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  1. #1968
    Quote Originally Posted by HometownGuy  [View Original Post]
    Ok, so you go to your favorite happy place and one of these cameras gets a pic of your face, license plate, even your car, truck bicycle etc. It can, I'd your car by a dent, sticker, scratch any unique feature, this is then tracked back through all the other camera captured images be it the Flock cameras, public, traffic or peoples Ring cameras when you drive by their house. It then knows instantly who you are and damn near everything about you by linking all social media, data brokers etc. Since this info is collected by a third party and not LE, in the courts eyes it is perfectly legal as evidence for a warrant for whatever else they want like info from your ISP that they can very well track even if you're using a VPN. A VPN is a good step, but it is far from untraceable. Did you buy your burner with a card of some sort? What about the minutes? Remember this isn't simple misdemeanor that they don't give a crap about anymore, they will put effort into felony charges. When the cop runs your I'd all of this is instantly available by facial recognition. This is. Gov's crystal ball and something to take very seriously. This is something that goes so far into invading your privacy I have written letters to my representatives encouraging them to support legislation against it by pointing out that it follows them as well.
    HometownGuy does a good job explaining how this potentially impacts you. In the end. You adopt the OPSEC that's relevant to you given your risk tolerance. None of us hobbyists should be lulled into the belief that our activities aren't under the watchful eye of somebody, or that the sequence of our activities can't be assembled in such a way to get us into trouble. I'm retired so I have no job to lose and my SO is technically illiterate, so my level of OPSEC works for me but may not work for you. Just be careful and remain aware that you are being watched.

  2. #1967

    How it can link to you

    Quote Originally Posted by CoopDawg  [View Original Post]
    So if I use a VPN when I browse, and use a burner phone and fake name for extracurricular activities, how is such a system going to link all that to the real me?
    Ok, so you go to your favorite happy place and one of these cameras gets a pic of your face, license plate, even your car, truck bicycle etc. It can, I'd your car by a dent, sticker, scratch any unique feature, this is then tracked back through all the other camera captured images be it the Flock cameras, public, traffic or peoples Ring cameras when you drive by their house. It then knows instantly who you are and damn near everything about you by linking all social media, data brokers etc. Since this info is collected by a third party and not LE, in the courts eyes it is perfectly legal as evidence for a warrant for whatever else they want like info from your ISP that they can very well track even if you're using a VPN. A VPN is a good step, but it is far from untraceable. Did you buy your burner with a card of some sort? What about the minutes? Remember this isn't simple misdemeanor that they don't give a crap about anymore, they will put effort into felony charges. When the cop runs your I'd all of this is instantly available by facial recognition. This is. Gov's crystal ball and something to take very seriously. This is something that goes so far into invading your privacy I have written letters to my representatives encouraging them to support legislation against it by pointing out that it follows them as well.

  3. #1966
    So if I use a VPN when I browse, and use a burner phone and fake name for extra curricular activities, how is such a system going to link all that to the real me?

  4. #1965
    Quote Originally Posted by HometownGuy  [View Original Post]
    So since this is the tin foil hat section I thought it would be a good idea to spread some information about a private surveillance system that is being sold to anyone that will pay including law enforcement and since the police are not doing it themselves it is perfectly legal for them to do this.
    It's much worse than you think. I posted the following in the OPSEC thread in the Northern Virginia Board:

    Flock NOVA. AI Software for Law Enforcement.

    I was browsing YouTube the other day and found this video discussing Flock automated license plate reader cameras. Flock sells an AI platform for law enforcement known as Flock NOVA (not specific to Northern Virginia). This program is sold with the tagline, "Search Once, See Everything. ".

    The video is here.

    https://youtu.be/o_gVnx_wOHA?si=xz0kuNfcna8bGBj4

    To cut to the chase, Flock NOVA aggregates tons of data based on your license plate and name and other personal data. The video author shows several screens of code in the Flock NOVA software which query various websites for information about YOU. The screen at 9:38 caught my eye. It lists the various adult entertainment websites Flock NOVA queries. Take a look, I bet some look familiar. One that is very familiar is http://usasexguide.nl.

    So, imagine, you're pulled over by a cop, he runs your tags, and Barney Fife discovers not only your name, but the adult websites you've visited.

    I'm not a security expert, just an honest man who dabbles in this hobby, but doesn't want to see anyone get hurt. My SO is unaware of my activities, and I exercise an appropriate level of OPSEC for my situation. But this really wigged me out. Thought you all should know.

