"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[JZLizard]

Actually you did the right thing by controlling how things go. Fuck her. She was really just a classier type hooker, that's all. Don't feel bad. Don't worry about the cost of dinner and drinks, pussy costs money one way or another.

I think your response was intended for me, and if so yeah, I agree with you; control of the situation is the most important thing. It doesn't matter that my record of success was blemished, it would have happened eventually anyway. And yes classier call girl type is the impression I got as well. Wish I could have worked it out with her on the price though.

Oddly enough my post that you responded to has disappeared without a moderator comment put in place. I sent the moderator a question inquiring if I did something wrong (it was a bit long, but other than that I'm unsure what happened) but have not heard back as of yet. I may attempt to repost about what happened on the date once I learn what the issue was. I think learning from each other's experience here, positive and negative is what this thread is all about.

[Happy Lover]

To Hollywood and Foto.

I agree with the advice to let her contact me first. Chasing someone usually only makes them run. The way it was left though, I do need to contact her one more time to make sure the door is open for her to feel comfortable in contacting me. I don't know if she thinks that I'm angry with her or not. If she does, she would never contact me regardless. Anything to avoid a potential conflict or denial. It's just a matter of what to say, and when. Still working on that one.

[Happy Lover]

Like the boxing referee always states in the ring about rules, "protect yourself at ALL times". HL, it seems as though you may be leaving your left a little low and be apt to catch one on the chin here (emotionally). Sounds like your baby is somewhat excited at the prospects of being with a younger guy and from a completely unattached view I say "let her have her way". Be scarce and out of the picture, if things turn up bad for her or she ends up missing what you've been adding to the mix and she finds herself missing those things then let her come back to you.

This is easy to advise since I have no emotional attachment here, but it sounds like you've gotten into this pretty deep and that isn't usually a good idea. This has been evidenced by others here before but fortunately the feelings you have at the moment will pass. Wish you the best on getting thru this HL. V.

You're probably right. My guard may be down a bit, but there is no fear of a TKO. One way or another it'll come out in the wash.

[GetLost]

Actually you did the right thing by controlling how things go. Fuck her. She was really just a classier type hooker, that's all. Don't feel bad. Don't worry about the cost of dinner and drinks, pussy costs money one way or another.

[HollywoodGuy]

What would you do? If she is adamant about not seeing each other but still wants my assistance, (quite possible) would you go along with being a friend with only her benefitting from my knowledge? Regardless, if it goes south, I'll be kind and leave the door wide open for her to change her mind in the near future.

Thanks for listening and giving any insightful feedback.

HL.

Wait for her to call. Most likely she will (it could be in a few days or a few months, and maybe never), in the mean time start looking for her replacement. Do not call or txt or email for any reason.

[GetLost]

Let her go, HL. I'm guessing she already has her mind made up and nothing you can say or do will sway her, at least not permanently. Let her experience whatever she will experience with her new younger guy. In the meantime, don't visit her, don't contact her, and look for new girls to take up the position she is vacating. Eventually chips may fall just right and she'll contact you looking to rekindle things. Or she may not ever contact you again, but you'll have new girls to keep yourself entertained. It sucks losing a good SB, but it happens. The best you can do is move on and find a good replacement as quickly as possible.

Never get attached to a SB..EVER. Just remember what she is and how easily she can be replaced.

[FotoGuy1970]

Let her go, HL. I'm guessing she already has her mind made up and nothing you can say or do will sway her, at least not permanently. Let her experience whatever she will experience with her new younger guy. In the meantime, don't visit her, don't contact her, and look for new girls to take up the position she is vacating. Eventually chips may fall just right and she'll contact you looking to rekindle things. Or she may not ever contact you again, but you'll have new girls to keep yourself entertained. It sucks losing a good SB, but it happens. The best you can do is move on and find a good replacement as quickly as possible.

[GetLost]

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Just because you say "Without sounding argumentive or judgemental" doesn't mean you can than be both argumentative and judgmental and it doesn't count.

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[Varoom]

What would you do? If she is adamant about not seeing each other but still wants my assistance, HL.

