2000-2004 Archived Reports

[LexLuther]

Trashman,

Amen to that trashman. When all is said and done, no matter how she got that way, no matter how sad her story, no matter whether she works the stroll, whether she is an escort, or works in an AMP, she's a *****, first last and always. And more than likely she'll always be a ***** no matter how much sympathy you have for her and how nice you are to her. She's a ***** and basically that means that her main goal in life is to separate you from as much of your hard earned cash as possible.

If you forget that for a minute, you will become a victim. I too have learned that the hard way. But I do think it's interesting to think a bit about how these women got themselve into the positions which they occupy, which is basically the lowest rung on the ladder, the lowest link in the foodchain.

LexLuther

[Dr.Monger]

And here I was, going to write a nice piece about how no one had flamed me...then I saw Trash's post...let me address everyone by saying the following:

Trash, I agree, she is not my friend, she is not a girlfriend or a lover. I am in complete and total agreement. She is doing a job, and if you call her a ***** you are right. Nevertheless, she is a human being, and in that moment, I felt a tremendous surge of compassion. Am I a sucker and a sap? You bet. I also well up at sappy tv commercials...so what? Do I get taken advantage of because of this? Absolutely. Do I mind? Usually not. Any why not? Because it makes ME feel better. I mean that is what the hobby is about right, making ME feel good? I had mentioned earlier that this girl was also handicapped. I hesitated to say more, because I just felt it inappropriate, but given the discussion below, I think it safe to mention it and explain how it affected me. You see, I believe the girl I picked up was deaf, at least completely on one side, and at least partially on the other. She spoke with the speech pattern of one who is deaf, as I have heard it many times before. Yes I know she had a cell phone. I believe she has some hearing, but it was clear she was not hearing everything I said, based on some comments she made the were not responses to what I asked. As I posted below, before I saw the collapsed vein, this girl could have been the girl next door, or the prom queen who beat out the head cheerleader because she was the nice but just cute girl in class. She was that cute and innocent looking. Her personality was great, she was friendly, smiling, not spaced out or drugged up at the time. It was clear at that momen that the she had been dealt a bad hand, and I felt COMPASSION for her. Do I care about her? No. Did I imagine myself sweeping her off her feet, helping her out of addiction and getting a hottie girlfriend? No. Did I want to help her if I could? Yes. The difference between her and a lot of the higher class escorts (who I have seen upon occassion) is that for the escorts, it is usually a conscious career decision to go into escorting based on economics, because they can make more on their back then you and I do at white collar jobs (if you don't believe me, do the math, and allow 7 days a month off for period and/or rest). This girl clearly was doing what she was doing due to an addition, not an addiction to money like an escort, but due to a bad choice somewhere along the line to do drugs. Who knows why she started, I don't and it doesn't matter. How many of you smoke and can't quit? Does it matter how you started?

I would like to thank all of you who did not flame me and responded with stories or support. Trashman knows I greatly respect him, his position and his tremendous mongering abilities, and I take his comments with due regard, and advise all to heed them carefully. My post was not a love story, just an attempt to convery a point. I guess the moral is don't ask, don't tell. Morbid curiosity made me look. If I see her again, (which I am not sure about right now), I will just see what happens.

Dr. Monger

[TrashMan]

