"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FredMoore]

Interesting to see this from the other side. I consider myself UTR and not SB. I have 1 that I see about 4 times a month for $$$ each time, regardless of whether it is an hour or 3 hours or overnight. BUT I also see other people here and there as well. Most of them repeats, but not what I would classify a "regular" thing. Personally, if I found another 2 regulars I'd not see anyone else.

Truth in advertising is good Curiosit! Many SBs we all see are UTR and we just don't know that they are seeing others. I would rather know and make the decision whether I am OK with that or not. I like a nice blend between naivte and skill. I like to feel like I can show my SB something that she has not had in the same way before.

[Latex]

Having fully explored the monger hobby for about 15 years, I quit about 10 years ago for various reasons. Recently I discovered the Sugar Bowl, and after spending about 10 hours reading this forum I decided to participate about 4 weeks ago.

My experience thus far:

I opened a account on SA, created a introductory email template and emailed about 50 SB based on location and recent profiles, and received about 6 responses and was able to schedule 2 M&Gs.

M&G 1: 30 years old MILF that is recently divorced and in my book a solid 8/8, she was very open about her life and told me that she had a SD for 4 months that recently ended. We mutually decided to meet again at a hotel in a few days. After the M&G we texted back and forth and she mentioned the financials, I asked her how the last arrangement worked. She informed me that she met about 4 times per month and financial assistance ranged around $$$ per meeting. We met at a hotel had a few drinks and fun for 3 hours, the total damage was about $$ including hotel drinks and M&G cost.

M&G 2: 26 year old college girl who also recently lost her SD. I rated her about 6/7 but her personality was not to my liking. A bit to hyper. She is looking for someone to pay her rent and expenses of $1200 per month. I politely ended the meeting and via email told her I had found someone already.

POT 1: Apparently she is new to SA, and wants to discuss my budget before we have a M&G. She claims to have multiple SD offers but all below her expectations. I respond with 1 K per month budget, haven't hear back yet.

My initial observations is that the Sugar bowl: Consumes a considerable amount of time, lots of SBs having high expectations, the responses from UTR girls seem to be easier to get.

I will post a list of questions and observations soon.

[FredMoore]

Now that I am restricted as to time and money I have gotten blunter and more creative.

My new SB #1 is Asian and very naive sexually. I rocked her world on the FC visit. I hit her with a low monthly allowance and she is OK with 4 + meets / month. So the key to securing a lower price is the emotional involvement. If you have an inexperienced girl and open her eyes (and vagina) to new wonders she will want to see you at almost any price. I am giving her an experience of a lifetime that she will have a hard time beating. In a way it will spoil her for a normal horny 20 something who busts a nutt in 4 strokes. But that is a value all of us give our young girls.

Pot # 2 is a 20 + yr old White 7/9/? . She needs money and when asked what her expectations are she said $ 3 to 500 . I countered $ and she agreed. So asking price doesn't always mean anything. I will have to get a Roach motel for the deed at another $50 ,but she looks delicious.

Pot #1 is super hot and ready to go to the FC and told me to give her whatever??

FB is back and will go to the FC for a quickie. But there is value in getting a nutt inside a slim tight baby. There is no emotional connection so she is just an UTR I guess.

[HollywoodGuy]

