"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**EuroInCincy** · 09-22-12 08:52

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

she wouldn't have sex at all or anything until I got a current STD test. Claimed she was a germ freak. And once I got the STD test everything would still be covered. S.

So do I rev up the warp engines and lay in coordinates to a new SB planetary system? Or should I give the current one a few more scans and probes before classifying it has uninhabitable for my needs?

The test sounds like some excuse to 'be your sb, but not commit' A civilization which is ruled by the 'rules of germs' does not really interface well with the explorers who adhere to the rules of "sugar and pleasure and relaxation"

The galaxy is large so grab the next 6/6 planet, there are plenty out there, and if not today, then next week. I have seen man new planets pop up on my scanners over the years. Some led to short cultural exchanges, she led to long term.

Safe voyage

**John G Smith** · 09-22-12 06:06

My time has been pretty limited so I haven't had a chance to give a summery of my 6/6 ISBE girl. But the short version is that when we met a couple of weeks ago, the initial date went pretty well. We had a good conversation and everything but I didn't get any lovin'. While initially she said we could get together at her place when I got there she back tracked and said her roommates would be a problem. Then later on she stated she wouldn't have sex at all or anything until I got a current STD test. Claimed she was a germ freak. And once I got the STD test everything would still be covered. So yeah two pretty big disappointments right there, but otherwise we got along very well so it was still a nice evening. She trusted me to drop her off at her parents house, so I didn't get the vibe that she was trying to push me away.

However a few days later, she basically stopped txting abruptly (we had been txting multiple times a day until then). I didn't contact her and I wanted to see how long it would be before she sent me a message. It ended up being close to 5 days and during that time I saw her log on to the SD site. So I figured she found someone with a bigger wallet. I eventually asked what was up and she apologized and said she was trying to figure out her living situation. She basically got booted from her roommates apartment, dropped out of school, and moved back in with her parents. Okay so she had a lot of stuff going on, but I didn't really appreciate going onto the SD site without txting me. I'm not naive, I just as us guys check up on other pot SBs, I know SBs do the same thing. However if a SB I'm seeing has time to browse on SA or other SD sites, then she has time to send me a txt message if that's our routine.

Furthermore, since she moved in with her parents she now lives a little further away and I'm obviously going to have to book a hotel.

So she basically dropped from a 6/6 to a about a 3. 5/6. I figured I'd get some advice / opinions from my brothers here. Should I go through the trouble of getting a STD test and dealing with the other setbacks? She's hot and our personalities do click fairly well. Also she claims she's pretty freaky in the sack. But I'm just wondering if she's more trouble than it's worth. I'll go through the trouble of a STD test if we're going to be doing uncovered activities, but just for to have covered activities? Come on. And while the initial allowance she wanted was fairly modest, my CPO is increasing noticeably because her place is a no-go and she's talking about going to day spas and such. And with her out of school and not working, she might be venturing to nando1 territory and will keep looking for other SDs since she now has a lot of time on her hands.

While I've been pondering on her, I've also been looking at some other pot SBs. I might meetup with a hot college Asian SB next weekend who was happy with my sugar offer and also might make her place available. Also our txt conversations have gone well. She lives about the same distance as the other SB, but I'm hoping this girl will have less hoops for me to jump through for me to get some nookie.

So do I rev up the warp engines and lay in coordinates to a new SB planetary system? Or should I give the current one a few more scans and probes before classifying it has uninhabitable for my needs?

**JoesParty** · 09-21-12 18:38

It seems as though just about everybody's had some trials lately. Is it something in the water? The change in seasons? Or simply the fact that, as we increase reporting our activities, the bad experiences are bound to come out of the woodwork? Just rhetorical questions, I suppose.

I, for one, have had my own challenges this week. I'd set three M&Gs this week in the hope of replenishing my little black book. The first went extremely well, culminating in my first ever first-date FC visit. The report is earlier in this thread.

The other two didn't go so well. In fact, they didn't go at all. I reported on Wednesday that my date for Tuesday never showed. Today's scheduled M&G was cancelled when the girl was called in to work a double shift to cover for a sick coworker. We've been trying to find an agreeable time for two weeks now, so I'm pessimistic we'll ever meet. In fact, I have another browser window open to SA at this very moment as I look for new prospects.

For all my troubles this week, though, I still had an unbelievable night with my 18yo HYB who is quickly approaching ATF status. We haven't been together long enough for her to earn that title yet, but there's very little (if anything) about her that I don't like.

Last night was an overnight, and HYB has been begging me for a while to take her a strip club. Because she's under 21, our choices were severely limited, but the one that allows 18-year-olds was perfect for a first timer, anyway. It's relatively no pressure, not rowdy (even though located in a college town), and pretty inexpensive. I've been a number of times when I was a club newbie, but I haven't been to this particular club in more than a year.