Well know with all this sensitive shit I have been reading I feel like having a nice demitasse latte. All kidding aside, Clix and Dawgboy have impressed me with their rather excellent command of the written word as well as their well thought out responses that make perfect sense and are far more mature than my usual shot-from-the-hip crass comment, but guys let me say this more for the benefit of the younger less experienced less hardened ( no pun intended ) mongers...THESE GIRLS ARE NOT YOUR FUCKIN' FRIENDS! Nor will they ever be nor do they wanna be! They are out there for one reason and one reason only to remove the most money they can from your pocket. Don't EVER believe otherwise for when you do that's when you're gonna get hurt my friends. Either with a razor knife to your neck or balls or a nice stab in the back of your heart. Yes, they are people and as such should not be abused, but the minute you cross the line from getting a nut to caring, you are fucked and eventually you WILL pay the price. Don't do it! Don't do it! Don't do it! They are not your girlfriend, your buddy, your confidente, or anything other than your *****, PERIOD! Boys, trust me on all this. I have been down the road and made all the mistakes, including this one. I had a little ***** I was seeing weekly in New York. 19 year old Israeli girl. Super petite hard body, beautiful face, often stayed the night with me, started having breakfast with her in the hotel the next morning etc etc. I woke up one day and came to my senses as I was looking through my old lady's jewlery for a "present" to take to this girl the next day when I left for New York and realized "What the fuck was I doing?" What I was doing was falling for this girl in the deluded belief that she "liked" me. Right! A 19 year old and a 50 year old, oh yeah, you bet! Luckily I reaced back, took a big shoehorn and pulled my head outa my ass! Now I realize we're not talking exactly the same thing here, but one thing leads to another when you forget rule #1, they're ******!

[Ebdawgg]

The recent conversations have been interesting. I would though like to add something if I may. This certainly isn't directed to anyone in particular; just what came to me when reading these recent posts.

SWs have nasty jobs but so do plenty of others; construction workers, farm workers, hell even your BMW mechanic's job is something most people wouldn't want to do. Many of these people were forced into or born into a situation that requires them to do crappy stuff just to get by.

The big difference here is that we see and know the SWs; the migrant farm worker or underpaid drywall crew or garbageman toils for us out of sight so that we may eat well, walk into a building that was built on time and under budget or have homes where we don't have to think much of trash removal. For the monger, the big reason he gets to have fun with some cute 20 year old that wouldn't give him the time of day otherwise is a combination of drug addiction and economics. I have a friend who fantasizes about the college girl call girl/stripper/SW who is very clean, comes from a nice middle class family and is only doing this because whe's wise to what men really want and is doing this for the money or for fun. I'm sure she's there somewhere but she's just not the reality for many sexworkers. If most women aren't doing for men the things that they can get from SWs, then surely there must be some compelling force that makes this job/life the choice (as it were).

Everyone here has treated this conversation with respect so all I really want to add is that in some ways your relationship with the SW isn't really so different, for better or worse, than the relationships you have with plenty of others. We eat well in the U.S. because, frankly, someone else has a crappy job and lives in a way we wouldn't want for ourselves and especially our children. Helping a SW with anything from a meal to a good recomendation for substance abuse treatment is really a kind thing; it's only a shame that we have to see things up close to really feel like we can help. Sadly, it doesn't really balance things out and mongers must, if they ever think about it, move on from it one way or another (ie: don't do it or don't think about it...).

In the end though it still adds up to the same thing: mongers only get to monger because someone else is in worse shape. That seems a good reason to treat the SWs nicely and with some respect and, if possible, drop off a 6-pack to the guy who keeps the chevy hummin'.

OK; so do we fell better? Then happy hunting, cause these poor girls wanna go get high...

[Bingo]

Ah, the "white knight syndrome", aka the "rescue fantasy"

Like many others I too have fallen prey. I suppose it's worse among longer-term prostitution arrangements, like repeated visits to an escort or especially with some Blockettes.

After two personal experiences agreed with clix's message that a girl seeking to get clean needs to want to with every fiber of her being, or it won't stick. Enabling someone's recovery (driving to meetings, paying for methadone, paying for drugs so a girl doesn't have to work on the Block) doesn't help the girl in the end - although it may soothe the conscience of the man.

Paland - I think it is standard for programs/counselors to try and cut ties with all pre-clean activities / people, frustrating as it might be. Even though we were just trying to help, truth is we still paid them for sex at the beginning and would only be a constant reminder of the life they used to lead. They know how to find us if/when they're ready.