I have tried the SD thing over the years with very little success, but things may have taken a turn recently. I live in a college town (Richmond) and love college age girls but ever since I left the bar business getting college aged girls had been tough. Recently I decided to give SD4 M another try and sent out about 30 emails to girls within 10 miles of my zip code. Looking over the selection, I was very surprised at the number of Asian girls and really good looking white girls (8+ on the scale) in my area. Even more surprising was the 11 fast replies. I booked all 11 for M&Gs and 8 showed; I haven't even bothered to call the no-shows. 3 of the M&Gs turned into motorcycle rides and 1 stayed over. The sex was just Ok that evening but the morning session was a whole different thing. I'm 46 and she's 20. I think she tried to kill me. At this point she is the only one that I've come to a standing arrangement with; her need is very modest (300/ month) with 4 overnights a month and any extra dates include sex- lets call her Tall1. She's 5'11 slender w brown hair and grey / blue eyes. She looks very much like Pippa Middleton but taller. Two days later "The Short1" texted to see if I could take her to dinner; I said "yes, but I'm more horney than hungry, what do you think?" She replied with "I love to fuck after a few drinks and I wouldn't have called if I didn't know the deal". I LOVE broke college girls. She's 22,5'0 blonde w green eyes and built like a cheerleader. She's starting grad school this fall and looking for 1 or 2 SDs to make that easier. We didn't come to a deal but we stayed in a boutique hotel downtown and fucked like it was our job. It was an expensive evening between the room, dinner and many drinks but she was great fun. I have a date with "The Asian1" this weekend and she has already mentioned her friend (another Korean 18 yo) wanted to "hangout" too. God help me and pass the viagra.

This is how its done. Rack up those numbers. If you have the quantity some quality will be in there. And no one says you have to go on a bad date twice. Outside of sticking to whatever your demographic is, there is really now way to predict chemistry and performance. We all wish their performance was tied to their looks, it would make life a lot easier. The date I had monday looked a lot sexier to me after we did it than before.

[HollywoodGuy]

I think her suggesting this is a SB credit check. Just don't know if I want to pass.

Every girl has the bar set at some level. I would still try to see her but just redirect the M&G to a different venue. If you are that attracted to her.

[HollywoodGuy]

"Hook up" is pretty unambiguous, and I think "hang out" is pretty much the next step down on the euphemism scale for "these kids today!

Hooking up is having sex. Some kind of sex. Hanging out can mean no sex. But some SB's as has been discussed here, don't just want to only hook up. If they can't hang out with you they don't want to have sex with you. I am the hangout type with some girls. But only want to hook up with others. So knowing what the possibilities are beyond that, is always helpful.

[Tidad]

I have tried the SD thing over the years with very little success, but things may have taken a turn recently. I live in a college town (Richmond) and love college age girls but ever since I left the bar business getting college aged girls had been tough. Recently I decided to give SD4 M another try and sent out about 30 emails to girls within 10 miles of my zip code. Looking over the selection, I was very surprised at the number of Asian girls and really good looking white girls (8+ on the scale) in my area. Even more surprising was the 11 fast replies. I booked all 11 for M&Gs and 8 showed; I haven't even bothered to call the no-shows. 3 of the M&Gs turned into motorcycle rides and 1 stayed over. The sex was just Ok that evening but the morning session was a whole different thing. I'm 46 and she's 20. I think she tried to kill me. At this point she is the only one that I've come to a standing arrangement with; her need is very modest (300/ month) with 4 overnights a month and any extra dates include sex- lets call her Tall1. She's 5'11 slender w brown hair and grey / blue eyes. She looks very much like Pippa Middleton but taller. Two days later "The Short1" texted to see if I could take her to dinner; I said "yes, but I'm more horney than hungry, what do you think?" She replied with "I love to fuck after a few drinks and I wouldn't have called if I didn't know the deal". I LOVE broke college girls. She's 22,5'0 blonde w green eyes and built like a cheerleader. She's starting grad school this fall and looking for 1 or 2 SDs to make that easier. We didn't come to a deal but we stayed in a boutique hotel downtown and fucked like it was our job. It was an expensive evening between the room, dinner and many drinks but she was great fun. I have a date with "The Asian1" this weekend and she has already mentioned her friend (another Korean 18 yo) wanted to "hangout" too. God help me and pass the viagra.

[Dsprdo]

But skip the 60 dollar steaks on a first date. Most girls would rather have the cash anyway unless it all about just wining and dining.

I think her suggesting this is a SB credit check. Just don't know if I want to pass.

[Dsprdo]

I love when they say they just want to hang out.

"Hook up" is pretty unambiguous, and I think "hang out" is pretty much the next step down on the euphemism scale for "these kids today!

