"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Dsprdo]

I'm still worn out from the weekend, and almost have more on my plate for this week than I can handle.

SB1 (tattoo baby). I had her over to the house last week, mostly to maintain ties. It had been two weeks since I had seen her. The sex is awesome still, and she seems to have grown attached to me as she was even more affectionate than usual. She has called and emailed several times since then, wanting to get together again, but I just haven had time. Her sugar amount is set at $.5, and I have found a couple of better deals. I don't want to cut her loose entirely, but I am reducing frequency. I think I will have to find time for her once this week, just to keep her in the mix. I'm going to classify her as a booty call baby.

SB2 (K-baby) We are set for our second visit to the bedroom tonight. The first time wasn't tremendous, there were a couple of contributing factors, so I am really hoping that there is an improvement tonight. She is sweet and a lot of fun to be around, just need the fireworks t go with that. We agreed to $$ per week and she wants to get together twice a week or more. We are making plans to go away somewhere this weekend. She will be a quality baby if the sex gets to where it needs to be.

SB3 (out of towner). This one is not really a SB as there was no sugar involved. We met through SD. Com while I was out of town on business and recently reconnected. I flew her in for the weekend (used frequent flyer miles) and we spent two days together. We had a great time, lounging by the pool, went to a show, and of course, in bed. I plan on flying out to visit her again next month. It is amazing to me that women you meet through a SD site can be converted to no sugar arrangements. I know she would like it to turn into a permanent relationship, but I suspect the distance involved will prevent that. In any event, it was a great weekend!

I am still mining SA pots, and have several on deck for this week.

POT1, 22 yo white 7/7/9. We met for lunch on Thursday but couldn't get together again right away because of my weekend plans. We have a trip to the FC scheduled for Thursday, and she has been very forthcoming in her likes and dislikes. She likes the "daddy / baby" talk and I'm expecting a wild ride. She wanted $$$, but I put $ out there from the beginning (Thanks HG) and after a day of emailing she agreed to it. I plan on giving her a little extra if she is as good as I think she'll be. She says she has had other SD's and I think she may turn out to be an UTR girl, but I'm going to have fun finding out. I'm not sure yet how I would classify her.

POT2, 24 yo white 7/7/8. This girl is a former dancer, so I'm leery, but she has been very open and communicative. She is bi and has a live in girlfriend, who she says knows all about this and has a side thing of her own with a guy. She expressed her openness for everything but anal, and says that she is very sexual. We are meeting for lunch tomorrow. We haven't discussed sugar specifics yet, I am very interested to see how this one plays out. I give this M&G a 50% chance of ending in the FC. Also not sure how to classify.

POT3, 29 yo white 7/8. This a bartender with self proclaimed "daddy issues". She looks a little rough around the edges, but her communication has been definitely promising. Says she has never had a SD, haven't discussed sugar yet but would not do more than $ for her. We have agreed to meet for drinks this week but haven't set the time yet. I think she is probably a booty call baby at best.

It's going to be a great week!

[GeorgeRichmond]

It's been over year as SD. First, let me say thank you for all the info and help on this forum. I learned hard way to become SD. And still learning. I did get burned few times by SB who cheated, took money and ran. So I gave up. Then I tried to be smart and play it safe based on this forum.

Year ago.

1. My first SB was WF in DC (2 hours drive) : Good looking 9/8/8 tall. First M&G went into having ultimate fun. Well, SB didn't care about my personal info. Until she started demanding more time and more money. Well, I closed the chapter and she kept asking for closing fees. And I declined. This is where, I should have been careful, not giving my cell number. She said she will come to my home to collect money. I used some tricks to avoid this. And got away with it. Moral: No personal info. Sharing.

2. Another SB: Average build, beautiful. 23 year old bartender. We had several M&G, some fun but nothing to ultimate stage. Kissing was ok. Well she found out my marriage status, again due to my cell phone sharing. Should have used Google Voice. But this got stopped. She was WF, beautiful. But little more body fat.

3. Local, WF. 22 year old 9/8/8 but with body piercing (which kind of not my type) but willing to go any extend. Lived in farm. And animals care-taker. Spent 2-3 months and again, she started demanding more money.

I don't know. My offers were pretty good. In several hundreds per meet and that also for few hours. Well, I said that's it.

4. 3. Had two M&G. Which went to hotel room but got robbed.

