"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[ChiGuy606]

You sir are an inspiration to us all.

Well done to you. Well done indeed!

[Literal2]

Overall. 7 fucks, some fantastic BBBJ, DFK, loads of DATY and general FC and REAL GFE fun. Damage around 6$. Thank god for little pills! Amen.

Guy Out.

This is a great post. You have distilled some of the best suggestions from the thread, added your own innovations, and accomplished what most of us long for. Multiple new babes to choose from, all willing to cum with you, all at a reasonable cost. Can't do much better than this inmo. Thanks for showing us how it's done!

[Literal2]

The classification is all along a spectrum of course. We can agree that Nando 1's are on one extreme and at the other extreme I guess is the BVM (Nando 10, perhaps).

Nando 3's as sportsters is an appropriate grade. If the lady is not desperate but likes gifts from time to time and she's the kind you want to be with all night and to provide romance and content to your life after sex, possibly even slipping you a Benjamin or two when she is up and you are down, that's fine. Sounds like a serious, loving relationship. There would naturally be a risk of involvement leading to potential emotional disruption in the spousal household, and certainly the risk of blackmail would seem to be present. John Edwards may have had such a relationship (although with third party funding) plus that guy whatsisname who covered his trips from Georgia to Argentina to see his soulmate with claims he was on the Appalachian Trail.

As I said, the truly honked out desperadas with drug and jail time problems are often found as SWs. Chi's vulva snap faxing babe doesn't seem like a Nando 1 to me. I doubt her bank account is zero. Rather, I think she's a would be porn star with a niche marketing strategy. She was likely a fraudster to the extent she promised sex, like the babes you find on the sites who want you to send them travel money so they can come see you from Newfoundland or some other unlikely place. If she casts a wide enough net she will find a mark.

I've had a few desperate SBs. They weren't my favorites but I think they probably fit Nando's definition. One was a young blonde with a baby in a home where the utilities had been turned off. She was broke, broke, broke. I agreed to meet her at a store close to her house. She probably saw my license plate but unless she had a great memory she wouldn't remember it and didn't have time to write it down. We walked a few blocks to her house. Inside, we kissed and I fondled her. We moved to her bed and I slowly stripped her and kissed her body. I took off her panties and knelt between her legs, forcing them apart and put my thumbs on each side of her vulva and opened her up a bit. I bent down to get a taste of her when she said,"I'm not going to do full service. I can give you a blowjob."

I stood up and walked out, leaving a full dose of sugar on her counter as I left. All I said was,"My mistake. I thought we were going to be intimate. You can keep the money, pay your utility bills."

A few days later she sent me a message that she was so sorry, she was wrong. She would be thrilled to have a complete relationship and would I please return and "make love" to her. I had some other things to do and some other SBs to fuck but after a couple weeks I went back to her house, parking the car several blocks away and walking to her house. She was glad to see me. She said she was nervous and so she was a little drunk (at 2PM). The utilities were still off. But she was young and slim and smelled like vanilla (I know, I know). The fucking was good. I gave her some more sugar and never saw her again although she sent me several follow ups. She said she was 23.

One of my older SBs was also desperate. She was nearing 40 and ridiculous in the preliminaries, wanting a commitment of 2K per month before I even met her. She said she would give me as much sex as I wanted whenever I wanted but, ah, could I quickly send her 1K in advance to fix her car? No way, I said. I stopped corresponding with her. After six weeks I asked how she was doing. She said she'd like to meet me in a neutral place immediately. I said how about my hotel? She said I'll meet you in the lobby. I knew from her pix that she was pretty and had large breasts. I agreed to meet her twice over a four day period. When she arrived, we skipped the lobby meet and she came right to my room. Funny and sexy, very skilled with her mouth and hands, she was a really great fuck. She was a divorced suburban housewife trying to keep up a standard of living that had become impossible to her. After the second session I told her I was leaving town and she was wistful but not mad. A few weeks later I got a desperate plea for sugar because she and her kid had been thrown out of her friend's house because of her catting around with strange men. I told her no can do and gave her the number of a shelter. She was furious and I haven't been in contact with her since.

I have no disagreement with anything that's been said about desperadas. It just a matter of whether you can contain the drama and are satisfied with the brief sexual encounters. For the record, I would never, ever touch a SW. But an SB desperada? They've been ok for me.

[Member #5055]

Even though I had an SB a few years ago, she was part family friend (dangerous I know. Luckily she moved away!) , all expenses were things like gas fill-ups so on CC and did not get detected. I do not have the deep pockets to support a local SB, and also it can be dangerous as one can get attached.

