"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[SubCmdr]

Her friend is 19, student, blonde and hot.

Blonde is on SA. Profile 1154604 Name: Mary Location: Columbia, MD. I cannot find Brunette's profile.

I think it is good policy to out bad babies. The only problem with profile #'s is that they can cancel them and and resurface.

SubCmdr out

[F Scott]

I guess she burned everyone she could here in Charlottesville, see my cash and dash report below, I noticed she has moved her profile location to Richmond so watch out guys. Very promising talker, but desperate like someone on BP with a bad habit. Her profile pic is an overhead shot of a girl in a bikini with a blurred face. Careful guys. May be working as waitress, too heavy and clumsy to dance she told me, at paper moon with name Ginnie.

Not that it effects me, since I am in Chicago, but I think some of our bretheren would appreciate an exact profile # on this bad, bad baby. I am pretty sure this is not against Jackson's rules, and it would be extremely useful to our local chapter.

Peace,

Scott

[RiverCity2011]

Ha, I see where she writes that she "loves Spankings" in her profile. Nice!

I would love to know anything about Anne in Glen Allen,

Profile Number. 860835 (Sugar Baby. F)

Age 41 from Glen Allen, United States.

Username:

Anne.

City / State:

Glen Allen, Virginia.

Country:

United States.

Age:

41 years old.

Height:

1. 63 meters (5' 4")

Body Type:

Slim.

I guess she burned everyone she could here in Charlottesville, see my cash and dash report below, I noticed she has moved her profile location to Richmond so watch out guys. Very promising talker, but desperate like someone on BP with a bad habit. Her profile pic is an overhead shot of a girl in a bikini with a blurred face. Careful guys. May be working as waitress, too heavy and clumsy to dance she told me, at paper moon with name Ginnie.

[EuroInCincy]

A cute young one willing to try everything and all she wants, is some drinks, dinner a stay in a hotel, and won't blink if anybody looks and you introduce her as "my wife' or "my mistress approved by my wife" to shut the looks up.

Who thinks you have dome more than she deserves by finding another female for a night, so she canner her first female-female play.

They are there, just need to go through a whole fleet of nando 1, 2 etc.

[EasyGoingJ]

I guess she burned everyone she could here in Charlottesville, see my cash and dash report below, I noticed she has moved her profile location to Richmond so watch out guys. Very promising talker, but desperate like someone on BP with a bad habit. Her profile pic is an overhead shot of a girl in a bikini with a blurred face. Careful guys. May be working as waitress, too heavy and clumsy to dance she told me, at paper moon with name Ginnie.

[HollywoodGuy]

Sometimes our reach exceeds our grasp, and that was what happened to me on Friday. I had a double header lined up, one with a 19 year old who turned out to be a Nando 1, and another with a 22 year old Nando 3 who likes it rough and, relatively, cheap. These were both first dates, with Nando 1 suppossed to go down at 1, and Nando 3 at 4 on Friday afternoon.

Long story short, I'd been flirting back an forth with Nando 1 for about a week, and we agreed on Thursday to meet Friday afternoon. That morning, she sends the "how much" email, and I told her I could provide $, with an extra. 2 to cover her gas. She writes back to inform me that she never meets for less than $$$, but being a longtime follower of this forum I know that is BS. I tell her that I could meet in the middle at $$ (thinking with my little head, because her pictures were incredibly hot). She agrees to this (a little too quickly) , and by 11, time and place are locked in.

I get to the FC and check-in at 12:55, feeling frustrated to be so rushed. Not to worry. At 1:15 I get a text that she's "heading over," which concerns me because I was downtown and she was in Ashland (a solid 20 miles, for you non-Richmonders). I stew a little, and at 1:50 I finally get the knock on the door. She comes in, we small talk for a few minutes (since we'd never met before) , and then get down to business. We make out for several minutes (I just love kissing a new girl) and then she goes downtown. A few more minutes of head (I mean. 20 or 30 minutes. Yeah, that's it) and I CIM. She swallows (points for her) and we play with each other's bodies before I return the favor.