We had a great time. She saw her first naked women, which I think was pretty eye-opening for her, as she identifies as bi-curious, even though she's never more than kissed another girl. And it turned out to be a nice night for talent, as most were young, natural coed beauties. She also got her first lap dance, and the dancer was totally cool, allowing HYB to touch at will. I was there too, of course, and it was hot to watch. At one point, the dancer buried her head in HYB's lap, stuck her ass in my face, and grabbed HYB's tits in her hands. Afterward, HYB told me the dancer was tonguing her through her shorts. Very nice.

Needless to say, the visit paid dividends back at the hotel. I am utterly exhausted today, as there was very little sleeping to speak of. When we woke up and got ready to leave, I counted six condom wrappers around the room.

To top it all off, HYB said to me at one point during the evening: "I want to watch you have sex with another girl."

I am hooked on this girl (and hoping that she has hot 18yo friends willing to play with us), so much so that I question whether I need backup babies at all. But at the end of the day, it can never hurt to have possibilities, no?

Good luck this weekend, gents.

Regards,

Joe

**EuroInCincy** · 09-21-12 09:22

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

Euro I'm sorry for you that you lost your ATF.

. It might not work out anyway but they can never say you didn't warn them.

I know it's easier said than done. All of us married SDs are cheating by nature so it gets easier to play the lie unfortunately.

Yes the point I was trying to make. Some ATF's get too attached. Funny how she accepted that there was a wive and 'entrapped' me by enticing me with a 'perfect' SB. I have to be lucky she did this, . Because she got too attached. Which would mean she would have interfered with the home front in the long run. Lucky for me the home front knows about my escapades. But it would have been still a hassle.

And as many discussion have been about this, always make sure you can get some data to use in case this happens to make her move on.

Going on the new hunt "to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before." engines at warp 3, long range scanner turned on, drop out of cloaked mode start broadcast on all frequencies.

**EasyGoingJ** · 09-21-12 08:27

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Easy,

When I plugged the number into the SA search function, I almost fell off my chair! I have business that takes me often down to Asheville, and Susie is someone that I had spent a fair amount of time emailing back and forth with, in anticipation of meeting up with her on my next visit. She then fell off the radar, but my comment that I was immune to someone in your neck of the woods was clearly a little naive. Thanks, my brother, for the invaluable intel. I see she no longer is listing in NC, but I will scrub her from my cell and contact list to make sure I don't accidentally contact her in the future. Again, a request to the brotherhood. Out these bad babies with details. We all recognize this is a different league in terms of costs and rewards, and I am guessing none of us want to lose sugar needlessly.

I am currently back in my favorite city in the south, having just driven the 11 hours it takes to get down here, and am looking forward to a week full of work, billable hours, and babies.

As always, keep up the good work, and don't forget to write.

Scott

Wow Scott,

That is quite a coincidence, but she was in Charlottesville then away for awhile, I think SC and NC and popped up back here a few weeks ago I think, now in Richmond so if the numbers match that is the one. I will always list profile numbers in the future thanks to your suggestion.

If you are in Asheville I envy you I have seen some hot profiles there over the years, not too even start on Chicago, you lucky guy.

BTW : I really enjoyed your story about the goth / punk? Type from a few months ago. That was also I great example of why I always consider when meeting a HYB that this may well be a one night stand. I have had some steady arrangements last as long as two years, but there have also been the girls I have seen from 1 to 5 times and then gone, moved, decided lifestyle not right for her, got a steady bf, just gone, etc. This is a flighty bunch esp. In the early twenties age range I prefer, although I am moving that up to the more settled 30 somethings. I even saw one baby for about 5 years on and off based on whether her current bf was doing her right, her therapist's input, finding religion or some other guilt. I learned to just lie back and wait for her to come back around.

So a tip to my brothers, if you've got that hot baby in the FC make the most of the time, do it all, try it all, depending of course on her willing and eager participation. While you will probably see her again, and I think that finding the ideal regular baby is our goal, the fact is in this world, stuff happens, and you may not. I have learned that this is just how it is and have adjusted my mindset accordingly, just as much or more fun and a whole lot less angst and regret when it ends.

**Hernando** · 09-21-12 08:10

Euro I'm sorry for you that you lost your ATF. There is a lot of game playing going on and I have to admit that I monitored my ATF last year because I didn't want her double dipping. So the bottom line is to be up front with them as to your desires and intentions. It might not work out anyway but they can never say you didn't warn them. Very early on with my ATF OAO (one and only) I still saw a few hookers and worked SDFM, but I realized that she was so perfect for me that 1) I needed all the play$$$ to see only her and 2) it wasn't worth losing what I had for an extra strange roll in the hay. It's too bad that we can't look at our wives that way. Maybe Brandy has the right idea.