However, I had saved up some sugar to have some fun on my business trip last week. I travel there 4-5 times a year, and I think I have a methodology that for anybody else that travels can use.

First you need to have an SA account that has been running 3-4 months. I have created several, not paid for them, but have them set-up to use as needed.

Next. 3 weeks away from a trip, you join and pay the monthly fee, and then send messages to anybody in the area you are travelling that interests you, letting them know that you are an SD that is established, but is travelling to their area and staying for a whole week in 2-3 weeks time.

Any that respond, try to get them to E-mail you so you can contact them outside SA.

Again, do another search 2-3 days BEFORE you leave on travel. Look for all the NEW SB accounts in that area. Out of the 3 girls I got into the FC during my trip. 2 of these were "NEW" to the SB scene. At this time you also re-acquaint yourselves with all the others that you have had contact with, reminding them that you arrive in a couple of days.

As you arrive, you again cast the net and see who is really interested. I cast myself as an SD, who had not had an SB for years, but who was travelling, bored in the evenings, and was after dinner, drinks, good conversation, and if good chemistry, some hotel room fun. I was honest as to what I expected.

If I had anybody ask me about sugar, I simply said I was uncomfortably talking about sugar, as that would make them a prostitute, and I did not date prostitutes! I found this would get rid of the UTR hookers, and make the girls who were new to this and were trying NOT to feel they were prostituting themselves to hang around. I said I was generous, and if they were unhappy, they would not see me on another trip.

NOW TO THE JUICY STUFF. 3 GIRLS in the FC in 36 HOURS! ALL CUTE! ALL 24-26!

We'll call the Travelling SBs. TSBs.

TSB1: VERY cute 24 year old. Had a kid very young (16) and then another with the same Father 2 years ago, but it had all now gone wrong. VERY well toned body, small and a little shrunk titties, but with sensitive nipples. She was VERY nervous, almost turned around in the car, but my phone call (the first) with my reassuring professional voice got her there. We had drinks and nibbles in my room, then decided that she was very horny and we ended up in the sack for several hours. 2 pops. She was humming the whole time, and squirted during DATY. We were both hungry afterwards, and went for dinner and drinks. She left very happy, $$ plus dinner was the cost.

TSB2: cute, she described herself as athletic, but I would have said some extra pounds! However great personality. She also was incredibly nervous, but soon relaxed with me. Again she ended up in bed for a great fuck BEFORE we went out for dinner, then back for a second and a third round before she went asleep on my bed! I ended up waking her up around 10pm. I knew she had to get some school papers to a friend, however if I had offered, I am sure she would have slept the night. This would have been great except I had TSB3 arriving at 8am the next morning for breakfast and sex in bed! $$ cost.

TSB3: slim, confident SB. She had had 2-3 SDs over the last year, all local and I got the impression she only had one at a time for 2-3 months each. She was obviously desperate for cash, and was one of the original contact from 3 weeks prior to the trip, and who contacted me for the first time while I was there! I could tell she was desperate, which was why I said I was really booked up with meetings, and the only thing I could offer to help out was breakfast in bed if she was interested. I also only had $.5, to which she said she could not do it. I said :OK, just trying to help out". An hour later she messaged me back that she would love to come if I would fill her small car with gas as well. DEAL! She was VERY hot, cute, a little country (I was in the "South" but VERY much a nympho. We had a great hour in bed. Two pops and she came herself and was totally out of breath with both. First was MISH so I could control it, second was CG and my god did she ride me!

Follow-up is that I now have 3 girls who will take my E-mails on my next trip. All say they would love to see me again (so the sugar must have been about right for the area). One even has a friend who had a bad SB / SD experience, that would like to meet me. Of course I will also still spread the net to any new SBs on SA when I go there, but now I have some regulars in a area where Backpage is pitiful, and almost impossible to find ANY girls. I will add, that I paid the $ according to if I wanted to see them again. My conscience would not let me go below $.5 I think, but I felt for he area, $$ was about right, would make them happy, and want to see me again. I think I got it right. Different areas will of course dictate differently.

Overall. 7 fucks, some fantastic BBBJ, DFK, loads of DATY and general FC and REAL GFE fun. Damage around 6$. Thank god for little pills! Amen.

Guy Out.

[Literal2]

Along with that over a half a dozen hits via SA in a relatively small town. Looks like it will be an interesting summer. Trying to sort through it now. Thanks to all for the inspiration!

Sounds like a Summer of Love coming up. This will be fun.

