"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Literal2** · 01-11-12 07:33

Originally Posted by Castlerae [View Original Post]

***forgot which area this thread is under. With that in mind, if I could suggest to Jackson, it might be a good idea to move this thread out into the separate area for other "specialist" threads. Make it easier to find for everyone who might be interested.***Good luck to all, and hoping I have something to report here someday soon.

Castle, it is ok with me if it is ok with the others and Jackson to move the thread. It's been suggested before and we have enough contributors from outside the Richmond area now.

I see the need to reevaluate my perspective. I'm going to do my best to keep from getting caught up in the game at the expense of the objective: Getting SB's into the fucking chamber and the panties on the floor.

Subcmdr, the magic of the fucking chamber is when you get an sb into it, her panties will automatically drop off. She's already made the decision. You don't have to ask "will you let me fuck you?" you just have to say "let's meet in my room." If she shows up, she will let you fuck her. In my experience this is a difference between sbs and escorts.

***arrange to meet her outside the FC for a drink, with the understanding that as long as you are both in good humor after consumption of a bevg, that you will head to the FC***

Vroom, I agree this is a logical intermediate step if one is needed.

While I appreciate your confidence in me, I have to admit that my balls are nowhere near big enough for what you suggest, though it does add imagery to my fantasy (thank you). I feel that naked pictures are close at hand, however, and I am thinking I will share them if I can crop her face out.

Scott, the way you are gong I think you could probably pull it off, but you're right, it's risky. It's fun to think about though. Re naked pix, I got several the other day from one of my out of state sbs I hadn't heard from for a while. One was of her dripping pussy, which was nice. She proceeded to masturbate with a dildo while texting me. I'd like to share this stuff but won't because she took the pix and so perhaps could identify them, although I guess a dripping pussy is just a dripping pussy and not like a fingerprint or anything. I do like to take my own pix and post them here from time to time, but I'm the only person who can tie the pic to the girl.

On another note, I had an almost mystical reuniting with my very dirty British baby yesterday, about which I will post later. Words like "pus*y","co*k","sl*t", the classic "fuck me harder" and any more you can think of are somehow, at least for me, almost unbearably erotic when said with a Princess Di accent. Good God!

Scott, you are something else. Inspirational. I think those Brit accents are sexy too but I've never fucked one. I'm pretty sure I'd like it though because every time a girl tells me "fuck me harder" in any accent, it commands my attention.

Please keep us posted on your baby count, which I think you said is 16 so far. Leadership has its duties. Several of the mongers here, Cool for example, may be closing in on you. I might try to run you down and pass you myself, assuming I can stay out of the nursing home for another few months.

**SubCmdr** · 01-10-12 22:33

Scott & Lit,

Masterful advice well written and taken. An email has been sent requesting a "test drive" in the fucking chamber. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. She is not that high on the hotness scale. She is a MILF in her 40's, average across the board.

I see the need to reevaluate my perspective. I'm going to do my best to keep from getting caught up in the game at the expense of the objective: Getting SB's into the fucking chamber and the panties on the floor.

Cmdr out

**Castlerae** · 01-10-12 21:29

Sorry for not getting back here sooner, forgot which area this thread is under. With that in mind, if I could suggest to Jackson, it might be a good idea to move this thread out into the separate area for other "specialist" threads. Make it easier to find for everyone who might be interested.

Set a profile up on SA w / pic, but haven't 'pulled the trigger' on making it a paid-for account yet. A large part of that is the lack of any real prospects in the area I was hoping to "fish" in. Something like eight from a large-ish university town I had hoped would be a 'happy hunting ground', and more than half of those haven't been accessed for months. Guess patience is the watch-word.

Good luck to all, and hoping I have something to report here someday soon.

**Literal2** · 01-10-12 21:27

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Lit,

While I appreciate your confidence in me, I have to admit that my balls are nowhere near big enough for what you suggest, though it does add imagery to my fantasy (thank you). I feel that naked pictures are close at hand, however, and I am thinking I will share them if I can crop her face out.

