"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[JoesParty]

I agree with everything that my brothers have said so far, so I'll only add a couple thoughts. Like so many others, I was over-eager in the beginning and WAY overpaid with the first two. It's not that they weren't worth it, per se, but it did put a strain on my ability to maintain cover at home, and I eventually ended both relationships because they felt too much like business and not enough like the casual NSA I was looking for.

One thing I learned, though, in talking with these and other prospects is that, although the girls get lots of contacts, the talent pool of eligible guys isn't that deep. Many of the guys they hear from are creeps, ugly, or otherwise undesirable. Some of the girls are so desperate they'll see these guys anyway, but I've found that if you can convince them you're a genuine nice guy, they are willing to take a lower allowance. Start low and negotiate from there. If they're offended at your offer, they still believe they can get more somewhere else, and more power to them if they do. But in a couple of cases, I've had very good luck by treating the lady with respect during our M&Gs. Inexperience counts, too. My 18yo HYB is thrilled with whatever amount I give her. I don't think I'm being cheap, as I'd like to keep her on my payroll instead of having her jump at the next guy who flashes her some cash.

I guess what I'm saying is that, although the girls always say they have choices when choosing a SD, *we* have choices too. Step back, take a minute to think about it, and you'll be happier with the choices you make.

[AliasSM]

Like you guys, what I've paid has been all over the map. But now I've settled between $ to $$$ per outing. Generally I like to keep everything including the FC under $$$.

As for how I determine what SB I give $ and what SB I give $$$, it's not actually totally based on looks / aesthetics. A few months ago, a pretty hot SB I met off CL wanted to meet for $$.5. But due to schedules (she had kids and was married) our time would be extremely limited. We basically would just be at the FC for 30-60 min. A one and done deal. So I passed on her because if I just wanted a quick thrill with a hot chick, I'd find an escort. Not to be crass, but pussy in short bursts is almost indistinguishable from another.

I give +$$ to SBs who I plan to hang out with for at least 3-4 hours. This way we have enough time to relax, get to know each other, and maybe have multiple romps. If I'm able to enjoy the company of a nice young woman for a whole evening, then it's worth the $$. $$$ to me because I get the complete mistress-experience. I'm not looking for a girlfriend (too much emotional involvement) and I'm not looking for an escort (zero connection, clock watching). But for me personally I am looking for the classic mistress experience. A girl on the side who treats you like a king for your brief time together. Someone who you can be uninhibited with and someone who will pamper you in the bedroom (ie. After sex massages and etc). Obviously this isn't possible if the SD / SB relationship is just a hit and quit it ordeal.

So when I'm establishing my mental price in my head, during the initial discussions I find out how much time the pot SB will be available. Even if she's insanely hot, I'll probably only offer no more than $.5 if she's just going to spread her legs and then leave after 30 min. At that point, a hole is just a hole no matter how good she looks, so that SB experience is a lower value to me. But if she's able to spend the whole afternoon / evening with me or we can get together at her place, then I may offer her more because the SB experience is more in line with what I'm looking for.

So yes desirability / quality of the SB does play a part, but I look at the whole experience I'm going to get to determine how much I'm going to invest. The way I look at it, I'm not paying for the SB, I'm paying for the total experience. Having this mentality helps keep things in perspective and to walk away from bad deals. When I first started, I would jump at any girl who would rush to the FC. Now I'm a little more deliberate and I make sure I'm going to get the experience I want.

Totally agree with your approach. The $ SB I was with this past weekend was a CL contact that had only a short time to spare. She was hot in all of the right ways and was really into the DATY and sex, but I can't see paying any more to her unless she has some time to hang out and relax a little with me. The $$$ experience was for an entire evening out, the SB was in no hurry and was enjoying the nice dinner we had together, and she provided the FC (her place). It was a special night that I will remember for a while. I can see the advantage of spending time with both of these in the future, but for entirely different experiences.

So I think we are in the same approx price range. It might take a little longer to find the right match in that range though. I've had several SBs quote me $$$$$ but that's just a bit outside my comfort range. I could spend the money, but it's harder to hide that level of expense from the warden and it raises the risk too much for me. And why do it when there are plenty of options for less.

[John G Smith]

Like you guys, what I've paid has been all over the map. But now I've settled between $ to $$$ per outing. Generally I like to keep everything including the FC under $$$.

