"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**BigTigger** · 07-24-13 18:32

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Brothers,

I may be dim, but I have always struggled to understand the difference / definition between UTR and non-pro. Is it a question of semantics, approach, self-definition, or what? According to my research, a non-pro is desirable, but a UTR is not, but it seems like they might be interchangeable, or am I just not getting it?

I await enlightenment,

Scott.

And PS, I know what "UTR" means as far as an acronym, so please don't tell me to RTTF, LOL! I'm looking for precision here, not Broad Brush.

Peace.

They are very close indeed. I'd venture the following:

UTR: Is someone who is in it for the money, just doesn't want to advertise. She's the type that will let you refer friends.

Non-Pro: Is someone who needs the money, but wants more of a connection and doesn't want her information shared as she's not doing this as a profession.

**HollywoodGuy** · 07-24-13 18:32

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Brothers,

I may be dim, but I have always struggled to understand the difference / definition between UTR and non-pro. Is it a question of semantics, approach, self-definition, or what? According to my research, a non-pro is desirable, but a UTR is not, but it seems like they might be interchangeable, or am I just not getting it?

I await enlightenment,

Scott.

And PS, I know what "UTR" means as far as an acronym, so please don't tell me to RTTF, LOL! I'm looking for precision here, not Broad Brush.

Peace.

A UTR is a pro on the down low.

**Zomby** · 07-24-13 18:31

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Brothers,

I may be dim, but I have always struggled to understand the difference / definition between UTR and non-pro. Is it a question of semantics, approach, self-definition, or what? According to my research, a non-pro is desirable, but a UTR is not, but it seems like they might be interchangeable, or am I just not getting it?

I await enlightenment,

Scott.

And PS, I know what "UTR" means as far as an acronym, so please don't tell me to RTTF, LOL! I'm looking for precision here, not Broad Brush.

Peace.

For me, UTR has always meant a pro who doesn't advertise, or only advertises occasionally, or keeps only a few familiar clients and doesn't stray from them very often except in special cases.

Whereas a non-pro is just that. Might take some sugar, but doesn't acknowledge selling it per se, even though she is.

I consider the sugar baby I had to have been a non-pro. If she was doing others, she wasn't obvious about it so I would have called her UTR.

**Zomby** · 07-24-13 18:27

Somewhere along the line, someone was asking about the security of Google Voice with regard to hobbying. In short, it ain't secure at all. It needs your real phone number to connect calls and texts to your phone, which can be traced to you with a court order. It is true that you can use it without attaching it to any phone at all, but then you need to use a computer for everything, which activity can be traced as well.

It is however, a great convenience for the features, especially the number blocking,"Do not disturb" and different notification settings for different numbers.

You can't get away from a computer completely if you use an iPhone (neither the GV mobile web site, nor the iPhone app let you manage Google contacts, where you do all the good stuff about blocking and notifications) , but an Android phone may. I don't know about that, so you'd need to experiment.

Good luck.

**F Scott** · 07-24-13 18:14

Brothers,

I may be dim, but I have always struggled to understand the difference / definition between UTR and non-pro. Is it a question of semantics, approach, self-definition, or what? According to my research, a non-pro is desirable, but a UTR is not, but it seems like they might be interchangeable, or am I just not getting it?

I await enlightenment,

Scott

And PS, I know what "UTR" means as far as an acronym, so please don't tell me to RTTF, lol! I'm looking for precision here, not Broad Brush.

Peace.

**HollywoodGuy** · 07-24-13 17:54

I like the nando scale. It really made me re-evaluate some of my choices.

This rating system is only my own. It is actually far more nuanced, but kept brief for easy reading.

1. Girls that go on the SD sites just to fantasize. Could be any age but mostly younger. OMG time wasters.

2. GPS girls. Enough said.

3. SW's or Escorts. If thats what you like, who am I to judge.

4. Wannabee's. Not good enough looking to be an SB. They're willing, you're not.

5. Dancers. Even though I date one. I met her before she became one.

6. UTR girls. Sometimes refered to as booty call girls. Smart escorts or even SW's will try to pretend they are UTR.

7. MILFS. They are all over the place as far as needs / wants / desires. But not too difficult to bag.

8. Older non pros. Statistically most SD's want 27 to 35 year olds.

9. Younger non pros. 22-26. They already have a few ideas and a little mileage.

10. Very young non pro first timers. 18-22. Never took cash or gifts from anyone ever, you are the first.

As far as age / race / skills / personality / body type / facial beauty / hair / overall style. Everyone here has their own ideal.

I find that harder to rate and see no reason to.

**FredMoore** · 07-24-13 11:02

So here is how things have lined up this week

ATF #1

10/10/10/8 Since we've renewed our relationship things are pretty good. She doesn't like to kiss so I have downgraded her to an overall 8. Otherwise she is a perfect 10. Her body is AMAZING! It is truly a joy to watch her in the nude.

Backup Babies (BB) SB #1 and 2 got the pink slip this week. They are too expensive for the mediocre experience. They are both BBWs and carry a little too much weight for me. They are both willing to provide on call services so if things got desperate I could always do that.

POT # 1 is on deck tonight for a M&G and is a 80% FC. She is a 28 yr old WF 8/9? She has kids and requires a hotel, so I am giving her $300 total which includes FC, gas, and sitter. Unfortunately she can only stay a few hours to play. But that should be enough to get the job done (hand, face, and vagina) If she is loving she could take the place of ATF in the lineup. Emotional connectivity counts for a lot even over a perfect 10.

