Rants, Raves, and opinions. Speak your mind

[Vick1957]

I don't partake as often, but lately I have been seeing p411 ladies twice a month. Usually better quality and no drama. Tradeoff is more $$.

I am positive the recent busts in VB originated off STG. I would not go there. In the end you pay a lot more if you walk into a sting and have to hire a lawyer, not to mention the loss of income / family and the stigma that goes along with it! Better to hook up through P411.

[Vick1957]

Been doing this since 2002, and the difference in talent between now and back then is night and day. The girls I picked up in the OV streetwalker scene back in the day were 100 x more reliable than the talent floating around on these sites today. And as of late, its been more of the same: scams, ghosting, and overall BS. It's like these girls just don't want to make money anymore in this hobby and should really be going to get 9 to 5's somewhere. I really don't see this hobby getting better, and until things change, I think I'm just going to take a long break from it. It's too exhausting and time-consuming. One more thing: thank you to each and every one of you in this forum, who has helped me over the years find the girls I needed to have the kind of nights I wanted out of all of this. Good luck guys.

I don't partake as often, but lately I have been seeing p411 ladies twice a month. Usually better quality and no drama. Tradeoff is more $$.

[SwordKnight]

I spent much of 2019 in Europe, and the quality, ease, and reliability was just So Much Better there that it was depressing to come back to this slop. Since then it's been almost entirely AMPs for me.

[ScottsMan17]

I agree talent has gone down hill and a lot of these ladies have GPS bad. But, there are plenty of reliable ones that provide good service you just have to find them. A bigger issue is the gate keeping that's going on, nobody shares anymore! This site is almost useless anymore. Hell even I have started to gate keep certain girls or at least only share with a select few. The days of announcing to the world are over, too many times have a shared info and some dude will go and ruin it with some petty BS. As we always say YMMV, these ho's don't treat everbody the same (most anyway) you just got to adapt to the way the game is played now, find 3-4 good ones and keep htem in the rotation.

[Turbo99]

Fellow mongers, I am out of here!! I am over this hobby. I have been in this hobby for 10 years plus. Back when Craig's List was a great source of providers.

Today, my fantasies cannot keep up with the talent. The challenges to find good talent has gotten too time intensive and expensive for me. I'm tired.

I have worked the many routes to find talent and they now mostly lead to attempted scams, misinformation, meet ups gone ghost, deposit, deposit, deposit (only once fell for it) or worse. I had a great go to in Rose, who some of you may remember from the original Hilltop then following her as she wondered through other spas. She finally, opened her own shop on Shore Drive. Only yo have a despicable make an inappropriate video that he took to court. She hasn't been seen since.

I found a true go to like no other at Golden Sunny. Two providers there. Then they got busted for the final time this year. I tried others but it is not the same.

Finally, I thought I would try the Lux Spa experience just to see if the more expensive is better. Higher price is not better except for this time and this one element. I finally experienced a truly 20 something provider. Very pretty. Based on some reviews of Lux by other mongers, this isn't always the case that the Lux ladies are true to their picture. She was. She is gone now as Lux rotates monthly or less. She was petite with gorgeous man made D's. It was the best Table shower experience I have ever had. The BBBJ very nice, not sloppy enough with a hint of teeth, but finishing in the mouth another first. The massage was meh.

So I am going to live in another direction. A true course in awakening to my greatest self. Wish me luck.

Be safe out there and Enjoy the Journey.

I will not be available to reply to comments. I may read them but well you get it. By August I will remove my profile.

Been doing this since 2002, and the difference in talent between now and back then is night and day. The girls I picked up in the OV streetwalker scene back in the day were 100 x more reliable than the talent floating around on these sites today. And as of late, its been more of the same: scams, ghosting, and overall BS. It's like these girls just don't want to make money anymore in this hobby and should really be going to get 9 to 5's somewhere. I really don't see this hobby getting better, and until things change, I think I'm just going to take a long break from it. It's too exhausting and time-consuming. One more thing: thank you to each and every one of you in this forum, who has helped me over the years find the girls I needed to have the kind of nights I wanted out of all of this. Good luck guys.

[LuvNHookers]

Fellow mongers, I am out of here!!

Via con Dios.

I feel it, too.

Like you, I've been at this for close to 30 years. But the last 7-10 show this industry is in a total nose dive. Back in the day, $$1/2 would get a hr date with a cute woman who prepared herself for the date, BBBJ, msog, completely GFE. These days it's 80%-90% scammer druggies who may or may not even wash between clients. Don't think I don't know women have always used this industry to support habits but it seems much more so than in the 90's. I'm getting older so my desire is dropping, but younger bucks may be feeling it a bit more acutely. My visits are fewer and farther between and none have really "wowed" me like they used to. It's not that I'm pickier, it's that the quality has tanked.