As for how I determine what SB I give $ and what SB I give $$$, it's not actually totally based on looks / aesthetics. A few months ago, a pretty hot SB I met off CL wanted to meet for $$.5. But due to schedules (she had kids and was married) our time would be extremely limited. We basically would just be at the FC for 30-60 min. A one and done deal. So I passed on her because if I just wanted a quick thrill with a hot chick, I'd find an escort. Not to be crass, but pussy in short bursts is almost indistinguishable from another.

I give +$$ to SBs who I plan to hang out with for at least 3-4 hours. This way we have enough time to relax, get to know each other, and maybe have multiple romps. If I'm able to enjoy the company of a nice young woman for a whole evening, then it's worth the $$. $$$ to me because I get the complete mistress-experience. I'm not looking for a girlfriend (too much emotional involvement) and I'm not looking for an escort (zero connection, clock watching). But for me personally I am looking for the classic mistress experience. A girl on the side who treats you like a king for your brief time together. Someone who you can be uninhibited with and someone who will pamper you in the bedroom (ie. After sex massages and etc). Obviously this isn't possible if the SD / SB relationship is just a hit and quit it ordeal.

So when I'm establishing my mental price in my head, during the initial discussions I find out how much time the pot SB will be available. Even if she's insanely hot, I'll probably only offer no more than $.5 if she's just going to spread her legs and then leave after 30 min. At that point, a hole is just a hole no matter how good she looks, so that SB experience is a lower value to me. But if she's able to spend the whole afternoon / evening with me or we can get together at her place, then I may offer her more because the SB experience is more in line with what I'm looking for.

So yes desirability / quality of the SB does play a part, but I look at the whole experience I'm going to get to determine how much I'm going to invest. The way I look at it, I'm not paying for the SB, I'm paying for the total experience. Having this mentality helps keep things in perspective and to walk away from bad deals. When I first started, I would jump at any girl who would rush to the FC. Now I'm a little more deliberate and I make sure I'm going to get the experience I want.

[AOneFred7734]

That begs the question as to how much is too much to spend on this hobby. It obviously depends on the quality and desirability of the SB, as well as the amount of discretionary income of the SD. But at some point, there is a ceiling on what a pussy is worth. My range is as low as $ per session and as high as $$$ per session, and I contributed to both of those extremes this past weekend. The $ was a young MILF with no job, a baby, and no real precious knowledge of the SB world. The $$$ was for a quality lady that anyone would be proud to take to dinner, is going back to school to get her degree, and can carry on a conversation with anyone at any level. But the sex was just as satisfying with both of them, so did I overpay or underpay?

I struggle with the dollar amount to agree to each time I meet a new SB. One thing that I have found though is that it's awful hard to go down once the $ amount has been set. You almost always have to break it off and renegotiate with a new SB. I had 4 meetings over the weekend and spent $, $$$, $.5, and $$.5 in that order. I guess it mostly depends on how good a negotiator she is at the first meeting. I'd be interested in knowing what you all spend. I'd guess it's all over the board. Same as me.

Yes its all over. I've done $ hr to $$$$ hr (with vido) I've done 4 overnighters twoat$$$$$$ and twoat ($$$$$ and they were better) In the last 2. 5 yrs I have seen right at 120 dif, girls I am to the point the less $ gets you more time in the hole. And I think I have a better with them. And they ask when are you coming back.

[AliasSM]

Just a quick update on the Model 9 I was corresponding off CL.

Turns out she was just outside my budget. Drat. She's new to the whole thing but clearly she did her research. She also had kids and a decent / okay job, so it made sense that she wanted above the average. I might have been able to do it, but it would have squeezed me really tight. If we could have met at her place instead of a hotel, then maybe it would have been doable. But I decided to think with my big head and pass on her. I'm in the Sugar Bowl for the long haul, so I don't want to do anything that's going to cause a career ending injury when I'm still just in my sophomore season. They'll be other girls and who knows maybe in a season or two I'll be in a position to play up in her division. But right now there's plenty to be had where I am, so no need to rush things and make the whole thing stressful.

Hope at least some of you guys had a sugar filled holiday weekend. For me, the search continues.

That begs the question as to how much is too much to spend on this hobby. It obviously depends on the quality and desirability of the SB, as well as the amount of discretionary income of the SD. But at some point, there is a ceiling on what a pussy is worth. My range is as low as $ per session and as high as $$$ per session, and I contributed to both of those extremes this past weekend. The $ was a young MILF with no job, a baby, and no real precious knowledge of the SB world. The $$$ was for a quality lady that anyone would be proud to take to dinner, is going back to school to get her degree, and can carry on a conversation with anyone at any level. But the sex was just as satisfying with both of them, so did I overpay or underpay?