After I give her a couple Os, I hit the head and go to pour us some more wine, but when I come back. She's getting dressed! We've been together MAYBE 30 minutes at this point, but she says her GF is waiting in the lobby and has to get back to babysit her (the GF's) nephew. I'm disappointed (I was planning to be with her until at least 3) , but obviously I'm not going to prevent her from leaving if she wants, so I go to my bag and give her $.

She gets pretty upset, and says we agreed on $$. I acknowledge that, but also point out that we'd agreed on 1:00, she'd been with me for less time than she'd been late, and I still have at least one more O left in me that I was hoping to enjoy. She says that "wasn't the deal," but I tell her firmly that she needs to go. After she leaves the room I hastily make an exit out the side of the hotel (I don't like that her friend is waiting downstairs).

I get to my car and leave, then pull into a restaurant a few blocks away to check my phone and confirm my next date. I have a text from Nando 3 that her job is keeping her until 6, and she's very sorry but she has to cancel. FML.

So, did I screw Nando 1 over, or was I too generous to even give her $. I am having a hard time with this, as she did show up and I at least got some relief. However, I don't think anyone (especially not any SD's) believes that half an hour and some head is what an "arrangement" is all about. Especially for a SB who "never meets for less than $$$."

I'd love some opinions, especially from Mandy, about how I handled this and how I might have handled it better.

Dr. Feelgood

I go for the shy but out control slutty girls. I have a lot a misses. But one out of 5 is a repeater. I only pay $ and do get a lot of turndows. But I also get 2 new girls a week that have agreed to enough terms for a first date. In a year thats a 100 girls. Thats like saying you got 20 regulars if you want them. So one bad experience just put one step closer to a good one. And of course the good ones get better. Somtimes. LOL

[SubCmdr]

So, did I screw Nando 1 over, or was I too generous to even give her $. I am having a hard time with this, as she did show up and I at least got some relief. However, I don't think anyone (especially not any SD's) believes that half an hour and some head is what an "arrangement" is all about. Especially for a SB who "never meets for less than $$$." I'd love some opinions, especially from Mandy, about how I handled this and how I might have handled it better.

Dr,

It's really only important that you feel good about how you handled it. IMHO it was a generous gift. She was worth no more than half of what you gave her. Don't let the wool get pulled over your eyes. You were dealing with a garden tool that has internet access. And your sugar amount should reflect that fact. From this point on, make a complete assessment of who you are dealing with. Let a SB with GPS walk! Figure out where the SB is on the Nando scale before you meet up. Just because a garden tool has a gold plated handle does not mean you aren't going to use it dig in the dirt like all of your other garden tools. I gave Mandy a saying that I use and she passed on: "Don't expect sugar baby treatment if you roll up on me like a garden tool." I get turned down all the time because of my low sugar offers. But I've also had them accepted and hit the jackpot (like with HMM).

As for the early exit. I would have told her that until I'm completely satisfied there is no sugar. What is she going to do? She doesn't know a thing about you. She is pressed for time. With you holding out the clock continues to tick. What is her friend going to do? Goto the front desk and say "Excuse me, my friend went to see the guy in room X and she has not come out yet." She treated you like a punk man. She only deserves to be treated like a lady if she is acting like one. She doesn't leave the room if your dick is still hard!

I may not always make the best decisions. But I can tell you one thing, I never operate out of fear. You are the bank. They need the loan. Make them put the work in. Next time tell her to drop her panties and bend over. Work that nasty thing until you bust up in it! I roll strictly with the hard working Nando1's. If you like the trailer trash, hood rats and 'round the way girls like me, you better learn how to handle them or you're going to wake up in a ditch.

SubCmdr out

[FeelGoodMd]

Sometimes our reach exceeds our grasp, and that was what happened to me on Friday. I had a double header lined up, one with a 19 year old who turned out to be a Nando 1, and another with a 22 year old Nando 3 who likes it rough and, relatively, cheap. These were both first dates, with Nando 1 suppossed to go down at 1, and Nando 3 at 4 on Friday afternoon.

