The Massholes

[Smoke Screen]

I find it strange that the two of you are so adamant about getting members to post details of their visits, when both of you together have 3 average reviews since the beginning of this year. Seems like you want others to share but you're not willing to.

[Statman]

The majority of these girls couldn't make an advertisement if their life depended on it. Most are handled by their manager who can read & write English and sends the ad in. The girls don't "put themselves out there by advertising in multiple places, many times per day" They are only doing what they are told to do, they have no choice and nowhere else to go.

Giving good service, sucking the skin off a rod, like a vacuum cleaner, and allowing to be drilled, like you are a site being fracked for oil in North Dakota, is all the advertising you need, and is cheaper and more effective than advertising. Word of mouth is the best advertising, period.

[Smoke Screen]

The bottom line is that the provider has put them selves out there by advertising and most advertise in multiple places many times per day, not very DISCREET. And as stated before even a review with the following "I left happy" or "PM for details" still tips off LE. I am sure LE does not distinguish between a provider who provides GFE or a hand job when they decide to make a bust.

The majority of these girls couldn't make an advertisement if their life depended on it. Most are handled by their manager who can read & write English and sends the ad in. The girls don't "put themselves out there by advertising in multiple places, many times per day" They are only doing what they are told to do, they have no choice and nowhere else to go.

[Smoke Screen]

I know of all the closings in MW. Only one was caused by LEO and it was due to a complaint from a worker. And they reopened. Unless you count the Milford place about a year ago. Lack of business caused the other closings. Expect more closings due to silence on this board. I have always given limited info and been criticized for it. Not posting at all is not the solution.

No offence, but I never expected you nor a few others to agree with me, you asked the question and I gave my answer. Some will agree with me, some won't, I really don't care.

[Yellowfever023]

The bottom line is that the provider has put them selves out there by advertising and most advertise in multiple places many times per day, not very DISCREET. And as stated before even a review with the following "I left happy" or "PM for details" still tips off LE. I am sure LE does not distinguish between a provider who provides GFE or a hand job when they decide to make a bust.

[SpermSac]

[Yellowfever023]

A few years ago, I went to an AMP in North Attleboro and reviewed it on another board that is now defunct. Later, I read in the local paper that it was busted. The police actually quoted lines from one of my reviews to the reporter.

Did my review cause the police to shut down the AMP? Who knows? But I can imagine a detective showing my review to the captain as justification for resources to stake out the place.

I'm not active in the hobby much now, but when I do, I try to do a review. But it's brief, missing all the exciting details I used to like to share.

I remember one of you who once said a review should include "Is she the chick in the pics, what does she do, does she do it well, what did it cost, and would you see her again". Word.

Moby.

Moby, I appreciate your response but if you look at the number of visits made to providers and the number of reviews posted I would expect that every provider in the area would have been busted by now. My theory on your scenario is that a local do gooder or neighboring business complained to LE first and it was not info from the forum that prompted the investigation and eventual bust.

[Yardape08]

We don't need Admin to tell us what the reasoning behind the forum is. We all know and can read the FAQ's. The fact remains that some simply do not know the meaning of the word DISCREET and how to apply it. To much information brings to much attention. That's a FACT!

As I read the various post what I find is those that can be discreet and those that have the need to spread the intimate details of their conquest. I am more apt to answere a PM from one who can demonstrate being discreet than one posting intimate details of a visit. It serves NO purpose. I choose to respect my providers need for being discreet just as they respect mine.

Yardape08 do you think for a second that LEO doesn't read these posts? Have you ever talked to a provider on the subject of why they went completely UTR after a LEO scare or worse a bust? How would you like it if the provider posted a review on your visit and intimate details on you?

It's called being DISCREET not breaking any rules.

You're missing the point. Nowhere in the forum rules or guidelines does it state reviews have to be discreet. That is your opinion on how a review should be written. As far as LEO reading these posts you are not fooling him by saying pm me for details especially for a site that is titled "USASexGuide". Also RTFF is rendered pretty much obsolete as if one reads back to gather information and all they see is a continuous trail of "pm me for details" any historical data is pretty non-existent. It is certainly your right not to post details. And it is most certainly LMAO's right to include any details he desires. YF is right if the forum becomes a pm venue then it doesn't need to exist in its current format as you guys can simply email each other on the side. As far as providers posting details about us what kind of childish argument is that? We are the customers which is often forgotten here. Reviews are customer based whether in this industry or any other business. Good luck to a provider who started reviewing us. See how long she would last. Personally I am always respectful towards the ladies however as the customer I am always looking for the Highest level of service for the best value. LMAO's post did not break any rules and he was slammed from all sides. I agree with what Skatar laid out as far as letting each poster review the way he sees fit and will pledge to adhere to it however if I see a new poster getting bullied I will jump in whenever I see fit.

[Yellowfever023]

So by your comment it looks like you think LE has no interest in reading these posts.

I do think that LE reads this and other review forums. My point is that posting details here does not matter in the least. If the info is not posted here it will be posted somewhere else, and again the fact that these providers advertise there services openly on the internet gives LE all they need to go after them. LE can't bust a provider from what is written here they have to catch her in the act so all they have to do is look up an ad call the number and set an appointment. What is the difference between a one of us writing a detailed review or the provider advertising? LE knows from the ad that the girl is providing illegal services. LE does not need this forum to identify and bust a provider.

[Member #5037]

I agree with you SS & think many others do also, but I feel the same about all the sections, BackPage Advertiser Reviews, Non-Asian Massage Parlor Reports, Escort Reports, Craigslist Advertiser Reviews, Strip Club Reports, etc.