[HollywoodGuy]

Been texting with a 29 yo latina part time underwear model. 9/9/9. She has been a good communicator and didn't seem GPS. We finally set up a meet, dinner on Saturday night. She lives about a half hour from me so I asked her to pick a place near her. This has worked out in the past, usually they pick someplace less expensive than I would have. She picked a very high end steak house (talking $60 entrees). I actually like hitting those places once in a while and wouldn't have a problem with taking an established SB but was taken back by that as a M&G. Does the combined wisdom say this a harbinger of her tastes and expectations for all things sugar? I am thinking about ditching her because I don't need the headache and don't plan to commit a major chunk of the sugar budget to one girl.

Helping to nudge me in that direction is the fact that I too seem to be in an "up" period for SB's. Met the girl who flaked on me Sunday night last night for dinner. We have confirmed a FC visit for Friday. Have a M&G tonight with a 29 yo blond 8/8, tattooed, harley riding MILF whose pics look like she should be on the cover of a bike magazine. She has had a SD before and appears ready to go if we agree on sugar. I'm canceling a previously scheduled meet with my regular SB tomorrow (she was just over yesterday) in order to have lunch with a 20 yo first timer, 7/8, white, long brown hair. She has agreed in principle to come back to my place to "hang out" after lunch if we connect. Then I have dinner tomorrow night with a 24 yo latina nursing student / MILF, 7/9, who also says she is new to this but is completely okay with the idea. If I close even 2 of the 4 (and one seems a done deal); then I won't have time, funds, or energy for the UW model. But she is sooo hot!

What say you?

I love when they say they just want to hang out. But skip the 60 dollar steaks on a first date. Most girls would rather have the cash anyway unless it all about just wining and dining. I always say lets just meet at starbucks.

[LandonR]

Been texting with a 29 yo latina part time underwear model. 9/9/9. She has been a good communicator and didn't seem GPS. We finally set up a meet, dinner on Saturday night. She lives about a half hour from me so I asked her to pick a place near her. This has worked out in the past, usually they pick someplace less expensive than I would have. She picked a very high end steak house (talking $60 entrees). I actually like hitting those places once in a while and wouldn't have a problem with taking an established SB but was taken back by that as a M&G. Does the combined wisdom say this a harbinger of her tastes and expectations for all things sugar? I am thinking about ditching her because I don't need the headache and don't plan to commit a major chunk of the sugar budget to one girl.

Helping to nudge me in that direction is the fact that I too seem to be in an "up" period for SB's. Met the girl who flaked on me Sunday night last night for dinner. We have confirmed a FC visit for Friday. Have a M&G tonight with a 29 yo blond 8/8, tattooed, harley riding MILF whose pics look like she should be on the cover of a bike magazine. She has had a SD before and appears ready to go if we agree on sugar. I'm canceling a previously scheduled meet with my regular SB tomorrow (she was just over yesterday) in order to have lunch with a 20 yo first timer, 7/8, white, long brown hair. She has agreed in principle to come back to my place to "hang out" after lunch if we connect. Then I have dinner tomorrow night with a 24 yo latina nursing student / MILF, 7/9, who also says she is new to this but is completely okay with the idea. If I close even 2 of the 4 (and one seems a done deal); then I won't have time, funds, or energy for the UW model. But she is sooo hot!

What say you?

I might be thinking with the small head for you, but the UW model sounds hot! I think I'd take her to the fancy steak house. Tell her you had a late lunch and aren't hungry so just order a small app or some drinks. Keep the bill under $100 and get down to bizness!

[Dsprdo]

Been texting with a 29 yo latina part time underwear model. 9/9/9. She has been a good communicator and didn't seem GPS. We finally set up a meet, dinner on Saturday night. She lives about a half hour from me so I asked her to pick a place near her. This has worked out in the past, usually they pick someplace less expensive than I would have. She picked a very high end steak house (talking $60 entrees). I actually like hitting those places once in a while and wouldn't have a problem with taking an established SB but was taken back by that as a M&G. Does the combined wisdom say this a harbinger of her tastes and expectations for all things sugar? I am thinking about ditching her because I don't need the headache and don't plan to commit a major chunk of the sugar budget to one girl.