Dr. monger - depending on the program you're interested in, several suggestions. I'll stick with heroin/cocaine abuse, not EtOH. (a) inpatient, intensive detox / rehab: Hope House in Balt, Pathways in Annapolis. Costs over $350/day! (b) methadone maintenance: many programs around Balt, use google.com to search, some are public-funded (free) but therefore have 2-month waiting lists, many others are self-pay ($80/wk) (c) short-term outpatient detox, again many in Balt (google.com) esp "Dr. Hayes's" clinic at U Md.

Agreed with clix though that (a) and (c) above are usually failures without some sort of post-treatment support network. (b) by its nature can keep girls heroin-free (not cocaine free), but coming off of (b) requires the same network.

Too bad "Pretty Woman" just isn't possible in real life. Come to think of it I can't even remember if the movie ever said why Julia Roberts put herself out there. I guess showing her with a crack pipe or a tourniquet on her arm would decrease the audience's adoration, huh.

On a scouting note, Sunday night (10p-12mn) made 2 loops but didn't pick anyone up in the end (again, only counting WSW, not BSW). Getting pickier with time, I guess.

Wash/Wilkens: 4, all on the 12mn loop around

PP: 2, 1 was way overweight and had this ruddy face, whoa
Brooklyn: saw 2 on Fairhaven, 1 of whom was rather cute (young thin blonde) but missed her on the turnaround.

Falls: 2

[Paland]

clix.....what you said is worth much more than $.02

can't help somebody until they are ready for help

the 12 step program really does work (for most people)

that's my $.02

Doesn't it make you think "who the hell are we mongers" when here we are trying to help a sw that is dependent on drugs that gets us what we want......sex.........because she is addicted and needs money that we have and if we help her maybe she won't be addicted then she won't need our money and we won't get what we want.

But I sleep better knowing I have helped some people.

[Clix]

On the issue of helping the SW ladies.
I wanted to post early, but resisted.


We all have sad stories. Few are born Rockefellers - and even the Rockefeller's have sad stories to tell.
Hell, if I told you mine, I could have you in tears. I was not sexually abused as a child but I have addictions. A female addict need not be sexually abused to be an addict. Do not kid yourself.

The issue is really, what is one doing today to improve themselves.
I know many a former SW who have recovered from the seemingly hopeless state of addiction and alcoholism. Most recovered SW ladies, believe it or not, will tell you flat out that they were not abused in their youth like the media and anti porn anti prositution groups will lead you to believe. However, while using, if they can connect on a level with a John to evoke an extra buck to feed thier addiction, then they will use it. Certainly, there are cases of same, but it is not universal by any stretch. The addiction requires money, how to get the money when you can't hold a job anymore? you know the progression.....
All alcoholics and Addicts are liars cheats and theives - period.

I am not unfeeling toward their dilema and share everyone's sentiment for the position the ladies have gotten themselves into. The addiction is the evil. Treatment programs? Do they work? Well, they are a business. Do not fool yourself into believing they are anything else other than spin dryers where many are out to make a buck from our foolish, but perhaps well intentioned, government largesse and system.

Do they help some get clean and sober, yes but as a rule over 70% of them willl be back using again within a year. They dry the user out. The rate of recivitism is worse for alcholics believe it or not. Why? From my experience, and others, the most sucessful method, bar none (well there is an exclusion in the time of lincoln called the Washintonian group, not for discussion here), in the history of mankind, to MAINTAIN sobriety is to embrace the grand daddy of 12 step programs which happens to be financially free.
Good spin dries and therapist will admit it is the best method to gaining and MAINTAINING a living which is free of alcohol and drugs. Spin dry programs with a modicum of integrity will be the first to admit they get the user dry.....it is AA and NA which must be part of thier life for the long term if they have a reasonable chance of staying clean.

So, what do I do to help the ladies? If I detect the real sense that the lady wants to get clean, I will drive them to various Clubs in the city which are sober houses and/or give them directories/schedules and locations of Meetings. Meetings are held there. Will they stay and try, most not. Why? Because they are unwilling to actions which they do not believe in and would prefer to stay in the situation they are in because it is familiar to them. They stay in control of their own demise rather than try to embrace something they do not understand. Why is it that nearly 95% of all recovering addicts and alcholics all have AA or NA in thier lives....cause it works, if one embraces it.

