"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[JoesParty]

This is bad news. You risk major complications and frustrations with this woman, in my opinion. I think you should burn her off and start building your SA portfolio.

Chi, I agree with Lit here. Tell her in no uncertain terms that you cannot see her, and you are no longer interested in seeing her in the future. End of story, no explanation required.

She reminds me of my first foray into the SB pool. The girl texted me the morning of our M&G asking for 2k to stave off eviction. Told her I couldn't help, blocked her number, and haven't looked back. You need to do the same, or your life will be one huge headache.

[EasyGoingJ]

Met some one online and chatted via text and email. Finally set up the meet and was supposed to have this nice dinner in the Slip. Dinner time comes and she doesn't show. I text and nothing, so I finally give her a call. This is where it gets weird, and now I am spooked and getting ready to call the cops.

She says she is going to tell me the truth because I seem like a really nice guy. She says she is working for a woman in Richmond who has several girls on the dating sites.

I fish in the Richmond pond, any further info on this situation? I have searched but can't find anything and would appreciate a link or other info on this SA profile to avoid.

Thanks

[Literal2]

*Unfortunately I was greeted not by labia, but by more Drama!

This time pleas for cash advances sent by 'Moneygram' in advance of our suaret which is still scheduled to commence this coming Friday. The pleas were almost demands, that they should be sent online using my personal credit card so that reciept of the funds could be procured within minutes. On top of this, she still has not commited to being able to make the journey to the FC (due to the bank threatening to reposess her car, she claims). This is prototypical Nando1 behavior. The entire situation has become very tiresome for me and the attaction is now fading fast. I suggested to her that this may not be the best time for her to start up SD / SB relationship, and that maybe we should postpone until she can get her life straight. But of course she is going to disagree due to both her demands for immediate funding, as well the presumed inability to straighten up her life now or in the future!

Chi.

This is bad news. You risk major complications and frustrations with this woman, in my opinion. I think you should burn her off and start building your SA portfolio.

[ChiGuy606]

Gentlemen,

During my morning coffee today, I gingerly opened up the top secret email alias which I keep hidden from the warden. I was eager to see the state of Nando1's genitals, preferably in 10megapixels. Unfortunately I was greeted not by labia, but by more Drama!

This time pleas for cash advances sent by 'Moneygram' in advance of our suaret which is still scheduled to commence this coming Friday. The pleas were almost demands, that they should be sent online using my personal credit card so that reciept of the funds could be procured within minutes. On top of this, she still has not commited to being able to make the journey to the FC (due to the bank threatening to reposess her car, she claims). This is prototypical Nando1 behavior. The entire situation has become very tiresome for me and the attaction is now fading fast. I suggested to her that this may not be the best time for her to start up SD / SB relationship, and that maybe we should postpone until she can get her life straight. But of course she is going to disagree due to both her demands for immediate funding, as well the presumed inability to straighten up her life now or in the future!

C'est la vie.

In the meantime, I have opened a new account, my first, on the SA website, on the ravings from Mr Scott on both the quantity and quality in our shared area. I was suprised to see how right he is! My lines are now in the water, and a steady stream of bites are inbound, some quite tantilizing! It should be a simple task to strike gold here, provided I steer my bow well away from Nando1's (which are in abundance, and I still find myself strangely attracted to ).

My only hesitation is that I feel I am now fishing directly in Mr Scott's waters. Hopefully there is room for both of us to swim Mr Scottie.

Good luck and safe babysitting to you all.

Chi.

This has indeed already started up. There have been 3 dramas since the weekend, with the latest one being that she might not be able to meet me 1/2 way like agreed because her car is at risk of being repossessed. Since she lives 2 hours away, that is going to be a deal breaker for me. Drama & Irresponsibility is very un-sexy to me, and I'm close to just letting this one slip away.

[ChiGuy606]

Nice work on SB2 George. If she's fun and affordable, sounds like a potential ATF candidate.

These, my friend, are sage words of wisdom. You would be wise to take heed:

Re sb 1: just invite her to meet you in a hotel room. That's it. Either she will agree or she won't. If she does, fuck her. If she doesn't agree, just move on.

