"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Dirty Dingus]

Have not heard of them down here. But sometimes the more obscure ones can have fewer lurkers and gameplayers hitting on the girls. But also could have fewer girls to pick from and maybe less GPS which can always be a plus.

By the way funny story my little Italian Princess was telling me on the lurkers front. She said that when she was on SDforme. She would get about 20 messages a day from douchebags who had not paid for a membership and they would put in the subject line their email and to call email them. Obviously not even paying for a membership. lol

And sometimes these douches would track her facebook down and contact her through there. And say things like you never emailed me back? SMH Another reason to keep your girls privacy secret also. If you start posting her pics around she could get stalked electronically.

Just an interesting story.

Revvo

Not quite sure how a guy could send a message to a SB on SDforme if they (the guy) aren't a paying member. If the gal has a VIP membership, then you can send messages with any contact info in it anyways.

[CaneBay]

Has anyone tried this site? Heard about from what I consider a failry reliable source. A search in my area shows a lot of girls, a few of whom I've seen on SA or SD4 M, but not all. I'm thinking about giving it a try but thought I'd see of anyone has any experience.

Was on this site playing around after your post. Most of the profiles are very old with no recent activity. Definitely search the profiles before anyone pays for access. East TN, NW GA looks like a waste of time. Does not look like you can search by recent activity or by newest member close to you.

Just my 2 cents.

[HollywoodGuy]

Have not heard of them down here. But sometimes the more obscure ones can have fewer lurkers and gameplayers hitting on the girls. But also could have fewer girls to pick from and maybe less GPS which can always be a plus.

By the way funny story my little Italian Princess was telling me on the lurkers front. She said that when she was on SDforme. She would get about 20 messages a day from douchebags who had not paid for a membership and they would put in the subject line their email and to call email them. Obviously not even paying for a membership. lol

And sometimes these douches would track her facebook down and contact her through there. And say things like you never emailed me back? SMH Another reason to keep your girls privacy secret also. If you start posting her pics around she could get stalked electronically.

Just an interesting story.

Revvo

Thats why I only post pictures I take myself that are not on any other sites. Or pics that were only taken for me.

[Revvo]

Has anyone tried this site? Heard about from what I consider a failry reliable source. A search in my area shows a lot of girls, a few of whom I've seen on SA or SD4 M, but not all. I'm thinking about giving it a try but thought I'd see of anyone has any experience.

Have not heard of them down here. But sometimes the more obscure ones can have fewer lurkers and gameplayers hitting on the girls. But also could have fewer girls to pick from and maybe less GPS which can always be a plus.

By the way funny story my little Italian Princess was telling me on the lurkers front. She said that when she was on SDforme. She would get about 20 messages a day from douchebags who had not paid for a membership and they would put in the subject line their email and to call email them. Obviously not even paying for a membership. lol

And sometimes these douches would track her facebook down and contact her through there. And say things like you never emailed me back? SMH Another reason to keep your girls privacy secret also. If you start posting her pics around she could get stalked electronically.

Just an interesting story.

Revvo

[Dsprdo]

Has anyone tried this site? Heard about from what I consider a failry reliable source. A search in my area shows a lot of girls, a few of whom I've seen on SA or SD4 M, but not all. I'm thinking about giving it a try but thought I'd see of anyone has any experience.

[HollywoodGuy]

This is one reason why I like the young, inexperienced singles. They frequently are naive and have not been burned yet. But they are like moths flitting near that flame. Someday they will get too close.

Ditto that. But mostly they have been emotionally burned by some young guy or guys. Then they just stop dating for a while. Then it's on to a 60 year old SD for some real fun. God bless those jersey shore and thug types. They make our lives so fuckin easy.

[FredMoore]

Many of these girls have been through hard times. My little FB almost Nando 1 just got the living crap beat out of her by an acquaintance. She could have been seriously injured or worse by the lout. Fortunately he's off to jail. She was all beat up and still made it to her appointment. I wish I had unlimited funds to just bless someone like her for no other reason than she needs it. I would be a White Knight if I could.

[FredMoore]

" But she could not see past her own nasty bitterness to even hold her tongue for just a little while. " Revvo.

A lot of girls here view themselves as victims and have "victimized" by a guy. Perhaps she was married and her husband stepped out on her. She will not be a pleasant SB for anyone and will use the poor sucker to get "back at" mankind.

This is one reason why I like the young, inexperienced singles. They frequently are naive and have not been burned yet. But they are like moths flitting near that flame. Someday they will get too close.

[Revvo]

I met this blond a couple of months back on SDforme. Actually we never met we just talked. You can always tell a lot about POTs by how well they respond at first. People have what is called a social tone. And what that is. Is a very strong preference for being nice communicative and social when they first meet you. Such as in a party when you are introduced to someone, or on a job interview when trying to impress, or first chatting with someone on a dating site.

