"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-08-12 12:13

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1539245]My brothers,

I find it ironic that the topic under discussion is "How to spot a psycho", since I have encountered three of them recently, and am asking that same question myself. I have come to the conclusion that there really is no way to tell in advance, since the babies craft their profiles as carefully as we do ours. The only thing, I have concluded, is to establish a list of best practices for staying under deep cover, and NEVER deviate. I offer my list, many of which have been suggested before, but perhaps having them all in one place will be helpful.

I got a vasectomy. Due to a pregnancy scare. Actually had a girl recently tell me she was pregnant. And I could confidently ask "whose the daddy, because I know its not me"

Make sure they have a green dot card. Find out if they have a bf, gf or husband. Do they drink or use drugs to excess. Where do they live exactly. Check I'd if they are teenagers. When was the last time they were tested. Do they have a kid.

I got caught with a 17 year old by LE in my car a few months ago. Luckily it was still pregame. And they let me go. Be safe because its easy to get complacent

**F Scott** · 09-08-12 11:34

My brothers,

I find it ironic that the topic under discussion is "How to spot a psycho", since I have encountered three of them recently, and am asking that same question myself. I have come to the conclusion that there really is no way to tell in advance, since the babies craft their profiles as carefully as we do ours. The only thing, I have concluded, is to establish a list of best practices for staying under deep cover, and NEVER deviate. I offer my list, many of which have been suggested before, but perhaps having them all in one place will be helpful.

1. Never reveal your real name; you can share your first name if you must, but never last.

2. Use a dedicated sugar email that seems like a play or variation on your sugar name, and nothing close to your real name.

3. Use a dedicated, pay as you go phone, and keep it in the same hiding place all the time. I have to admit I am a little lax about this from time to time, and have had more than one attack of icy bowels knowing that it was somewhere in the house, and so was my SO!

4. Set up a fake Facebook profile with your sugar email clearly on it, so if the babies google your address, it will take them to your "profile". Add some of them as friends, and put in as much information as seems plausible in terms of likes and so forth.

5. Use only photos you have taken yourself for the express purpose of sugar business, so they can't be tin-eyed to your corporate profile on Linked In.

6. Pay only with cash or prepaid gift cards that don't have your name on them.

7. Try to get the baby to book the hotel room, and pay her back in cash. Most will go for this since they understand the need for discretion.

8. Play a little out of your home territory to lessen the chances of being seen by anyone who could inadvertently rat you out to the SO.

9. Always have an excuse ready to go in case you are seen at dinner with a baby - niece, daughter of your college roommate, new assistant (tho the last one is lame, I admit)

10. Keep a clean car. All receipts, registrations, anything with your name on it, bank receipts etc in the trunk and not in the glove box.

11. Always play safe. A brother known to us all is dealing with a little bundle of joy on the way - Jesus!

I'm sure there are more, but these have kept me safe over three years of happy play time. Only my ATF knew my real name, and that was after months of being together. I absent-mindedly gave her the hotel key to return as we were leaving, and she brought me the receipt. I miss her.

Peace,

Scott

**John G Smith** · 09-08-12 08:29

Anybody want to volunteer a list of signs to watch out for for a potential psycho?

So far I haven't encountered any psychos or vindictive girls, but it's probably just a matter of time. So I'd appreciate any warning signs you guys would like to offer up.

That said, I do try to keep myself well protected. I use Google Voice, so it's easy to block any number. And I don't use the GV for anything else, so she can't trace me with it and I can just drop the account if absolutely necessary.

I use a fake name, but to be honest I think a girl you see for more than a couple of months will eventually find out your real name. At some point she'll see a hotel bill, credit card, car insurance, car registration, or something.

I think the big thing is just not letting them know your real phone number, street address, or place of business. Even if they know you're real name, it's not easy to find those things. But you do have to be careful with things like your license and business cards.

Though I think in general the Sugar Bowl just has some inherent risks that even if you're extremely careful, you're still vulnerable.

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-07-12 21:24

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

OPSEC = Operational security. It is the principal that when running a operation that requires security you should operate on a need to know basis.