[Sal Royal]

Be gone fellow Senior member. I feel your pain. I too am scaling back on mongering. Too business-like. Few can even pretend to enjoy the experience along with you. Too mechanical and now, costly. No longer worth the experience.

I share your pain. I had 2 great providers for about 15 years but they both retired. Their retirement combined with be new to this area has me searching for a good provider and it seems an impossible task. I have not given up yet but have little hope.

[Incognito01]

Fellow mongers, I am out of here!! I am over this hobby. I have been in this hobby for 10 years plus. Back when Craig's List was a great source of providers.

Today, my fantasies cannot keep up with the talent. The challenges to find good talent has gotten too time intensive and expensive for me. I'm tired.

I have worked the many routes to find talent and they now mostly lead to attempted scams, misinformation, meet ups gone ghost, deposit, deposit, deposit (only once fell for it) or worse. I had a great go to in Rose, who some of you may remember from the original Hilltop then following her as she wondered through other spas. She finally, opened her own shop on Shore Drive. Only yo have a despicable make an inappropriate video that he took to court. She hasn't been seen since.

I found a true go to like no other at Golden Sunny. Two providers there. Then they got busted for the final time this year. I tried others but it is not the same.

Finally, I thought I would try the Lux Spa experience just to see if the more expensive is better. Higher price is not better except for this time and this one element. I finally experienced a truly 20 something provider. Very pretty. Based on some reviews of Lux by other mongers, this isn't always the case that the Lux ladies are true to their picture. She was. She is gone now as Lux rotates monthly or less. She was petite with gorgeous man made D's. It was the best Table shower experience I have ever had. The BBBJ very nice, not sloppy enough with a hint of teeth, but finishing in the mouth another first. The massage was meh.

So I am going to live in another direction. A true course in awakening to my greatest self. Wish me luck.

Be safe out there and Enjoy the Journey.

I will not be available to reply to comments. I may read them but well you get it. By August I will remove my profile.

I have been in the hobby since about 2009, but did not get to experience the US side of things until 2022. I have an account on the international forum, but for whatever reason, the US forum was nothing to obstacles for me as it took about three years before I was able to get the correct info to verify the account and get it so that I could post. There are some completely delusional people that post here, but you are one of the few that have been helpful. This area is the worst I have ever seen, and I am counting my experiences in Bangladesh into that as well. If you set aside the money you would normally spend here, you could take an annual trip to list of countries and have the best week / two weeks of your life.

The one take away that I get here is that no provider—independent or AMP—seems to legitimately want you to be there or come back. You exist only from the moment the money leaves your hand to the 5-10 minutes prior to when you are scheduled to complete the meeting. After that, its rush to you get out to door. They don't actually care if you come back or not, and make no effort to see that you do. That may just be how things are here, may have to do with race, maybe the don't want attention, but I am not used to that at all.

I used to read about how guys were coaching others to always ask for a lower price, and I get why they do it now. Most independent girls are either drugged up to their eyeballs, under the threat of a handler, or coming up with ways to scheme and scam. The AMPs here are a combination of girls that have aged out of the larger US and home-country markets, lack the personality and attractiveness for home-country markets, or just thought it was a quick way to make money but did not really want to be there. Of all the types of women I have been around, I have never met a group that acts like the AMPs here. They use half a bottle of lube on themselves, they outright ask you to "hurry up", and they say they are "too tired". The "traveling" girls, Asians and Latinos, are another can of worms that I won't go into, but lets just say in two experiences, one lady had a fresh 6-pack of Ensure sitting on the dresser, and another lady appeared to had been wheeled directly from the retirement home to the motel.

The mongers here are no different. I have seen some outright disgusting behavior from Aussies and Russians, but some things I have seen here is up there. In South Carolina, there was a thread of a guy intentionally drugging up a girl and him posting about it. Then when that girl was sent to detox, some guy posts about "coming to her rescue", picking her up from that facility, scolding those that did that to her, and immediately began to post photos her in a lucid state nude on his bed still with the hospital bracelet on. One of the first tips I found in this area was about the Aya lady, who seemed to be extremely popular on here, so I followed the lead only to find that she was a homeless middle aged woman with mental issues.

This whole US side of things is not enjoyable. Overseas, it is completely different. Yes, I know they only care about the money I give them, but at least they go through the effort of suspending reality in ways that it is completely unnoticed. BTW, how the hell did you get an in-mouth finish at Lux!? I like to finish on the ass or stomach and each time I attempted, the girl acted as if I had pulled out a weapon. Nevertheless, I hope you find something better in the future. If you ever feel the need to venture out to Southeast Asia, send me a PM. According to the temperature, you should try Hongyun before you bow out. Thanks for the help, stay safe!

