"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

Thanks FScott and Revvo for the advice.

Yes I think I will try to tone it down a bit. I'll be even more measured in my approach I'll have to pick and choose depending on their profiles. Some girls ask for more direct terms and others it's more vague and general. I'll try to vary my approach and see what works and with whom. It's definitely a fine line between the right and wrong impressions. I shall carry on and continue to report my progress. I just have to keep thinking patience. Patience.

I've also been trying to hit up some of the pairs of girls. Has anyone had success with this? I thought it would be great since they might feel more secure as a duo coming over.

GG.

Start with $200 a visit till you get your confidence up

[Happy Lover]

Well I had two blowjobs this week. One from each of two of my top three regulars and I just am beside myself with the simple pure amazement of the quality of these experiences. Two very different experiences. One was awesome the other one was awesome but which one was more awesome?

First my little Venezuelan baby. We had been fucking and playing and snuggling for a couple of hours on a very awesome session at her apartment and I figured I was spent. But after a little rest I told her not asked her. I want you to suck my cock. A big smile crosses her face. And she jumps up from her curled up position all naked with this perfect tight little spinner body. And slides down between my legs and and hungrily takes my cock in her mouth and goes to town. I mean there was slurping, almost deep throating, I could feel the back of her throat with the head of my dick. She goes down the side. She plays with my balls, she puts my balls in her mouth and slurps on them like an ice cream cone. It was amazing! I was in heaven and when I came I came hard. It was fast and hard and intense. With tons of enthusiasm. When I came she makes a cute little high pitched moan like she just found a shiny piece of jewlery and was so happy with it. Then tells me how great I tasted. And then curls back up next to me and falls asleep. Of course I could not sleep because I was simply astounded. I could not believe a blowjob could be this great. I was wrong. There was another.

This leads me to my little Brazilian Princess. We meet and as usual there is no sugar just food or drinks and an occasional gift. This time her roommate was home so we needed to get a hotel. No problemo. We get to the room at a really nice resort hotel for $72. 00 and she tells me that she is on her period. But not to worry she has things completely in hand. Normally they warn me before the date. But she was literally looking forward to giving me that blowjob. Her words not mine. This was different. It was slow so incredibly slow. She was meticulous, she was eager yet she was deliberate. Work on the head for a while but when things get too heated she would slow down. She would run her perfectly manicured nails down my thighs sending me into Ecstasy. She would play with my balls like and dog plays with his own. Such expertise such skill. I was amazed just watching her. She brought me to the brink a half a dozen times I could not count after a while. When I came she could have made me do anything she wanted and I would have agreed with her. She sucked it down hungrily and then told me how much she loved sucking my cock. And I thanked her for her work. She just giggled and said this is not work when you enjoy it so much. I said well I will be happy to give you joy anytime you want.

Which would you pick? Venezuela or Brazil?

I honestly do not know how much better it could get!

Viva la latinas!

Revvo

Isn't that one of the main benefits of the bowl? You don't have to choose! And in your case it sounds like they will both happily oblige whenever you want to boot. I find myself getting excited about the prospects and am thinking of the local college in a whole new light.

What type of resort hotel did you find for $72? It's one of things I'm curious about. Yeah sure, an extended stay dump can be had for cheap, but I don't want to portray that image. If you can "spoil" your baby for a nominal upcharge, it's win win. Where did you find your place? Was it last minute.

In Awe,

HL

[Gogreen]

Thanks FScott and Revvo for the advice.

Yes I think I will try to tone it down a bit. I'll be even more measured in my approach I'll have to pick and choose depending on their profiles. Some girls ask for more direct terms and others it's more vague and general. I'll try to vary my approach and see what works and with whom. It's definitely a fine line between the right and wrong impressions. I shall carry on and continue to report my progress. I just have to keep thinking patience. Patience.

I've also been trying to hit up some of the pairs of girls. Has anyone had success with this? I thought it would be great since they might feel more secure as a duo coming over.

GG.

Green,

I agree with Rev on your situation. It sounds to me like there is some kind of disconnect between your initial contact and the subsequent emails, and you need to concentrate your efforts there. Try reading back through your messages as if you were a skittish 20 yo baby looking for any reason to bolt, and see if there is anything there that might spook you. Are you coming on too strongly? Do you mention the FC too soon? Maybe don't bring up the whole flying-in thing until the third or fourth exchange, when they hopefully are feeling comfortable with you.