I said. That's it. This is not for me. Closed SA account and moved on.

Well, year later, SA started sending me emails. And few local hits. Came back again.

Last 3-4 months.

1. Local SB 30+ WF, average, divorced. With kids. Beautiful. M&g went to room and had good time. But. Too risky as she kept talking about her personal life a lot and lot more expectation. Decided not to continue and told her about it.

2. My ATF: Young 28, 7/8/8, height- 5. 3 may be. But very athletic. This is going well. 2-3 times now in last 2 months and hope to continue. Very keen on getting money upfront and counting infront of me. Which I don't like.

3. Midlothian SB: Young 30 yr old. She said not married. But with her number I found all the detail. She had a kid, prior marriage and baggage. M&G but decided not to continue. She kept begging though! Felt bad.

4. One more mixed, SB. 23 year old. Want to go to next level but demanding lot more. Well. Considering she is little overweight and 6/7/7, I told her my allowance will be half of what she expects. Boom. All communication turned. Off.

Out of town. Long distance.

Well. Then I started traveling to NJ. And ohh my. I tried to find locals for my business trip in New Jersey. And there are many POTs. I found two for my 3 day visit for evening time. One Spanish and another from Texas moved there. What a fun. Love it having long distance! My 2nd NJ POT, hoping to meet again and will report. As part of travel visits.

Well, I was on this site before. I am back with new userid. Because my prior username was very obvious.

Hope to contribute more.

[BigTigger]

Wow, it's hard to stay on top of things here. Like Scott the meeting with my ATF went well. She was looking good and after being out there for a while, realized how much I "get her". She want to try again and this time says she's much more sexual than before. I'll need to look up her callsign. For now she's MsPhD. She doesn't need the sugar but would like it to go towards some outstanding bills that she has. The problem is that it's my entire budget.

My real life has gotten kinda busy and I'm just getting settling in with 2 to keep me entertained and drained. I'm probably going to hold off on her for a few and stay in friend zone. It's possible one of these others will flake out on me.

I finally had the Tiggabounce with MsLifeGuard. It was just "ok". I'll try it a few more times, but she's clearly in UTR mode now. She had such potential.

The sexy MILFLatina hit me up via email letting me know that her normal boyfriend relationship did not work out and that she's available. I'll keep her on hold and use in case of boredom.

BigTigg

[FredMoore]

What a difference a day makes in this crazy business! Zero to 80 in 2 weeks. Every time I get desperate and impatient things eventually come around for a while anyway.

The bottom line is I am still looking for that ATF who will stick for a while. But I now have 3 SBs and 2 reasonable Pots.

SB #1 (rough baby)

She is a 9/9/9/7 WF 22 yr old HYM. On the positive side she is a willing recipient of my BB fluids, fairly loving, low maintenance, lives just far enough away, and has a banging hot body. On the minus she is a heavy smoker, lives in a ghetto, lives a few hr s away, and has a baby who never sleeps and is in the home. I am exhausted and smell of smoke when I leave her house. She would be a good hit and run booty call but lives too far for that.

SBs #2 &3 are willing to mix it up but are both chubby and are a little drive away as well. They are not exciting enough to keep in the lineup but are pot booty calls if I get needy.

Pot #1 (college girl)

Is a 21 yr old HCB 8/8? Who is in school and nannys part time. She seems very willing to play for pay and we decided on an allowance under $1 K / month for a weekly call. She is also OK with staying at her apartment but I think I'd better avoid other college kids. This school is a little too close for comfort going out on the town so will stay in and hopefully donate some body fluids to her BB Pussy. We have a M&G tomorrow.

Pot #2 (hot MILF)

Is a 28 yr old mother of 2 young babies. She is a 9/8/? So far. She sounds amenable to meeting for dinner and then the FC if all goes well She seems a little more finished than rough Baby She had a family crisis so will call when all is settled down.

