"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Literal2** · 01-01-12 13:31

Originally Posted by Cantwinlosin [View Original Post]

Medium-light skinned black with very smooth and even complexion everywhere, lovely golden-brown eyes, and medium but very smooth and sweet lips. Frankly, I normally avoid black SBs, as many are too ghetto and most have too much drama. But this girl has the sensibilities of her profession and her upbringing; she's educated, intelligent and classy without the whole "my shit don't stink" attitude a lot of wannabe-classy women bring to the table.

I'll be interested to hear how this goes. The girl sounds very attractive.

I am attracted to many pretty AA women these days, at least the celebrities, but I have never penetrated or even dfk'd one. Never put a finger in an AA girl or sucked her nipples. I've thought about it though.

Most recently, there was a very pretty looking high school girl (supposedly) advertising on Richmond BP. This was about last March. She was 18 (supposedly). I contacted her and we tried to work out a time. I couldn't do days at that point and she couldn't do the evening and she wouldn't travel from her home. She said it was too dangerous. Since I couldn't make the date anyway I didn't have to think through whether or not I would go to her home. At the time I was seeking a back-up for a no-show sb date. I think if I had obtained access I would have fucked her willingly (assuming she was over 18).

But with AA girls I worry about a couple things. Most AA women seem to me to dislike older white guys. Why is that? I'm not sure, maybe they think we don't like them. Then there is the whole hair thing I don't understand. You aren't supposed to touch their hair. When you are fucking them? What's with that?

CWL, maybe you can advise if your date goes through.

**Literal2** · 01-01-12 12:42

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

*She is beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, but not in the way the artist / model was. More like a real, natural beauty, with the most open, innocent face and gorgeous lips.

*I'm fucked, I believe, in more ways than one. I think I really might want to see this through, but have pangs of guilt about my ATF, who in one of the most ironic of coincidences texted me this morning to say that she's back in town from visiting her dad and wants to get together next week at our new favorite inn / restaurant for some quality alone time*My question to you all is this: is it really cheating if I didn't seek it out? Who would be so rude as to look a gift baby in the mouth, so to speak?

Scott, I have read all your excellent posts and remember, I think, your important points. I can't be sure these days as my short term memory is lousy. Anyway, as I recall you have a reporting relationship with a warden and you have consumed a great many tasty babies already. Always in a thoughtful way I might add. Now, as I understand it, you have become somewhat or at least sometimes somewhat besotted with your HYB (or HYC) and for a time have practiced episodic monogamy, or at least you have at least occasionally refrained from fucking anyone other than your atf sb hyb or hyc (save for the warden herself, presumably). Now you pose the ethical dilemma to the Board: is it moral, under these circumstances, to jump on and make a deposit in "a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful *real*natural beauty" with "the most open, innocent face and gorgeous lips"?

In short, my answer is yes. This will not be the answer of Ariana Huffington or, for that matter, nearly any American female over the age of 25. However, the code of the sd is to seek happiness without doing harm and as long as you don't rip the new baby off in some way that is not evident to me or inseminate her or harm her physically and she is of legal age, I don't see a violation of the code. Others may disagree.

However, multifucking, as previously noted, carries security risks. With multiple multifucked repeating sbs at hand, Golf's geometric risk progressions tend towards the infinite and may veer out of control.

So be careful, senior monger. If you go forth to ejaculate in this new baby it is in keeping with the best sd principles but is a brave act in which you put yourself at risk. Let us know how it goes.

**Literal2** · 01-01-12 10:45

Originally Posted by Golfcart [View Original Post]

Yes, security is difficult to maintain, certainly when seeing the same girl multiple times. I think the risk is a geometric progression. That second time presents two or three times the risk of the first, and keeps going up.

Good wishes to you also, Golf. I've enjoyed getting caught up on your posts.

One reason I like this thread is because I could talk with similar minded mongers about what I was doing. There was nobody else I could safely talk to about it.

Some of you sb mongers clearly have more experience than I do. I consumed 12 tasty little babies in a five month period last year, but I've only made semen deposits in 83 women lifetime and am currently well into my seventh decade. It was a boost to set personal best in the volume / rate of new girls fucked at such a late date in the race so to speak. I think about the 12 a lot but details tend to blur as time passes. I am aware some of you are far more successful than I in spreading your seed around.

Security is always a big deal for me. I experience an attack of paranoia at some point in every session with an sb. If I'm re-penetrating, I have to guard against a false sense of security that there is less of a risk because I've been with her before. The main source of risk was always that the sbs I want to fuck are the ones looking for a continuing relationship, but a continuing relationship is not what I want. I fucked about half of the 12 more than once, and when I did I was constantly trying to re-set their expectations.