I struggle with the dollar amount to agree to each time I meet a new SB. One thing that I have found though is that it's awful hard to go down once the $ amount has been set. You almost always have to break it off and renegotiate with a new SB. I had 4 meetings over the weekend and spent $, $$$, $.5, and $$.5 in that order. I guess it mostly depends on how good a negotiator she is at the first meeting. I'd be interested in knowing what you all spend. I'd guess it's all over the board. Same as me.

[John G Smith]

Just a quick update on the Model 9 I was corresponding off CL.

Turns out she was just outside my budget. Drat. She's new to the whole thing but clearly she did her research. She also had kids and a decent / okay job, so it made sense that she wanted above the average. I might have been able to do it, but it would have squeezed me really tight. If we could have met at her place instead of a hotel, then maybe it would have been doable. But I decided to think with my big head and pass on her. I'm in the Sugar Bowl for the long haul, so I don't want to do anything that's going to cause a career ending injury when I'm still just in my sophomore season. They'll be other girls and who knows maybe in a season or two I'll be in a position to play up in her division. But right now there's plenty to be had where I am, so no need to rush things and make the whole thing stressful.

Hope at least some of you guys had a sugar filled holiday weekend. For me, the search continues.

[AOneFred7734]

I had hoped to take my new 18-year-old HYB to the FC this week for the fourth time during our new relationship, but her Aunt was in town, so she felt like she needed to cancel. I am of the opinion that maintenance on one ride shouldn't close the entire amusement park, but I didn't press the issue because we're still relatively new to each other. Instead, I offered a movie this afternoon, as I was off for the day anyway. She gladly accepted, and we were off.

She selected seats in the back row, noting that last time we went, we were "too close to the front." Ok, whatever. We settle in, and there's only a few other people, mostly toward the front. ("See," I wanted to say,"I'm not the only nerd who likes sitting close.")

After the plot gets going, I put my hand on her leg, and hers finds my knee. My hand moves up a bit; hers does too. We each progress a bit further. It's like we're teenagers seeing how far we can go. Well, one of us *is* a teenager. Then, she makes her own move. She starts stroking me through my shorts. Then her hand's in my shorts. Then my shorts are undone, and she's giving me discreet HJ.

I'm nervously scanning the theater for prying eyes, but it's obvious we're pretty much alone in the back row of a dark room. When she bends over and takes me in her mouth, I don't protest.

So, gents, that was a first for me. She was disappointed in the lack of a big finish, but I didn't want to get things all sticky in the theater and hadn't come prepared (who would?) with appropriate clean-up supplies. I suspect our next visit to the FC will be an excellent outlet for all of our pent-up energy.

Hope you all have such an eventful weekend.

Regards,

Joe

Thank you joe I'm here in brace virginia with no pussy in 60 miles and got me a boner that would choke a horse. That made me think of my first blow job that was bbbjtcws in her living room I was 18 she was 15 dam good days

[JoesParty]

I had hoped to take my new 18-year-old HYB to the FC this week for the fourth time during our new relationship, but her Aunt was in town, so she felt like she needed to cancel. I am of the opinion that maintenance on one ride shouldn't close the entire amusement park, but I didn't press the issue because we're still relatively new to each other. Instead, I offered a movie this afternoon, as I was off for the day anyway. She gladly accepted, and we were off.

She selected seats in the back row, noting that last time we went, we were "too close to the front." Ok, whatever. We settle in, and there's only a few other people, mostly toward the front. ("See," I wanted to say,"I'm not the only nerd who likes sitting close.")

After the plot gets going, I put my hand on her leg, and hers finds my knee. My hand moves up a bit; hers does too. We each progress a bit further. It's like we're teenagers seeing how far we can go. Well, one of us *is* a teenager. Then, she makes her own move. She starts stroking me through my shorts. Then her hand's in my shorts. Then my shorts are undone, and she's giving me discreet HJ.

I'm nervously scanning the theater for prying eyes, but it's obvious we're pretty much alone in the back row of a dark room. When she bends over and takes me in her mouth, I don't protest.

So, gents, that was a first for me. She was disappointed in the lack of a big finish, but I didn't want to get things all sticky in the theater and hadn't come prepared (who would?) with appropriate clean-up supplies. I suspect our next visit to the FC will be an excellent outlet for all of our pent-up energy.

