the first thing they look at is your pic.

Then if you meet their minimum attractiveness requirement, they read your profile.

When they read your profile, they want to see congruency between the email and the profile.

So if you're saying you're a fun guy looking for fun, don't be posting a pic of you looking all serious and creepy.

The way I do things is I use a short intro email saying I read their profile and they sound fun and I'd love to brainstorm fun stuff with them. Once they reply I'll email small talk back and forth two or three times. Then I'll move the conversation to texting. When I'm texting, I'm setting the meet and I'm teasing them sexually. This progression let's things happen pretty naturally with very little talk of money.

What's the rational for posting a similar looking pic?

[HollywoodGuy]

My new SB is so cute. And smart. Not that I ever make that a qualification. 5'7 and 125 ..

[HollywoodGuy]

Reading though the forum, I think I am approaching this Sugar bowl with wrong tactics.

- First I need to acquire a fake picture that resembles me.

- I need to be a bit more aggressive in my initial introduction. If anyone could share a outline of their initial intro email I would greatly appreciate it. I send a well written 3 paragraph template and response rate is very low.

The best response is from UTR and escorts.

My target segment is 21 - 30, slim or athletic, white or asian. This segment of the population is requesting $$ per meeting, which is a bit high for my budget.

Thanks in advance.

Glad I like black girls. $$ really is the rate for a fine ass white girl.

[HollywoodGuy]

What do home contractors and POT SBs have in common? Frequent Flaking.

I have had a string of 5 flakes in a row for M&G. Excuses ranging from being sick, not responding, last minute friend visit etc.

I am curious to know what everyones flake rate is? If they flake do you still pursue?

Flake rate can be high. Double book.

[Brian139]

Ok, how many of you met your young SB and find out her mom actually drove her there and knows that she is going to see an SD? Would you go say Hi to her mom?

[Latex]

Reading though the forum, I think I am approaching this Sugar bowl with wrong tactics.

- First I need to acquire a fake picture that resembles me.

- I need to be a bit more aggressive in my initial introduction. If anyone could share a outline of their initial intro email I would greatly appreciate it. I send a well written 3 paragraph template and response rate is very low.

The best response is from UTR and escorts.

My target segment is 21 - 30, slim or athletic, white or asian. This segment of the population is requesting $$ per meeting, which is a bit high for my budget.

Thanks in advance.

[Latex]

What do home contractors and POT SBs have in common? Frequent Flaking.

I have had a string of 5 flakes in a row for M&G. Excuses ranging from being sick, not responding, last minute friend visit etc.

I am curious to know what everyones flake rate is? If they flake do you still pursue?

[JZLizard]

" Several years back I actually met online, and three hours later after a few drinks downtown had in my bed a genuine virgin (grad student). Her hymen was still so thick you couldn't get a finger past it without ripping her cherry open" . JL.

So JL, are you going to keep us waiting? Did you pop that cherry? Tell us about it. Pain? Suffering? Blood everywhere? Or did you activate your extreme mojo to anesthetize her to accomplish the deed?

Virgins are actually a big responsibility to get them acclimated to the sex world in a positive way. It is our duty! Hoo Rah!

LOL. I only mentioned that as an illustration of how an extreme case of a "good girl" can become not such a good girl in a very short period of time. She was a find on a civy dating site, so to get "too deep in all the gory details" (heh) are a little off topic for this forum. I usually try to keep my posts somehow relevant to the sugarbowl and that full story would be headed down a different path for sure. If you're really curious about the outcome shoot me an e-mail -- the details are "unique" and could identify me personally because I've told this story to people who know me personally so I won't post too much info publicly. I'm not a fan of oversharing.

[FredMoore]

" Several years back I actually met online, and three hours later after a few drinks downtown had in my bed a genuine virgin (grad student). Her hymen was still so thick you couldn't get a finger past it without ripping her cherry open" . JL.

So JL, are you going to keep us waiting? Did you pop that cherry? Tell us about it. Pain? Suffering? Blood everywhere? Or did you activate your extreme mojo to anesthetize her to accomplish the deed?

Virgins are actually a big responsibility to get them acclimated to the sex world in a positive way. It is our duty! Hoo Rah!

[HollywoodGuy]

Been on four dates so far. She hasn't logged on to the SD site since I met her. So far so good.

[JZLizard]

The girls I am refering to can't achieve their full sexual potential without these dynamics. The true submissive SB's I speak of are not role playing. It's more of a lifestyle. The UTR's are role playing sometimes to earn their fee and the hope of a repeat visit. I even started using this with my MILF and I would say our intensity level went up at least a third to 50%. And that was after 2 years of being together.

The BDSM community probably has a different definition of role playing than I do, and perhaps mine isn't correct, but to me if she's calling someone daddy that is not in fact her father, that's role playing rather than reality.

[HollywoodGuy]

There used to be girls who wouldn't fuck just because there was a stigma around fucking if you weren't in a serious relationship.

The girls I am refering to can't achieve their full sexual potential without these dynamics. The true submissive SB's I speak of are not role playing. It's more of a lifestyle. The UTR's are role playing sometimes to earn their fee and the hope of a repeat visit. I even started using this with my MILF and I would say our intensity level went up at least a third to 50%. And that was after 2 years of being together.

[JZLizard]

I ask every girl if she is going to be a good girl for daddy while we are in bed.

Good Girl. These girls only have one daddy (usually). They do what they are told in bed. They want daddy's approval, and actually need it to be content and satisfied in and out of the bedroom. A good UTR will play along (in bed only) but it actually does enhance the experience for both partners. There are what they call sammi's (look it up). I just don't have any of those right now. Although it could be fun.

Bad Girl. Have multiple daddies. Don't do what they are told. And really don't need daddy's approval to be happy. And don't really want a daddy. They may want a sugar daddy. But not a loving dominant daddy.

At this point in the bowl I only want good girls that need daddy's approval, and have full trust in him, so they can be the naughty little princesses they aspire to be. Something they all fantasize about and that no guy under maybe 50 could accomplish. As age is just as important as attitude.

Heh. Yeah but I see that as good and bad in the role playing sense. In that case they can be whatever they choose to be (or daddy wants them to be) that day like someone can be Spiderman at those comic conventions if they want. It's like putting on a costume. When I said there's no good and bad anymore, I just meant in the sense of the previous poster's comment. There used to be girls who wouldn't fuck just because there was a stigma around fucking if you weren't in a serious relationship. I haven't even heard of one of those in a long time.

Several years back I actually met online, and three hours later after a few drinks downtown had in my bed a genuine virgin (grad student). Her hymen was still so thick you couldn't get a finger past it without ripping her cherry open. Yet, despite being extremely cute, she had not been fucked yet -- and she jumped into bed with a guy she met on the Internet just that day. It's not that she was unwilling or saving it for marriage, she just had not yet encountered someone with the "salesmanship" to get her into bed yet (me). I don't even know what the odds are of a nice looking girl making it into her 20's with her virginity in tact these days, but the fact that when a unicorn is found, that they will climb into bed with someone they just met that day says a lot about the upper-end of possibilities of todays "good girl". A dying breed for the most part.