"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Member #5570]

TravelinSD. That was a great story. I thoroughly enjoyed that.

I must good give you a thumb up for resisting the temptation.

If I were you, during that second dinner, I would have brought her to the back yard and nail her right then and there even if it cost me a whole week of income. LOL

[TravelinSD]

This may not fall into the SB world, but since most guys on here are super paranoid about being seen in public with their SB, I thought you guys might find it amusing.

Shortly after my divorce about 18 months ago the wife of one of my married couple friends invited me to a private dinner hosted by this young chef in town. He's worked at several restaurants in the city and now does private dinners and about once a month does a dinner for about 12-18 people he invites from his email list. He's really quite good and the meal is usually a 5-10 course affair paired with great wines and / or cocktails. The first one the wife took me to was Steak & Whiskey night. 11 courses featuring steak in various forms paired with some great scotch and whiskeys. Incredible!

So I got on the email list and decided to go to the next dinner he had. My friends couldn't go, so I decided to go solo. It's a great vibe at these dinners with a diverse group of people and great socializing. He usually holds them in his house, which has a huge kitchen with two long tables for seating. I get there and start to mingle with the other guests. Then I spot this tall, VERY attractive woman with an incredible body. Nice breasts, long legs and torso, not large. But good size butt. She seems familiar to me, but I just can't place how I know her. We introduce ourselves to each other and the mingling continues. I do manage to finagle a seat beside her when we all sit down for dinner. I start chatting with her and ask, 'What do you do for a living? ' She gives me a quizzical look and whispers to me, 'You know. ' I have never experienced such a flood of memories being unleashed on my psyche in my life! It all came back to me.

Like many on here, before I came to the SB world I was firmly entrenched in the escort world. I had seen this lady probably 5 or 6 times as an escort over a period of 2 or 3 years through two agencies and as and independent. She was actually one of my top 5 experiences. We really hit it off both sexually as well as chemistry-wise when we were together. In my defense, the last time I had seen her was 18 months previous. I had found my SB and she migrated way out my price range and entered the UTR / upper class SB side of things. Also, these dinners are very casual affairs and she was dressed down and had very little makeup on. When I saw her as an escort I was really into the business look. That was one of the things I liked about her and she played that to a T. Skirt, blouse, garters & stockings, great make-up, etc.

She said she recognized me immediately. I however, was at a loss until our conversation. I apologized profusely and we both laughed. I must have really become flushed over the whole thing, because a guy across from us asked what we were talking about since my face was so red. We laughed it off with him and continued on. Nothing more was said between us about it and we enjoyed the rest of the evening socializing as a group.

The next day we did exchange emails and she was very gracious over my faux pas. I was tempted to explore more with her, but knew she was waaay out of my budget range. We left it at that and said we'd probably see each other at one of Chef's future dinners. I went to one other dinner accompanied by the wife of another couple-friends and my escort friend wasn't at that one.

Because of my travel schedule I missed Chef's dinners throughout the rest of the year and this year. Until last Thursday. The original friends who introduced me to Chef's dinners were hosting one at their home. Not only did I decide to go, but also my other friends whose wife I took to the last one also came. It was a beautiful evening and a beautiful setting. My friend's house is a bungalow style on a dead end street in an older neighborhood of the city. They have a huge front porch and have taken the front yard and made a patio out of pavers which is where one long table for 12 was set-up. I arrive and get a cocktail and start talking with my friends. Then, my escort friend shows up. We make eye contact, but we're talking in different groups of folks. Again I end up sitting next to her. There I am, the wife of my closest couple-friends on one side, my escort friend on the other, the wife's husband across from us. Almost all the couples were over 40, the escort friend is early 30's, the hottest thing there and getting attention from all the guys. The wife-friend even made a comment to her husband during dinner that he wasn't paying attention to her conversation with him because he was eyeing the escort friend. Escort friend was being fairly flamboyant and wife friend kept making snide comments to me about her. Here's the best part. I'm taking all of this in. Both of my closest couple friends are there, the wife's comments, the guys eyeing and fawning over her. And the whole time I'm just thinking. 'Out of all of you, I'm the only one who has nailed this hot woman and she's fantastic! ' It was almost an out of body experience.