I know it's easier said than done. All of us married SDs are cheating by nature so it gets easier to play the lie unfortunately.

**Spitfire** · 09-20-12 22:11

Hi Everyone,

It's been a while since I've posted, I'm happily on month 10 with my one and only SB. However, I had introduced a friend to this world. He tried both SD4Me and SA. He fell victim to the 'send me something up front' scam. I had warned him against sending money before meeting, but he let little head do his thinking. This is the first one he had even corresponded with! I'm passing on the profile IDs involved so that none of you fall victim.

SA. Profile = 1185001.

SD4Me. Profile = 2393777.

Good luck and I hope you're all doing well!

**EuroInCincy** · 09-20-12 16:52

Ok so I have had this good 18 yr old (SB-perfect) now for close to 9 monhts, very eager and very accommodating. But she went of to college 3 hrs away, so the visits became quite infrequent.

I had let my SA membership expire, yes I got the occasional winks, emails but after looking to the profiles I kept saying nah not worth it. Until until about a week ago. I got an email and I though ok nice. But not worth it. Then 2 days a later another email from the same one, locally, cute, right age, right words in her profile. So I decided to renew, and started the pursuit. All went very smooth, but she kept insisting on only email. Should have been red flag 1. Which 21 yr old does NOT want to text. Then after a bit I was able to get her to yahoo messenger for a bit more interactive conversations, still she had every point, quality I needed. I asked for a few more pics and I got 2 more. So we set up a coffee date. I go to the location, she is not there after 15 minutes, and I get a text. Ok must be her, no. It was SB-perfect texting me "oh your new SB won't be showing up since she does not like a guy who cheats "

WOW so SB-perfect had gotten too attached.

**JoesParty** · 09-19-12 10:17

The first interview with a HYCB was a no-go yesterday, as she failed to show. I confirmed the day and time, checked that she was on her way, and she still stood me up. Called me two hours after our meeting time with the lame "I lost track of time and didn't answer your calls because I didn't have my phone near me" excuse."But you can drive an hour to come see me still tonight."

Bullshit. You lost your chance, sweetie. I have zero tolerance for girls who waste my time. If there's one thing I've learned in my time in the sugar bowl, it's that there are dozens of other eligible ladies willing to take the place of the one who just doesn't get it.

**F Scott** · 09-18-12 22:21

Originally Posted by EasyGoingJ [View Original Post]

Good idea Scott,

Her profile number is 623953, I will update if she changes or deletes. I treat my babies well and will not tolerate out and out thievery or other bad behavior that I associate more with a BP ad or a desperate garden tool with a bad habit. I would have probably made a gift to her if she told me she needed it so badly, I am fortunate and don't mind sharing what I have.

We all need to work together with both the good and the bad. Thanks to all my brothers on here, I've been playing for many years but have learned many valuable things reading here, wish I had more positive experiences to share.

J

Easy,

When I plugged the number into the SA search function, I almost fell off my chair! I have business that takes me often down to Asheville, and Susie is someone that I had spent a fair amount of time emailing back and forth with, in anticipation of meeting up with her on my next visit. She then fell off the radar, but my comment that I was immune to someone in your neck of the woods was clearly a little naive. Thanks, my brother, for the invaluable intel. I see she no longer is listing in NC, but I will scrub her from my cell and contact list to make sure I don't accidentally contact her in the future. Again, a request to the brotherhood - out these bad babies with details. We all recognize this is a different league in terms of costs and rewards, and I am guessing none of us want to lose sugar needlessly.

I am currently back in my favorite city in the south, having just driven the 11 hours it takes to get down here, and am looking forward to a week full of work, billable hours, and babies.

As always, keep up the good work, and don't forget to write.

Scott

**SubCmdr** · 09-18-12 12:53

Originally Posted by JoesParty [View Original Post]

All in all, she's an excellent candidate to keep on the roster for future occasional visits. If I'm going to "Stand and take my grade" as the Cmdr would say, I'd give myself a sold B. Hot MILF, sex on the first date, prospect for future romps at her place, but overpaid.

Joe,

My man! You caught the 3rd wire!

Your approach: Solid; Working the cougar angle eh? I like it!

Her appearance: 'This woman is hot'

Assessment of Nando class: Dead on.

Move to the FC on the first date: Impressive, plus bonus points for no discussion of sugar.

Sexual performance: 'After that, it was ON'

Sugar Amount: So you may have outbid yourself. You wanted to see her again. The sexual performance was solid. And you got an invitation to return with her hosting. That places her at ease, improves the quality of the experience, and is going to lower your CPO. So, put that extra sugar that you could have saved into intangibles / goodwill and roll with it.