While texting a Pot SB she explained to me that she was simple girl that did not need much. Only a few dollars to buy a dress on occasion or some shoes. When we agreed to meet she said she needed some shopping money. She requested $800. I declined. She then requested $300. I declined. This was her next text message to me:

'I will be calling your wife. I never sell my pussy for $300 or my mouth boo I was selling your old ass a dream and the funny thing about your WIFE HIRED ME ALL THESE TEXT MESSAGES ARE BEING FORWARD TO HER AS WE SPEAK SHE FIGURED YOU WAS CHEATING AND NEEDED EVIDENCE YOU DUMB B* NOW SHE GOT IT I HOPE SHE TAKE YOUR B* ASS FOR EVERYTHING HUNNY SO GUESS WHAT either way I was getting some of your money regardless And our emails you fucking prick have fun getting a divorce. '

Now the B don't know jack about me. So, I just laughed and moved on to the next profile. Does anyone question why it is important to run silent and run deep? Because you never know when you are going to run into a garden tool with internet access. The World Wide Web is the Wild Wild West! Stay on alert. Keep you game tight. Put in the work. Hit the gym. Do your leg presses. Because gentlemen, when you kick your garden tools in the ass they MUST know you mean business!

SubCmdr out

But I did have to change my number recently due to a psycho.

**Magic Rat** · 09-07-12 11:34

Commander. Unfortunately there are more of these Pots out there than we would like to think. Be ever vigilant my fellow brothers!

**JoesParty** · 09-07-12 10:50

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

I mentioned earlier about how I base the allowance I give on the type of SB experience I think I'll get. But making that post also reminded me that I haven't really come close to the ideal SB experience I've been looking for.

This is basically my Ideal SB Experience:

- A very attractive petite college-aged girl. A girl who looks normal and doesn't have a ton of tattoos.

- Has modest financial needs. Someone who is pretty independent and just needs help with a few major bills to make life easier.

- Has an apartment or place we can meet, so I don't have to keep booking and spending money on FCs.

- A friendly girl who is easy to talk to and eager to chat / txt semi-regularly between meets.

- Doesn't live too far away. Has enough flexibility / openings in her schedule to meet regularly.

- Finds me at least somewhat handsome / attractive.

If I found a SB who met all these requirements, then I would put all my resources into her and not mess around with other SBs. I'd basically close the stable until further notice. But unfortunately, I had never met a girl who checked all those items. She might meet 3 of the requirements, but not the other 3. On my ISBE (Ideal Sugar Baby Experience) scale, the highest a girl scored was 4/6. But usually I tend to settle for girls who score a 3/6.

As mentioned before, I had let my SA membership expire. But after a recent CL no-show, out of spite I decided to put the extra money toward a new month of SA. I sent out quite a few messages and actually got a decent amount of responses and prospects. But again none of them scored higher than a 3/6 on the ISBE scale. So I thought it was going to be the usual routine of rotating through 2-3 SBs who I might see semi-regularly. Basically glorified hookups.

Then out of nowhere, I got contacted by a 6/6! She read my profile and initiated contact. She's a petite very attractive college SB. (1/6) We started txting and basically hit it off immediately. (2/6) Her allowance needs are modest, she basically just wants rent taken care of. And since she has roommates, it's not that bad. (3/6) She's fine with getting together at her place and her roommates are supposedly open-minded and keep to themselves (4/6). She mentioned she thought I was handsome in the pics I sent her (5/6). And she just lives about a hour away. Okay I probably should score it 5. 5/6 because the distance is a tad farther than I'd prefer, but a hour drive isn't that bad and since she has her own place and everything else is so awesome, I'll give her the extra. 5. (6/6)

So we're going to try to meet this weekend. I just can't believe how she literally just fell into my lap. I'm getting the vibe that she's had a sugar daddy before. She's already comfortable with the idea of being intimate and has realistic expectations for what she can get out of a SD / SB relationship, so no GPS. I was beginning to think a 6/6 ISBE was a unicorn for me, but now I'm a believer again.

So if this weekend goes well, Monday morning I'll be burning up the stable (most of the other horses are out to pasture anyway) and put this filly in her own special quarters.

Not to brag, but they are out there. I've got one who's an easy 5 out of 6 on your scale. Had another exciting romp with her this week. I just can't resist when she says "I want you inside me."