Good Hunting,

Travelin'

[John Draven]

I say the pasture is as green as you make it. You would think a bigger city would be better, more girls etc. But I talk to girls around the country and it seems that in the smaller areas the girls are literally starving for attention. So don't let that stop you. What city you in?

Hope you are right. I assume that their are college sb to be found..

[John Draven]

JD,

Firstly, if you read back through the entire thread (journal) you will realize we are a national, not local, fraternity, and so comments from the field are welcomed no matter what state you happen to come from. I'm sure there are fantastic babies waiting for you in Michigan, they're just waiting for you to find them. Being from Chicago myself, I sometimes get contacted by POTS from the sunset shore of your fair state, and they are hot. Good luck. If you are anywhere near Ann Arbor, you are set for life, trust me.

That said, your first order of business is to go back to the very first post on this thread, and read through to today, taking notes as you see fit. It will take you a while, but I believe that unlike any other thread on this forum there is a wealth of real, earned knowledge here and not just requests for information about provider X or rants and raves about missed appointments with skanky hookers. (My bias is showing, I know. Peace.)

In short, lace up your boots, get out into the field and do your work, then come back in a week or two with some specific issues and you will find us all more than willing to assist you.

Good luck, and in the immortal words of Brother Revvo, be careful out there.

Scott

I am near the Ann Arbor area. I been taking your advice and rtff. I am low key and contribute when I have value to add. Hope to share my knowledge and eager to explorer the green pasture.

[HollywoodGuy]

GG you are right on. Small adjustments can make a big difference. Be alert watch how they react to your interactions. And make small adjustments. Also pursue women that you do not necessarily want to catch. Use them as experience builders. And also watch how you act when you don't want it so bad. And act that way when you are with the ones you do want. Women really notice this shit. Most guys are clueless. Women are super sensitive to how you behave when you are around them.

I would avoid the double babies for now. Too much to deal with. Keep it simple for now. Master one thing at a time. Build your confidence like Hollywood said. Walk then run. Stumble a little go back to crawling again, then walk then run. Eventually you will be sprinting.

Revvo

I used to pursue girls I didn't want all the time just for the feedback. Excellent advice.

[HappyHunter44]

We're not saying she's playing to marry you, but she has made up her mind if she would ever fuck you and / or what it would cost to do so.

That is exactly what I meant. After you put the feelers out and intentions are clear AND she actually talks back, then she pretty much makes up her mind in short order. May explain why I do not have long drawn out rejections. I pick up the "no" or "yes" hint as quickly as I can. Very cost effective to move on from the impossible without spending too much time or money.

But, I have worked on a few girls for months, but that was just fine because everything they indicated was "yes," just not yet. Cool. I scored in the end in all those cases, and the chase was kinda fun too.

[Genxkva]

Hmm. I can't disagree with you more strongly.

We're not saying she's playing to marry you, but she has made up her mind if she would ever fuck you and / or what it would cost to do so.

[Revvo]

Yep, what is that saying? Every woman who decides to talk to you, whether she is single, attached, or married is only deciding on one thing,"Would I fuc* him or not?" When she reaches her answer, usually within 5 minutes, you will know.

Pretty much the way it works. What I am saying is we escalate in a clear way until we get to rejection or acceptance. This is how we all evolved over the millennia. It goes to the core of what we are. I certainly do not have all of the answers but I can tell you being friends between a middle aged married man and a young beautiful woman is not very realistic path to anything but the friend zone.

Be bold, be playful, have fun. That is what she wants A man. She probably already has plenty of friends.

Revvo

[J Martinez]

Yep, what is that saying? Every woman who decides to talk to you, whether she is single, attached, or married is only deciding on one thing,"Would I fuc* him or not?" When she reaches her answer, usually within 5 minutes, you will know.

Hmm. I can't disagree with you more strongly.

[HappyHunter44]

Remember there is either interest or no interest.

Yep, what is that saying? Every woman who decides to talk to you, whether she is single, attached, or married is only deciding on one thing,"Would I fuc* him or not?" When she reaches her answer, usually within 5 minutes, you will know.

[J Martinez]

.I've also been trying to hit up some of the pairs of girls. Has anyone had success with this? I thought it would be great since they might feel more secure as a duo coming over.