    My friends, "1984" is here and worse than any of us thought. Stay safe.

  5. #1964

    Surveilance of you without probable cause or warrants. It's already happening.

    So since this is the tin foil hat section I thought it would be a good idea to spread some information about a private surveillance system that is being sold to anyone that will pay including law enforcement and since the police are not doing it themselves it is perfectly legal for them to do this.

    The system you should read up on is Flock. It is a network of these companies cameras and other companies cameras that they pay for access to like Ring. This system scans your license plates, stickers, dents, dings and damage on your car as well as facial recognition to tell LE everywhere you go without a warrant. It is terrifying what it can do. This is system is not secure and can easily be hacked and used by other people for blackmail or other purposes. There are no laws against them using this to track you or prosecute you.

    The scary part is that if one of these cameras is near your favorite place to have good dreams they have got you!

    I will post some links below to how this system works and what you should look out for to stay safe. I encourage everyone to read it as it could keep you out of prison.

    The first link contains a searchable map of known locations of these cameras. It also gives a partial break down of the system and how it works. Remember I mentioned they pay for access to other companies cameras as well so just because a Flock company camera is not there doesn't mean you are not being watched!

    There are other links showing what you can do to counter this.

    This is the main one you will see and they are almost always attached to a solar panel.

    I consider this a massive invasion of privacy and think everyone should be aware of this.

    https://stopflock.com/#take-action.

    https://deflock.org/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAJYcsFGzfg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB0gr7Fh6lY

    https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-te.../flock-roundup

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flock_Safety

    https://www.tindie.com/products/colonel_panic/oui-spy/
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  6. #1963

    Its true

    Quote Originally Posted by Ncman2020  [View Original Post]
    Nah, they're 100% the same person. Seen both through both ads, 100% same person.
    And makes 0 sense but, yes its the same chick. BKS let their girls run ads simultaneously to theirs and they would use different names. Marcelle, Jemmy, whatever her name is its been the same lady. I've been seeing BKS for many years and its been that way so not surprised at all for her to run different ads.

  7. #1962
    Quote Originally Posted by Tawayem  [View Original Post]
    You're free to think that, but they're different people. Even when they were with BKS, they were advertised as different people by the agency. Why would the agency go through that trouble if it was just one person?

    Even now, they have different TER profiles, different tryst profiles, different email addresses, phone numbers, and one has a P411, while the other does not.

    If you look at their tryst activity too, both are active frequently. One was active today, the other yesterday.

    It makes 0 sense for one person to maintain two completely separate profiles, with separate physical descriptions BTW. Marcelle lists herself as 5' with green eyes, while Michelle Lavigne lists herself as 5'1" with brown eyes.

    If you can explain logically all of these discrepancies, sure, I'll concede it's one person. But it's not. The fact that the agency they both were with together listed them as separate providers is the biggest evidence that they're separate.

    I'm not interested in this becoming an argument, so believe what you want.
    Nah, they're 100% the same person. Seen both through both ads, 100% same person.

  8. #1961
    Quote Originally Posted by Tawayem  [View Original Post]
    You're free to think that, but they're different people. Even when they were with BKS, they were advertised as different people by the agency. Why would the agency go through that trouble if it was just one person?

    Even now, they have different TER profiles, different tryst profiles, different email addresses, phone numbers, and one has a P411, while the other does not.

    If you look at their tryst activity too, both are active frequently. One was active today, the other yesterday.

    It makes 0 sense for one person to maintain two completely separate profiles, with separate physical descriptions BTW. Marcelle lists herself as 5' with green eyes, while Michelle Lavigne lists herself as 5'1" with brown eyes.

    If you can explain logically all of these discrepancies, sure, I'll concede it's one person. But it's not. The fact that the agency they both were with together listed them as separate providers is the biggest evidence that they're separate.

    I'm not interested in this becoming an argument, so believe what you want.
    The Asian agencies do the same thing. You'll frequently see a 'new girl' advertised and it turns out to be one of the ones that's come into town before. They do this for several reasons, first they understand that girls with too many reviews (even if they're all good ones) tend to be regarded as high volume (and thus have less value), additionally, they'll sometimes quote different price levels (to see if they can get more). They'll test out the effectiveness of certain photos or phrases on one ad or the other (A / B Split Testing), and they'll also have a backup identity should one of their stage names catches a bad review (which can be devastating for a high end provider's business). If their reputation falls apart under one name, they can go all in on the other. I believe the smarter girls are doing this, vs what the other ones do, throwing away an old name and contact info when they catch bad reviews and then completely start over with a new name. We certainly know some providers mentioned here that have had 6-7 different profile names over the course of years. Having a developed backup lets them avoid skipping a beat in their earnings.