Like the boxing referee always states in the ring about rules, "protect yourself at ALL times". HL, it seems as though you may be leaving your left a little low and be apt to catch one on the chin here (emotionally). Sounds like your baby is somewhat excited at the prospects of being with a younger guy and from a completely unattached view I say "let her have her way". Be scarce and out of the picture, if things turn up bad for her or she ends up missing what you've been adding to the mix and she finds herself missing those things then let her come back to you.

This is easy to advise since I have no emotional attachment here, but it sounds like you've gotten into this pretty deep and that isn't usually a good idea. This has been evidenced by others here before but fortunately the feelings you have at the moment will pass. Wish you the best on getting thru this HL. V.

[Happy Lover]

Happy Lover. Quick question, I think I'm reading into the post that you believe that telling her your true age led to the arrangement going downhill and was thus a mistake? I think that's what you're saying but wasn't sure.

I don't know if it was a deciding factor, but I think it was a contributing factor. I think the main reason is her skittishness towards her perceived level of my involvement. But that's my best guess, who knows what may be going on in her head.

BTW gentlemen, I didn't realize just how long that was until I saw it in forum. I hope it's a decent read.

[JZLizard]

Happy Lover. Quick question, I think I'm reading into the post that you believe that telling her your true age led to the arrangement going downhill and was thus a mistake? I think that's what you're saying but wasn't sure.

[Happy Lover]

Greetings All,

I hope this isn't a double post. I sent this yesterday afternoon, but it timed out asking me to login again. Since it still hasn't posted, here goes.

I have what I guess qualifies as a SB that I'll share and then look to the brethren for advice.

I introduced myself to the forum last September and as I was separating myself from the escort scene and preparing for the bowl my SO busted me with undeniable evidence. That was in October. After quenching the flames of her discovery and then laying low for a while I visited a UTR in December. She was 18, only escorting for a couple of months, had a handful of regulars, and expressed a desire to separate herself from that. She is 5'1", muscular spinner frame (think not quite cheerleader), latina, with a narrow apple bottom, and the most amazing see / the cups that I have ever seen in real life, maybe ever. I usually go for the be cups for perkiness, but hers naturally defy gravity. We hit it off right away. I would pay her donation on the way home after we hung out and went at each other for as long as I wanted to. She is what most of us look for, a gorgeous woman who doesn't know how beautiful and sexy she is. She complains about how guys are constantly hitting on her and giving her free things and then in the next breath claim to being a failure at being beautiful or sexy. At that time I would say 8/9/8/8. I continued seeing her regularly for the rest of December. By Jan 1, she had agreed to $650/ mo, two visits a week, which I broke down into weekly payments of $150 which I would sometimes give her on the first visit, sometimes the second. She would never ask for it. We developed more of a relationship. I got her motivated to continue with school, pushed her to find a job, taught her life lessons that she was ill prepared for, basically helped her out in any way that I could. She pared her regulars down to a couple. By the end of Jan, she had mentioned a couple of times that she felt strange taking money from me because that made it about "something other than hanging out". I took the hint. We talked about FWB, she brought it up, and then we never talked about money again. I just stopped giving it to her. She was fine with that, in fact I would get calls saying that she wanted to see me and get together for quickies along with our regular visits. At the end of Feb, she needed help with Mar rent and I gave her $250 to help out. That was it for Feb. She has room mates that know nothing about our relationship or her other activities. So with exception to her not having a place for us or a car, this is ideal. New rating 9/10/10/9. She is intelligent, just unprepared for the world. Her attitude is sweet and caring. We text everyday, usually extensively. She is always good about communicating. Everything is going great.

She has had issues with stalkers, exes who won't leave her alone, basically guys who are obsessed with her. I can see why. With her looks, attitude, and strong sex drive, who wouldn't be? We agreed to keep it light, not get too involved. She is more than a little paranoid. Every now and then she would, very frankly, ask me to reassure her that I wasn't falling in love with her. Of course I would always do so. She started to causally see someone her own age a few weeks ago. She just started a new job, finally. There are numerous things about me that she just hasn't asked me about, one of which being my age. She asked last week, and after I unsuccessfully tried to change the subject several times, I told her the truth. I probably should have lied. It turns out that she thought that I was about 15 years younger than I am. So on Monday, I stopped by her place to bring her some soup and hot tea because she has a cold. 5 min later, enter the problem.