I have been flamed before for stating this position cause so many normal people think NA and AA are BS. The comedy routines on TV etc feed into this percepetion to most people. Normal people don't get it, cause they don't have to.

I am not flaming anyone here and hope I do not get flamed either. I believe in the spirit of concern and active concern for another person's welfare= love. Keep doing what you are doing and one may learn to help themselves, if they go to meetings.

Go to some meetings yourself. As a normal person, you may say this is nuts cause you don't have the addictioin. But I suggest if you really want to help a lady, go to a meeting, talk to some people, tell them why you are there (nothing surprises them....hell they have been there), grab some dircectories - sometimes 0.50 somtimes free, and put them in your glovebox. When you find someone who you think wants to help themselves, give them the directory. Maybe they will use it, maybe they wont. Ya can't force them. We can provide the location where the tools are. Only the user can get themselves clean and sober. The door in the mind of the user which lets them "give up on their screwed up thinking" can only be opened by the user themselves not by government agencies, spin dryers, or johns trying to be a good samaratin.

I hope all do try to help, but be aware that the chances are slim that one's efforts to help another will be successful.

Just my two cents.

[Paland]

dr. monger.....

no it wasn't but i will get some info for you......

[Slag Runner]

I tried something a little out of the ordinary in late February that I have not seen mentioned in any earlier posts on Balto.

On a very cold weeknight I picked up a cute 30 year old by the name of Kelli at Lakewood and East Baltimore on the North side of the park. I did not have a room and as we talked I had the urge to move beyond the car date BJ. In a stroke of genius I drove down to Broadway and we went into the Apex Theater.

The place is dark as hell and the two elderly clerks working in the lobby charged me and let her in for free. Not a raised eyebrow or question as to our intentions.

We went into the theater, sat on the left side up against the wall and played around for about 30 minutes until Kelli got down to business. Great bbbj followed by her on my lap with a covered reverse cowgirl. There were three other dudes in the theater at the time. One came over by us and asked if he could join us. I said no, not now, and he moved away about 4 seats and watched. Never saw the clerks until we walked out and they were still behind the cage in the lobby.

After we were done I took her to her home and got her number. Have seen her once since in a downtown hotel and had a great full session. She has twin boys who stay with her x-husband two nights a week so she uses her evenings away from the kids to pick up some extra money. Claims not to do drugs. If she does, she is not the leather handed crack head or wired speed freak type. Pleasant, conversant, witty, intelligent.

SR

[Dr.Monger]

Paland,

If it was in the Baltimore area, can you pass along the info on the program to me back channel? Thanks. My e-mail is posted in several of my reports.

Dr. Monger

[Paland]

Dr. Monger.......

I met a similar girl a little over a year ago. I found myself wanting to help (usually a lost effort). Got her in a program and could talk to her for the first several weeks but then the program cut any and all communications from her. As I understand it that's kind of normal. Ever so often I pray for her knowing it's all up to her.

For reasons I don't want to get into I would do it again and probably will.

[LexLuther]

Dr. Monger,

That is indeed a sad story. Somewhat beautiful in a way as well for the compassion which you felt for her. I'm not trying to be a wise ass or anything, but I think if you got to know any of these girls you would find that they all have similar stories. At one point in their lives, many of them could have taken a route which would have led to "normal lives". The saddest thing is that for most of them, that point is when they were very young, because it turns out that a very large percentage of prostitutes were sexually abused as young girls.

So you might imagine that in her case, the abuse may have led to depression. She began to self-medicate which eventually led to the use of addictive injected drugs, and now she's on the stroll. But I think that in one way or another, the story probably applies to escorts as well and even to girls who work in AMP's.

I'm not trying to preach either. Personally, I don't do SW's, but I am a big fan of AMP's. But the girls who work in those joints have some very sad stories to tell as well. It's sad but true and food for thought.

