"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[ThirdCoaster]

I went to the SD school of hard knocks. No brothers. No forum. Just golddiggers, pros and some good luck as time went on. I may have an mba in sugar dating, but I paid for it. Also I have always focused my CL and SD ads more on sexual fantasy than wine and dine or big money talk. Started out doing that pre-sugar dating on the civi sites. But these girls are much prettier and younger. Although looking back the civi daters were all pretty dirty in the FC. Even bagged a pro for free for months just appealing to her need for some killer sex.

Thinking about it now, maybe I will try POF just to see what happens. Some things never change. I will report back if anything positive happens.

What would be some good examples of an ad based on fantasy? I'm curious.

[SkinJr]

So yesterday the 22 year old Latina spinner (with big tits) responded to my apology as I detailed previously. So I send her a message back and I decide to use some courting language. I tell that I did actually like her and I thought she was sweet and nice. And that I loved listening to her accent and would love to buy her lunch anytime and just talk.

The rest of the day goes by with no response. I wake up this morning and I've got a text from her from midnight last night. She says "sorry so late but you threw me off with those texts. But like you said you were upset from work I guess".

I text her this morning apologizing again and tell her I would like to be a friend no matter what, that I did like her. And I would like to buy her lunch one day. Waiting...

I do agree with a previous poster. I think her deleting her SA account is a good thing for me. I just got to keep working her if she will keep texting. We did actually hit it off and I'm a good looking guy with some southern charm. If she meets me for lunch or something, I'm trying to decide on what to give her. I kind of hate to give her cash and reinforce the P word. I'm thinking maybe a vanilla card with credits as a gift for school.

Any thoughts?

Also, I'm running into a problem. I can't get to all the girls I've been talking to and it seems like many are dropping me cause I can't show up. Kind of like they think I'm full of shit and I'm just wasting their time for photos and shit. Any advice on how to set the hook?

Skin.

[GeorgeRichmond]

I re-upped on SA and sent out maybe 15 Emails to the top 15 girls on my demographic list. Got 10 emails in my box this AM. Now I'm like "oh shit " ! I'm going to pull a Hollywood and float the $ offer out there for an "intimate and exciting " experience. At my former offer of $$.5 it is a no brainer . I see 3 possibilities in the bunch and they are the 7/8 s sounding a little desperate with banging bods (always). The 8.5 + hotties are not going to go for the FC visit. I can't date in my area so I pretty much have to go straight to the FC. My letter will have to be good.

FredMoore: Keep us posted. I had same experience.but after couple of email exchange...it became quite with 2-3 M&G for me...resulting in 1 success. Would love to know more about offer letters...how can we go straight to the court. May be it is final exam time...for SBs...don't know.! I have found a decent one after few M&Gs! Will post my experience soon.

[FredMoore]

I re-upped on SA and sent out maybe 15 Emails to the top 15 girls on my demographic list. Got 10 emails in my box this AM. Now I'm like "oh shit " ! I'm going to pull a Hollywood and float the $ offer out there for an "intimate and exciting " experience. At my former offer of $$.5 it is a no brainer . I see 3 possibilities in the bunch and they are the 7/8 s sounding a little desperate with banging bods (always). The 8.5 + hotties are not going to go for the FC visit. I can't date in my area so I pretty much have to go straight to the FC. My letter will have to be good.

[HollywoodGuy]

One thing I am beginning to and tonite had reinforced to me yet again. Is that endless txting and messaging is a waste of time. The girls that just say yes and are down to meet asap are the ones that always work out. The ones that question me to death or want to talk about I don't know what are a waste of time. My offer is crystal clear. All 3 girls on my A team were DTF on the first date. And we have been loyal to each other ever since. This shit is not rocket science.

I got so frustrated with this girl tonite I started cruising myredbook. Interesting site. Picked one out for the coming week if I can get the time. LOL

Its amazing to me that some girls would hang out with you for hours and even multiple days to get you to spend a $ if you allow it. But they could be up that $ in an hour, No muss no fuss.

I just got the "isn't that prostitution" question. I mean I really don't have time for this. This is why the sexual fantasy is so important, or just girls that dont put a lot of pressure on hooking up with a guy they are attracted to. Does anyone read whats supposedly going on on campus these days. Its headlines in my hometown paper.

The "hookup culture" is everywhere. No they are not hooking up with 60 year olds as a rule, I understand that. But in our world they do.

[HollywoodGuy]

I've never been into black girls and have always enjoyed the latinas. For them, I'd also add the Long Beach area and have had some decent experience with them in the Riverside area.

But you're definitely right about the white girls and the asians. Luckily there's no shortage of latinas here in socal.

I have not really struck paydirt with the latinas. The white latinas I call them are just like white girls. And the really hot tanned ones I just can't seem to connect with. Not like I have never been with one, just never made a go of it. And I try. The mixed white and latina I had a date with a few weeks ago was in heaven during our time together. No one is faking 90 minutes of pleasure for a $. And bam, she is gone. I actually persued a really hot spinner a year or so ago. She said I was a man h o. I don't think I have what they are looking for. I am more hipster (jeans, tshirts and allstars) less debonaire type. No suits and wining and dining. So maybe that's it.