I get a text from her saying that I'm wonderful, she can't put into words how much she appreciates what I've done for her, but she can tell that I like her too much and she wants to make sure that it doesn't end badly. I'm driving, so I called her to put her worries to rest, again. She then proceeds to tell me that we shouldn't see each other anymore because I'm falling for her and it will only get worse with time. When I protested and gave her logic she used the fact that I protested as proof that she was right. What?! Just when I think I've got that issue squared away, she tells me that even though her seeing the guy her own age isn't exclusive, she feels like she has two boyfriends and doesn't like it. Bottom line, we shouldn't see each other anymore. I sent a text when I got home saying that I thought she made a rash decision because we we're making plans to see each other while I was dropping off the food, then 5 min later pulling a 180 on me. I told her not to reply, think about it, and we would talk in a couple of days. She responded a couple of hours later telling me that she had thought about it before sending me the first text. I'm thinking she is just being young and skittish. Otherwise, why would she be making plans with me and then 5 min later, end it? We haven't communicated since Monday, which is a big deal considering how often we talk / text.

She really does need some guidance in her life at this time. She has no one that fits that bill. She is also putting too much credence in her newly acquired minimum wage job. I was planning on sending her a lengthy email on Monday about how good I am for her. That she needs my positive influence in her life. That while I care about her, it is still casual. She (like so many young girls) uses social media extensively and has left the security wide open. Yesterday she went out with girlfriends (when we had planned to get together) and had a lousy time. Today she is bored to death at home. I'm fighting the urge to contact her now instead of waiting. As we all know, timing is everything with this sort of situation. Unfortunately, I have no idea when and think its a crap shoot. She also has a banking issue with a deadline on the 21st that I'm considering trying to white knight. That would back fire on me if she already has it handled.

What would you do? If she is adamant about not seeing each other but still wants my assistance, (quite possible) would you go along with being a friend with only her benefitting from my knowledge? Regardless, if it goes south, I'll be kind and leave the door wide open for her to change her mind in the near future.

Thanks for listening and giving any insightful feedback.

HL.

[HollywoodGuy]

One year anniversary. She is a 10/10/9/8. Still 20. Probably average me about $$$$$$$$ a month this year. It's taken a year for her skill level to go from a 6 to an 8. And MMMV from week to week. But overall she is improving. I am hoping that 8 turns into a 9 by years end. And she is my GF so the e-level is high. And the per visit is also higher. We always plan for 8 days a month. But this month will only be 5.

Different girls satisfy different needs. She does cover a lot of bases, but not all of them. And she knows that.

[Golfcart]

Yes Revvo, these stories keep us all going. It's interesting how the Blog ebbs and flows with significant players coming and going through. Lets' have a moment of silence for the great names who were or are still here. And it's great that so many new names are popping up. You Revvo have risen to the top of the productivity chart with Hollywood.

Remember: Lit (still here and moderating) the king of it all, Golf, F Scott (where are you man?) ,

Yes, Literal2 when at the time the incarnation was Literal is the godfather of the board from the founding post on 12-26-2010. F Scott came on board and picked up the heavy lifting by heavy learning and heavy posting. As the result of this and a lot of joiners willing to try and see if it works this place became the Holy Grail of Sugar Babyhood all across the country just because the early days were made up of guys knowing nothing about this but willing to feel their way along with their fingers and post what works and what does not work, all by trial and error. That's why this place is what it is, and why this thread is chock full of good information what to do and what not to do, all here for the reading. All other SB boards to come along since are pretenders. I think I may have posted this before and that's because it's all true, even the part about Literal starting this thread on the Richmond board because he happened to be spending that night in Richmond. You can't make this stuff up.

Literal2 is our moderator now, of course, and performing in the background but Scott has been totally absent of late. I always worried about Scott, and don't know why. It's time to show up, Scott, so we know you're okay, so you read you are missed.

Fred, thanks for kick-starting me to say what needed to be said.

[HollywoodGuy]

Not quite sure how a guy could send a message to a SB on SDforme if they (the guy) aren't a paying member. If the gal has a VIP membership, then you can send messages with any contact info in it anyways.

If you are not a gold member no girl will take you seriously.