On another note, I had an almost mystical reuniting with my very dirty British baby yesterday, about which I will post later. Words like "pus*why","co*k","sl*t", the classic "fuck me harder" and any more you can think of are somehow, at least for me, almost unbearably erotic when said with a Princess Di accent. Good God!

Latina body double was a no-show, and I'm done. Just too flaky, and fucking time is too hard to secure to have it be iffy that the required other half will show or not. Out of town over-nighter with my ATF now looks dubious as well, but in town is solid, so I have that to look forward to for next week.

Irish Cherokee continues to show positive signs. I really, really do not want to get my hopes up on this, but she is so naturally beautiful, and I would so like for it to work out, it's hard not to think about it in the positive. I am trying not to push on a string, but it requires all my meager will power to do so. Wish me luck, my brothers.

Scott

Good luck Scott. You are number one on the Leader Board by my count, but don't slack off, several sb mongers are closing in on you.

**Literal2** · 01-10-12 21:24

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

During email exchange with a pot SB meeting place and time was set. She wanted to talk sugar. If they insist I'll talk about it. But, I don't negotiate. My thoughts are that if they have a specific amount in mind they are not going to be happy with any less. As suggested on this forum, I have the amount I'm willing to part with and I stick with it. Pot SB relates a story that she had a wonderful SD that visited her 4 times a monthat1K per visit. In addition the relationship lasted six months. A 24K part time job. Not bad work if you can find it. LOL I reply that's nice what is the minimum amount of sugar you need to make you happy. Her reply $$$$/visit. My reply, no thank you and I hope you find what you are looking for. Next day writes me and says $$$/visit or whatever you think is fair. I tell her once again no thank you and I hope you find what you are looking for. She writes back a nasty message to me stating she doesn't understand why I won't give her a chance. I'm laughing to myself.

Still looking for my first success.

Cmdr out

SubCom, this is the classic argument with an sb. I always try to avoid these. Sometimes it's not possible I know.

Re her 1K per visit backdoor man, suggest you tell her to go back to him. There are many many other sbs available.

Re the lower amounts, you are well off to kiss her goodbye and move on if she's not worth it to you.

Could she be worth it? Well: if she's a dog to you, no. But then why do you want to fuck her?

If she's drop dead gorgeous and moves like a dancer, maybe. The price is around the higher end escort price so it falls into the category of baseline sugar which is normalized escort prices for the locale plus or minus based on factors. It's a negotiation and sometimes you have to do it. My opinion is it is always better to avoid talking about sugar up front.

But wait. Didn't she leave you an opening? She said "whatever is fair."

Why say no?

Say ok. Take her to your fucking chamber and fuck her. Afterwards give her what you think is fair. If she comes back again, the prior negotiation was irrelevant. If she doesn't, at least you have fucked her.

With respect, my take is you are trying to protect your dignity in the negotiations when there's no reason to do that.

All you have to do is fuck her.

So fuck her.

Keep us posted.

**Varoom** · 01-10-12 21:06

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

Her reply $$$$/visit. My reply, no thank you and I hope you find what you are looking for. Next day writes me and says $$$/visit or whatever you think is fair. I tell her once again no thank you and I hope you find what you are looking for. She writes back a nasty message to me stating she doesn't understand why I won't give her a chance. I'm laughing to myself.

Still looking for my first success.

Cmdr out

Cmdr is a tough negotiator. You might consider an alteration in your tactic and you will surely have your first conquest before you with this SB.

She is asking you for a chance. Obviously she is inexperienced, as well as are you. Why not tell her what you are willing to pay and let her respond.

In fact, I would write back to her, apologetically, and tell her that you thought it over realized that maybe you were being too harsh by not making an offer to her of what you are willing to pay, and let her know XX. See what her response is back to you. She wants the gig, and likely needs the gig (or maybe gag) , and you should give her the opportunity, IMO.