SB # 1 is a 9/9/9/7 She is 22 with a blisteringly good body and cute face but has a baby and smokes heavily. So the overall experience is so so. If she lived closer I would make her a fuck buddy.

So there it is. I have 2 sure things and 1 almost in the bag. Three is the most I can afford and service properly and still take care of family and work business.

**Hernando** · 07-23-13 22:26

I third that motion

**BigTigger** · 07-23-13 21:51

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

I am not trying to be obtuse, nor trying to be an asshole, but I am confused by the current dialogue about a pay-per-view camsite where you can "chat", in a group, with European women on your computer, while there are perfectly obtainable, domestic babies who you can actually fuck in real time!

To each his own, of course, but is this the proper venue for a "virtual sex" discussion? I, for one, would be very reluctant to book a flight to Prague to see someone who I had only "met" via her webcam.

Feel free to disagree,

Scott

I definitely Agree!

**F Scott** · 07-23-13 20:53

Gentlemen,

I am not trying to be obtuse, nor trying to be an asshole, but I am confused by the current dialogue about a pay-per-view camsite where you can "chat", in a group, with European women on your computer, while there are perfectly obtainable, domestic babies who you can actually fuck in real time!

To each his own, of course, but is this the proper venue for a "virtual sex" discussion? I, for one, would be very reluctant to book a flight to Prague to see someone who I had only "met" via her webcam.

Feel free to disagree,

Scott

**Looking16** · 07-23-13 12:29

Originally Posted by Binder79 [View Original Post]

I've been on there for a long time, haven't used the card for 6 months, not blocked yet.

And for those who think these girls all do it because they need the money so badly, find one named DDDiamonds and ask her for a video tour of her Mansion there in Puerto Rico, Ask her to include the garage with her Mazzarati and her hummer. As well as the backyard pool and hot tub.

For those that think these girls are all rich. Chat with 100's of others. Just sayin.
(For those veterans on this board with legitimate posts to make. My apologies. I will not post about this again.)

**Binder79** · 07-23-13 08:22

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

As long as you can group chat for free it could be worth it sometime. And they don't ding your card. You might get a month or two free before they block your IP.

I've been on there for a long time, haven't used the card for 6 months, not blocked yet.

And for those who think these girls all do it because they need the money so badly, find one named DDDiamonds and ask her for a video tour of her Mansion there in Puerto Rico, Ask her to include the garage with her Mazzarati and her hummer. As well as the backyard pool and hot tub.

**HollywoodGuy** · 07-23-13 03:53

Originally Posted by Binder79 [View Original Post]

"The biggest advantage is seeing them live on screen and can decide in short time whether to pursue.

They are all in 'need of money' and would love a much easier life style."

The only problem with that is, if she gives out her personal contact information, she looses her job (if the site finds out). I can't imagine one willing to risk it, but if you "got game" enough, have at it man!

As long as you can group chat for free it could be worth it sometime. And they don't ding your card. You might get a month or two free before they block your IP.

**Binder79** · 07-22-13 14:51

"The biggest advantage is seeing them live on screen and can decide in short time whether to pursue.

They are all in 'need of money' and would love a much easier life style."

The only problem with that is, if she gives out her personal contact information, she looses her job (if the site finds out). I can't imagine one willing to risk it, but if you "got game" enough, have at it man!

**F Scott** · 07-22-13 13:12

Gentlemen,

I was working at home the other day, and had, among other things, my burner phone out on the desk, along with my real phone, calculator, and ipod. In other words, surrounding my laptop were a number of similarly-sized devices, when my SO walked in suddenly and unexpectedly, with no time for me to grab the burner without her seeing the motion. I pretty much wet myself at that moment, but kept my cool long enough to palm the burner when her attention was diverted.

I honestly thought there was no way she could not have seen it, and was walking on eggshells for the next few days. This happened last Wednesday, but since then all has been sweetness and light, so I now believe the Sugar Gods were smiling on me, and I am in the clear, thank the lord.

I did, in my panic, come up with what I think will be a more-than-plausible strategy should this ever happen in the future, which I would like to share with you all. Later on that day, I went to the drugstore and bought an identical pay-as-you-go phone to the one I use for Sugar Business, scuffed up the outside on the pavement, and threw all the packaging, including the battery, into the trash.

My thinking was this: if my SO was waiting to lull me into a false sense of security, then ask me about the burner she saw on my desk, my play would be that I found it in the parking lot, and was hoping to see if I could either figure out who it belonged to, or to see if I could use it myself, but the battery was missing, and I hadn't gotten around to throwing it out yet. I would then produce the "decoy" phone, hand it to her, and let her do with it as she wanted. Obviously, this would require a great deal of sange froid on my part, but I have rehearsed it enough in my head that I believe I can pull it off.

Since she has not said anything yet, I am holding on to the decoy against the time when I might slip up again, although I have to admit that the jolt of adrenaline I experienced when she walked through the door is not anything I want to feel again, ever. I am back to my standard safe practices routine, and have even found a new hiding place for my "kit" under the dashboard of my car, which my SO never drives.

I share this in the event that some of you may want to get out ahead of a potential situation by buying your own decoy phones and just hanging on to them. Mine cost $15, a staggering bargain compared to the cost of a divorce.

In the immortal words of Brother Revvo,

Be careful out there!

Scott