On a lighter note, I'll be in the Balto-Wash area this week and checking out the AMP scene. Anybody tried a girls in VA called Cindy the Massage girl? She's Korean and works out of her home.

LexLuther

[Dr.Monger]

Several Scouting reports and a Cautionary Tale (LONG)

Have not had much time to post, but some time to scout, so here is a compilation of recent events, from oldest to most recent:

Things have been pretty dead in Hampden. Same old suspects, most of whom are mediocre. There is one Sw who I see out who must be late forties or 50s (hard to tell with SW, they live a hard life). Not my cup of tea. Did see an old school chum a few nights ago, and she delivered the usual excellent lesson, but I am getting quite bored with her, but as they say, any port in a storm. Other than her, Hampden seems to really be hit or miss at night. I have done a few daytime pass throughs, and seen only one girl obviously working as she gave me the look and a gesture, but I was on my way elsewhere, and she was not up to my standards anyway. I do not usually get to go early morning or mid-day, so perhaps that is the issue.

Did manage to do a daytime PP/Conkling pass through, and saw perhaps two of the best looking suspects I have ever seen. It was warm and one was clearly working, had on shorts and was in the usualy spot on Baltimore. The other was not clearly working, but I thought I saw her hop out of an SUV. When I came back through a little later both were gone, not that I could have stopped.

Did some Brooklyn/Washington/Wilkens loops recently, and observed a few things: Heavy LE presence on Patapsco. Not sure if it was SW related. Also be careful where you park down there. A friend of mine was innocently in the area, but apparently crossed into AA County which is right close by. He is not a hobbyist, but just mentioned in passing that a cop hassled him while he was pulled over trying to make a cell phone call, and suggested he leave the area and go home. He was by himself, and had apparently crossed the line into AA county. I think the AA cops must have less to do than the Baltimore police. Anyway, over two trips, saw a few definite SW, but pretty much skanks. One trip saw a very good looking blonde being hassled by a female cop, with cruiser pulled over and lights flashing. Girl was dressed from what I could tell like a SW, with a sexy outfit on. Also saw a SW further down on Patapsco, almost to Washington, but maybe a half mile before it on Patapsco. Had the white trash/skank look, but clearly working a corner where she was leaning up against a building fairly late a night, and gave me the eye. Proceeded down Washington, and saw an unattractive brunette in the industrial area. Went down to Monroe and did the loop twice but saw no obvious walkers. Went up to Hambden and nothing there either.