Although having said that, you might want to have one line in your profile text about the concept, something like "if we really have chemistry, I'm happy to fly you in for a weekend of fun." Then don't bring it up again until you have communicated for a bit, and be shy about it. Over-eagerness is the kiss of death in the Bowl, my friend. You must show interest and respect, but not appear desperate. Desperate = Creepy.

Also, the 1000 a day babies are escorts, pure and simple. Even if they're not, who cares? That's not what this whole thing is about. If you are paying top dollar, you may as well stay in the pro arena, and spend your free time doing something else.

As I think about it, I'm guessing you will need to accept a longer lead time, more upfront time, and more work on your part, but I'm predicting once you are able to secure a few solid babies who are committed to the concept, you will be golden. Don't be seduced by tales from brothers (like me I admit) who live in major metropolitan areas and have new babies being born every day. In reality, I can only see two or three of them at a time, so who really cares how many POTS I contact?

In my yoga class, all the teachers say that the only thing that matters is that we do our best with the day and the circumstances we have at hand. Some days are better, some worse, but tomorrow has unlimited potential. Anyone here will truthfully tell you that it takes a couple of months if not more to figure out your personal approach, the follow-up, the seduction and then the maintenance. But once you've got it, it will all get easier.

Keep at it, my brother. As Rev said,"It is an exciting, amazing, electrifying experience. It is also frustrating (and) nerve wracking" to which I would add that there is nothing else like it in the world. Be careful though, as many of us have gotten in too deep once the pussy starts rolling in and found that it takes over our lives. An occasional cleanse is often called for to realign the shakras, or something like that.

In any case, tally ho, and don't forget to write.

Scott

[Revvo]

As you may remember my third regular. My little american girl next door. Is still solidly in the picture and eager to meet any time we can work our schedules which is hard since she is a very busy girl with her work and school.

In addition she has some serious problems with money at the moment. But she has not asked me for a penny. In fact I am to the point where I do not even think I even need to give her sugar each time. But I do. I would never take advantage of this little princess. She is a giver and she deserves every penny and my affection and respect. I have never heard from her the word no.

I have asked her if there is anything I can do for her and she said no. She is so cool. Like my story below. I feel lucky.

I guess loaning a baby money can work out sometimes.

Revvo

[Revvo]

Well I had two blowjobs this week. One from each of two of my top three regulars and I just am beside myself with the simple pure amazement of the quality of these experiences. Two very different experiences. One was awesome the other one was awesome but which one was more awesome?

First my little Venezuelan baby. We had been fucking and playing and snuggling for a couple of hours on a very awesome session at her apartment and I figured I was spent. But after a little rest I told her not asked her. I want you to suck my cock. A big smile crosses her face. And she jumps up from her curled up position all naked with this perfect tight little spinner body. And slides down between my legs and and hungrily takes my cock in her mouth and goes to town. I mean there was slurping, almost deep throating, I could feel the back of her throat with the head of my dick. She goes down the side. She plays with my balls, she puts my balls in her mouth and slurps on them like an ice cream cone. It was amazing! I was in heaven and when I came I came hard. It was fast and hard and intense. With tons of enthusiasm. When I came she makes a cute little high pitched moan like she just found a shiny piece of jewlery and was so happy with it. Then tells me how great I tasted. And then curls back up next to me and falls asleep. Of course I could not sleep because I was simply astounded. I could not believe a blowjob could be this great. I was wrong. There was another.

This leads me to my little Brazilian Princess. We meet and as usual there is no sugar just food or drinks and an occasional gift. This time her roommate was home so we needed to get a hotel. No problemo. We get to the room at a really nice resort hotel for $72. 00 and she tells me that she is on her period. But not to worry she has things completely in hand. Normally they warn me before the date. But she was literally looking forward to giving me that blowjob. Her words not mine. This was different. It was slow so incredibly slow. She was meticulous, she was eager yet she was deliberate. Work on the head for a while but when things get too heated she would slow down. She would run her perfectly manicured nails down my thighs sending me into Ecstasy. She would play with my balls like and dog plays with his own. Such expertise such skill. I was amazed just watching her. She brought me to the brink a half a dozen times I could not count after a while. When I came she could have made me do anything she wanted and I would have agreed with her. She sucked it down hungrily and then told me how much she loved sucking my cock. And I thanked her for her work. She just giggled and said this is not work when you enjoy it so much. I said well I will be happy to give you joy anytime you want.

Which would you pick? Venezuela or Brazil?

I honestly do not know how much better it could get!