I agree with Revvo, keep it simple for now. I get bad vibes with most duos, too much note comparing and they will likely default to the least amount of fun because no one feels special.

[Revvo]

Brothers,

Thank you all for all the great advice. I agree that nothing ventured, nothing gained, and I will be no worse off than I am now. Being in the Bowl has certainly taught me how to talk to HYBs in an easy, flirty but respectful way, and I think I just have to go with that.

Fred, I also am liking the idea of a private class. My one small fear is that I won't be able to do all the poses to the level she will require, and I'll look like the creaky old fossil that I am. Offsetting this is the vision of a sweaty Jenn standing close and touching me to "correct" my posture. It would also give me a chance to talk her up a bit more in private. After class there are always other people milling around, the bastards!

Nostra, I also like the idea of starting a conversation which then gets interrupted, necessitating its continuance at a coffee shop at a later date. I may combine the two and see if I can get a better idea as to whether she is interested or not.

As for pretending I'm not married, that won't fly as I wear a wedding band, and she certainly has seen it. This gives me a small amount of hope, actually. She knows I'm married, so would only be expecting a mistress-type arrangement if things ever got that far. I need to be careful not to move too quickly, as I really don't want to stop going to yoga if things go south and she gets freaked out. On the other hand, if she seems receptive to something outside of class, we both know she is "seeing" a married man, which only leads to one place, the FC, right? Clearly this will take some time to unfold. It is not like an m&g with a baby from SA, where a $3. 00 latte and some joking around will get POTF the next time you are together. On the third hand, how much can a yoga teacher make? Maybe she is looking for some assistance, and the "hints" I have been getting are in fact legit.

In any event, onward! I spent the better part of last night thinking about how awesome it would be to bang that sweet little body, and there's no turning back. Maybe we could do it in the studio, at 110 degrees! Did I mention she has a pierced navel? The mind reels!

Tigg and Bike, great posts. It just goes to show you never know where the pussy can come from.

Scott

Brothers I hate to go against the grain here. But I have to say this is not what I would do. First remember she knows the only reason you are talking to her is because she has a pussy and you want to get into it. And guess what. She probably wants your dick. If you act in a masculine way. And do not try to hide this obvious fact and try to sneak into her pants.

You need to be clear about what you want and tell her what you want. Tell her you want to meet for coffee / smoothie or whatever is the latest trendy drink. Flirt, tease her, touch her, escalate the touching throughout the interaction lots of eye contact, and always lead the interaction. Don't wait move forward. Remember you are the man and she wants you to take the lead. Don't wait on signals. The signal will be she follows your lead or not. Nothing in between. No on the private classes or extended conversations. These are how you get into the friend zone. Matter of fact your goal should be to escalate the interaction to the next level smoothly and quickly.

Remember there is either interest or no interest. Also remember she knows you are married. She is not interested in having long conversations. Hell she may not bite when you try to escalate. That is cool my brother. If she is that hot. She probably gets hit on a dozen times a day. So it is no big deal.

Good luck.

Revvo

[BigTigger]

Hello brothers. Figured I'd log my first progress report.

Plan B. Local bowl.

POT HYB turns into Nando1.

So it seemed initially the local scene wasn't going to generate any potentials, but this one started posting in my area on SA. We started to communicate and found she was planning to relocate to my city and was going to visit in a couple days to look for housing and visit some friends. So when she arrived I arranged to meet her at her hotel and when I got to her room she looked very much the 19 yr old innocent girl she had claimed to be. No makeup and looking she was still waking up, very cute. After about 30 minutes of chatting we sat together in the bed and she started snuggling up to me and in a few minutes more we started making out and that led to my first trip to the FC. Wow, hadn't had such young pussy in a while. She did seem to be less experienced but was pretty vocal about her enjoyment. After we cleaned up and chilled a bit longer I had to get back to work and left her her sugar. Seemed promising. I told her I probably wouldn't see her til she made her move and left it at that. We texted a bit and a couple days later she asked me to see her one more time before she left and it so happened my schedule opened up. So the morning of the second date she texts and asks if she can have a little extra sugar for her hotel and I think ok since I'm hoping I have my first SB.