SB1 should be cognizant of the fact that upon entering the FC, there is a 100% expectation of semen extraction, and panties placed on the rug.

One need not have to specifically chronicle the desire for a semen extraction procedure to be performed. It should be implied by even the most novice of SB upon receipt of the invitation to meet at the FC.

Good luck in your endeavors!

[GeorgeRichmond]

George,

Re sb 1: just invite her to meet you in a hotel room. That's it. Either she will agree or she won't. If she does, fuck her. If she doesn't agree, just move on.

Re sb 2. Sounds like you have already fucked her. Is that right? If so, why do you care if she's a dancer? Did you enjoy fucking her? If not, forget her. If you did, do it again.

Just my views.

Well, on SB2, didn't know what to expect. So only Oral as didn't take hat with me. So she wants to meet tomorrow. Let's see what happens. My only challenge is both of them. Have to drive 2 hours! I like your advise on SB1. I am going to follow it!

[Literal2]

Well, Brothers, I am working through to get more experience with SBs. Working with 2. Here is Case. 1.

SB1: Attractive but want to take it very slow. Will not come to hotel. But enjoying time with me (dinner, drinks and surface level romance). Wanted to spend night but declined. After 3 meets, she wanted full sugar which I am hesitant to give. She was little frustrated but same here. I made it clear. But will see.

SB2: She is 28 yr old, was very clear. In matter of few emails, she sent pics and then ready to have fun. Met at lunch and then went to hotel for quick fun. She is beauty but I have qn. Sugar was little lower than SB1. She said she works in some political office but doesn't get paid. Now, one thing. Was interesting, she doesn't wear any panties (believes free world) and yesterday made comment about night club and will have to be there until 1 AM. Is she a GC-dancer? Made me curious now. She is beauty though. Both the SBs are tall that I like. I like SB2 be'because of her nice shape compared to SB1 which is only good face.

Anyway, SB2 was too quick and very reasonable on sugar and easy to deal. SB1: difficult and high sugar demand. Confused on both! Well. My first time. So still trying to figure this out. But yes, had amazing experience with SB2.

George,

Re sb 1: just invite her to meet you in a hotel room. That's it. Either she will agree or she won't. If she does, fuck her. If she doesn't agree, just move on.

Re sb 2. Sounds like you have already fucked her. Is that right? If so, why do you care if she's a dancer? Did you enjoy fucking her? If not, forget her. If you did, do it again.

Just my views.

[Hernando]

Sorry about the sugar busts ChiGuy and Joe. So it goes in the sugar world.

" Because I've prepaid for a half-month's worth of fun, I'll go on another M&G, but part of me wonders why I'd even waste my time. She's nice, and she's very attractive, but it really feels like I'm being taken for a ride."

I had a stripper "sb" a while back and while she was rather emotionally flat I thought she had good potential for a regular. SHe was a classic Nando 1 and I took a flyer on her before I formulated my SB designation. She was pregnant when I met her and needed $$ to take care of things. She also had some minor Gyn surgery and couldn't have sex for a month. I had sampled the wares on a PTP basis a couple of times so I knew what I was getting into literally. You all see where this is going. I fronted her the $$$ with the idea of paying it forward. Well she hemmed and hawed and kept delaying the return to the FC complaining about medical issues. I know enough about these things to know she was playing that hand waaaay longer than it needed to be. I finally became insistant and got her to agree to enter the fc for a very lackluster performance. No good deed goes unpunished and shortly after that she ended our unrepaid agreement. What recourse do we have? Not one unless you are a lowlife and prone to violent enforcement techniques. So I walked with my ego bruised and my wallet a little lighter.

And I finally learned the big lesson. Stay away from Nando 1 s!

[TomWolfe1925]

"Not only was she suggesting that I pay for her pills"

Sounds like she has you confused with the US Federal Goverment. Was her name 'Fluke'? LOL

[Literal2]

We shall find out how this all ends in a copule of days. Thank you all for your help.

Chi.

May the Force be with you Chi.

If you get her into the room, the panties should hit the floor regardless (although not always, see previous posts today). I just hope you don't get stuck paying for the room with no girl in it.