Viva la latinas!

Revvo

[F Scott]

Wanted to say hi to everyone and been reading the forum first. Still haven't decided in which site to start. I live out in Michigan, not sure if there that many potential SB compared to Richmond, Virginia area. Only thing I know are the strip clubs here are much better than other states. In terms of extra. Tired of that scene and it is not cheap. Has any one had luck in Michigan? Or are certain states or city provide greener pasture than others?

Looking forward for some guidance and will contribute value back to the forum.

JD,

Firstly, if you read back through the entire thread (journal) you will realize we are a national, not local, fraternity, and so comments from the field are welcomed no matter what state you happen to come from. I'm sure there are fantastic babies waiting for you in Michigan, they're just waiting for you to find them. Being from Chicago myself, I sometimes get contacted by POTS from the sunset shore of your fair state, and they are hot. Good luck. If you are anywhere near Ann Arbor, you are set for life, trust me.

That said, your first order of business is to go back to the very first post on this thread, and read through to today, taking notes as you see fit. It will take you a while, but I believe that unlike any other thread on this forum there is a wealth of real, earned knowledge here and not just requests for information about provider X or rants and raves about missed appointments with skanky hookers. (My bias is showing, I know. Peace.)

In short, lace up your boots, get out into the field and do your work, then come back in a week or two with some specific issues and you will find us all more than willing to assist you.

Good luck, and in the immortal words of Brother Revvo, be careful out there.

Scott

[F Scott]

Plan A. Arrange for visiting SB's.

Ideally find 2-3 SB's to visit me periodically throughout the year.

This has turned into a much more challenging prospect as I think many girls fear that I'm a creep, flake, or looking for an escort. I've been casting a wide net, but not too much progress. Many girls respond interested but when we get to logistics they stop responding. The ones that are ready to go are asking for 1000 a day and that's too steep. Those are probably pros I imagine.

Do you guys get verified? Do you get a better response?

Any guys with more experience with flying girls to you have any pearls of wisdom?

Green,

I agree with Rev on your situation. It sounds to me like there is some kind of disconnect between your initial contact and the subsequent emails, and you need to concentrate your efforts there. Try reading back through your messages as if you were a skittish 20 yo baby looking for any reason to bolt, and see if there is anything there that might spook you. Are you coming on too strongly? Do you mention the FC too soon? Maybe don't bring up the whole flying-in thing until the third or fourth exchange, when they hopefully are feeling comfortable with you.

Although having said that, you might want to have one line in your profile text about the concept, something like "if we really have chemistry, I'm happy to fly you in for a weekend of fun." Then don't bring it up again until you have communicated for a bit, and be shy about it. Over-eagerness is the kiss of death in the Bowl, my friend. You must show interest and respect, but not appear desperate. Desperate = Creepy.

Also, the 1000 a day babies are escorts, pure and simple. Even if they're not, who cares? That's not what this whole thing is about. If you are paying top dollar, you may as well stay in the pro arena, and spend your free time doing something else.

As I think about it, I'm guessing you will need to accept a longer lead time, more upfront time, and more work on your part, but I'm predicting once you are able to secure a few solid babies who are committed to the concept, you will be golden. Don't be seduced by tales from brothers (like me I admit) who live in major metropolitan areas and have new babies being born every day. In reality, I can only see two or three of them at a time, so who really cares how many POTS I contact?

In my yoga class, all the teachers say that the only thing that matters is that we do our best with the day and the circumstances we have at hand. Some days are better, some worse, but tomorrow has unlimited potential. Anyone here will truthfully tell you that it takes a couple of months if not more to figure out your personal approach, the follow-up, the seduction and then the maintenance. But once you've got it, it will all get easier.

Keep at it, my brother. As Rev said, "It is an exciting, amazing, electrifying experience. It is also frustrating (and) nerve wracking" to which I would add that there is nothing else like it in the world. Be careful though, as many of us have gotten in too deep once the pussy starts rolling in and found that it takes over our lives. An occasional cleanse is often called for to realign the shakras, or something like that.

In any case, tally ho, and don't forget to write.