The repeaters:

Sb2. A pudgy 30 year old healthcare provider wanted something reliable and long term; when she emailed me I wasn't reliable enough in the sugar department, I was scared it was a blackmail threat, but she just moved on. Low security risk now. She wants somebody other than me.

Sb4. A 27 year old brunette receptionist HYB with a kid; she has a perfect ass and suburban housewife consumption habits. She's my atf sb but she sends me requests for sugar every few weeks, I get paranoid every time, but if I go back to any of the 12 again it will be her. I consider her a semi-pro. Have I sent her more sugar? Yes, once. High security risk. She doesn't know who I am but has seen my license plate. Worse, I want to see her again.

Sb9. A 27 year old file clerk / part time college student party girl, voluptuous and compulsive, makes no demands but is erratic in every aspect of her life. I haven't heard from her for a while and I expect she has moved on. Medium security risk. She expects to rotate men but she is clever and tough enough to make a threat.

Sb12. A 38 year old divorced suburban housewife with a kid, desperate; long negotiations over the GPS; great sex. One month later she emailed me she was homeless, with the kid, and needed help. I referred her to the child welfare authorities. She cursed me out and disappeared. Low security risk. She has no idea who I am or where I live. She's only seen me twice, on days 1 and 4 in an out of town hotel during a 4-day multifucking period.

Sb16. 26 year old office worker, HYB (B is for butt in this case, she is flat) got drunk in the hotel bar, talked provocatively about a threesome with her friend. When I saw her the second time, she was sober but the sex was still too perfunctory. She emailed me several times demanding another date but I ignored her; I'm still a little worried about this one since she saw my license plate on the second date. Plus I think she may have gotten my name from the hotel bar man (I paid cash but she could have told him my room number and he could have looked it up.) High security risk.

Sb18. My 23 year old HYB, recent college grad with a dull job, another atf. I saw her many times. She was obviously different from the start. I asked her if she knew what she was getting into before I opened up her pussy, I told her I was attached and temporary and couldn't support her. She said thats just what she wanted until her future life clarified. We never talked sugar. She always came to the hotel and stayed as long as I liked. Conversation would drag (too many "awesome"s) , our tastes were totally different (she likes hip hop, I prefer opera, as fucking music). She was very submissive and passionate in bed but regulated our relationship well. I told her in July it would be our last time, at least for several months. She said,"Oh. Well let me hear from you sometime." Every other sb has followed up after I last saw her. Not this one. When I finally emailed her after several months, there was no reply. A rare, perfect, non-threatening relationship for me, but dissatisfying nonetheless. I couldn't stand to be with her for more than a few hours. Low security risk.

**Golfcart** · 12-31-11 20:20

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

I just dropped by for the first time in several months to see how you guys are doing. I'm blown away. You've made this into a great forum. I've skimmed the posts since last August and have several enjoyable rtff hours ahead.

As for my activity level, I have taken a break. I haven't fucked an sb since July.

I spent more than a month trying to cancel my subscription to sd4me and finally cancelled the goddam card number. I note there are several good ideas on how to avoid this problem in the posts of the last several months.

I may or may not get back in the game, I haven't decided yet. The need to maintain security can be exhausting. Sometimes I start to feel sorry for the girls. Sometimes my dick gets sore or wimps out. If I do get back in I may try SA.

I really like how you've fixed up the place and I'm going to have fun lurking around for a while.

May the sbs all spread their legs for you and may all your vaginas be moist in the New Year.

I'm happy to know Lit wasn't caught by the warden. That was my concern. At least he is staying tuned.

Yes, security is difficult to maintain, certainly when seeing the same girl multiple times. I think the risk is a geometric progression. That second time presents two or three times the risk of the first, and keeps going up.

**Dirty Dingus** · 12-31-11 18:14

I just completed my first months membership on SA, and found it to be much less scam than SD4Me. I made a couple good connections and have a few others that I may meet with when the time arises. At the end of my pay period, there were no problems, the VIP part of the membership stopped, and unlike SD4Me, there was no effort of the part of the SA site to continue charging my card. SD4Me is a bit more flashy website with the option to chat live with the SB's, but that is about the only advantage that I saw over the SA site. I also noticed that on both websites, it seems that when you aren't a paying member you get more unsolicited messages from SB's (but more so on SD4Me). I assume this is to try to convince you to become a paying member so that you can read the messages. Once you become a paying member, then most of those SB's never respond back to you! LOL Not sure you if would call that "marketing" or "scam". Also, I found more SB's that seemed to be using fake pics on SD4Me. I had been a member of SD4Me several times over the last couple years and made a few good connections. I learned early that it was hell cancelling your membership with a credit card. If / when I join a SD site again, it will most definitely be SA.