  9. #1960

    Same

    Deff same. Saw within two weeks. She advertises like that as her adds speak to two different clientele. She doesn't limit herself by one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tawayem  [View Original Post]
    You're free to think that, but they're different people. Even when they were with BKS, they were advertised as different people by the agency. Why would the agency go through that trouble if it was just one person?

    Even now, they have different TER profiles, different tryst profiles, different email addresses, phone numbers, and one has a P411, while the other does not.

    If you look at their tryst activity too, both are active frequently. One was active today, the other yesterday.

    It makes 0 sense for one person to maintain two completely separate profiles, with separate physical descriptions BTW. Marcelle lists herself as 5' with green eyes, while Michelle Lavigne lists herself as 5'1" with brown eyes..

  10. #1959

    My experience

    I have seen "both" of them and they are the same girl. No idea why she does it that way, but it must be working for her. You can actually see a fairly unique bracelet in both profiles that is hers. I've attached the pictures from the different ads and you can see for yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tawayem  [View Original Post]
    You're free to think that, but they're different people. Even when they were with BKS, they were advertised as different people by the agency. Why would the agency go through that trouble if it was just one person?

    Even now, they have different TER profiles, different tryst profiles, different email addresses, phone numbers, and one has a P411, while the other does not.

    If you look at their tryst activity too, both are active frequently. One was active today, the other yesterday.

    It makes 0 sense for one person to maintain two completely separate profiles, with separate physical descriptions BTW. Marcelle lists herself as 5' with green eyes, while Michelle Lavigne lists herself as 5'1" with brown eyes.

    If you can explain logically all of these discrepancies, sure, I'll concede it's one person. But it's not. The fact that the agency they both were with together listed them as separate providers is the biggest evidence that they're separate.

    I'm not interested in this becoming an argument, so believe what you want.
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  11. #1958
    Quote Originally Posted by MrBJohnson  [View Original Post]
    No that is incorrect. Both ads are the same person. And she is fantastic. Best pair of ()() I've ever laid my hands on.
    You're free to think that, but they're different people. Even when they were with BKS, they were advertised as different people by the agency. Why would the agency go through that trouble if it was just one person?

    Even now, they have different TER profiles, different tryst profiles, different email addresses, phone numbers, and one has a P411, while the other does not.

    If you look at their tryst activity too, both are active frequently. One was active today, the other yesterday.

    It makes 0 sense for one person to maintain two completely separate profiles, with separate physical descriptions BTW. Marcelle lists herself as 5' with green eyes, while Michelle Lavigne lists herself as 5'1" with brown eyes.

    If you can explain logically all of these discrepancies, sure, I'll concede it's one person. But it's not. The fact that the agency they both were with together listed them as separate providers is the biggest evidence that they're separate.

    I'm not interested in this becoming an argument, so believe what you want.

  12. #1957

    More info, please?

    Quote Originally Posted by NiteLifed69  [View Original Post]
    .

    2. Nerdie Birdy. Always a great time, she's seems semi-pro now, great conversation, awesome massages, incredible FS she has so much energy but she is pricey with a full menu.
    What were her rates? Anything bare? GFE / PSE?

  13. #1956

    Thank you

    Quote Originally Posted by NiteLifed69  [View Original Post]
    I like this thread so I will post my reflections here.

    During the government shutdown, I was trying to avoid spending any money. I had paused sugaring and cuddle comfort sessions but still some of the sugar babies and CC professionals reached out. I told them about my situation and I was taking a pause for right now and a couple of them ended up blocking me from texting and block me on SA and CC but not all where like t hat.

    I had one SB said we could skip the room and just have a date in her SUV. I was surprised when one pro from CC, She is strictly platonic cuddler at least for me, provided me with a free 90 minute cuddle session! She said I have been a good client, and she was confident that once the shutdown ended, we'd be able to pick up our sessions again.

    A lot of this reminds of Season 1 of The GirlFriend Experience About not backing down on rates, I have not seen the other seasons but I liked Riley Keough, who's Elvis Presley Granddaughter, in season 1. She plays an upscale escort.

    Recap from Vulture.com and they even referenced Tits and SASS article on never Running Specials.