ATF #3

Is communicating in a friendly and caring way but so far I don't see her wanting me back in the FC. IDK what happened? She said she feels weird accepting $$ for sex since I am obviously more emotionally involved than she is, yet complained about not having enough money this month. Hello! I am a willing contributor to make her life easier and she can't take a load for the cause? How hard would it be to receive her usual 3 O's for some significant gelt? I don't get it but it is her loss as well as mine. I think she has issues with pay to play but she is on the SA site plumbing for business so I guess I am not her kind of guy. She says she doesn't like sex but screams her brains out during our former sessions. Maybe she needs to keep it impersonal? Just venting

[HollywoodGuy]

This reminds me when I dated a stripper when I was 21 (late 70s) , she was 30 and had a Sugar Daddy in his 60s (no Viagra in those days). I was in the closet once when she rubbed his head, sat on his lap, and convinced him to cough up $3000, (that would be about 12k in todays money) all the while they were fully clothed.

More like a maple syrup daddy. LOL. My ATF MILF finally got her own house and a raise. And my "little princess" finally got a job (dancing, what else). And my live in is always trying hard to help out. Yet somehow I am still stuck at about 2k a month.

[Blak Casper]

. Apparently she is now living with the person she left me for, and has been all that time, but the SO is totally cool with her seeing me as well. Apparently she was telling the SO about me and how we used to go to this little park on the lakefront for picnics, and just suddenly realized how much she missed having me in her life! Theirs is an open relationship, so she said she was going to get back in touch with me and got the green light, even though my ATF was clear that it was going to be an intimate, physical relationship between us. And here's the astonishing part, she doesn't want sugar, just the occasional gift or meal now and then! Scott

This reminds me when I dated a stripper when I was 21 (late 70s) , she was 30 and had a Sugar Daddy in his 60s (no Viagra in those days). I was in the closet once when she rubbed his head, sat on his lap, and convinced him to cough up $3000, all the while they were fully clothed.

I'm saying this to say be careful thinking this "SO is totally cool" you don't know him or his motives.

If you're single disregard the above, if you're married don't let yourself be blackmailed.

[John HandCock]

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[Member #5570]

Nope. Just the pics. That face looks kinda like a dude. Trying to get a pussy pic.

[LikeMike1963]

Chatting with is girl / guy from SA.

I need you guys to let me know if this is a dude. My gut is telling me it is.

LOL.

Well lets examine.

Look at the breadth of the hips to the waist. Not male looking their. One point for girl!

Breast. Look real. And nice. Buuuuut. Could of been a really good surgeon. Hmmm. Calling this one a tie.

Neck. No adams apple that I can see. 1 point for girl.

Hands. Slender and small boned. Female like. Buuuuut. Looks like the ring finger is longer than the index finger which is usually (not always) a male trait. But women who have longer ring fingers are usually a little more dominant. (there is actaully a science to this involving hormones while in the womb. Anyway). So hmmm toss up on this one.

Face. Well I suspect this is what brought up the question anyway. Kinda butta face.

So. From the scientific analysis the answer is. I have no F*King idea. LOL.

TOFT and let us know. Hahahhaahh

[F Scott]

Chatting with is girl / guy from SA.

I need you guys to let me know if this is a dude. My gut is telling me it is.

Smoke,

I find the occasional AA baby can look a little masculine, but I see nothing too suspicious there. Ask her for a pussy pic flashing a peace sign or holding out three fingers; some pose that you suggest so she can't just pull a photo from the web.

There must be something other than her pics that is making the Spidey sense tingle?

Nando and Vroom,

Thanks for the kind words. I'm still a little tingly myself, honestly, but in a good way. The frustrating thing is that I have been having such great success in the Bowl lately. I think, mostly to keep things from heating up too fast with ATF, that I will continue to see the top few babies, and let the rest fall away, until I feel comfortable with my new reality. And Vroom, I am far from a studmuffin, but I'm told I can be quite charming at times LOL!

Nando, I completely understand what you mean about chucking it all and running away with your ATF. I often fantasized about doing the same thing, but I think now that my ATF is in a significant relationship with someone as well, the likelihood of that happening is slim, at least at this point. As I can attest, one never knows how things are going to play out. This could be just Act 2 in a three act play.

Yikes,

Scott

[Member #5570]

Chatting with is girl / guy from SA.

I need you guys to let me know if this is a dude. My gut is telling me it is.

[Varoom]

Gentlemen, The prevailing wisdom from all of you was to keep it light, easy, and hold my emotions in check so as not to scare her off, tip my hand, or otherwise give her an insight into my mindset in case it gave her an unfair advantage over me. All good advice, none of which I was able to put into practice!