The posts as you say should having something to do with the topic of that board, a review, info or intel, one's experiences in that particular hobby, etc.

This is only a suggestion so please don't anyone take this wrong & think that I am trying to tell anyone what to post where, I'm not, it's my own (& perhaps others) belief of what I should be posting, & yes I am more than guilty of posting my share of bullshit & clogging up the boards, (so are we all).

We do have the off topic & General report sections, but they lack the general atmosphere of it's ok to kick someone in the nuts without the concern of being flagged & given a point by Admin that a Thunderdome or Octagon brings.

Then again it's a double edge sword & has the potential of making enemies out of friends & vise versa.

I've asked Admin for a Massholes board twice, perhaps if others join in asking he may yet give what is asked for, that is if there is enough interest, if so ask him as he seems to be more than reasonable.

Just my thoughts about a no-holes barred type section.

I went and looked at the two sites you suggested as examples, Thunderdome and Octagon. Very intresting. What avenue have you used to contact Admin regarding this.

You guys have The Massholes in Boston.

A2

[Skatar018]

How about letting each member write his own report the way he wants without complaining about not enough details, too many details, PM for details, or whatever BS is bothering you about the way reports are written.

I agree with this statement, I'd like to see us all embrace it, including the author.

Damned if you, damned if you don't, What really blows my mind is that, when you don't post enough info on a provider you get slammed by damned near everybody on this forum. When you do post the details of the visit you also get slammed. WTF! What is it that you guys want?

True enough, so if I may: don't let what others say or do drive you from the site or try & have you stay, (including me).

You can not comply with everyones expectations and requirements of what & how to post so I wouldn't (& I don't) try.

You can post how & what you will, as long as it's within the posting rules & guidelines no one should have casue to gripe about it.

Anyone who has issues with your post, all I can say is it's their issues don't let it become yours, let them deal with their own issues it's theirs to work out not yours.

I don't have answers for anyone but myself on what to post, what not to post, how much info to include or exclude, but I do not let others influence what or how I post (site rules excluded).

I don't think anyone is right or wrong, we just seem to have varying perspectives on what's ok & what's not ok to post.

I would like to add that it would be nice to see more reviews & less bullshit (myself included)!

[Moby9]

Can anyone here please tell me about LE busts that took place as a direct result of details posted on this site?

A few years ago, I went to an AMP in North Attleboro and reviewed it on another board that is now defunct. Later, I read in the local paper that it was busted. The police actually quoted lines from one of my reviews to the reporter.

Did my review cause the police to shut down the AMP? Who knows? But I can imagine a detective showing my review to the captain as justification for resources to stake out the place.

I'm not active in the hobby much now, but when I do, I try to do a review. But it's brief, missing all the exciting details I used to like to share.

I remember one of you who once said a review should include "Is she the chick in the pics, what does she do, does she do it well, what did it cost, and would you see her again". Word.

Moby.

[Yardape08]

LMAO. RELAX.

No one is going to tell you what you should or shouldn't put in YOUR review.

However there comes a time when being discreet with your review is best out of respect for your provider.

No one needs to hear. I took my left sock off then my right one and then her long wet tongue did this and that to me. There simply comes a time when there is way to many intimate details being told that should instead be reserved for a PM. Cutting out those details is in most cases what the providers prefer if a review is being done. Some providers don't even want a review at all.

As a potential result of giving TMI a variety of events could happen. One of which we all dread and that of a scoop by LEO. The demand will probably cause another phone shutdown and I wouldn't doubt that a price increase wouldn't take place.

This doesn't just apply to this one provider but all of the ones we review whether AMP's, Indy's or Non Asian. It's all about being discreet.

The need to spill with joy of juniors conquest needs to be controlled and the details left to just tell that is was an enjoyable event.

What is key to the review is- " but she really treated me well." That is what counts in a review IMHO

It seems to me that telling others how to post is exactly what is happening here. You start off by saying "No one is going to tell you what you should or shouldn't put in YOUR review." and then continue to lecture the poster. And you suggest that we should post only what the provider prefers. When a provider posts a public ad for services rendered she opens herself up to possible overexposure and consequently additional requests for her services. That is part of the nature of her business and it is up to her how she handles her business going forward. I have known many providers whose phones get blown up and unfortunately for them this is how it goes as they choose to make their living this way. Not our problem to manage their business for them. If an individual here feels compelled to assist them by not posting about his encounter that is their prerogative however it is not a requirement here. Just want to be clear about this for new members to understand.

[Yardape08]

Aldrich317 the key is being DISCREET.

Read the ad. 160 is for body rub time only NOT FS. She is not an escort.

You say that she can just adjust her rates. Isn't that what we ***** about?

And of course what is written in any ad usually includes the disclaimer that any exchange of $ is for "time" only whether it be in the Body Rub or Escort section even though all of us including LE know what is really behind the intent of the ad. Do you really think LE can't infer that $160 will include more than just a bodyrub? And saying she is not an escort just because she posts for a bodyrub is purely semantics.

[Yardape08]

Gents, I didn't realize that I made a huge mistake until now. The last thing I want is to get anybody in trouble for something that I said. With that being said, I am done with the forum and I wish you guys the best.

LMAO, you did nothing wrong. You posted a review with a few details. You didn't break any rules. I wouldn't be intimidated by others here who may suggest that you shouldn't post in this manner. They are not in charge of this thread or this forum. Maybe A2 or Jackson can clarify what the intent of this forum is all about.