[Graham111]

Well after the doldrums of no company the last few weeks things are looking up. Earlier in the week SB1 resurfaced at least to explain her disappearance. I had mixed emotions with reconnecting even just via email and phone but felt like a heel if ignored her. Restarted the dialog and realize that deep down I just really enjoy her company. So it's strictly friendship at this point but at least it's cordial and entertaining.

Now on to the new SB3. Had interviewed her back in February but put her on ice for SB1. Thought she was a little flaky and uptight, and she was until the clothes came off! After that good times. Mid 30's single Mom but has a job and a life so much more stable. Still not the huge connection of SB1 but we will see. Hopefully now that the ice is broken we can get into a groove.

Along with that over a half a dozen hits via SA in a relatively small town. Looks like it will be an interesting summer. Trying to sort through it now. Thanks to all for the inspiration!

[SbabyBlog]

There are a few things that have gone by today that I wanted to comment on.

Literal - I don't think the need for Money makes someone a Nando 1. Using myself as an example, I'm the furthest thing from it but being in an expensive graduate program has certainly created said need for me. Memories allowance pays my rent while The Doctor provides for all of my "extras" (exercise studio membership, nails, hair etc.) Ok, so maybe The Doctors allowance isn't a need as much as a want but it is needed with Memories. I do like Nando's follow-up explanation that they are a "desperada with nothing to lose." Even I know how to spot them from a mile away and that you should steer far far away from them.

Chicago - Please take mine and our brother's advice, run fast and don't look back! The crises need money before we meet translates to let me take your money and not meet you. She's not an SB she's a scam artist and darling you seem smarter than that one.

George - Your SB2 sounds like a decent thing, play it out for a bit and see where it goes. And SB1 should NOT be asking for full sugar before you've even set-up a meeting in the "fc" as you all refer to it. She needs to go bub bye.

Now my dear Scott - So sorry to hear about your ATF. I know you've thought this might be happening for a while. Have fun down south and when you get back home I will be deeply offended if a chicago area get together for drinks is organized and I don't get an invite. Just sayin.

Oh! And for an update on a nice surprise last night. Memories took me shoe shopping! His dance lesson was very early in the afternoon and I was unable to get into the city at that time so I just met him at the hotel bar first. When we went up to the room to drop my bag off it was clear he wanted to play around first before heading out to dinner, so I obliged. (I guess he really did miss me last week!) Anyways, afterwards he goes, "I want to take you shopping and I'm thinking it should be for shoes." We dressed went shopping and then to dinner. The thing is I hate shoe shopping (I know don't you all have a hart attack at once) and since moving here I haven't bought any new heels as I walk everywhere and that requires flats. He knows this and it's why shoes are what came to mind. I picked out two beige pair perfect for summer. For those of you curious, yes, this was a gift on top of my regular allowance. And since I know this has been talked about recently, I'll say that Memories has always given me the full allowance up front. He volunteered that in the begining which surprised me and I certainly wasn't going to object to it. I do think that splitting it into two gifts throughout the month is more than permissible though.

As always, just my thoughts.

Time to head to spin class,

Mandy

[ChiGuy606]

This is bad news. You risk major complications and frustrations with this woman, in my opinion. I think you should burn her off and start building your SA portfolio.

Indeed. I canceled the reservation for the FC, and am building up quite an email list from SA. It looks I may be having a cocktail this Friday with an adorable 22 year old art school baby who is studying not far from my office downtown. It's been a LONG time since I have had fun with someone that young, and certainly am looking forward to it. I cannot get away all night, so this will only be a M&G, but it will be interesting to see how it progresses.

My 1st impression was correct with the other 'Lady', and I thank you all for helping me to confirm.

Chi

[Literal2]

Met some one online and chatted via text and email. Finally set up the meet and was supposed to have this nice dinner in the Slip. Dinner time comes and she doesn't show. I text and nothing, so I finally give her a call. This is where it gets weird, and now I am spooked and getting ready to call the cops.

She says she is going to tell me the truth because I seem like a really nice guy. She says she is working for a woman in Richmond who has several girls on the dating sites.

I fish in the Richmond pond, any further info on this situation? I have searched but can't find anything and would appreciate a link or other info on this SA profile to avoid.

Thanks

I don't know what to say about this. Call the cops? Link to an SA profile?

Maybe the best course would be to notify your dating agency that somebody seems to be using it for illegal purposes.

[Literal2]

I have had my run of uncaring unfeeling Hos and while the orgasm is always good there is an empty feeling at the end of it all. Romance, albeit a fantasy gives sugar life that extra pop and makes me enjoy holding my SB all night instead of beating a hasty retreat as soon as the bell is rung.

It is a rare thing in the sugar world and certainly not for everyone.