Now many of these people drop the social tone eventually if they are honest and of normal quality they can maintain the social tone for a very long time because it is their nature. If they are very deceptive like a lot of the women on these sites they can maintain it for quite a while and usually long enough to get something from you. But most women can only do it for so long and then they revert back to their natural state which is angry, surly, bitter, desperate, sarcastic, or a variety Nando 1 type of behaviors. By the way gents use this info at your own peril if they have this pattern of behavior early on beware, spend time to screen them and see if they can maintain it.

So anyway I was chatting with this very attractive but not gorgeous blond MILF, 35 YO nice body. And she is not very responsive but hey I was not busy at the moment so I would go a little longer. Big waste of time. So I eventually get her on the phone and she is not overly pleasant just cordial. And she starts to tell me about a health issue she is having with her 10 YO son. Now my son has the same issues and I am very familiar with the details of it and offer her some advice and information. Which she eagerly accepts and is very interested in.

The conversation goes for about 15 minutes like this. Pleasant and decent. I am in the car driving to an appointment so I have an hour to kill. So eventually she asks me. "you keep referring to we, are you married?" I said of course I am so is about all of the men on that site. She says no they are not. I said yes just a lot of them just don't tell you this. I said are you familiar with what a sugar daddy is. She says "jerk but its ok, they are all jerks" and then she kind of smirks and laughs a little. Now the phone was a little garbled so I thought. Maybe I did not hear her right. So I said did you just call me a jerk. Now I have done nothing to this woman and have not said anything mean or hid anything from her my marital status is on my profile. I had even been helping her with something very important. But she could not see past her own nasty bitterness to even hold her tounge for just a little while.

I said really? And said good by.

Amazing, and she was laughing the whole time. It was erie.

Anyway there is a strange but funny one.

Revvo.

[HollywoodGuy]

Agreed about your last line, but the thing is once you have cash there is almost no way you can separate it from dating. Even if we meet a woman while broke and get rich while with her, it will impact our relationship in some way (and probably not in the way we'd prefer).

Part of the art of the game is being in control of the relationship without them realizing it. When they're eating out of your hand psychologically, it matters less what you actually have in your hand (cash in this case).

I was just saying that "game", or the social skills with which we use to interact with our ladies, is something you benefit from whether civi, SD, or anything else. Cash enhances it all of course, amping up our game when present, but game can be developed without it. Having cash without having game will still get us pussy, but having game will keep us paying a whole lot less for it, or in some cases not paying cash (directly) at all. Notice I said not paying cash, civi dating can get expensive too.

I personally have two major obstacles (1) being in a regular relationship I don't want to give up and (2) my actual age and financial position makes it harder for me to be with the age range of women I prefer without being an SD. (1) means I can only do this a few weeks out of the year, and (2) isn't going to get any easier with time.

If you've never been in a nightclub, only to have a cute 21 old flirt with you, pull you out on stage to dance with her, and after a half hour be all over you with her tongue down your throat, only to watch her suddenly lose interest when she learns your actual age (at least twice hers) and start to act creeped out as she starts thinking her friends will judge her, etc., then it would be hard to imagine the type of disappointment I'm looking to avoid with the SB scene. I've been in the above scenarios and its not fun. At least with SBs they've already made up their mind they will screw an older guy. In the mainstream civi pick-up world, even if you still have the charm to pull it off, you have the real-world obstacle of your actual age to get in the way. Sugardaddying solves that problem for me.

At 60 and dating mostly 20 year olds and only internet dating for 15 years, there is no other option for me to get what I want. And yes game is key. I really had none when I started. In the beginning I had a ton of cash which I spent freely. It was a very expensive lesson. And now, yes, I pay a little and get a lot. So I hear ya brother.

[JZLizard]

Unless you can get total control of a girl sexually in civi dating, I have to disagree that the similarities are that close. I grew up in neighborhood that had its share of spoiled rich kids, and the dudes with the coin always had more girls. Even when it was well known they were under endowed. Cash is king, but combine it with age and bedroom skills and then you are a living god. LOL.

Agreed about your last line, but the thing is once you have cash there is almost no way you can separate it from dating. Even if we meet a woman while broke and get rich while with her, it will impact our relationship in some way (and probably not in the way we'd prefer).

Part of the art of the game is being in control of the relationship without them realizing it. When they're eating out of your hand psychologically, it matters less what you actually have in your hand (cash in this case).

I was just saying that "game", or the social skills with which we use to interact with our ladies, is something you benefit from whether civi, SD, or anything else. Cash enhances it all of course, amping up our game when present, but game can be developed without it. Having cash without having game will still get us pussy, but having game will keep us paying a whole lot less for it, or in some cases not paying cash (directly) at all. Notice I said not paying cash, civi dating can get expensive too.