Helping to nudge me in that direction is the fact that I too seem to be in an "up" period for SB's. Met the girl who flaked on me Sunday night last night for dinner. We have confirmed a FC visit for Friday. Have a M&G tonight with a 29 yo blond 8/8, tattooed, harley riding MILF whose pics look like she should be on the cover of a bike magazine. She has had a SD before and appears ready to go if we agree on sugar. I'm canceling a previously scheduled meet with my regular SB tomorrow (she was just over yesterday) in order to have lunch with a 20 yo first timer, 7/8, white, long brown hair. She has agreed in principle to come back to my place to "hang out" after lunch if we connect. Then I have dinner tomorrow night with a 24 yo latina nursing student / MILF, 7/9, who also says she is new to this but is completely okay with the idea. If I close even 2 of the 4 (and one seems a done deal); then I won't have time, funds, or energy for the UW model. But she is sooo hot!

What say you?

[Member #5055]

We await with baited breath!! Welcome back my friend.

Hello my brothers!

I am glad to be once again among the land of the living. A quick scan of the clubhouse journal shows me many, many new names, a few old familiars, and plenty of exploits to catch up on. I will file a full report in the next few days or so, but suffice it to say that I have been dealing with health, marital and financial stresses, any one of which would have been enough to knock me out for good, but it is a testament to the power of the Bowl that I rallied, got my shit together, and am feeling optimistic about hearing the soft yet unmistakable sound of panties hitting the floor again soon!

For those of you new Brothers who don't know me, welcome and glad to meet you. Hopefully you have learned from the considerable collective wisdom that is contained in these pages, and are enjoying this most woderful and elevated of hobbies. Please keep in mind the injunction of our founder, Literal2, which is "do no harm. " These little fish are gentle creatures, if your are casting to the right ones, and should be treated as such. Banging a battle-weary war horse, no matter how much lipstick she has on, is nothing to brag about, in my opinion. For all my old friends, I hope you have saved me a spot at the table, and want to assure you that I am back from the dead, (almost literally), and am eager to read of your exploits. I have a few interesting anecdotes, but not much in the way of new exploits, except I'm pretty sure I'm a baby-daddy (how's that for a tease? More later).

Peace to you all.

Scott.

[HollywoodGuy]

Nice tight body! Looks like a sleep over FB. A good trade is a place to crash in return for unlimited sex.

It is virtually raining pussy in my area. Every time I get bummed out when the new applicant pool is low the response before long is overwhelming. So much pussy so little time and money. I wish I were rich again! 5 nights / week is not unrealistic. Girls with low paying jobs are in need of a cash infusion.

Definitely off the charts here. I am turning down pussy left and right. Mostly pros and UTR's. Trying to just get with the real SB's. And there are a lot of those. L. A. Gets a large influx of out of towners during the summer as well.

[FredMoore]

I have written previously about this POT. Answered a CL ad, 22 year old And very skittish back in October. But kept engaged through her various drama events. Tried several different approaches to close the deal but other than a quick BJ in May nothing worked. Well at least I was getting somewhere but otherwise no in person contact. She has been broken up with boyfriend and been staying "with friends". So last night get a "I need a place to stay tonight" and some back and forth "what do you expect" Of course I expect you to be appreciative. Well her stunning personality is not her best trait, but it's the tight and wettest puntang I have ever experienced.

Drove her to work this am and now headed out of town. Have no idea if there will be a repeat but at least there was a first time. Keep the faith Attachment 330764Attachment 330764.

Nice tight body! Looks like a sleep over FB. A good trade is a place to crash in return for unlimited sex.

It is virtually raining pussy in my area. Every time I get bummed out when the new applicant pool is low the response before long is overwhelming. So much pussy so little time and money. I wish I were rich again! 5 nights / week is not unrealistic. Girls with low paying jobs are in need of a cash infusion.