    There is a scene where she is with a regular client who When Christine presses him, he reveals he's not quite as wealthy as he's led her to believe. Regular sessions have been stressing his finances (even apparently causing him to take out loans), but the thought of ending the relationship is too much for him to bear. Christine suggests they see each other less, Kevin asks her to lower her rate, and she offers to figure out an arrangement that'll offer some sort of happy medium. Later in the episode, the two regroup: After giving it some thought, Christine's decided she has to cut Kevin loose. "I just can't make exceptions," she says as he pleads with her to reconsider.

    https://titsandsass.com/if-i-cant-se...ning-specials/

    To go with this, I have posted about Kaydee before. Like one of the comments " She was good before she wasn't".

    I started going over her to see her when she had that apartment in Wilson, she had that big puppy dog crate in the apartment and then even when she was out in Statonsburg. She asked me to send her 25 dollars and she did, she invited me over and didn't take any payment that was a great time, she was an acrobat that day but of course she started blowing my phone up afterwards. Statonsburg was when I stopped seeing her, the broken window and the rundown place out in the boondocks. You could tell this was not going to end well for anyone involved. Her and her buddy was not worth the 100 dollar dream.

    Unto Cuddle Comfort down through the years on CC, I have seen 30 cuddlers, I have posted some of them in the Raleigh CC thread, Only 3 have been platonic for me. YMMV.

    One of the three that was platonic for me was GypsyCuddler, She had another name LuvsHugs or something but she was strictly platonic with me but then I see from other threads.

    She had a menu. She's banned on CC. I saw a post where she is on Cuddle Companions.

    Going back to that Vulture article in reference to CC, the three pros. I am talking pros I really enjoyed and also all 3 at one time or another where / still on Seeking.

    1. Pinkbabybunny. Her menu was too expensive but almost everything was on the able. I just couldn't pay that every time. She's has deleted her CC account.

    2. Nerdie Birdy. Always a great time, she's seems semi-pro now, great conversation, awesome massages, incredible FS she has so much energy but she is pricey with a full menu.

    3. Sweet and Strong. She is really the one I would compare to the character in GFE. I knew when she located to the District she would do great. Silicon Hills, Silicon Valley, Seaport District these are locations she would do great because she's a comic book geek and Techie, You can hangout in a comic book store with her and she wouldn't be bored, She looks so sexy reading the books. I may have to request for her to dress as a librarian next time I am in The District. Exceptional conversation, she doesn't match Nerdie's energy in the bedroom, I think few can, if Nerdie is into you she puts her back into and you're going to have a great time:0 but where Strong stands out is she is more intimate and sensual but like all of that I have mentioned the menu is / was nice but expensive.

    I am not even going to say.

    I should change my screenname to Kevin Yung based off the character from the Girlfriend Experience. I am not a Whale or MrSponsor when it comes to sugaring or having a session with someone from CC.

    I couldn't see paying that much even if I had Elon Musk money.

    Again YMMV!

    That's my two cents. Nanu Nanu, and may your arrangements be plentiful!
    This is a great review of your experiences. Since some of these ladies aren't on CC or other anymore, do you think any would mind you sharing contact information?

  14. #1955

    Seeking and Cuddle Comfort Reflections

    I like this thread so I will post my reflections here.

    During the government shutdown, I was trying to avoid spending any money. I had paused sugaring and cuddle comfort sessions but still some of the sugar babies and CC professionals reached out. I told them about my situation and I was taking a pause for right now and a couple of them ended up blocking me from texting and block me on SA and CC but not all where like t hat.

    I had one SB said we could skip the room and just have a date in her SUV. I was surprised when one pro from CC, She is strictly platonic cuddler at least for me, provided me with a free 90 minute cuddle session! She said I have been a good client, and she was confident that once the shutdown ended, we'd be able to pick up our sessions again.

    A lot of this reminds of Season 1 of The GirlFriend Experience About not backing down on rates, I have not seen the other seasons but I liked Riley Keough, who's Elvis Presley Granddaughter, in season 1. She plays an upscale escort.

    Recap from Vulture.com and they even referenced Tits and SASS article on never Running Specials.

    There is a scene where she is with a regular client who When Christine presses him, he reveals he's not quite as wealthy as he's led her to believe. Regular sessions have been stressing his finances (even apparently causing him to take out loans), but the thought of ending the relationship is too much for him to bear. Christine suggests they see each other less, Kevin asks her to lower her rate, and she offers to figure out an arrangement that'll offer some sort of happy medium. Later in the episode, the two regroup: After giving it some thought, Christine's decided she has to cut Kevin loose. "I just can't make exceptions," she says as he pleads with her to reconsider.

    https://titsandsass.com/if-i-cant-se...ning-specials/

    To go with this, I have posted about Kaydee before. Like one of the comments " She was good before she wasn't".

