"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Golfcart]

We might have a SB interested in meeting some of our friends and not know it (more likely) or we might have friends we think would be interested in her. Each of us is reluctant to bring the subject up.

I've never gone down this path myself and wouldn't. There's only one way for it to turn out but several ways it could backfire. With women things are unpredictable. The status quo could certainly change in the eyes of someone.

[Ahlewutz]

Greetings everyone. I stumbled upon this thread by searching for a potential Russian rip off that was mentioned here (I think the girl is actually real). Anyway, I'm new here, but not new to the SD / SB scene. I have been on and off the SDforme dot com site for 4 years now. I don't bother to search for SBs in strip clubs, AMPs or Craigslist (now Backpage) areas, because these girls are truly either pro, lesbian, addicts, maniacs or plain unapproachable. Too much time for too little gain. These are great for the quick fuck, but nothing more. Having said that, Rhode Island is paradise for AMP or sc fucks.

Brief opinion on the thread title: amateurs or not? Someone posted the perfect definition and mentioned that the girls sway more or less to either side, which I find very true. I found and have been with numerous pro girls who use these sites to find new regulars (which they prefer over daily new ones) and immediately offer to meet at a fuck chamber with immediate start of "spoiling" (read: well defined donation) but I also found a 22 yo girl who just got on the site by recommendation and we dated exclusively for 6 months (well, almost exclusive on my part, ahem). I broke it off because her immaturity got on my nerves and she lived 150 miles away, killing spontaneity, otherwise this could have been a true LTR.

I have thoughts about three mentalities of girls re:SB motivation and would be interested in knowing your opinion as well :

1) Young girls 18-30. Tend to be less personal about sex. The "hook up " mentality we read about that did not exist when I went to college (Damn it!) They are less likely to get emotionally invested and just enjoy fucking on a lark and out of curiosity. More like men. With as many as they can, and therefore are less likely to stick with one partner. ;

2) middle youth #1-39. Tend to be survival oriented. Usually have kids, and usually fall into my cat. 1 and / or 3.

And will line up as many SDs as possible for the income; and

3) MILFs 40 plus. Who frequently want a partner to play with. Usually one at a time-and not always into the money.

This is sort of a modification of my experience SBs to date.

I found Hernando's post interesting, but have somewhat different experience. In New England, where I roam, I find the desperate woman in all age ranges, starting from 18 to 45, women who can't get their life together because they either really hit one hard time after another or, more commonly, never learned how to get it together or, also common, are plain uneducated.

I agree that the 18-25 range hooks up much more impersonally, but also gives it up much easier. Desperation seems to change from purely financial needs in the really young range to financial plus emotional desperation, because women between 25 and 35 start to realize that they are on a loosing track. The 35-50+ range finally is something I always wondered about, why they even start out on a site like that, until someone told me that they search for real dates and LTRs, but want someone successful, experienced, worldly, well off and without baggage. Makes sense. But that is the age range that I taste the least often. I am in my early 50s and I crave young pussy. 18 is just fine with me. My preferred range is 18-25, but I do venture out up to 40 from time to time, if the girl looks really good or, just as good, has big natural tits. There is no such thing as too big, there is only too small. .

I have 2-5 girls in contact at any given time when I'm active and get at least one date per week out of it, and up to daily if I push it (which I find rather exhausting). I enjoy the non-pro SB chase to some extend (it's a bigger feeling of success) and don't mind starting with a platonic date, take her out for dinner and chit chat. I am not good looking at all, balding, too much belly, but I am genuinely nice, smile a lot and make the girl the center of attention, listen rather than talk and I keep my word, which is a powerful persuasion. I am also upfront and honest ("whereas I understand that we won't hop into bed right away, I would be dishonest if I didn't admit that I do want a physical relationship". Gets me laid every time). If girls don't respond to my approaches, they find me too unattractive (or they are true gold diggers looking for $3g+ a month). I found that this approach puts them at ease and they almost always find me very nice, tell me that I'm way different than the average guy on that site. I'd say that my overall score is about 80% getting laid within the first 2 dates, if I don't break it off after #1. No serious money spent at that point in most cases. Sometimes I take them shopping but I never pay upfront for a lay unless the girl is really worth it (but never in cash, always through shopping or such).