[MakeMKum]

Fellow mongers, I am out of here!! I am over this hobby. I have been in this hobby for 10 years plus. Back when Craig's List was a great source of providers.

Today, my fantasies cannot keep up with the talent. The challenges to find good talent has gotten too time intensive and expensive for me. I'm tired.

I have worked the many routes to find talent and they now mostly lead to attempted scams, misinformation, meet ups gone ghost, deposit, deposit, deposit (only once fell for it) or worse. I had a great go to in Rose, who some of you may remember from the original Hilltop then following her as she wondered through other spas. She finally, opened her own shop on Shore Drive. Only yo have a despicable make an inappropriate video that he took to court. She hasn't been seen since.

I found a true go to like no other at Golden Sunny. Two providers there. Then they got busted for the final time this year. I tried others but it is not the same.

Finally, I thought I would try the Lux Spa experience just to see if the more expensive is better. Higher price is not better except for this time and this one element. I finally experienced a truly 20 something provider. Very pretty. Based on some reviews of Lux by other mongers, this isn't always the case that the Lux ladies are true to their picture. She was. She is gone now as Lux rotates monthly or less. She was petite with gorgeous man made D's. It was the best Table shower experience I have ever had. The BBBJ very nice, not sloppy enough with a hint of teeth, but finishing in the mouth another first. The massage was meh.

So I am going to live in another direction. A true course in awakening to my greatest self. Wish me luck.

Be safe out there and Enjoy the Journey.

I will not be available to reply to comments. I may read them but well you get it. By August I will remove my profile.

Be gone fellow Senior member. I feel your pain. I too am scaling back on mongering. Too business-like. Few can even pretend to enjoy the experience along with you. Too mechanical and now, costly. No longer worth the experience.

[Robinhood757]

Fellow mongers, I am out of here!! I am over this hobby. I have been in this hobby for 10 years plus. Back when Craig's List was a great source of providers.

Today, my fantasies cannot keep up with the talent. The challenges to find good talent has gotten too time intensive and expensive for me. I'm tired.

I have worked the many routes to find talent and they now mostly lead to attempted scams, misinformation, meet ups gone ghost, deposit, deposit, deposit (only once fell for it) or worse. I had a great go to in Rose, who some of you may remember from the original Hilltop then following her as she wondered through other spas. She finally, opened her own shop on Shore Drive. Only yo have a despicable make an inappropriate video that he took to court. She hasn't been seen since.

I found a true go to like no other at Golden Sunny. Two providers there. Then they got busted for the final time this year. I tried others but it is not the same.

Finally, I thought I would try the Lux Spa experience just to see if the more expensive is better. Higher price is not better except for this time and this one element. I finally experienced a truly 20 something provider. Very pretty. Based on some reviews of Lux by other mongers, this isn't always the case that the Lux ladies are true to their picture. She was. She is gone now as Lux rotates monthly or less. She was petite with gorgeous man made D's. It was the best Table shower experience I have ever had. The BBBJ very nice, not sloppy enough with a hint of teeth, but finishing in the mouth another first. The massage was meh.

So I am going to live in another direction. A true course in awakening to my greatest self. Wish me luck.

Be safe out there and Enjoy the Journey.

I will not be available to reply to comments. I may read them but well you get it. By August I will remove my profile.

[LuvNHookers]

Like, which is it? When they say they don't do something but don't take time to fix the rest of the post and end up contradicting themselves I tend to not trust anything in the post.

If you come across this kind of thing you can bet she's not GFE, it will be CBJ and not BBBJ, most likely a clock watcher, and prolly hard to get ahold of and will definitely ghost if you make a deposit. If she's outcall, the second she has the money she will remember something in her car and you'll never see her again.

[Redleg27]

I agree. Its just frustrating to use the filters and they say they don't do something. But I guess that's better than getting to the visit and finding out.

Many ladies never check the boxes they just ch3 ck them. I have asked many times about a service and have been told I don't do that. Then send them the screen shot. Some just want clients will anything. It's a crap shoot.

[Father Glucose]

I'd assume that whichever version you don't want is the one that applies.

I agree. Its just frustrating to use the filters and they say they don't do something. But I guess that's better than getting to the visit and finding out.

[SwordKnight]

Like, which is it? When they say they don't do something but don't take time to fix the rest of the post and end up contradicting themselves I tend to not trust anything in the post.

I'd assume that whichever version you don't want is the one that applies.

[Father Glucose]

Like, which is it? When they say they don't do something but don't take time to fix the rest of the post and end up contradicting themselves I tend to not trust anything in the post.