"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Macbode]

I ask "Soo. How far do you think I can jam my cock down your throat". Hhahahahah.

I usually meet them in public several times then set up to meet then suggest next time we meet and have dinner at her place etc. And if all well simply ask if she is comfortable with an overnight. If so. Perfect and keep things reasonably normal. Then at some point before we meet again I amy ask some questions via text what she is comfortable with etc and go from there

I like to tell them I plan to take them up the ass while doing the wheelbarrow! Works every time!

[LikeMike1963]

I think that's right, Mike63. It depends on what you want. A long term SB should be treated differently from just another fuck. But let me ask you this: when you invite a girl to meet you alone in your bedroom or hotel room, and she accepts, what additional questions do you ask before you start unbuttoning her blouse?

I ask "Soo. How far do you think I can jam my cock down your throat". Hhahahahah.

I usually meet them in public several times then set up to meet then suggest next time we meet and have dinner at her place etc. And if all well simply ask if she is comfortable with an overnight. If so. Perfect and keep things reasonably normal. Then at some point before we meet again I amy ask some questions via text what she is comfortable with etc and go from there

[Literal2]

I think that's right, Mike63. It depends on what you want. A long term SB should be treated differently from just another fuck. But let me ask you this: when you invite a girl to meet you alone in your bedroom or hotel room, and she accepts, what additional questions do you ask before you start unbuttoning her blouse?

[LikeMike1963]

First. It all depends on what yo are wanting out of this situation. Are you really wanting an SB. To me. A true SB is a long term situation and may even have some exclusivity sexually. Or maybe you just like the challenge of bedding a non pro. My perspective is from my first point. My long term maybe a few mths to I had one for several years. So here is what I do. I always meet in public and let them know I have NO EXPECTATIONS after our first meeting. Lets just meet and have dinner. This seems to put them at ease. I also do not promise any gifts but do pay for dinner. I keep a $50 or $75 gift card with me. Maybe a visa or to a local salon. IF I do have an interest. Then I let her know I enjoyed meeting them give them a hug and give them the gift and say I hope we get to meet again. It has worked for me very well. So. Those are my pennies!

[Literal2]

So while paying up front is generally discouraged, it can still make the panties drop with a bit of patience and the right girl.

If a non pro enters your FC she is very likely to fuck you. Unless she asks for sugar in advance, after she is in the room, I think you are entitled to proceed (without force) towards fucking her. She can always say no.

[HollywoodGuy]

Even if paying upfront works out, it sets a bad precedent for the relationship. What will you do the next time she asks for money upfront, possibly an even more significant amount? I'd rather just screen for girls who allowed a more sensible payment arrangement, because then there'll be no chance of heart ache.

The Best thing is to do both at the same time. Tonite I had a hot 20 year old in my bedroom. Nothing happened. Didn't pay upfront except for a cheap dinner. She already knew I would pay $ if we did it. She chose not to. On the ride home I told her just txt me next week if you want to go for it. This girl obviously needed money and still we just talked, had a few puffs and I listened to her talk some more. She probly never thought of doing a 59 year old.

Tomorrow I have a sleep over with my new hottie that was all over me from the get go. 59 year old guy is now her fantasy date. Non-pro thinking can be fast or slow depending on the fantasy level. With Money only you never know, going with a hot older guy, instant chemistry and getting paid, thats a done deal

Then there is the girl you think you got to have so you advance a ducet or 2. Sometimes you get her and sometimes you don't, But these are the better class of girls. they are not ho's...

ho's always take the money... non pros might have to think about it.it might take 5 minutes , an hour or days.

[John G Smith]

Even if paying upfront works out, it sets a bad precedent for the relationship. What will you do the next time she asks for money upfront, possibly an even more significant amount?

Just tell her no. Be assertive. It's your money.

But the advantage of paying upfront or "outside" the bedroom is that it can sometimes make the arrangement feel more organic or "normal" to them. Some girls are willing to drop the panties but they have serious hang-ups about feeling like a prostitute. So if you detach the money from the bedroom then these girls will feel more comfortable. It's part of the reason quite a few SBs ask for a monthly allowance. I don't do monthly allowances anymore, but with some girls I might try to split the difference. I may cover specific bills (girl hands me her telephone bill and I pay it with a green dot card and etc). The other upside is that when this type of arrangement was working well for me, sometimes on the day of the meetup I banged her and I didn't pay her a single penny that day, I just bought dinner.