I'll close my introduction with my latest SB, a 19 year old black girl who is 7 months pregnant (yumm! When she texted me to ask if her pregnancy would be a problem, I could hardly contain myself and managed to get a calm "not at all my dear" out). A couple more weeks and I will savor some dairy and I'm really looking forward to streams of that once she popped. Good looking girl, the firmest tits I've had in a while, tight, patient, good and deep oral skills and once she's done, she'll have her banging body back, which she showed on the site. Stays overnight with me for the equivalent of a pro donation. We text almost each day, she surprises me with sexy pictures and I wake her up with a "good morning, Sunshine!". A very promising start, looking forward to Saturday. <smile

Stay safe, be nice. You'll find me more often here.

[Coolhand2]

Cool is fucking so many babies he barely has time to post anymore.

Lit, I'm still here. Just trying to catch up with you.

With that in mind; yesterday I met for the first time with CSB10. 25 yrs old. 5'7, shoulder length hair, nice body and great tits. We communicated extensively on SD site, starting texting and then went to private email. She moved here from out-of state to help out family, couldn't find work and was now strapped for cash. The amount of sugar never came up in any of our conversations, only she wanted to be sure that there would be sugar. She sent additional pictures by email, all fully clothed, that accented her best features. I did not provide a picture, only my usual description. The text messages got pretty steamy and at times down right raunchy In a word, she seemed TGTBT. She's been ready to meet for over a week but yesterday was the first time I could schedule a trip. She agreed to meet me at the fucking chamber. When I answered the door the girl in the pictures was standing in front of me. Big relief. She was a little apprehensive so we sat down on the couch to talk. (For 1st meetings, I try to get a FC that has a couch as well as a bed.) After a while she relaxed and after a little make out session she was more then ready to get it on. Very aggressive once she got going and, as she had told me, she loved oral. There were times when my dick disappeared down her throat for several minutes at a stretch, that I wondered if I was ever going to see it again. She loved DATY, and could contort that sweet young body into any position I could think of. Her pussy was nice and tight and pumped out enough fluids to rival the Mississippi at flood stage. Just the right amount of "dirty talk" to keep me excited and trying to break her in half. These 20 somethings are something else. After about 3+ hours, I had to head back and as she was getting dressed I slipped the envelope into her purse. She never looked at it but thanked me as she left. She is a keeper.

Met CSB8 (41 yr old nurse, MILF) for the second time today. She was clearly there to fuck and suck and be eaten. She was so much more relaxed then the first time and was totally, totally into it. A very nice ride which built very nicely on the first. There's something to be said for the MILF when they relax and get into it. Another positive there were no requests for sugar in between our meetings. There were a couple of comments about how hard she was having it but no requests. A definite keeper as well.

[Literal2]

L2,

Keep in mind this "session" lasted about 8 hours LOL. The first 2 were pretty easy, but I had to work at the last one. With my determination and her talented mouth, success was achieved. BTW I'm not 60 yet but pretty damn close!

You should set up an education seminar with your sb leading and we all bring our atf sugarbabes.

[Magic Rat]

L2,

Keep in mind this "session" lasted about 8 hours LOL. The first 2 were pretty easy, but I had to work at the last one. With my determination and her talented mouth, success was achieved. BTW I'm not 60 yet but pretty damn close!

Holy Shit, three pops! I haven't been able to do this for several decades. Can anyone here past 60 shoot three loads into a girl in one session?

[Literal2]

Many years ago I read one of those "How to pick up girls" books. Most of the book was bullshit, but one part of it has always stuck with me, and it kind of correlates to Spitfire's "scale line". The book documented that sexually there are 4 types of women: the Honest Digger. The woman who just loves sex for sex's sake, without any need to assign emotional baggage to the act; the Sexual Barterer. The woman who primarily sees sex as something to trade to get her physical, emotional and / or financial needs met; the Hung Up About It. The woman who has significant moral, emotional or psychological issues associated with sex, to the point that it significantly inhibits or prevents her from enjoying or even having it or it affects those other emotional / psych issues; and the Physically Incapable. The women with injury, deformity or condition that makes sex physically impossible or too painful to perform. There is some overlap in groups. A Barterer may have specific hang-ups against specific sex acts or styles, etc. But in general the Barterers make up the largest group, followed by the Hung-Ups in a disturbingly large second place, third are the Incapables, and by far the smallest group is the Diggers. The book was written in the 80's, but I see no reason to think that classification system or the percentages have changed materially in the 30 years since.