She moves out here and starts texting for me to see her, but I'm too busy at work. A few days later she texts and asks to borrow 200, but I ignore since I had already told her I was busy. I finally got free a week later and texted her. She starts texting me asking to borrow 2500 for her rental deposit and that's when all the alarm bells and the wisdom of the brotherhood starts screaming my ears. Anyway long story short I questioned her wisdom in renting an expensive place and if she should rethink that decision and reminded her that we still had just met and while I was sympathetic I couldn't loan her the money. Haven't heard from her since, so I'm hoping I successfully dodged a bullet, but hoping I never run into her or she finds my identity. Hopefully she'll find it to expensive here and move back home.

Most of the other potentials locally have turned out to be flaky, but there is one more college SB I'm trying to meet.

Plan A. Arrange for visiting SB's.

Ideally find 2-3 SB's to visit me periodically throughout the year.

This has turned into a much more challenging prospect as I think many girls fear that I'm a creep, flake, or looking for an escort. I've been casting a wide net, but not too much progress. Many girls respond interested but when we get to logistics they stop responding. The ones that are ready to go are asking for 1000 a day and that's too steep. Those are probably pros I imagine.

Do you guys get verified? Do you get a better response?

Any guys with more experience with flying girls to you have any pearls of wisdom?

1. Fly to them first.

2. Meet them on a biz trip.

3. Plan a long weekend on mini vacation and work that area. Sample the goods while there, then fly to the ones you like in. See not STL trip for reference.

[Revvo]

Thanks FScott and Revvo for the advice.

Yes I think I will try to tone it down a bit. I'll be even more measured in my approach I'll have to pick and choose depending on their profiles. Some girls ask for more direct terms and others it's more vague and general. I'll try to vary my approach and see what works and with whom. It's definitely a fine line between the right and wrong impressions. I shall carry on and continue to report my progress. I just have to keep thinking patience. Patience.

I've also been trying to hit up some of the pairs of girls. Has anyone had success with this? I thought it would be great since they might feel more secure as a duo coming over.

GG.

GG you are right on. Small adjustments can make a big difference. Be alert watch how they react to your interactions. And make small adjustments. Also pursue women that you do not necessarily want to catch. Use them as experience builders. And also watch how you act when you don't want it so bad. And act that way when you are with the ones you do want. Women really notice this shit. Most guys are clueless. Women are super sensitive to how you behave when you are around them.

I would avoid the double babies for now. Too much to deal with. Keep it simple for now. Master one thing at a time. Build your confidence like Hollywood said. Walk then run. Stumble a little go back to crawling again, then walk then run. Eventually you will be sprinting.

Revvo

[Revvo]

Isn't that one of the main benefits of the bowl? You don't have to choose! And in your case it sounds like they will both happily oblige whenever you want to boot. I find myself getting excited about the prospects and am thinking of the local college in a whole new light.

What type of resort hotel did you find for $72? It's one of things I'm curious about. Yeah sure, an extended stay dump can be had for cheap, but I don't want to portray that image. If you can "spoil" your baby for a nominal upcharge, it's win win. Where did you find your place? Was it last minute.

In Awe,

HL

Any normal guy with a little extra money that follows this thread and applies the hard won lessons can do this. It does take work and perseverance. It was like a second job for me for a while. Even if you don't have a lot of money you can find one and see her only occasionally. I have one that is 150 per visit no other costs. If I saw her once or twice a month that would only be 300 per month. Most guys with a normal job should be able to afford that.

As for the hotel. I am a little lucky there. I live in an area of Fla. With a lot of hotels of all types and many of them are resort style hotels. This particular one was a very nice 3 star. And then when the slow season comes around like now. There are a hell of a lot of hotel rooms vacant. So the hotels are trying to get occupants. The best deal I ever got. Was for a four star beautiful luxury hotel for $48. Place was almost empty. They did charge 16 per day for parking. But I would recommend using all of the travel sites and also Trivago. It searches all of the travel sites also. Hotels and the travel sites send me specials to my play email address almost daily. I have found that Hotwire and Priceline have the best deals.

Also there is a site called biddingfortravel. Com which tells you the best deals that people have successfully bid on in priceline. Very valuable. Then you know right where to bid at. And yes you are right. It definitely adds to the experience to be able to have a nice FC to fuck in. In fact I would say. The less the baby cares, the more likely she is a pro.

Keep at it. You will get it.

Revvo