**CantWinLosin** · 12-31-11 11:10

Originally Posted by AsianLPGAfan [View Original Post]

So she if she stays she is also "African American"?

Medium-light skinned black with very smooth and even complexion everywhere, lovely golden-brown eyes, and medium but very smooth and sweet lips. Frankly, I normally avoid black SBs, as many are too ghetto and most have too much drama. But this girl has the sensibilities of her profession and her upbringing; she's educated, intelligent and classy without the whole "my shit don't stink" attitude a lot of wannabe-classy women bring to the table.

**Literal2** · 12-31-11 07:50

I just dropped by for the first time in several months to see how you guys are doing. I'm blown away. You've made this into a great forum. I've skimmed the posts since last August and have several enjoyable rtff hours ahead.

As for my activity level, I have taken a break. I haven't fucked an sb since July.

I spent more than a month trying to cancel my subscription to sd4me and finally cancelled the goddam card number. I note there are several good ideas on how to avoid this problem in the posts of the last several months.

I may or may not get back in the game, I haven't decided yet. The need to maintain security can be exhausting. Sometimes I start to feel sorry for the girls. Sometimes my dick gets sore or wimps out. If I do get back in I may try SA.

I really like how you've fixed up the place and I'm going to have fun lurking around for a while.

May the sbs all spread their legs for you and may all your vaginas be moist in the New Year.

**AsianLPGAfan** · 12-29-11 18:57

Originally Posted by Cantwinlosin [View Original Post]

Met a new baby yesterday. South African (with that lovely accent) , intelligent and funny, quite possibly the finest body I've ever seen. Initial meeting went very well. We get together this coming week for a play date. Keeping my fingers crossed.

So she if she stays she is also "African American"?

**Varoom** · 12-29-11 18:27

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

My question to you all is this: is it really cheating if I didn't seek it out? Who would be so rude as to look a gift baby in the mouth, so to speak?

In parting, I want to wish you all a safe, happy and wise New Year's Eve, and a 2012 filled with sleek, agile and spirited babies.

Cheating. I'd say it is cheating if you don't slide one down this lovely HCB's (brunettes) throat. Cheating her out of the experience.

Now let me tell you what I was thinking as I read your soliloquy. And came upon the part of your HYB returning, etc. I thought,"I wonder if she is setting ole Scotty up here." By providing some bait that is litterally just too damned good to pass up on, just to see if you would be true to her or not? OR, what about you go visit the new HCB this next week, and your HYB is also there. In yearning desire for a 3-some. Wow, now wouldn't that knock your socks (and the rest of you) off?

Well yes, my imagination has really run amuck now hasn't it. So here is wishing you gentlemen a very Happy and Healthy New Year. No need to wish Scott the best with the ladies, as it sounds like he has two of the best in all of Va. Already. Enjoy them both, my good friend.

**F Scott** · 12-29-11 17:52

Gentlemen,

I'm not sure where this will lead, if anywhere, but I had coffee this morning, finally, with an HCB that I had been corresponding with, off and on, since June. Initially back then all signs indicated a speedy landing. Lots of "when we finally meet I'm going to" and that sort of thing, which frankly I found quite enjoyable to read and respond to. It was almost to the level of phone sex, but I didn't have to give her a credit card first.

We had arranged our first meeting in early August, then I had to cancel for some silly reason, and things just never got back up to the level of a rolling boil again. I drifted off, and it was a little while later that I met my ATF, and, well you know the rest. I really did like this baby, though, and not just for the sexy-talk. She seemed sweet, young and a little wounded perhaps, and so my nurturing instincts went into overdrive. Plus the two photos she sent me showed a beautiful little baby who looked like a dark-haired Claire Danes (if I'm spelling her name correctly. You all know who I mean).

Well last week, out of the blue, she emailed me and said she was eager to meet, and so this morning we finally did. She is beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, but not in the way the artist / model was. More like a real, natural beauty, with the most open, innocent face and gorgeous lips. She is part Cherokee and part Irish (good God) and is smart, funny, articulate and sexy in a college-sweetheart kind of way. We spent almost two hours talking and laughing, and then I had to get back to work. I walked her part of the way back to her house, gave her a hug, and said goodbye, with plans to meet next week. Her parting words to me were "you are delightful, and next time we meet we'll be good to go."