[Dolato]

SB, highland, ontario. I had some bad experience with riverside, but yeah. Some of the best girls I had in the past were from there. And they drove to me. Just one good one is all I need. The train is .25 RT. If I ever have to move that's where I am going. Pussy Paradise out there for sure. It's pretty much unlimited at $. Obviously hollywood, the westside and southbay or even OC are always gonna be more. The SFV is sort of a joke, those girls have very little game. Also pasadena to asuza, SGV has girls. But most of the affordable girls in L.A. are south central, inglewood, hawthorne. Areas i have and do go to, but try to stay away from.

And thats just for the black and mixed girls, meaning they got some black in them. For latinas, anywhere near el monte, pomona or downey. And the only white girls locally at a $ are all addicted. Asians at a $ would be but ugly.

So all you guys traveling here take notes.

I've never been into black girls and have always enjoyed the latinas. For them, I'd also add the Long Beach area and have had some decent experience with them in the Riverside area.

But you're definitely right about the white girls and the asians. Luckily there's no shortage of latinas here in socal.

[HollywoodGuy]

Someone mentioned that things should pick up once school's out and I hope that's true. It does seem like there aren't as many new worthy profiles popping up everyday like there used to be.

I'm thinking that you're venturing out to the IE and Riverside now. Hope the drives are worth it for you.

SB, highland, ontario. I had some bad experience with riverside, but yeah. Some of the best girls I had in the past were from there. And they drove to me. Just one good one is all I need. The train is .25 RT. If I ever have to move that's where I am going. Pussy Paradise out there for sure. It's pretty much unlimited at $. Obviously hollywood, the westside and southbay or even OC are always gonna be more. The SFV is sort of a joke, those girls have very little game. Also pasadena to asuza, SGV has girls. But most of the affordable girls in L.A. are south central, inglewood, hawthorne. Areas i have and do go to, but try to stay away from.

And thats just for the black and mixed girls, meaning they got some black in them. For latinas, anywhere near el monte, pomona or downey. And the only white girls locally at a $ are all addicted. Asians at a $ would be but ugly.

So all you guys traveling here take notes.

[Dolato]

I had to pass on a chill utr girl today due to work. Now I am txting a couple real beauties that both live far away (which I hate) but my demographic is so tight that I only see about one new pot a day with a new profile within 60 miles of me. Knowing I would be lucky to score 1 a week for a date I have to break down a little and be willing to travel. One of the girls I met recently (the jamaican princess) is so sexy (a closet utr girl), but she claims to have a bf is is keeping it totally professional. Too bad because she really is sexy and interesting but not willing to step it up past a 1 hour session. And only within some somewhat restrictive time frames.

The only thing that would increase my chances is spending more, which I can't do. A brother on another thread pm-ed me about a hot little spinner which is awesome but she is a pro. I will see her, but I hate seeing girls I might actually like but can never really have.

Many a tear has to fall, But it's all in the game.

Someone mentioned that things should pick up once school's out and I hope that's true. It does seem like there aren't as many new worthy profiles popping up everyday like there used to be.

I'm thinking that you're venturing out to the IE and Riverside now. Hope the drives are worth it for you.

[HollywoodGuy]

I had to pass on a chill utr girl today due to work. Now I am txting a couple real beauties that both live far away (which I hate) but my demographic is so tight that I only see about one new pot a day with a new profile within 60 miles of me. Knowing I would be lucky to score 1 a week for a date I have to break down a little and be willing to travel. One of the girls I met recently (the jamaican princess) is so sexy (a closet utr girl), but she claims to have a bf is is keeping it totally professional. Too bad because she really is sexy and interesting but not willing to step it up past a 1 hour session. And only within some somewhat restrictive time frames.

The only thing that would increase my chances is spending more, which I can't do. A brother on another thread pm-ed me about a hot little spinner which is awesome but she is a pro. I will see her, but I hate seeing girls I might actually like but can never really have.

Many a tear has to fall, But it's all in the game.

[Dolato]

I've been beating myself up. I shouldn't have hit her with the truth so much and so brutal. I should have worked her some.

If she's deleted the account, then that means she's shut out any other guys from contacting her. If she's still replying back to your text then I think that's a good sign.

Smart move about offering the safe nsa lunch and if you pass the creep test then she may warm up to the idea again.

Depending on what's on your plate and who else is in the pipeline, it may be worth the learning experience to stretch this out a little longer.

I'm sure many others on this board would disagree, but if I was in your situation and I could get her to the lunch, I'd also throw in a $ into her hand / pocket / bag at the very end.

I'd avoid the topic of sugar, but let her tell her life story and I'm sure she'll share what led her to looking for a SD in the first place. Showing her how normal I am and how "generous" I can be may be enough to break the ice.

If not, it'd be a $+lunch learning experience and a story to tell.

This goes against the numbers game and moving on to the next, but sometimes it's fun to mix things up.