Scott

[Marcus Weiner]

So I hadn't heard from my 5'10 Latina stripper with the incredible body and double D's in about a week, when a few days ago I get a message from her asking who I was. Obvious phone problems, or at least the appearance of them, LOL. She was off that night, but I had already lined up an overnighter with my Chinese / Russian girl. She asked me about next Sunday (this one) and I made plans to go ahead and see her. Today she texts me and tells me that she's taking tonight off, is horny and wants to see me. As I was already entertaining the prospect of my late 30's blonde, I said hell yeah! I go to her place with a half pint of Hennessey and a pack of Newport 100's and the next thing I know I'm fucking the be-jesus out of her, or should I say vice versa. I'm looking forward to tonight! MW

[Revvo]

Hello brothers. Figured I'd log my first progress report.

Plan B. Local bowl.

POT HYB turns into Nando1.

So it seemed initially the local scene wasn't going to generate any potentials, but this one started posting in my area on SA. We started to communicate and found she was planning to relocate to my city and was going to visit in a couple days to look for housing and visit some friends. So when she arrived I arranged to meet her at her hotel and when I got to her room she looked very much the 19 yr old innocent girl she had claimed to be. No makeup and looking she was still waking up, very cute. After about 30 minutes of chatting we sat together in the bed and she started snuggling up to me and in a few minutes more we started making out and that led to my first trip to the FC. Wow, hadn't had such young pussy in a while. She did seem to be less experienced but was pretty vocal about her enjoyment. After we cleaned up and chilled a bit longer I had to get back to work and left her her sugar. Seemed promising. I told her I probably wouldn't see her til she made her move and left it at that. We texted a bit and a couple days later she asked me to see her one more time before she left and it so happened my schedule opened up. So the morning of the second date she texts and asks if she can have a little extra sugar for her hotel and I think ok since I'm hoping I have my first SB.

She moves out here and starts texting for me to see her, but I'm too busy at work. A few days later she texts and asks to borrow 200, but I ignore since I had already told her I was busy. I finally got free a week later and texted her. She starts texting me asking to borrow 2500 for her rental deposit and that's when all the alarm bells and the wisdom of the brotherhood starts screaming my ears. Anyway long story short I questioned her wisdom in renting an expensive place and if she should rethink that decision and reminded her that we still had just met and while I was sympathetic I couldn't loan her the money. Haven't heard from her since, so I'm hoping I successfully dodged a bullet, but hoping I never run into her or she finds my identity. Hopefully she'll find it to expensive here and move back home.

Most of the other potentials locally have turned out to be flaky, but there is one more college SB I'm trying to meet.

Plan A. Arrange for visiting SB's.

Ideally find 2-3 SB's to visit me periodically throughout the year.

This has turned into a much more challenging prospect as I think many girls fear that I'm a creep, flake, or looking for an escort. I've been casting a wide net, but not too much progress. Many girls respond interested but when we get to logistics they stop responding. The ones that are ready to go are asking for 1000 a day and that's too steep. Those are probably pros I imagine.

Do you guys get verified? Do you get a better response?

Any guys with more experience with flying girls to you have any pearls of wisdom?

Couple of thoughts. First welcome to the bowl. It is an exciting, amazing, electrifying experience. It is also frustrating, nerve wracking and will cause you to question a lot of your assumptions about yourself and women in general.

I would ask you. Have you read the entire thread from beginning to end? If not do it. You will probably find many answers there.

Next I would say this takes time and tuning of your approach. If you are getting a lot of responses but then getting dropped on the meetup. That may mean your game to get them to meet is having problems. And need to tune that up. Try different approaches. Don't be tied to any one baby at first. Get the net out there, get a bunch of them, and then see which ones you want to keep and which ones you want to throw back.

Also ask yourself. What do I really want. Do I want a UTR or pro. Or do I want a really inexperienced newbie never done this before? Or how about age. Are you looking at the really young ones. Or older, MILF or single? What other things are a must have? How about things that you will not accept. Make a list of these. This will help you narrow your approach.

Knowing yourself and knowing what you want is a big part of this game. Stay conscious and aware also. Be specific with the POTs also on what you want. This will help you attract more and better quality. This will help you focus and be more successful.

Good luck. And be careful out there.

Revvo

[Gogreen]

Hello brothers. Figured I'd log my first progress report.

Plan B. Local bowl.

POT HYB turns into Nando1.