But yes, there is a danger of setting a bad precedent if you're not assertive. As mentioned before, a lot depends on the girl. If she's a Nando1, she'll probably keep hitting you up for money all the time, so you do not want to have this kind arrangement with them. Also if you get the vibe that the girl doesn't really want to have sex with you, then this type of arrangement is also bad because she'll keep asking for money but also trying to avoid meeting up often. I think this type of arrangement only really works well when you have an actual connection with the girl and she's "appreciative" by nature.

I'd rather just screen for girls who allowed a more sensible payment arrangement, because then there'll be no chance of heart ache.

That's fine. It's just there's a lot of guys fishing in that same pond of girls who have straightforward payment arrangements. Sometimes you can get an "untapped" SB if you're willing to be a bit creative with the payment arrangements and take a risk.

[Wnde8]

Even if paying upfront works out, it sets a bad precedent for the relationship. What will you do the next time she asks for money upfront, possibly an even more significant amount? I'd rather just screen for girls who allowed a more sensible payment arrangement, because then there'll be no chance of heart ache.

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[HollywoodGuy]

So while paying up front is generally discouraged, it can still make the panties drop with a bit of patience and the right girl.

My sentiments exactly.

[John G Smith]

Are you saying you gave sugar up front based on potentially getting in the panties and have not gotten in them yet?

This sounds like a game these hot chicks play and play well from the sounds of it.

Yep, I gave the sugar up front. It paid off with my ex-ATF a few months ago (at least initially). And yes, you're right hot-chicks play that game. But done just right, you can still make the panties drop on certain girls. Because they're so shocked that you're giving them money without expecting anything in the immediate return, the panties fly off within a date or two. So while paying up front is generally discouraged, it can still make the panties drop with a bit of patience and the right girl.

I think my problem was that this girl was too hot to pay up front. As you said, hot chicks play this game all the time. A girl who is a 9 or 10 in looks are used to guys giving them stuff and they've mastered the art of receiving without giving anything up. But the 6, 7, and 8 in looks girls paying up front can sometimes reap dividends because they're not used to guys constantly trying to give them stuff. But it's still a risk and you have be okay with the money never paying off. If you read my posts on the Collegiate Athlete SB while I was cautiously optimistic, I was fully aware that my efforts might not payoff and the whole thing was a speculative venture. I'm bummed that it didn't work out but I was aware of the risks I was taking.

The sister is going to get your wallet next and leave you with blue balls from the sounds of it.

The sister and I genuinely get along. She does work in a field similar to mind so we have quite a few common interests. And I'm not giving her a single penny nor has she asked for money. It's just platonic. However if it became something more then I wouldn't give any money until after I banged her. I learned my lesson from her sister.

Her logging on everyday should tell you the truth, but you want to believe your version of the truth, because you can't handle the truth.

Not sure what you mean. I admitted the fact that she was logging on to the SD site was a bad sign and was an indication that she wasn't really interested in me or possibly found someone else. Not sure what other truth there is.

But in the end, I did get played. I didn't spend a ton of money her, but I did end up spending more money on her than I would have preferred especially in the last week or so. But hopefully writing this experience will be useful to other members who may find themselves in a similar situation.

[FredMoore]

I was desperately addicted to my ex HCB and monitored the site the entire time I was seeing her. She continued to pop up on the site most of the time we dated. This drove me crazy and I didn't want to believe the truth. She was a multifucker looking for a broader market. I suppose she was becoming an URP (under the radar pro). What I failed to consider is that she was giving me Excellent value for my sugar and that I had no business wanting exclusivity because it didn't matter. All that mattered was how she made me feel when I was with her. Service is the key as in any industry.

If your SB stills logs on regularly she is talking to guys, either trying to add to her stable or upgrade to a higher paying SD. As long as she doesn't make you feel like a John and that she isn't acting like a hooker, then don't worry about it. It took me getting over that relationship to realize the tenet that most other guys here already know and follow. Score the pussy when and where available and don't worry about what they are doing.