- A very attractive petite college-aged girl. A girl who looks normal and doesn't have a ton of tattoos.

Yes. As I've mentioned before, she's 18. Other than the pink hair (which she says is going back to natural soon) , she's more or less your girl next door. No tats. Bottom lip pierced, but that's it. Not petite, but slim (she's too tall to be "petite" I think).

- Has modest financial needs. Someone who is pretty independent and just needs help with a few major bills to make life easier.

She's been very happy with the modest allowance I've been providing on a weekly basis. Hasn't asked for anything specific, nor has she requested anything in advance.

- Has an apartment or place we can meet, so I don't have to keep booking and spending money on FCs.

Here's her only downfall: she still lives at home with mom. Tells mom we're "dating" so mom doesn't ask too many questions when she goes out. So yes, I do need to arrange a FC in advance. I've found one nearby, though, for not too much $$.

- A friendly girl who is easy to talk to and eager to chat / txt semi-regularly between meets.

Super friendly and clearly into me. I've had to make it clear I'm not looking for a girlfriend here.

- Doesn't live too far away. Has enough flexibility / openings in her schedule to meet regularly.

20 minutes from home, but far enough and in a different enough part of town that our social circles don't cross.

- Finds me at least somewhat handsome / attractive.

See above. She's made it clear she really likes me. Can't get enough of me in bed. She's a keeper.

Given all of this, I've put all my other beauties and prospects out to pasture indefinitely, even ATF, who has taken advantage of me too much lately without providing enough in return. Sad to see ATF go, but it all ends at some point, right?

So, John, it is possible. But I'm the first to admit it takes a LOT of luck. Best of luck to you as you pursue this potential perfect score this weekend.

**SubCmdr** · 09-07-12 10:30

OPSEC = Operational security. It is the principal that when running a operation that requires security you should operate on a need to know basis.

While texting a Pot SB she explained to me that she was simple girl that did not need much. Only a few dollars to buy a dress on occasion or some shoes. When we agreed to meet she said she needed some shopping money. She requested $800. I declined. She then requested $300. I declined. This was her next text message to me:

'I will be calling your wife. I never sell my pussy for $300 or my mouth boo I was selling your old ass a dream and the funny thing about your WIFE HIRED ME ALL THESE TEXT MESSAGES ARE BEING FORWARD TO HER AS WE SPEAK SHE FIGURED YOU WAS CHEATING AND NEEDED EVIDENCE YOU DUMB B**** NOW SHE GOT IT I HOPE SHE TAKE YOUR B**** ASS FOR EVERYTHING HUNNY SO GUESS WHAT either way I was getting some of your money regardless And our emails you fucking prick have fun getting a divorce. '

Now the B don't know jack about me. So, I just laughed and moved on to the next profile. Does anyone question why it is important to run silent and run deep? Because you never know when you are going to run into a garden tool with internet access. The World Wide Web is the Wild Wild West! Stay on alert. Keep you game tight. Put in the work. Hit the gym. Do your leg presses. Because gentlemen, when you kick your garden tools in the ass they MUST know you mean business!

SubCmdr out

**John G Smith** · 09-07-12 06:09

I mentioned earlier about how I base the allowance I give on the type of SB experience I think I'll get. But making that post also reminded me that I haven't really come close to the ideal SB experience I've been looking for.

This is basically my Ideal SB Experience:

- A very attractive petite college-aged girl. A girl who looks normal and doesn't have a ton of tattoos.

- Has modest financial needs. Someone who is pretty independent and just needs help with a few major bills to make life easier.

- Has an apartment or place we can meet, so I don't have to keep booking and spending money on FCs.

- A friendly girl who is easy to talk to and eager to chat / txt semi-regularly between meets.

- Doesn't live too far away. Has enough flexibility / openings in her schedule to meet regularly.

- Finds me at least somewhat handsome / attractive.

If I found a SB who met all these requirements, then I would put all my resources into her and not mess around with other SBs. I'd basically close the stable until further notice. But unfortunately, I had never met a girl who checked all those items. She might meet 3 of the requirements, but not the other 3. On my ISBE (Ideal Sugar Baby Experience) scale, the highest a girl scored was 4/6. But usually I tend to settle for girls who score a 3/6.