Had some free time one afternoon and on a lark decided to do a PP/Conkling run. Saw a VERY cute blonde in jeans with a tank top on sitting on a stoop talking on a cell phone, could not imagine she was working. Also a heavy brunette who was clearly working was out. Went down to Conklin and lotsa LE out, so headed back around to PP. The blonde was still there but was walking and talking on her cell. Still not sure I decided to circle as there were no LE in sight. Now she was talking to a very old guy on a stoop. Caught her eye but she did not motion or anything. Circled again, and stopped at the corner. She looked at me and started to leave the guy, but I felt uncomfortable and drove off. I decided to check the other strip and saw two suspects futher down, but neither up to my standards, and not as hot as the blonde. My curiosity got the better of me and I circled back, but this time on the opposite side. Well as soon as she saw me she waived for me to pull to the side street. I did, and she walked down and got in. WOW! By far the hottest, cutest, youngest SW I have picked up in my brief career. She said she was 21, I doubt it. More like 19. Wanted me to do the "I am not a cop thing". It was broad daylight, and I told her no, that once we got out of the neighborhood I would prove it to her. She said this was only her second time out (yeah right, where have I heard that before?) We went to the pentultimate secure location, as I was not going to do the car thing in broad daylight, nor was I going to pay $40 for a short time motel for a $20 BJ. I told her since I had a location a short drive away, I would give her lunch money in addition to the tuition payment. Asked me if I had a girlfriend or a wife. She said her boyfriend was in jail. Anyway, what a body on this chick. She was like all the hot young girls you see in clubs who won't talk to you. Thin, nice A cups. A natural blonde. Did not want to take her pants off, but did let me unzip the jeans to see the bush, which did not appear to be shaved, but confirmed the natural blonde. Nice attitude. Was genuinely flattered when I told her how beautiful she was. Skill was ok, but did not want to catch it in her mouth, and used hand, which was ok cause she had good technique and she was so hot I was not going to last long. Asked me to let her know when shangri-la apprached and I did. Just used her hand from there and she moved my shirt to avoid getting it messy! Cleaned up and she asked me could we do it again sometime, and could she have my number. We traded numbers, got back in the car and drove back. On the way, for some reason I decided to check her arm, as I was contemplating a more complete date. There it was. Collapsed vein. She pulled her arm away, and said in a very sad voice "I am trying to get help." I thought she might cry. Words cannot express how bad I felt at that moment. She was young, beautiful, and I had just enabled her. I know if I had not someone else would have. I am sure others I have picked up have the same or similar addictions. But with cold weather, the arms were always covered. At that moment however, it hit me hard how sad the whole thing was. She should have been in college, or working in a mall somewhere, having fun with her friends. I have never referred anyone for addiction treatment, so I will have to find out about some programs in case I see her again. Then I began thinking about the other problems involved in intravenous drug use, some of which might now be mine, including Hepatitis. Not trying to scare anyone, or to preach, just letting you in on the thought process. She had another handicap I won't discuss, which just made me all the sadder, as it seems life had been pretty cruel to her in general. I have no doubt I will hobby again, as the little head is stronger than the big one, so please, no flames. I am human, I felt guilt.

Dr. Monger

[Moe_Greene]

Originally posted by valuvr
Hello fellow mongers,

First post and of course I am seeking help. I will be in Baltimore next weekend at Inner Harbor and would like to find some action I can walk or take a cab to. Are there any good amp or incall services? I read posts about The Block. Where is that and what can I expect to find. Also any help with expected rates would be welcome. I don't want to overpay and cause any inflation for locals.

Thanks for any and all help!

I was a visitor too just a while back. Go to the Block. It is a short walk from the hotels in the inner harbor. You can get full satisfaction in almost any of the strip bars for about $$ or so. The bars are also nude with alcohol, thanks to some creative legislation.

I suspect that there are relatively few posts here about the Block because there is no risk/trick to it. This is perfect for tourists like you and me.

Good luck (not that you should need it).

Moe

[Ol Seadog]

Managed to get out again Friday evening the 25th. Begain raining like hell as I approached PP from downtown but did see a couple hardcore undersirable SW braving the weather. Must be tough to have to feed that huge monkey some of these girls have on their backs. Anyone thinking of trying drugs should just hang around the park and see some of these girls...pathedic.

Anyway, saw a cute small built blond on the corne of Conklin and Balto. I had been with her about a year ago and hadn't seen her since, she is a part-timer. The thing I remember most about her was she had a huge clit. Traffic prevented me from stopping or even making eye contact, damn rain. Naturally she was gone on my second pass.

Note to other mongers: I usually pull right to the curb even if the SW is on the other side. To many times if I try to find a place to double back she is gone.

Proceeded to Rt40 and headed east when I spot a slim blond, 5'2", 100lbs in her late 20s walking towards Haven under her umbrella. She hops in and I am somewhat dissapointed because her face doesn't match her body....looks 8 from the car but a 4 when she got in but her body was a solid 9. Went to the no-tell-motel and got a short time room. It was a real pleasure watching her undress....a winner for once. A little on the expensive side, she wanted $60 for 1/2 and 1/2 ( I usually go for $40 tops) but she was more than worth it and lingered longer. She seemed to genuenly enjoy herself, I know I did.

This is the first time I have seen her and she did not have a phone but I made arrangements to meet her next week...we shall see.

Good hunting....