[GeorgeRichmond]

Well, Brothers, I am working through to get more experience with SBs. Working with 2. Here is Case. 1.

SB1: Attractive but want to take it very slow. Will not come to hotel. But enjoying time with me (dinner, drinks and surface level romance). Wanted to spend night but declined. After 3 meets, she wanted full sugar which I am hesitant to give. She was little frustrated but same here. I made it clear. But will see.

SB2: She is 28 yr old, was very clear. In matter of few emails, she sent pics and then ready to have fun. Met at lunch and then went to hotel for quick fun. She is beauty but I have qn. Sugar was little lower than SB1. She said she works in some political office but doesn't get paid. Now, one thing. Was interesting, she doesn't wear any panties (believes free world) and yesterday made comment about night club and will have to be there until 1 AM. Is she a GC-dancer? Made me curious now. She is beauty though. Both the SBs are tall that I like. I like SB2 be'because of her nice shape compared to SB1 which is only good face.

Anyway, SB2 was too quick and very reasonable on sugar and easy to deal. SB1: difficult and high sugar demand. Confused on both! Well. My first time. So still trying to figure this out. But yes, had amazing experience with SB2.

[JoesParty]

Joe,

For what it's worth, something just smells bad here in my opinion. Let's say for a moment she is not a pro, nor has "done this before." The intensity of the negotiations, at least as you describe them, says to me that she is leading with her bank account first, and this will set the tone for all your future interactions. Ten bucks to hold her hand, twenty to put an arm around her, and so forth. Ok, maybe not that A la carte, but you get the idea.

Now, what she proposes is in all honesty what you should expect to do anyway, I. E. Meals, drinks, hotel, but the fact that she wanted all that on the table up front just doesn't sit well with me. As I say, she may be totally legit, but you and she are entering into this from different points of view, it seems, and you will ultimately be unhappy, I bet. Add to this the fact that it puts you over your comfort level in terms of sugar, and I just see disappointment ahead for both of you.

If it were me, I'd come back to her and say sorry, but this is what I can manage in terms of sugar, and then let her walk, if she does. As we all can attest, there are plenty of fish in the sea.

Hope you can sort it out, and certainly other brothers may have different opinions.

Enjoy the day,

Scott

Scott, I'm sorry to say that you were right on target with this one. I ultimately agreed to her sugar request because we weren't that far apart on numbers. I met SB23 at a hotel last evening, and, at least from my perspective, things did not go well. First, she was quite late, all the while knowing that my time was limited. She was apologetic, but this is the fourth time in four M&Gs that she's been significantly late. I was quite annoyed by the time she arrived.

Second, and I think this is where she showed her true colors, our physical interaction was very limited. Now this is not to imply that I was insisting on sex or anything of the sort, but I suggested we meet at a hotel for more private time, and she readily agreed. I thought, without actually saying the words to her, that we were going to have some significant indoor fun.

She was sexy and flirty and funny. We drank wine and talked for a while. She offered and gave me a nice massage, and then I did the same for her. But then it became clear that, because our clothes were still on, it wasn't going to go any farther. I tried a few moves, made a few suggestions, but to no avail.

Finally, and this is where the train came entirely off the track, she said that she was going to have another monthly expense that she might need help with: birth control. She claims she's not had sex in quite a while (not that I believe her now) , and she stopped her BC a while ago. Here's the thing: I appreciate her caution, as everyone knows that condoms alone are not foolproof, and two methods of protection are better than one. But anyone who knows anything about BC knows that it is not effective right from the start. You need to go through a few months' worth of pills in order to be fully protected.

I was stunned. Not only was she suggesting that I pay for her pills, but it is possible that she expects me to keep providing sugar without receiving anything physical in return.

Needless to say, I'm not happy at all about any of this. It appears Scott was right on with his a la carte analogy. Because I've prepaid for a half-month's worth of fun, I'll go on another M&G, but part of me wonders why I'd even waste my time. She's nice, and she's very attractive, but it really feels like I'm being taken for a ride.

Unless something drastic happens on the next M&G, I'm done with this one. I've learned a lesson here. Good thing I still have a couple of other lines in the water.