As mentioned before, I had let my SA membership expire. But after a recent CL no-show, out of spite I decided to put the extra money toward a new month of SA. I sent out quite a few messages and actually got a decent amount of responses and prospects. But again none of them scored higher than a 3/6 on the ISBE scale. So I thought it was going to be the usual routine of rotating through 2-3 SBs who I might see semi-regularly. Basically glorified hookups.

Then out of nowhere, I got contacted by a 6/6! She read my profile and initiated contact. She's a petite very attractive college SB. (1/6) We started txting and basically hit it off immediately. (2/6) Her allowance needs are modest, she basically just wants rent taken care of. And since she has roommates, it's not that bad. (3/6) She's fine with getting together at her place and her roommates are supposedly open-minded and keep to themselves (4/6). She mentioned she thought I was handsome in the pics I sent her (5/6). And she just lives about a hour away. Okay I probably should score it 5. 5/6 because the distance is a tad farther than I'd prefer, but a hour drive isn't that bad and since she has her own place and everything else is so awesome, I'll give her the extra. 5. (6/6)

So we're going to try to meet this weekend. I just can't believe how she literally just fell into my lap. I'm getting the vibe that she's had a sugar daddy before. She's already comfortable with the idea of being intimate and has realistic expectations for what she can get out of a SD / SB relationship, so no GPS. I was beginning to think a 6/6 ISBE was a unicorn for me, but now I'm a believer again.

So if this weekend goes well, Monday morning I'll be burning up the stable (most of the other horses are out to pasture anyway) and put this filly in her own special quarters.

**EasyGoingJ** · 09-06-12 14:54

After some friendly texting to establish clear expectations I met with " Susie " from SA in Charlottesville, her face pic is blurred for a good reason and she did not match her physical description. When I resisted her efforts at upselling and setting a time to meet again she did an abrupt grab of the cash $ she could get her hands on and dashed. I have been in touch with her the last two days to give her an opportunity to make things right with no success so I am reluctantly posting this warning. PM for details if you need them.

Also have info to share on my experiences with several other sb's (mainly from SA) in the central Virginia area.

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-06-12 13:57

Originally Posted by Magic Rat [View Original Post]

One of our colleagues uses a prepaid card for the amount of the monthly fee, avoiding the cancellation issue.

I just change the. You get a new one same day. Only use a card that is for re-billing sites. So there may be a couple other sites that need to be updated. But at sd4me. If you cancel they give you a free month after a few days.

**Magic Rat** · 09-06-12 13:03

One of our colleagues uses a prepaid card for the amount of the monthly fee, avoiding the cancellation issue.

**Member #5055** · 09-06-12 07:04

From personal experience the seeking arrangement site is by far the best. Also their monthly membership does NOT auto renew! Other sites renew and can be a devil to cancel!

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

Are you guys searching / members of all the usual sd sites? I been on sd4me for 5 years. I like it the best. And I do favor black girls and any foreign / exotic types of which this site is disproportionately loaded with them at least in L. A.

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-06-12 01:30

Are you guys searching / members of all the usual sd sites? I been on sd4me for 5 years. I like it the best. And I do favor black girls and any foreign / exotic types of which this site is disproportionately loaded with them at least in L. A.

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-06-12 01:21

I am in L. A. But I saw this thread. And I been a sd for a while now. I will read up on this thread before I post my 2 cents. The only thing I will say is this site has helped me a lot in keeping the costs down. Especially in these trying times. I don't do BP or the other escort sites. More into snatching up a new sb or non pro before they really know whats up. Or the ones that for whatever reason have not hit the pot of gold and are reasonable. Also look for the ones that want guidance in bed or work or where ever. Nice to me you all.

**Golfcart** · 09-06-12 00:46

Originally Posted by AOneFred7734 [View Original Post]

Yes its all over. I've done $ hr to $$$$ hr (with video) I've done 4 overnighters two at $$$$$$ and two at ($$$$$ and they were better) In the last 2. 5 yrs I have seen right at 120 dif girls I am to the point the less $ gets you more time in the hole. And I think I have a better with them. And they ask when are you coming back.

Has anyone considered the risks associated with being asleep with a person we do not really know?