Long long ago in a galaxy far far away, I was young, single, decent looking, and worked steadily as a performing musician in a fairly large metro area for a few years; it was a time when I never went home alone if I didn't want to. Out of the hundreds of women I've bedded in my life, I can say that I've known exactly 2 that were true Diggers. The rest were Barterers and / or Hung-Ups. It's an iron-clad fact that any woman you meet where sex is the primary determinate from the start will be a Barterer, but it's important to remember that she probably has Hang-Ups too. The trick is to determine as early as possible what her needs and hang-ups are, so you can cater to the former and avoid the latter.

CWL knows whereof he speaks, fellow sb mongers, Here's an earlier post to show you what I mean.

"Hundreds of women." I said damn me once before and I'll say it again. Damn me.

CWL appears to be leading the charge into the ranks of older sbs. I'm glad to hear there's so much potential out there. I just haven't tried them yet.

I once visited a strip club with 60 year old strippers. The deal was they did a bump and grind right on top of your drink, crotches one foot from your face. It was the worst experience I ever had in an sc. Well, wait a minute. There was one young chubby girl there. Early twenties and desperate. After I told the grannies to beat it, I beckoned her over. The grannies stared at her threateningly, but she took me in a back room with a folding chair (yes this place was a DUMP) and pulled my hand into her bikini so I could finger fuck her. This was nice enough, but then she wanted support payments and etc. Etc. Etc. I never went back.

[CantWinLosin]

I haven't run across anyone like this. The one 39 year old (thats what she said anyway) sb I've fucked was really slick and open in the pussy when her panties came off it is true and desperately wanted me to be the one guy for her, but she was very sugar focused and it took me a long time to get her to be reasonable about it. She was highly skilled though. Damn.

Been busy lately so I haven't contributed much, but thought I'd confirm this, at least to an extent.

The last two SBs I've met were a mid-40's escort and a 50-yr-old nurse. The escort is probably THE best fuck I've ever experienced, consistently. Petite, super tight everywhere, skills for days, and an "honest digger" (see my previous post on classifications of women as sex partners.) But she's all about the sugar, and she's gone out of town a lot.

The 50-yr-old is purely in it for the sex. She's not looking for commitments or "dating", and other than my covering her gas when she drives across town to see me, she doesn't expect sugar tho' she does appreciate the occasional gift of lingerie or wine. She's got a bangin' body for her age and the fact that she's had multiple kids - obviously not the tight, toned body of a much younger girl, but there's a lot to be said for a body that's been well lived in, as she certainly knows how to use it, and a wonderful attitude makes up for a lot. Given a Megan Fox-style body occupied by a snotty, self-possessed attitude, or some sag in the tits and ass but real, honest appreciation for the fucking I give her, I'll take the latter every time. And on top of it she has a brain and can carry on an adult conversation.

The other 40- and 50-somethings I've met tend to match this 50-yr-old. Not all - just exchanged emails last night with a 43-yr-old blonde in VB, found on the SD4Me site, who's pretty attractive but made it clear that she's hurting financially and is all about the sugar - but a little careful reading of profiles and emails will let you weed those out.

[Hernando]

Therein lies the problem.Lit hit the nail on the head.

I budget $1-2 000 / month to play depending on the quality of babies available to me, so if I oversupply one girl the volume goes down. I require about 2-3 dates / week, so I have to be careful with each one. And I like to have $ left over to buy gifts and treats on top of the envelope at the end of the night.

[Literal2]

My MILF was upper 30's.prob more like early 40's, beautiful face, chubby body.I'd say she is a 9 face. 5 body. 9 personality. 9 performance. If she lost her baby weight she'd be a 9 across the board. We spent two night together and she was a horndog.and I fucked her brains out. But.after our last night together.she bolted, saying that she was reevaluating her situation (marriage, kids, etc) However, she is still on there anonymously and says she likes young stuff.so who knows? If you are under 40 and run across her she might give you a run.