    I started going over her to see her when she had that apartment in Wilson, she had that big puppy dog crate in the apartment and then even when she was out in Statonsburg. She asked me to send her 25 dollars and she did, she invited me over and didn't take any payment that was a great time, she was an acrobat that day but of course she started blowing my phone up afterwards. Statonsburg was when I stopped seeing her, the broken window and the rundown place out in the boondocks. You could tell this was not going to end well for anyone involved. Her and her buddy was not worth the 100 dollar dream.

    Unto Cuddle Comfort down through the years on CC, I have seen 30 cuddlers, I have posted some of them in the Raleigh CC thread, Only 3 have been platonic for me. YMMV.

    One of the three that was platonic for me was GypsyCuddler, She had another name LuvsHugs or something but she was strictly platonic with me but then I see from other threads.

    She had a menu. She's banned on CC. I saw a post where she is on Cuddle Companions.

    Going back to that Vulture article in reference to CC, the three pros. I am talking pros I really enjoyed and also all 3 at one time or another where / still on Seeking.

    1. Pinkbabybunny. Her menu was too expensive but almost everything was on the able. I just couldn't pay that every time. She's has deleted her CC account.

    2. Nerdie Birdy. Always a great time, she's seems semi-pro now, great conversation, awesome massages, incredible FS she has so much energy but she is pricey with a full menu.

    3. Sweet and Strong. She is really the one I would compare to the character in GFE. I knew when she located to the District she would do great. Silicon Hills, Silicon Valley, Seaport District these are locations she would do great because she's a comic book geek and Techie, You can hangout in a comic book store with her and she wouldn't be bored, She looks so sexy reading the books. I may have to request for her to dress as a librarian next time I am in The District. Exceptional conversation, she doesn't match Nerdie's energy in the bedroom, I think few can, if Nerdie is into you she puts her back into and you're going to have a great time:0 but where Strong stands out is she is more intimate and sensual but like all of that I have mentioned the menu is / was nice but expensive.

    I am not even going to say.

    I should change my screenname to Kevin Yung based off the character from the Girlfriend Experience. I am not a Whale or MrSponsor when it comes to sugaring or having a session with someone from CC.

    I couldn't see paying that much even if I had Elon Musk money.

    Again YMMV!

    That's my two cents. Nanu Nanu, and may your arrangements be plentiful!

  15. #1954

    Right On

    Yes brother, I'm aware. I'm not tall I'm regular guy, not even that big LOL, but thing is I've done it before when market was less saturated I jumped on ball fast but gambled that away and lost a few good girls. But that's in the past now and I'm basically just looking for random advice or research. You are right for the most part but you also have to remember, porn is art, sex is art form, yes it's easier if you know what market and demographic you are getting into bc that's preset, but that doesn't mean every line has been set. Markets and futures change. Too build something is easy if you have good people to work with, I'm looking for that mainly brother, but I appreciate that reality of and gravity of your response. Very valid. (sorry again for missing this one earlier).

    Quote Originally Posted by Tawayem  [View Original Post]
    Posting here on the off chance that this is a troll question.

    Being successful on OF is hard. Being successful enough on OF to be able to quit your day job is even harder. And being successful on OF while being a man is much, much harder. Women don't consume much porn, and if they do, they want their porn models to look like greek Gods. So you got to be tall, you got to be fit, you got to have a face card that would make Henry Cavill jealous, and you got to have a decently long and thick dick. And a lot of women prefer erotic literature instead, so you're already starting with a disadvantage there.

    Not to mention it's a lot of work to promote your OF everywhere, to entice enough subscribers at first, and then to maintain those subscribers because again, in this economy, not a lot of women have spare money lying around, unless you'd be okay with marketing to gay men? Even so, that market is small too.

    I'm subscribed to a few free OF women, and I get pretty much a constant barrage of PPV videos. You have to think about what videos you want to create, create those videos, and then promote those videos to your subscribers. And not all your subscribers will buy all your videos.

    I don't say all this to discourage you, but to be realistic. The market for men's OF is small. And you got to do some research to see which, if any, men's OFs are successful, what they do to be successful, whether you can or want to do the same thing, or if there is a different niche you want to establish yourself.

    TL; DR, it's a LOT of work.

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