I'm fucked, I believe, in more ways than one. I think I really might want to see this through, but have pangs of guilt about my ATF, who in one of the most ironic of coincidences texted me this morning to say that she's back in town from visiting her dad and wants to get together next week at our new favorite inn / restaurant for some quality alone time.

My question to you all is this: is it really cheating if I didn't seek it out? Who would be so rude as to look a gift baby in the mouth, so to speak?

In parting, I want to wish you all a safe, happy and wise New Year's Eve, and a 2012 filled with sleek, agile and spirited babies.

Don't forget to write,

Scott

**F Scott** · 12-28-11 16:23

Originally Posted by Cantwinlosin [View Original Post]

Met a new baby yesterday. South African (with that lovely accent) , intelligent and funny, quite possibly the finest body I've ever seen. Initial meeting went very well. We get together this coming week for a play date. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Hey Win,

Congratulations on your new contact. When I was down south not too long ago, I was out of my mind with all those fabulous babies and their adorable accents. I've got wood just thinking about them.

Good luck to you, and keep your brothers informed!

Scott

**CantWinLosin** · 12-28-11 10:58

Met a new baby yesterday. South African (with that lovely accent) , intelligent and funny, quite possibly the finest body I've ever seen. Initial meeting went very well. We get together this coming week for a play date. Keeping my fingers crossed.

**Golfcart** · 12-28-11 02:27

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

I have observed over the years that it is only when we examine the "downside" of the deal, ie the negative outcome, and are ok with that, that we are in a true position of power. We can't be made to do anything for which we are not prepared.

We have a similar view. I look at it as not being afraid to lose. A man unafraid cannot be pushed around by another in a stronger position who is afraid.

**Varoom** · 12-27-11 23:35

Originally Posted by Spitfire [View Original Post]

Hernando,

Just enjoy the ride and maintain friendly relations if you can hold your emotions in check. It's hard, but we have to accept that these gems are not seeking deep emotional attachment or a lasting relationship. In essence they are seeking $ without feeling like they are having sex for $. Confrontation is a bad idea. Just decide if you can handle it. If not, move on to the next one. It's all you can do. No sense getting hurt in this game. No offense intended!

Spit:

Great advice. The only problem is, from Nando's perspective he cannot hear this advice, as he is "IN" way too deep to be able to just say next. And move on.

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

I have been reading all your observations and advice to our friend Nando, and, in addition to feeling they are also directed at me, Scott

Actually Scott, I have examined the patient and hear a rather strong heartbeat. In other words, I have been greatly encouraged by some of your writings of late concerning you perspective and pronounce you in the endeavor in a much more sane manner than had been originally anticipated. I recall reading not long ago of your thryst with a young lass in another city, and seeming that you are functioning quite well. So for the moment you are excluded from the previous writings (or ramblings) that were intended from me to Nando.

I know I am giving Nando grief here, but certainly in the most well intentioned and brotherly fashions. All in good fun, and hoping that if (and when) the thud occurs, that Nando can pick himself up and best dusted off for the next young Queen in no time. We are merely attempting to help the ole Nando.

**Spitfire** · 12-27-11 21:26

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

I have been reading all your observations and advice to our friend Nando, and, in addition to feeling they are also directed at me, I'd like to offer yet another perspective for group consideration. I realize I am speaking from Nando's side of the fence on this point, but why should He sublimate his feelings and expectations in regards to his ATF's treatment of him if it bothers him?

I have made a career out of making deals of one sort or another, and I have developed a simple philosophy: anyone can envision and embrace the "upside" of a deal, namely that we get the whished-for positive outcome. When we are successful in this manner, we think we have power over the situation. I have observed over the years that it is only when we examine the "downside" of the deal, ie the negative outcome, and are ok with that, that we are in a true position of power. We can't be made to do anything for which we are not prepared.

Using Nando's, or my, situation as a real life example, if we are willing to accept that our babies might bolt on us, there is no harm in making our feelings, or in this case Nando's irritations, known. In my particular case, I had a frank talk with my ATF about her strange "aloofness" and we sorted it out and now things are golden again. I wonder if I had not had that talk with her, but rather kept it to myself for fear of ruining things, if it might not have had a negative effect on our relationship in that I would have behaved differently towards her, she would have sensed it and reacted, and so on downwards.

In the end, I guess, we are all looking for a connection, at times some deeper than others."Honesty" is a word that gets used a lot in the SB world, which on one hand is ironic given the forum in which we are operating, but on the other hand is something that many of these little fish are obviously not getting elsewhere. Could it be that they view honesty as power? An interesting idea to ponder.

In any event, keep up the good work, gentlemen.

I know I am not alone when I say that I await some salacious reports.

All the best,

Scott

A good perspective!