[Golfcart]

So I hit the 22 year old Latina spinner with the blunt truth after she propositioned me with the 1 k needed for one visit. Some time goes by and I text her "I guess this means you are not interested" since she hadn't replied.

Two hours later she replies that she hasn't done this much and this isn't what she was used to getting, but she would see me the next day. Haha.

But, alas, it wasn't meant to be. Four hours later she texts me telling me she was a good girl and she was too pretty to be fucking random dudes for money and she didn't know why she came to see me. So I say ok.

This morning I text her and tell her I had a bad day at office yesterday and took some of my frustration out on her and I apologize for my language. She replies it's okay.

I check on SA and her account has been deleted. I text her that I really liked her and would still like to buy her lunch. Every thing would be innocent. No word yet.

I've been beating myself up. I shouldn't have hit her with the truth so much and so brutal. I should have worked her some.

She's already struggling with the "P" word. Telling her she is overpriced is telling her she is a cheap "P." It's much better to go dark.

[SkinJr]

So I hit the 22 year old Latina spinner with the blunt truth after she propositioned me with the 1 k needed for one visit. Some time goes by and I text her "I guess this means you are not interested" since she hadn't replied.

Two hours later she replies that she hasn't done this much and this isn't what she was used to getting, but she would see me the next day. Haha.

But, alas, it wasn't meant to be. Four hours later she texts me telling me she was a good girl and she was too pretty to be fucking random dudes for money and she didn't know why she came to see me. So I say ok.

This morning I text her and tell her I had a bad day at office yesterday and took some of my frustration out on her and I apologize for my language. She replies it's okay.

I check on SA and her account has been deleted. I text her that I really liked her and would still like to buy her lunch. Every thing would be innocent. No word yet.

I've been beating myself up. I shouldn't have hit her with the truth so much and so brutal. I should have worked her some.

[HollywoodGuy]

Focusing ads on the sexual fantasy is actually a really good angle. It seems almost counter-intuitive that this would produce as many bites as it does, but from the girls perspective it actually helps her justify what she's doing somewhat (it's only playing around, it's not real, so no need for her to evaluate whether she should be doing it or not from the moral perspective).

There is an entirely different category of SB, though, that is less able to disassociate their real self with sexual play. Some of them are just genuinely attracted to moderate to high-income older guys and see the SD sites as a good place to find their next boyfriend.

For those lucky enough to live in a metro area of around 5 million or more, there's probably enough volume of both types to support bulk mailing them with either approach, and still getting enough bites to keep a person busy. Those like me have to span multiple cities just to even reach that many girls, and even then the collective volume doesn't produce the same results as big cities, because the entire vibe of sexual openness changes for the girl once you put her in a closer knit environment where she feels less anonymous, more noticed and less absorbed by the big city glamour. The other bad part about finding girls in other cities is that many of them see you're not close by and see it as too much trouble / waste of time. I try to help with that by explaining early in my contact mail that I can come to them no problem. It's also a lot of work to search multiple cities and juggle custom searches for each city.

The thing is, I just don't have time to waste. I have a few special needs in the sex dept and I am only interested in girls with similar needs. Those needs sometimes create a special bond that can turn into something more. And I like to start out on the same page. Of course there are girls that just don't think hooking up is a big deal. And they can also lead to one night stands. My super hot latina NP score from a few weeks ago. Long gone. I know her desire for a certain sex act is way too strong for her to ignore. She is probably just giving it away for free to some lucky young guy, now that I showed her how awesome it could be in general.

NP's are drawn to these fantasies and I love to be the first guy to give it to them. But if I only waited to be the first I could have some dry spells. So I continue to go from pro to NP and the many shades in between. Even after a year my ATF gets to experience something new on a regular basis as she was practically a virgin when i met her. Women are actually far kinkier than men in general and love a guy that can get them relaxed enough to let loose. This is why I love the $ date. At that price no girl is going to do anything kinky (or maybe even have vanilla sex) unless there is a physical attraction. I am sure I could get any girl to do anything for $$$. No real thrill in that. This is a generalization overall. Maybe an 80/20 rule.

Some of these may be voyeurism, older/younger, fetishes, rape fantasies, S/m, bondage, bi, and the list goes on. I always try to make this a part of any first date to stand out from the crowd. One reason I mostly date 18 to 22. At that age what they may lack in experience they more than make up for in curiosity. If they are older they may (and i repeat may) have already tried a lot of things. The upside is if they have and they are into it, then their skill level will be higher. The other upside is if you are hitting up older girls, they may already know if they like or dislike a certain scene and just pass you by if they don't. So no time wasted. And they would never do something they didn't like for $. At $$$ you will never know whether it was you or the cash they liked better.

More 80/20 on the $ rule. There is the chance they just dont know they can get paid more or they are just desperate for cash right now. But I am assuming the guys on this thread are looking for more than just cheap pussy and are hoping for an emotion connection even if it is only a fantasy while doing the deed.

[HollywoodGuy]

Again you rock brother! You are the Microsoft of Sugaring.

Check out christophe 1 on the L.A. Threads. Not so much a sugar guy. But if you read all his posts there is some very valuable info.