[ChiGuy606]

Thank you for the advice Literal. I take it very much to heart.

The pictures I posted were from her modeling profile, so they are indeed staged, However she has sent me many many more private shots that I'm 100% are authentic, (because I had put in quite a few requests that she fulfilled). Those shots are just not posted publicly. I'm not worried about her being a fake, but she's certainly got a good chance of being a flake.

Regarding something Mr Hernando wrote the other day:

If she is a Nando 1 it will be very apparent. The key is the desperate calls for help. Rent's due, car broke, can't afford to fly to her mother's funeral, you know. A Nando 1.

This has indeed already started up. There have been 3 dramas since the weekend, with the latest one being that she might not be able to meet me 1/2 way like agreed because her car is at risk of being repossessed. Since she lives 2 hours away, that is going to be a deal breaker for me. Drama & Irresponsibility is very un-sexy to me, and I'm close to just letting this one slip away.

If she can drive to the designated FC by herself I will still give it a shot. We shall see.

Mandy, Due to the graphic nature of our emails, (I have seen her genitals (many times) in higher resolution than I've ever seen my own at this point). I'm not too concerned about doing 'car play', and would rather just not risk the license plate issue. But if that were on my plan of action, it probably would be easy to accomplish. That is way to trashy for you, but I'm not sure anything is too ttrashy for her.

We shall find out how this all ends in a copule of days. Thank you all for your help.

Chi.

I hope it works out Chiguy. The anticipation is exciting.

My view is that the lady is 50-50 not to show. Why? Well, her communications as you describe them sound more like fantasizing or game-playing than a serious approach. The pix are cute but looked staged to me. There's also a chance she's a pro.

[Literal2]

This comment is more for the new SD's out there who might be "lurking" on this thread. I think this suggestion is completely contextual based on the SB you're playing with. For example, you would NEVER get me to do something in a car. Sorry, but it's just a little too trashy to me. Then again, I've only ever played on one first date which means a potential SD wouldn't be wasting money in that respect.

Maybe this is a gross over generalization on my part, but "car action" seems to be something more prevalent with Nando 1's and in that case. Protect everything about yourself.

Just my thoughts for the morning. Hope everyone has a great day!

Ah, but Mandy:

Would you be flirting with a new prospect by swamping his inbox with pix of your pussy and anus with finger on your clit?

I agree the car technique is contextual. In this case, the risk is the girl's a fake and the point is to call her bluff.

I would probably not attempt the car technique alluded to with Grace Kelly or Princess Di, to name a few, but they'd probably not send out a lot of pussy pix either.

[Literal2]

I've seen posts like this before and didn't quite have the words to chime in on the topic, but I seem to have found them. I'm sorry but I find it funny that you all seem to be annoyed at SB's who make sure the sugar aspect is nailed down before they do anything. While, I will admit this isn't really my style, any new SB who has done her research has read a number of experienced SB's write that this is a must.

The topic of negotiating sugar is well written about and discussed in the SB world. And, we are MUCH more connected than the SD's are. While there aren't lesson on tact, the message does come across that all of the details need to be nailed down before any visits to the fc occur.

Like I said, not my thing, because I do look for more than the allowance but you shouldn't discount a new SB just because of that. She is most likely just doing what she's read.

Mandy

It's like most negotiations: one party dominates. If a girl does her homework, reads the sb blogs, keeps her wits about her and plays the field, she can find any number of horny old toads who will open their wallets and give her whatever she wants if she just promises to spread her legs. That's probably the reasonable, logical, most cost effective course for an sb to take.

But not for a daddy.

There are so many females available online these days there is no need to get bogged down in protracted negos with any one girl. It makes sense to have three or four (or more) conversations going at all times. If a baby wants to negotiate, just stop responding to her. Often she will come back in a few weeks or even months with a more cooperative attitude. The thing is, the sex is usually better for both parties when the female subordinates herself, as the males of almost all species know and expect.

In the sb-sd relationship, the baby controls the desired object, her vagina. But the daddy should always control the sugar.

It was always thus. Nothing new here, although not pc in Sex Prison these days.