I have only had one sb drop me and she said it was because she needed more sugar. I tend to be generous and get less bang for the buck but it keeps them available when I want them. My other girls all ask for more cum. One exception I thought was my little redneck truck driver who showed up in the fucking chamber exhausted from her two jobs and famished from not eating during her long drive to spread her pussy for me. I ejaculated in her mouth, and when she didn't contact me again I thought she didn't like it. But recently she's been back in touch, still working hard at her jobs, still hoping for another orgasm from her original sd. I believe all my sbs but one are still available to me if and when I want them. Even the wham bam girl pesters me all the time for another fuck, though she can't be that into it. It's not that I'm a hot young dude, that's for sure. I'm not revolting I guess. I do know how the females of our species like to have their bodies treated and what makes them climax, but last, not least, I'm generous with the sugar.

Nando's had a lot of success and I'm grateful he's described his sbs and the aftermath. From what he says I am concluding that an sb won't stay with a sd just for sex, no matter how good it is. You have to pour an adequate amount of sugar on her to keep her coming back for more cum.

Anyway, that's my view.

[Literal2]

I have thoughts about three mentalities of girls re:SB motivation and would be interested in knowing your opinion as well :

1) Young girls 18-30. Tend to be less personal about sex. The "hook up " mentality we read about that did not exist when I went to college (Damn it!) They are less likely to get emotionally invested and just enjoy fucking on a lark and out of curiosity. More like men. With as many as they can, and therefore are less likely to stick with one partner. ;

This is often true in my experience with the under 25 girls, unless they already have children. Over 25, I find they are already getting a little desperate about settling down (what is it with women for chrissake?) and their emotional baggage is already starting to build up.

2) middle youth #1-39 . Tend to be survival oriented.usually have kids, and usually fall into my cat. 1 and / or 3. And will line up as many SDs as possible for the income;

I assume you mean 31-39. I find these are mainly your cat 1 (desperate for support). While several of mine have been actively looking and have horror stories about really fucked up bad dudes masquerading as sds and giving the rest of us a bad name, they have all wanted just one sd at a time. Whether they line up more than one at the same time I can't say. I just know what they tell me. The younger ones have the most opportunity of course and I'm assuming they have more than one sd than me, especially since I always tell them I'm not going to support them. They usually don't bring the subject of other sds up and I don't ask.

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3) MILFs 40 plus. Who frequently want a partner to play with. Usually one at a time-and not always into the money.

This is sort of a modification of my experience SBs to date.

I haven't run across anyone like this. The one 39 year old (thats what she said anyway) sb I've fucked was really slick and open in the pussy when her panties came off it is true and desperately wanted me to be the one guy for her, but she was very sugar focused and it took me a long time to get her to be reasonable about it. She was highly skilled though. Damn.

[Literal2]

I think Hernando has it down pat.

I met up with my current favorite sb recently for an extended session. With a lot of coaxing, sexiness, and talent she was able to coax pop #3 out of me as I collapsed into a sweaty heap on the bed. At this point, I've decided to make her the sole recipient of my sd talents and gifts as I'm not much of a multitasker like you guys are. Of course that could change with one text / email as we all know.

Holy Shit, three pops! I haven't been able to do this for several decades. Can anyone here past 60 shoot three loads into a girl in one session?

[Literal2]

Lets get some more actual sb pix online. I prefer to conceal details that could identify the girl or location (for privacy purposes), so unfortunately that often means beaver and butt shots. Fortunately, I like beaver and butt shots. BTW, it can be tricky getting a utr to allow you to take these. If some others participate and are interested we can discuss how to convince a sb to allow you to spread her legs and take a photo.

Here's a couple more that haven't been uploaded before. They were taken a while ago on a trip out of state.

[Hernando]

Dot com- I had one MILF success, but has generally been a bust. Most of the girls seem to be young. 18. 24 yr old.and very few will even answer my query.even with a good pic posted. Some of the pics are TGTBT and are probably shills $$ does not seem to be the predominant motivation although I'm sure they wouldn't turn down a gift. I think I am too old for this crowd.