I knew it! [ball busting in a Brotherly way]

Damn Scott, you are one lucky fellow, er should I say Scotty being the benefactor for the most part. You couldn't have imagined the transpiring of events, but that is what makes the hobby so much fun. The unpredictable. Glad to hear that you will be occassionally dipping into the golden well with your ATF and sans the Sugar. You must be a real studmuffin there Scottsman. Congrats on the news and events to come, or cum! Cheers, V

[Hernando]

Congratulations Scotty! I am so happy for you!

The danger for me in that situation with ATF is the complete rejection of my "real" life. I was not, and still am not able to, look at my SO in the proper emotional perspective. If my ATF were to return I would probably leave it all and run off with her. So if you want to keep your married life intact til "death do you part " then try real hard to keep a bit of yourself intact for your SO.

Just sayin'

[F Scott]

Gentlemen,

As you all know, I met with my ATF, who I had not seen or communicated with in over a year since she broke it off, on Friday for lunch. The prevailing wisdom from all of you was to keep it light, easy, and hold my emotions in check so as not to scare her off, tip my hand, or otherwise give her an insight into my mindset in case it gave her an unfair advantage over me. All good advice, none of which I was able to put into practice!

The minute I saw her, my heart just lept, and we held each other in a long, wonderful embrace, with a wonderful kiss, right on the street in front of the restaurant where we were having lunch. The first words out of her mouth were,"I've missed you so much", to which I replied,"you have no idea how much I've missed you!" So much for keeping my reserve.

The rest of the day was idyllic. We talked and laughed and touched each other lightly just like old times, and spent almost 5 hours sitting in the garden of the restaurant just enjoying each others company. Apparently she is now living with the person she left me for, and has been all that time, but the SO is totally cool with her seeing me as well. Apparently she was telling the SO about me and how we used to go to this little park on the lakefront for picnics, and just suddenly realized how much she missed having me in her life! Theirs is an open relationship, so she said she was going to get back in touch with me and got the green light, even though my ATF was clear that it was going to be an intimate, physical relationship between us. And here's the astonishing part, she doesn't want sugar, just the occasional gift or meal now and then!

As one of my brothers pointed out to me, this has the potential for being a long-term, stable relationship for me, as long as the roommate stays cool. Never in my wildest imagination would I have guessed this is the way this would all play out, but who am I to complain? There is a decidedly different feeling between us this time, which I can only describe as an increased maturity. It is as if, since she was the one who broke it off, and she was the one who resumed contact, there is a commitment on her part that was perhaps not there before, despite how long we were together. I'm still trying to play it a little cool, so as to not scare her off, and I guess I'll feel comfortable once we are able to meet again in the FC, but for now, as you can imagine, I am over the moon with happiness!

Nando and all you other brothers out there who have lost your ATFs, don't give up hope!

And thanks to all of you who have been so supportive to me over this. As I said, I could never have guessed this is how it would have played out.

Scott

[HollywoodGuy]

I read that and the only thing I could think of was "selection bias". I'd be interested in seeing a random sample of Americans across the entire spectrum of social, economic, politcal and religious strata of our society.

I need to go back and read the Kinsey report summaries again.

There were a few things I found interesting in there in spite of the demographics not being broken down more thoroughly, such as by age or race. My babies have been all over the map as regards to the amount of foreplay they want or how long they want to fuck at any given moment. Overall I found the babies in this survey to be quite adventurous. The one thing I have come to really enjoy as an oldster is having frank discussions about sex and being able to leverage my experience to nail down the young ones so to speak. Most girls know that the guys that talk the most talk don"t always walk the walk. So there is a fine line between convincing them of the returns they will get for their time with you and sounding cocky. I typically converse on the psychological as opposed to the physical aspects to convey my message as I believe short of a medical problem most women's ability to have awesome sex is 80% emotional and 20% physical.

As a younger man I always relied on my prowess to win the girls over and never understood the value and returns of romancing them (and didnt really give a shit). If you've got a true nymph you can sneak by with very little romance, but as I am now almost exclusively focused on the 18 to 21 year olds I find the overall confidence and empathy I project is getting me 50% of what I am looking for and the prowess the other 50%. So you can't really have one without the other.

Thats why I loved that show, Jersey Shore. Because after any girl has breezed through a few of those types they are primed for what we have to offer.

All women at some age (it could be 18 or 35) have a watershed moment (or moments) when their sexual potential is fully realized. I love to be the guy they share those experiences with.