Long story short, I'd been flirting back an forth with Nando 1 for about a week, and we agreed on Thursday to meet Friday afternoon. That morning, she sends the "how much" email, and I told her I could provide $, with an extra. 2 to cover her gas. She writes back to inform me that she never meets for less than $$$, but being a longtime follower of this forum I know that is BS. I tell her that I could meet in the middle at $$ (thinking with my little head, because her pictures were incredibly hot). She agrees to this (a little too quickly) , and by 11, time and place are locked in.

I get to the FC and check-in at 12:55, feeling frustrated to be so rushed. Not to worry. At 1:15 I get a text that she's "heading over," which concerns me because I was downtown and she was in Ashland (a solid 20 miles, for you non-Richmonders). I stew a little, and at 1:50 I finally get the knock on the door. She comes in, we small talk for a few minutes (since we'd never met before) , and then get down to business. We make out for several minutes (I just love kissing a new girl) and then she goes downtown. A few more minutes of head (I mean. 20 or 30 minutes. Yeah, that's it) and I CIM. She swallows (points for her) and we play with each other's bodies before I return the favor.

After I give her a couple Os, I hit the head and go to pour us some more wine, but when I come back. She's getting dressed! We've been together MAYBE 30 minutes at this point, but she says her GF is waiting in the lobby and has to get back to babysit her (the GF's) nephew. I'm disappointed (I was planning to be with her until at least 3) , but obviously I'm not going to prevent her from leaving if she wants, so I go to my bag and give her $.

She gets pretty upset, and says we agreed on $$. I acknowledge that, but also point out that we'd agreed on 1:00, she'd been with me for less time than she'd been late, and I still have at least one more O left in me that I was hoping to enjoy. She says that "wasn't the deal," but I tell her firmly that she needs to go. After she leaves the room I hastily make an exit out the side of the hotel (I don't like that her friend is waiting downstairs).

I get to my car and leave, then pull into a restaurant a few blocks away to check my phone and confirm my next date. I have a text from Nando 3 that her job is keeping her until 6, and she's very sorry but she has to cancel. FML.

So, did I screw Nando 1 over, or was I too generous to even give her $. I am having a hard time with this, as she did show up and I at least got some relief. However, I don't think anyone (especially not any SD's) believes that half an hour and some head is what an "arrangement" is all about. Especially for a SB who "never meets for less than $$$."

I'd love some opinions, especially from Mandy, about how I handled this and how I might have handled it better.

Dr. Feelgood

[SubCmdr]

Sometimes the CPO calculation shouldn't be a straight $$ spent divided by cups of coffee ratio. You seem to have had quite a night on the town and undoubtedly enjoyed yourself there, even before you arrived at the hotel. If it makes you feel better about CPO, it would be reasonable to allocate some of those costs to the "fun" intangibles, rather than solely to the number of orgasms. We play with numbers like this all the time in the accounting world, which is further proof that number crunching is just as much an art as a science.

The thing about intangibles is that they often tend to pay returns when you least expect it, and you can tap that reservoir of goodwill when traditional sources of cash may be in shorter supply than normal.

I agree. How do you put a quantitative value on goodwill? That is why I like to keep the sugar amount low so for the special ones like ATF I can splurge and have a big night on the town.

So, far the forum has come up with four Sugar Baby Metrics. Two are qualitative and two are quantitative.

Qualitative.

Nando = A measure of quality referencing the Nando Scale (Hernado Post #779)

ISBE = Ideal Sugar Baby Experience (John G Smith. Post #1983)

Quantitative.

CPO = Cost per Orgasm (SubCmdr – Post. #1464)

TIH = Time in Hole (AOneFred7734 – #Post 1972)

The quality of the sugar baby experience should not be limited to a strict quantitative calculation.

When we returned to the room after our night on the town she jumped my bones. Not really being prepared for that type of reaction, I excused myself and went to the bathroom. I come out of the bathroom to a completely darkened room. She was standing in front of the full length window and basking in the warm glow of the city lights. I approached her, kissed her neck and she said 'I just love this view'. Her panties hit the floor, she was already wet and the evening just got better from there.

Intangibles indeed.