Hope you all have such an eventful weekend.

Regards,

Joe

[JoesParty]

I was on vacation recently and had to stifle a laugh when the sugar mobile rolled past this billboard on the interstate. I almost suggested we stop for lunch but thought better of it.

[Graham111]

Haven't reported much lately but with a string of cancellations it seems time to reflect.

SB1 was just dumb luck. A nando 1 who is absolutely terrific in bed. Or was. I travel out of town during the week and she moved in with me two weeks straight. Every night at dinner she had the "can't wait to screw you all nite long" look in her eyes and did. What a feeling, I forgot how much fun that could be. But I am never here on weekends, travel alot, and the IRL boyfriend competition caught wind and made me the anti-christ. Plus she knows deep down no long term future which after recent divorce in the middle of this saga she now sees as a key. Since May we keep dancing around it and meeting on the sly but it just ain't the same. But really hard for me to cut her off as I remember what the "good times" were like. I know I need to be strong but when my little head gets going look out.

SB3, also a nando 1, I call F%k and run. As soon as we are through round 1 she got to go. Nice gal but I don't get the big thrill. But very dependable and on time. So she gets the call when I have no other options. But nothing deeper than that.

SB4 is also terrific in bed but not SB1. It's all in my head but she is good for a marathon. She told me she had "no limits" and it's pretty true but the limit she has is dependability. Disappears, can; t make it at the last moment, etc. Has a job and car but is struggling. Nice personality but no SB1.

SB5 had a dynamite body but ex stripper and it showed. We all biz. OK for one shot deal but I felt like I was being used. Yeech. It's been said here at least they can act the part.

So this week SB1 cancels (I know what are you doing) , SB4 goes silent, and potential SB6, who I have been cultivating for 1. 5 months cancels. I contact 2 previous potentials who were interested in m&G. Nada. So me, myself and I. Time for another crop and all the time and effort involved. Yes it beats the alternatives but guys it's alot of work. My compliments to all of you in this game. It's an advanced sport!

[EuroInCincy]

Euro,

Damn, dude, seems too good to be true! Congratulations! How did you broach the subject, may I ask? The reason is that a baby that I am seeing tomorrow, Naughty Brit, has included in her profile that she is interested in the ladies as well, and I would love to be able to facilitate that, but can't quite think of the delicate intro to that discussion.

The overwhelming opinion seems to be for all four. To this, I would add a request that video be taken, and shared with your brothers. I'll bring the popcorn!

Why delicate. You are not married to her. And even if you were. She already indicated it. Just blurt it out. That always works for me. BUT I am "euro" so perhaps they accept it easier from me.

One of the once had to cancel. She felt she could not do it "because I am going out with my friends the night before and will drink too much" so I am opting for keeping it at 2 at the same time and have the 3 rotate in and out.

No I won't take a video. But. You can PM me

[SubCmdr]

Naughty Brit, has included in her profile that she is interested in the ladies as well, and I would love to be able to facilitate that, but can't quite think of the delicate intro to that discussion.

Scott,

"When did you first realize you liked to eat pussy?" might work. Or a more subtle method might be to start a conversation about sexual experiences and lead her into talking about the ones with girls. It brooches the subject and gives you a cheep thrill to boot!

SubCmdr out

[F Scott]

Euro,

Damn, dude, seems too good to be true! Congratulations! How did you broach the subject, may I ask? The reason is that a baby that I am seeing tomorrow, Naughty Brit, has included in her profile that she is interested in the ladies as well, and I would love to be able to facilitate that, but can't quite think of the delicate intro to that discussion.

The overwhelming opinion seems to be for all four. To this, I would add a request that video be taken, and shared with your brothers. I'll bring the popcorn!

[Zomby]

C) all 4 of them. One for the afternoon one for the evening one for the nigh and one for the next morning.

And you aren't expected (or can hold up) to entertain all five yourself, I think I'd go with this one. You can always just watch.

/z

[SubCmdr]

Since the subject SB is happy with all the choices, I would go with choice C. Nothing like a sexual buffet.

SubCmdr out.

Should I a) invite the best runner up for the whole tim.

B) invite two of them one for the afternoon / early evening and a second for the night and the morning.

C) all 4 of them. One for the afternoon one for the evening one for the nigh and one for the next morning.

The) meet with all 4 before hand (Friday / Saturday) and say. The best one can have the golden nugget of being her first.

The sb I planned the overnight with is happy with all choices.

Can I have your votes please?