You are too hard on yourself: A-

SubCmdr out

**JoesParty** · 09-18-12 12:23

Originally Posted by Exacta Picker [View Original Post]

Hi guys. I'm from the 757 but used to read the Richmond board as I got up there occasionally. I used to read this particular forum right after it started but it was, well, moribund as far as useful information. But I'm bored today and decided to check it out again. Holy sh*t! I am impressed! I'm a bit of a SD myself at the moment, having become the go-to for a local 22 year old who can't seem to hook up with anyone but me locally as she doesn't have a place. Plus, she's not exactly what I'm looking for and I like variety.

At any rate, I've been trying figure out what SA is? I've RTFFed but no one has referred to the site by name, and it must work as you guys are mining the hell out of it. I tried AFF and POF without any success, waste of $$. Thanks in advance for the info.

And, SubCmdr, your posts have me RTFLMAO.

Welcome back, EP. Believe it or not, this is the first thing I read every day. It's always full of info, and even in slow times, there's a laugh or two to be had.

SA = seeking arrangement. Com (remove spaces)

There are other sites, of course, and they tend to be regional at times. But SA I think is the largest.

**Exacta Picker** · 09-18-12 12:16

Hi guys. I'm from the 757 but used to read the Richmond board as I got up there occasionally. I used to read this particular forum right after it started but it was, well, moribund as far as useful information. But I'm bored today and decided to check it out again. Holy sh*t! I am impressed! I'm a bit of a SD myself at the moment, having become the go-to for a local 22 year old who can't seem to hook up with anyone but me locally as she doesn't have a place. Plus, she's not exactly what I'm looking for and I like variety.

At any rate, I've been trying figure out what SA is? I've RTFFed but no one has referred to the site by name, and it must work as you guys are mining the hell out of it. I tried AFF and POF without any success, waste of $$. Thanks in advance for the info.

And, SubCmdr, your posts have me RTFLMAO.

**EasyGoingJ** · 09-18-12 11:55

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Not that it effects me, since I am in Chicago, but I think some of our bretheren would appreciate an exact profile # on this bad, bad baby. I am pretty sure this is not against Jackson's rules, and it would be extremely useful to our local chapter.

Peace,

Scott

Good idea Scott,

Her profile number is 623953, I will update if she changes or deletes. I treat my babies well and will not tolerate out and out thievery or other bad behavior that I associate more with a BP ad or a desperate garden tool with a bad habit. I would have probably made a gift to her if she told me she needed it so badly, I am fortunate and don't mind sharing what I have.

We all need to work together with both the good and the bad. Thanks to all my brothers on here, I've been playing for many years but have learned many valuable things reading here, wish I had more positive experiences to share.

J

**JoesParty** · 09-18-12 10:39

With the ATF serving an indefinite period in the penalty box for playing me like a chump lately, I decided to fire up the SA account and start fishing again. I still have my nice 18yo HYB in my back pocket, but I crave variety. I've therefore set up a series of interviews this week to replenish my little black book, and, with some luck, find my next favorite.

Interview #1 was last evening after work. At 43, she's the oldest Pot I've met. She sounded nice on the phone, and from what I could glean from our conversation, she is divorced, has kids, and a stable career. She only had one pic on SA, but it was nice. Definitely MILF material. We met at the bar of a casual chain restaurant for an introductory drink.

This woman is hot. Keep in mind, gents, that I'm mid 30s, so 43 theoretically is at the edge of my comfort zone. But she's slim, toned, and has great features. Needless to say, the interview started well.

We talked for about an hour. She does seem to have her shit together. She says she normally trolls the legit dating sites but that she isn't looking for a relationship now, just fun. We never discussed specific sugar, although she dropped lots of hints that she expected to be well compensated for her time. At this point, I had to decide whether I should take a risk, and if so, for how much, or just cut her loose after the M&G.

I e-mailed a trusted brother but unfortunately did not hear back in time. In any event, I decided to take the plunge. We went to a hotel down the street, got another drink at the hotel bar, and headed upstairs. This is the "first" for me: the first time I've gone to the FC on a first interview.

After that, it was ON. She quickly shed her clothes and told me to take off my pants. Excellent; I like a woman who takes charge. She showed me a good time, and after I returned the favor, I knew she was enjoying herself by the large wet spot on the bed. Multiple positions ensued, she enjoyed herself a couple more times, and I had a big finish.

I decided to slip her sugar at the high end of my scale, because I would like to see her again. Turns out, I outbid myself (I know, I know) because she called almost immediately after we were headed our separate ways to tell me she had a great time and looks forward to our next meeting, which she offered to host at her place.

All in all, she's an excellent candidate to keep on the roster for future occasional visits. If I'm going to "Stand and take my grade" as the Cmdr would say, I'd give myself a sold B. Hot MILF, sex on the first date, prospect for future romps at her place, but overpaid.

Interview #2 is set for this evening with a HYCB; Interview #3 is Friday with a 27yo girl-next-door type. It's a tough job, but someone has to do it.