[Blak Casper]

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1711623]Well I'm definitely in a different place than I thought would be a few weeks ago.

My long-term project in the Collegiate Athlete baby, basically turned from a MB (Maybe Baby) to a NWB (No-Way Baby). Things were progressing nicely and I actually met some of her friends and her sister. But then she asked for some more help that required a little more $ than usual. I obliged because I thought we were making progress. But then soon after when I asked just for some moderate levels of intimacy, she basically stopped talking to me. So she either is just totally opposed to have any meaningful physical activities or she found someone else (I did see her still logging into the SD sites almost daily). I'm disappointed because she was definitely a prize but I'm done with her for now. She doesn't understand the concept of a mutually beneficial arrangement and she probably just tries to string guys along for as long as she can. Ironically though, I'm still talking to her sister, haha. I actually I click very well with her sister who's a few years older. Too bad she has a boyfriend, but you never know. = Quote}

Are you saying you gave sugar up front based on potentially getting in the panties and have not gotten in them yet?

This sounds like a game these hot chicks play and play well from the sounds of it.

The sister is going to get your wallet next and leave you with blue balls from the sounds of it.

The only reason to meet a friend is after you have hooked her on sex with you and they may be participants in a 3some.

Otherwise all you are to them is the guy who gives money.

Her logging on everyday should tell you the truth, but you want to believe your version of the truth, because you can't handle the truth.

Now if you've been banging her, disregard some of the above.

[Literal2]

Amen to that, SubCmdr.

As for me, I ducked the stripper's rendezvous request and went back to her club and did the deed again. I have to admit I have some trashy tastes because I like lap dances from a hot, wet girl and its hard to get a non stripper to do them properly. Well, most of the time. There was an actress / model in LA a few years back I found on CL and she came to my room and wriggled around to music until her clothes fell off and then she wriggled around on my dick for a while. Unfortunately, I had just gotten a BJ from a stripper down the street and Mr Johnson didn't respond much to the actress. Its one of the missed opportunities I still fantasize about. But I digress.

My current stripper clearly wants to get out of the club and into an SB / SD relationship off site. I don't want to do this. Too much logistical and secret agent work required. I go through phases I guess.

[SubCmdr]

I'm technically not dealing with SBs according to our "amateur status" definition. But I've managed to get a personal touch with these UTR / Pro girls because I properly identified their rookie status and I treated them with respect.

Mr. Smith,

Before the self rationalizers get their panties in a knot. They need to realize the title of this forum is: Sugerbabies / Arrangements Amateurs or Not?

Mr. Literal opened the forum with that question in mind. So, IMHO your post is right on point because your are clearly making an arrangement. Furthermore I would argue that each and every person who is married has made a legal arrangement with their spouse. And if you don't think so then you have never been divorced. Hehe!

Go Deep, Go HAM and Prosper!

SubCmdr out!

[John G Smith]

Well I'm definitely in a different place than I thought would be a few weeks ago.

My long-term project in the Collegiate Athlete baby, basically turned from a MB (Maybe Baby) to a NWB (No-Way Baby). Things were progressing nicely and I actually met some of her friends and her sister. But then she asked for some more help that required a little more $ than usual. I obliged because I thought we were making progress. But then soon after when I asked just for some moderate levels of intimacy, she basically stopped talking to me. So she either is just totally opposed to have any meaningful physical activities or she found someone else (I did see her still logging into the SD sites almost daily). I'm disappointed because she was definitely a prize but I'm done with her for now. She doesn't understand the concept of a mutually beneficial arrangement and she probably just tries to string guys along for as long as she can. Ironically though, I'm still talking to her sister, haha. I actually I click very well with her sister who's a few years older. Too bad she has a boyfriend, but you never know.

As for my pot Doublemint SBs, I basically flaked on them before they flaked on me. I just got a vibe from the very sporadic contact that it was going to be more trouble than it's worth. Despite a recent notable exception, I'm getting better at sniffing out girls who have a high probability of flaking out. With me being married and a tight work schedule, I just don't have time to deal with girls who flake out at the very last minute on meets or don't know how to plan ahead a bit. I basically no longer deal with girls who take longer than 5-6 hours to answer my text or who I only hear from once in a 3 day period when we're set to meetup within a few days. If it's not possible to have fast communication, then it's probably not going to go well for me at least. I might give these girls another spin when they don't rank as on my Flake-O meter.