SubCmdr out

[SubCmdr]

I know we say some crazy stuff in L. A. But what the f is a Nando 1.

Nando = A measure of quality referencing the Nando Scale (Hernando. Post #779)

SubCmdr out

[HollywoodGuy]

I know we say some crazy stuff in L. A. But what the f is a Nando 1.

[HollywoodGuy]

Sometimes the CPO calculation shouldn't be a straight $$ spent divided by cups of coffee ratio. You seem to have had quite a night on the town and undoubtedly enjoyed yourself there, even before you arrived at the hotel. If it makes you feel better about CPO, it would be reasonable to allocate some of those costs to the "fun" intangibles, rather than solely to the number of orgasms. We play with numbers like this all the time in the accounting world, which is further proof that number crunching is just as much an art as a science.

The thing about intangibles is that they often tend to pay returns when you least expect it, and you can tap that reservoir of goodwill when traditional sources of cash may be in shorter supply than normal.

I have to limit myself to one O per session. 2 is rare. But at 58. Thats what you got to look forward to. Or skip a day here and there. LOL

[JoesParty]

Had another insane night with my HMM (Hot Mexican Momi). She arrived high as a kite. Had on a mini dress and her "hooker heels" her expression, not mine. Hit the hotel. She was impressed with my choice. Dinner. Then her favorite downtown night spots. Got to the hotel and she showed her appreciation late into the night and the next morning. Our date rolled into the early afternoon. Ending after a brief shopping trip. I did not get back home until 4 PM. Turned out to be an expensive evening with my CPO way out of line. But damn it was worth it! I am sprung on the kat. Since she is my new ATF, I'll cease my reports on her until something changes so I won't bore the group.

Got a young (23) tall (5'9") one in a holding pattern for today. Not sure if it would just be anti-climatic after last night. She is a rail, with tiny tits but a fat ass. For being so young she can really fuck.

SubCmdr out

Sometimes the CPO calculation shouldn't be a straight $$ spent divided by cups of coffee ratio. You seem to have had quite a night on the town and undoubtedly enjoyed yourself there, even before you arrived at the hotel. If it makes you feel better about CPO, it would be reasonable to allocate some of those costs to the "fun" intangibles, rather than solely to the number of orgasms. We play with numbers like this all the time in the accounting world, which is further proof that number crunching is just as much an art as a science.

The thing about intangibles is that they often tend to pay returns when you least expect it, and you can tap that reservoir of goodwill when traditional sources of cash may be in shorter supply than normal.

[Hernando]

Well, it seems the "W" has trashed my ATF HCB for good. It's been a week and I can't get a response back. I suspect being brought into the light of day and being forced to face the reality of what she was doing (fucking a married man for money) has cured her of me anyway. Sad, sad, sad! I was sooo happy when I was with her and would have run to her side if she gave me the slightest indication. OH Well. But now I am seriously horny and have seen my ATF at least twice / week or more for over a year. I need to get back in the game.

I am separating which will make playing easier since I won't have the warden watching my every move but the money is going to be tighter, so I have to be a little more selective and definitely not fall in love with any new ones. I was on SugDadforme and while my HCB was a 10, there were a lot of Nando 1s I encountered as well. I might try SA I hope my ATF doesn't go back to the sugar route. I really want more for her in life and no matter what you call this hobby it is still hooking.

[SubCmdr]

Had another insane night with my HMM (Hot Mexican Momi). She arrived high as a kite. Had on a mini dress and her "hooker heels" her expression, not mine. Hit the hotel. She was impressed with my choice. Dinner. Then her favorite downtown night spots. Got to the hotel and she showed her appreciation late into the night and the next morning. Our date rolled into the early afternoon. Ending after a brief shopping trip. I did not get back home until 4 PM. Turned out to be an expensive evening with my CPO way out of line. But damn it was worth it! I am sprung on the kat. Since she is my new ATF, I'll cease my reports on her until something changes so I won't bore the group.

Got a young (23) tall (5'9") one in a holding pattern for today. Not sure if it would just be anti-climatic after last night. She is a rail, with tiny tits but a fat ass. For being so young she can really fuck.

SubCmdr out