My MILF was upper 30's.prob more like early 40's, beautiful face, chubby body.I'd say she is a 9 face. 5 body. 9 personality. 9 performance. If she lost her baby weight she'd be a 9 across the board. We spent two night together and she was a horndog.and I fucked her brains out. But.after our last night together.she bolted, saying that she was reevaluating her situation (marriage, kids, etc) However, she is still on there anonymously and says she likes young stuff.so who knows? If you are under 40 and run across her she might give you a run.

There is another crossover on Fling who is also on SD, and I can't get her to bite. We have talked back and forth but she is on both sites constantly and says she is a nympho and is a MILF type.looks pretty hot.

One girl answered me hotly when I offered her some help and said she is not about sex.really? On a site named Fling? WTF do they think a fling is?

[Literal2]

It's great to see new participants.

Brothers of usasg! Are you tired of chasing ho's, skanks and dried out, wrinkled up, over-used professional pussy? Then add a sugarbaby or two to your inventory of fuckables!

They're fresh, sweet and hot. We won't tell you exactly who they are, but we'll tell you how to find them and how to open their delicious little pussies once you do. Rtff for the successful and unsuccessful tech deployed by your fellow mongers in their sb quests. Share your experiences with us to broaden our collective skill.

In the last couple of days we've learned for the first time about using look-alike fake photos. Frankly, it had never occurred to me.

'Nando and Tigger are the latest examples of mongers using correct tech to find and fuck the sugarbabe type of utr. Cool is fucking so many babies he barely has time to post anymore. Golf has been doing babies with his suave and restrained style since before I knew there were utrs. Some others have been around sbs for a long time but never explored the full possibilities. Others may have given up the chase forever. When we started this thread, there were lots of comments about how hard it was to contact an sb, how they were all escorts masquerading as amateurs, how it took so much effort to fuck one after you'd found her, and so on. We've come a long way since then.

We can now say with confidence there are a whole lot of mongers out there opening up genuine sb pussies. Is this the beginning of the end of Sex Prison?

I encourage everybody interested in this subject to continue posting their successes and failures. The failures are just as important to discuss and analyze as the successes, because we can learn from them. Phony chest thumping is discouraged. Real chest thumping is encouraged and expected. Disclosure of the details of failure helps your fellow sb mongers and who gives a shit on an anonymous sex forum about concealing failures?

I posted a set of guidelines a while back as an A to Z of how to find and fuck sbs and I'm sure by now there are some good modifications available. I hope other successful sb mongers do the same thing.

As for me, I'm trying something new with an sb which may succeed or fail. First, I am keeping pent up spermatozoa within limits by accessing my SB 18 regularly. So if I fail at my next project, I'm still getting laid.

I am returning to an sb I fucked once in a wham bam style (her preference). I think the girl is bi, or maybe prefers lesbos. Maybe that's why she uses her cute little ass with me in such a mechanical way. So I'm asking her to bring along a friend next time and let me fuck both of them while they are also fucking each other. I'll let you know what happens.

BTW, I'm glad to hear Tigger has done well with AM. I wish he'd post some tech. For example, does sugar come into play at all? I worked AM for a few weeks but got nada.

Hernando raises some interesting points. I want to think about them and then reply.

Also, I wish somebody other than me would post an actual sb photo on this thread.

[BigTigger]

Fake pic is the way to go. Keep it reasonable and realistic. Then have the real pics in your AM keys. I've had lots of luck with AM. None were bothered with the fake pic. They seemed to appreciate my cautiousness and were happy with the real ones.

I use the same method for the SD site and again no problems. Having a fake pic, gives them a chance to like you based on what you say, then later how you look isn't much of a issue. As long as you are close in looks to the fake pic.

I had one drink with an AM girl.incredibly hot 33 yr old spinner (I am considerably older) and we got along beautifully, but she blew me off the next day. I was probably too old for her liking even though I am told I can pass for 40ish. Since then I haven't had any luck. But.I only invested $$ to communicate with them, and did not display a face pic. I think these girls want a fuck buddy and aren't into the money.so they need to be attracted to you in some way. I might try again with pics (see the next post)