So now I have a couple of other prospects.

Young Stripper SB

This girl is a 18 year-old stripper. BTW, I've read up on all the stories on here and in other forums on how dating a stripper can be an exciting but also mind numbingly aggravating. I was about to toss her back into the lake when I found out she was a stripper, but I think because she's still young, she hasn't been hardened / jaded by the stripper life yet. Plus it seems she has a genuine interest in me and doesn't see me purely as an ATM. We made plans to meetup in the FC this weekend and she didn't seem too concerned about the money I was giving her. When I offered a modest amount to test the waters, she simply asked if we could meet on Sunday instead of Saturday since Saturday is the day she makes the most money at the club. What she makes at the club is 3-10x more than what I offered her, so I expected her to ditch me but she's still very much interested. Ironically I think she used the SD site more as a match. Com dating site rather than as a way to purely to get paid the highest dollar possible. It seems like she has daddy issues and she's primarily looking for a older guy to give her emotional support with financial support being secondary. But I guess we'll see how we connect this weekend. Her looks and body are flawless, and unlike the recent hotties I was seeing, I'm going to be banging this one right out the gate.

Escort Baby Duex

I have a bad habit of trying to have quasi-SB / SD arrangements with escorts. Usually I attempt this with someone who has maybe just posted 1-2 BP ads total and only been escorting for a couple months or less. I can usually tell when the girl is fairly fresh when they still have sex like a "normal" girl or they still seem a bit lost. With these girls I try to turn them into Escort babies. Essentially it just means txting them casually sometimes and getting them to do "off-menu" stuff and turning off the "hourly" timer. I'm not trying to get them to stop escorting entirely. But usually these girls I identified don't want to actually escort full-time. They prefer to be UTR and maybe build up a small reliable client base. So for low-volume new girls, my offer can be appealing because it gives them a way to retreat to Under the Radar. And it's appealing to me because it gives me a reliable backup option. I get the reliability of an escort when it comes to setting up the FC appointment and the flexibility of a SB in the bedroom with the time restrictions removed.

I basically call an escort an Escort Baby when I'm able to do the following:

- Text her to say "Hi" or she texts me to chat briefly.

- In the bedroom I can kiss her and other typical "GFE" type stuff.

- And the most important and defining quality, there's no specific time constraints on our meeting. I give her the agreed upon $ and we stay at the FC as long as I feel like (within reason). There's no 140 for a half-hour non-sense. It's 140 until I'm ready to go home.

Okay now that I got that preamble on Escort Babies out of the way, I saw an escort a few nights ago. We clicked pretty well, and in my mind I considered her as a possible candidate. But sugar daddy / sugar baby arrangements are still a tricky subject to bring up to an escort because if you're not careful, they may think you're trying to be their Pimp. So I actually didn't bring it up with this girl in person. But the next day, on a lark I decided to just throw the offer out there to her via text, I didn't really expect a response. But within a few minutes later she responded and was very interested. She wasn't 100% on all the details of a SD / SB arrangement was, so I had to explain some additional stuff to her. She basically texted me continuously for the next day and a half about random topics and she gave me her real name (or at least a name different from her Escort name). We're suppose to meet again this Saturday. I won't be giving her any more than her "escort rate" when I saw earlier this week and she already said she would do "off-menu" things. The final question is whether I can get unlimited time for the same $, we haven't discussed that yet. But it looks promising.

I've been surprised how quickly she opened up to me. But she said she doesn't do this often and was impressed how much a gentlemen I was. So whether you're dealing with SBs, Strippers, UTRs, Pros, and etc, just acting like a gentlemen can get you a lot more mileage and occasionally you may get surprised. With these two girls, I'm technically not dealing with SBs according to our "amateur status" definition. But I've managed to get a personal touch with these UTR / Pro girls because I properly identified their rookie status and I treated them with respect.

The past couple of months have been pretty crazy for me, so I have no idea where I'll be even 2-3 weeks from now.