Since you've had a rough edge or two here to start with this little dolly, you might even arrange to meet her outside the FC for a drink, with the understanding that as long as you are both in good humor after consumption of a bevg, that you will head to the FC. This way if she is anything but eating out of your hand, then no dice. But that is just how I would handle such and encounter. Others will surely differ here.

**F Scott** · 01-10-12 21:02

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

I like that game. There's something about anonymously seducing a girl you know that's exciting. Like you were feeling up your neighbor's wife in a dark theater. Why not extend your effort with the girl you truly and secretly lust for? Get her to meet you someplace it's hard to see your features clearly. Wear a simple disguise. Glasses, hat. Speak as little as possible, using a fake accent. Explain for security you can only spend a few minutes with her in public. Have a prepared fucking chamber nearby. Say you love a romantic encounter. Slip her a key and ask her to precede you, turn out all lights and wait for you in bed. Tell her to help herself to the open bottle of champagne in the ice bucket and pour you a glass. Mention there is a small gift for her on the bedside table but not to open it. Give her 15 minutes, then quietly enter the room using another key. Turn on the ipod you left hooked up to some speakers near the door. Remove your clothes in the dark, creep into bed beside her and fuck her violently, making sure she cums at least twice. While she's recovering from her ecstasy, or maybe just using the bathroom, quietly put your clothes back on and leave. Be sure to pick up the ipod. Don't worry about the speakers, she'll never take them. You won't have much time so I suggest you chug the glass of champagne on your way out. This should enhance the effect.

Lit,

While I appreciate your confidence in me, I have to admit that my balls are nowhere near big enough for what you suggest, though it does add imagery to my fantasy (thank you). I feel that naked pictures are close at hand, however, and I am thinking I will share them if I can crop her face out.

On another note, I had an almost mystical reuniting with my very dirty British baby yesterday, about which I will post later. Words like "pus*y","co*k","sl*t", the classic "fuck me harder" and any more you can think of are somehow, at least for me, almost unbearably erotic when said with a Princess Di accent. Good God!

Latina body double was a no-show, and I'm done. Just too flaky, and fucking time is too hard to secure to have it be iffy that the required other half will show or not. Out of town over-nighter with my ATF now looks dubious as well, but in town is solid, so I have that to look forward to for next week.

Irish Cherokee continues to show positive signs. I really, really do not want to get my hopes up on this, but she is so naturally beautiful, and I would so like for it to work out, it's hard not to think about it in the positive. I am trying not to push on a string, but it requires all my meager will power to do so. Wish me luck, my brothers.

Scott

**F Scott** · 01-10-12 20:45

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

During email exchange with a pot SB meeting place and time was set. She wanted to talk sugar. If they insist I'll talk about it. But, I don't negotiate. My thoughts are that if they have a specific amount in mind they are not going to be happy with any less. As suggested on this forum, I have the amount I'm willing to part with and I stick with it. Pot SB relates a story that she had a wonderful SD that visited her 4 times a monthat1K per visit. In addition the relationship lasted six months. A 24K part time job. Not bad work if you can find it. LOL I reply that's nice what is the minimum amount of sugar you need to make you happy. Her reply $$$$/visit. My reply, no thank you and I hope you find what you are looking for. Next day writes me and says $$$/visit or whatever you think is fair. I tell her once again no thank you and I hope you find what you are looking for. She writes back a nasty message to me stating she doesn't understand why I won't give her a chance. I'm laughing to myself.

Still looking for my first success.

Cmdr out

Commander,

Just for laughs, ask her if she would consent to a "test drive." My research has shown that such a thing sometimes is attainable, though I have never had the temerity to suggest it myself. What do you have to lose?

If you are rebuffed, you are no worse than where you are now, and if cleared for landing, what a great story you can tell.