I personally have two major obstacles (1) being in a regular relationship I don't want to give up and (2) my actual age and financial position makes it harder for me to be with the age range of women I prefer without being an SD. (1) means I can only do this a few weeks out of the year, and (2) isn't going to get any easier with time.

If you've never been in a nightclub, only to have a cute 21 old flirt with you, pull you out on stage to dance with her, and after a half hour be all over you with her tongue down your throat, only to watch her suddenly lose interest when she learns your actual age (at least twice hers) and start to act creeped out as she starts thinking her friends will judge her, etc., then it would be hard to imagine the type of disappointment I'm looking to avoid with the SB scene. I've been in the above scenarios and its not fun. At least with SBs they've already made up their mind they will screw an older guy. In the mainstream civi pick-up world, even if you still have the charm to pull it off, you have the real-world obstacle of your actual age to get in the way. Sugardaddying solves that problem for me.

[HollywoodGuy]

Yep. Being sexually active since age 13, it wasn't long after that until I realize I was at risk of being a doormat for women my entire life if I didn't learn how to play the game better than they did -- so I focused on that instead of pretty much everything else, including sports and academics. I didn't even begin to work hard in school from puberty until I was in college, spending most of my time and energy chasing pussy and making sure I always came out on top of the situation (no pun intended). By the time I was in college, my game was well developed and it was time to learn how to make some money

I'm relatively new to the SB thing, but all regular dating skills and techniques I developed for handling women have not only transferred over, but seem to now pay even bigger dividends. Only difference is back then, there was never money on the table and they were close to my age. Getting older and more financially capable comes with its own price, to be sure.

Dating is dating, and sugardaddying is different only in subtle ways -- fundamentally still dating.

Unless you can get total control of a girl sexually in civi dating, I have to disagree that the similarities are that close. I grew up in neighborhood that had its share of spoiled rich kids, and the dudes with the coin always had more girls. Even when it was well known they were under endowed. Cash is king, but combine it with age and bedroom skills and then you are a living god. LOL.

[JZLizard]

Hell, I've been played this way by girlfriends. All part of the game, indeed.

Yep. Being sexually active since age 13, it wasn't long after that until I realize I was at risk of being a doormat for women my entire life if I didn't learn how to play the game better than they did -- so I focused on that instead of pretty much everything else, including sports and academics. I didn't even begin to work hard in school from puberty until I was in college, spending most of my time and energy chasing pussy and making sure I always came out on top of the situation (no pun intended). By the time I was in college, my game was well developed and it was time to learn how to make some money

I'm relatively new to the SB thing, but all regular dating skills and techniques I developed for handling women have not only transferred over, but seem to now pay even bigger dividends. Only difference is back then, there was never money on the table and they were close to my age. Getting older and more financially capable comes with its own price, to be sure.

Dating is dating, and sugardaddying is different only in subtle ways -- fundamentally still dating.

[West Central]

At some point in the conversation there is usually some mention of some other SD or potential SD who falls into what I call the A+B. = C. equation for lack of a better name for it:

(a) more generous financially than me

(b) less demanding sexually than me

(c) less of a "total package" than me according to her

The first two are her fishing for an upgrade while the third buffers it with an ego stroke. Example, she might say:

"There's this guy who wants to give me 500 just for dinner only he hasn't even talked about sex, but I just don't see myself with him because I don't have that sexual attraction like I do with you".

500 is the (A) component because its more than the 200 or so I've mentioned, dinner-only and no sex is the (B) component, and (C) is the part where she negates his value in some way in order to cater to my ego and preclude me from saying "well why don't you just hook with this guy if its a better offer".

It's all part of their game. I counter it with something that makes them realize they need to figure out which is more important, A+B. or C. because they can't have their cake and eat it too.

Hell, I've been played this way by girlfriends. All part of the game, indeed.

[JZLizard]

Dude I don't think there is another SD with an envelope with 2200 in it, a new washer with a bow delivered to her house, and dinner and flowers at 5:00 in the afternoon (this is my favorite part is the guy a senior citizen and wanted to get the early bird special so he could get to bed? lol), and did not ask for sex.

At some point in the conversation there is usually some mention of some other SD or potential SD who falls into what I call the A+B. = C. equation for lack of a better name for it:

(a) more generous financially than me

(b) less demanding sexually than me

(c) less of a "total package" than me according to her

The first two are her fishing for an upgrade while the third buffers it with an ego stroke. Example, she might say:

"There's this guy who wants to give me 500 just for dinner only he hasn't even talked about sex, but I just don't see myself with him because I don't have that sexual attraction like I do with you".

500 is the (A) component because its more than the 200 or so I've mentioned, dinner-only and no sex is the (B) component, and (C) is the part where she negates his value in some way in order to cater to my ego and preclude me from saying "well why don't you just hook with this guy if its a better offer".

It's all part of their game. I counter it with something that makes them realize they need to figure out which is more important, A+B. or C. because they can't have their cake and eat it too.