So it seemed initially the local scene wasn't going to generate any potentials, but this one started posting in my area on SA. We started to communicate and found she was planning to relocate to my city and was going to visit in a couple days to look for housing and visit some friends. So when she arrived I arranged to meet her at her hotel and when I got to her room she looked very much the 19 yr old innocent girl she had claimed to be. No makeup and looking she was still waking up, very cute. After about 30 minutes of chatting we sat together in the bed and she started snuggling up to me and in a few minutes more we started making out and that led to my first trip to the FC. Wow, hadn't had such young pussy in a while. She did seem to be less experienced but was pretty vocal about her enjoyment. After we cleaned up and chilled a bit longer I had to get back to work and left her her sugar. Seemed promising. I told her I probably wouldn't see her til she made her move and left it at that. We texted a bit and a couple days later she asked me to see her one more time before she left and it so happened my schedule opened up. So the morning of the second date she texts and asks if she can have a little extra sugar for her hotel and I think ok since I'm hoping I have my first SB.

She moves out here and starts texting for me to see her, but I'm too busy at work. A few days later she texts and asks to borrow 200, but I ignore since I had already told her I was busy. I finally got free a week later and texted her. She starts texting me asking to borrow 2500 for her rental deposit and that's when all the alarm bells and the wisdom of the brotherhood starts screaming my ears. Anyway long story short I questioned her wisdom in renting an expensive place and if she should rethink that decision and reminded her that we still had just met and while I was sympathetic I couldn't loan her the money. Haven't heard from her since, so I'm hoping I successfully dodged a bullet, but hoping I never run into her or she finds my identity. Hopefully she'll find it to expensive here and move back home.

Most of the other potentials locally have turned out to be flaky, but there is one more college SB I'm trying to meet.

Plan A. Arrange for visiting SB's.

Ideally find 2-3 SB's to visit me periodically throughout the year.

This has turned into a much more challenging prospect as I think many girls fear that I'm a creep, flake, or looking for an escort. I've been casting a wide net, but not too much progress. Many girls respond interested but when we get to logistics they stop responding. The ones that are ready to go are asking for 1000 a day and that's too steep. Those are probably pros I imagine.

Do you guys get verified? Do you get a better response?

Any guys with more experience with flying girls to you have any pearls of wisdom?

[HollywoodGuy]

Wanted to say hi to everyone and been reading the forum first. Still haven't decided in which site to start. I live out in Michigan, not sure if there that many potential SB compared to Richmond, Virginia area. Only thing I know are the strip clubs here are much better than other states. In terms of extra. Tired of that scene and it is not cheap. Has any one had luck in Michigan? Or are certain states or city provide greener pasture than others?

Looking forward for some guidance and will contribute value back to the forum.

J. Draven

I say the pasture is as green as you make it. You would think a bigger city would be better, more girls etc. But I talk to girls around the country and it seems that in the smaller areas the girls are literally starving for attention. So don't let that stop you. What city you in?

[John Draven]

Wanted to say hi to everyone and been reading the forum first. Still haven't decided in which site to start. I live out in Michigan, not sure if there that many potential SB compared to Richmond, Virginia area. Only thing I know are the strip clubs here are much better than other states. In terms of extra. Tired of that scene and it is not cheap. Has any one had luck in Michigan? Or are certain states or city provide greener pasture than others?

Looking forward for some guidance and will contribute value back to the forum.

J. Draven

[HollywoodGuy]

t may be that nothing comes of it except some awesome daydreams, and of course yogic enlightenment, and I'm fine with that. I have other young pussies to attend to.

Nothing like fucking one SB and thinking of another. These girls provide way more than enough fantasy materiel to never bother with porn. LOL

[BikeRider]

So I know I've told you all she is Asian, Japanese as it turns out (I've stalked her just a bit LOL) , so she has that thing where she has very little, if any, body hair. She is as slick as a little otter.

Good heavens,

Scott

Important information. If she grew up in the US, then you still need to determine if she's flirting or being nice. If she grew up in Japan, you just won the lottery. Japanese women tend not to engage like you've described unless they're interested (unless they're westernized). The best year of my life was when a Japanese TV actress asked me out!

When the time is right don't ask her out. Tell her you're taking her out. Lots of guys will say "would you like to X". Instead say "Let's go do X". Its a subtle difference, but it makes a huge difference. Most women like men who are confident and make decisions. Since you've stalked her, take her for a smoothie between classes (no pun intended).

As for your observations about hot yoga, you're absolutely right. A former FWB (Cantonese) in LA a few years back was a hot yoga instructor. I'd attend her class when I was in town, and I was usually the only guy there. She was bisexual so we'd often talk about the eye candy later that day / night in bed!

[F Scott]

So I know I've told you all she is Asian, Japanese as it turns out (I've stalked her just a bit LOL) , so she has that thing where she has very little, if any, body hair. She is as slick as a little otter.

Good heavens,

Scott