Keep up abreast,

Scott

**SubCmdr** · 01-10-12 12:34

During email exchange with a pot SB meeting place and time was set. She wanted to talk sugar. If they insist I'll talk about it. But, I don't negotiate. My thoughts are that if they have a specific amount in mind they are not going to be happy with any less. As suggested on this forum, I have the amount I'm willing to part with and I stick with it. Pot SB relates a story that she had a wonderful SD that visited her 4 times a monthat1K per visit. In addition the relationship lasted six months. A 24K part time job. Not bad work if you can find it. LOL I reply that's nice what is the minimum amount of sugar you need to make you happy. Her reply $$$$/visit. My reply, no thank you and I hope you find what you are looking for. Next day writes me and says $$$/visit or whatever you think is fair. I tell her once again no thank you and I hope you find what you are looking for. She writes back a nasty message to me stating she doesn't understand why I won't give her a chance. I'm laughing to myself.

Still looking for my first success.

Cmdr out

**Literal2** · 01-10-12 11:50

Originally Posted by Coolhand2 [View Original Post]

Lit;

Just remember, the pussy was wondrous. The mind was a bottomless pit where I was afraid to wander. Very afraid. Don't know about every case but that was my experience.

Now that I think of it, when I first started mongering, an 18 YO escort appeared in my hotel room. She said she had been a dancer since she was 15, had been abused and was full of rage. I told her I was sorry for her experiences and that we didn't have to do anything. She said she wanted to proceed but only one pop. I was unfamiliar with the terminology at the time and asked, what does that mean? She said, think about it, you'll figure it out. Eventually she lay down on the bed and I took off her clothes. I lay beside her and caressed her. I licked her pussy a little bit. Eventually I sat up and rubbed her clit with my thumb until she came. Mr Johnson was worried about the situation and there was no vitamin v to reassure him, so I never penetrated her. When she left she said thank you.

**Coolhand2** · 01-09-12 23:49

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

Cool, I've never fucked an 18 YO, at least not since I was 20. I did have a wild time in the VIP with an 18YO stripper but it stopped short of a release for me. She climaxed though. I pursued an 18 and 19 YO last year for weeks and each agreed to meet me but disappeared as the time to meet approached. I stopped trying after that. I concluded they are too unreliable. But you give me new hope. Who knows what the future will bring.

Lit;

Just remember, the pussy was wondrous. The mind was a bottomless pit where I was afraid to wander. Very afraid. Don't know about every case but that was my experience.

**Literal2** · 01-09-12 23:31

Scott, I hope you get all these babes. You are a happy warrior. Keep it up. Keep us posted.

Cool, I've never fucked an 18 YO, at least not since I was 20. I did have a wild time in the VIP with an 18YO stripper but it stopped short of a release for me. She climaxed though. I pursued an 18 and 19 YO last year for weeks and each agreed to meet me but disappeared as the time to meet approached. I stopped trying after that. I concluded they are too unreliable. But you give me new hope. Who knows what the future will bring.

**F Scott** · 01-09-12 13:33

Gentlemen,

Off in half an hour to reacquaint myself with the details of SB5, a gorgeous Brit ex-pat whom I had let slip away in favor of fresh conquests. She informed me not too long ago that she no longer has a roommate, thus can easily accommodate our activities chez elle. Scottie and I are ready, and I have carved out a three hour chunk to make sure all bases are well touched upon. If you have never heard a baby moan to you,"fuck me harder, I'm your sl*t" in a high-class British accent, well, you just haven't lived.

In other news, I have a second overnight, this one out of town, scheduled with my ATF. So excited. And my M&G with my little Latina body double tomorrow afternoon.

Lastly, I hate to bring it up for fear of jinxing things, but my Irish / Cherokee baby has reconnected, and appears contrite and eager to make amends. This I will not let myself get too far out in front of like before, but wouldn't it be nice? "Yes" is the answer.

Life is good,

Scott

**Literal2** · 01-09-12 07:41

Originally Posted by Novaguy2 [View Original Post]

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