I can understand that. As you say, it's not for everyone.

[Hernando]

I have had my run of uncaring unfeeling Hos and while the orgasm is always good there is an empty feeling at the end of it all. Romance, albeit a fantasy gives sugar life that extra pop and makes me enjoy holding my SB all night instead of beating a hasty retreat as soon as the bell is rung.

It is a rare thing in the sugar world and certainly not for everyone.

[Literal2]

I spend the max amount of Sugar budget on my current HCB ATF and a call for a significant amount of unscheduled $$$ would create a little stress. Therefore I don't want my SB calling for Sugar. She gets enough as it is. And she has never asked for anything. I love that about her and I give her more and more as I am able. If I weren't married I'd give her more than she could make as a practicing attorney. Maybe she will give me sugar someday when she passes the bar and gets a grownup job.

You have always brought an element of romance to this thread. I hope you keep it up. You seem to me to have ideals for your baby of the kind I usually associate with a respectable French businessman's feelings for his mistress.

[JoesParty]

Maybe she will give me sugar someday when she passes the bar and gets a grownup job.

We can all dream, can't we? I'm all seriousness, you will be a deity in my book if you ever pull this off.

[Hernando]

I called them the sportsters meaning many were in the biz for fun or extra cash. Lit is right, it's very difficult to categorize everybody but what seems to have stuck as a desperada with nothing to lose is a Nando 1. I think of Nando 3s as true SBs who are looking to supplement their lifestyle, even pay the rent, without being so close to the edge that a flat tire will send them to their SD calling for money on a regular basis.

I spend the max amount of Sugar budget on my current HCB ATF and a call for a significant amount of unscheduled $$$ would create a little stress. Therefore I don't want my SB calling for Sugar. She gets enough as it is. And she has never asked for anything. I love that about her and I give her more and more as I am able. If I weren't married I'd give her more than she could make as a practicing attorney. Maybe she will give me sugar someday when she passes the bar and gets a grownup job.

[Literal2]

I had a stripper "sb" a while back and while she was rather emotionally flat I thought she had good potential for a regular. SHe was a classic Nando 1 and I took a flyer on her before I formulated my SB designation***I finally became insistant and got her to agree to enter the fc for a very lackluster performance*** shortly after that she ended our unrepaid agreement. *** And I finally learned the big lesson. Stay away from Nando 1 s!

I realize you have been developing your classification scheme for some time and I don't mean to oversimplify but I consider this to be an operational definition: "Nando 1 type girls * are desperately poor, substance addicted, and frequently active or semi pros who have often done time."

I completely agree we should all stay away from these unhappy folks. In my experience, though, this definition fits the WSW and BSW model more commonly than the SB. Of course SWs are for sure pros, and SBs try not to be, or try not to appear to be. Most of the SBs I've sought out and met have been in need of sugar, and some of them desperately. I've never encountered a substance addicted SB (well, two were alcoholics) or one who has been incarcerated (to my knowledge). I see SBs as in transition, usually having greater than short term goals, and determined to keep a non-pro identity while temporarily supplementing their income with pops of sugar from SDs until they can achieve those goals.

Poverty, or relative poverty anyway, is for sure a major motivation for most SBs. So while I would agree that we should stay away from Nando 1's (as defined above) , I think economic disparity between SD and SB is a necessary element in our equation for SD success. Put another way, I wouldn't disqualify an SB candidate simply because she needs money. Young mothers who need money to pay the rent and who are determined never to become pro are prime targets. As are young college students and graduates burdened with student loan debt. In most cases, I believe, these girls have a choice. They can take low paying menial jobs and work their asses off, or they can find an SD and swap access to their vagina for some sugar and good times. In my personal moral code, while I think choosing to be an SB might not be the best for her character development, I don't feel we are taking advantage of the girl by giving her what she wants in exchange for what we want. Being an SD is probably not all that good for character development either, but that's human weakness for you.

As to strippers. I find them much more likely to be true Nando 1's. They are often hard as nails, turning away propositions for intercourse multiple times each working hour, and good ones make so much sugar from the tease that they have no need to turn tricks. You can drop $300 on an artful stripper as fast as you can on a hooker, and you often hear mongers muttering on the way out of the VIP "Damn, I could have hired an escort for a lot less than that."

But the life of a stripper is hard and it comes through in her relationships. I've had some beautiful sessions with strippers (not Nando 1's though) but they were all desperate to get out of The Life. Not so with SBs, many of whom seem to view being an SB as a kind of lark and basically meaningless while they are waiting for something else they are confident will come along before too long.

I'm overgeneralizing, I know, and I'm sure others have different experiences.