Bullshit that has Nothing to do With Pussy

[Moejoo]

I respect your opinion, and I genuinely understand the frustration you're describing. I know what it's like to care deeply about someone and not have that feeling returned in the way you hoped. But that's also why I keep coming back to the the same question: why get married if, when things become difficult, the answer is to seek intimacy outside the marriage rather than address the marriage itself?

And I think there's another person we rarely consider: the man or woman who genuinely would have loved, cherished, and remained faithful to that spouse, but never had the opportunity because someone else made those vows first and then chose not to honor them.

I know what that's like. There was a woman I deeply loved, and sex wasn't even the issue. I simply loved being around her. I enjoyed her company, her presence, and who she was as a person. To me, that's what love is supposed to be built on.

I understand that marriages can become unhappy, that intimacy can disappear, and that people can feel trapped, rejected, or lonely. But I struggle with the idea that this justifies betrayal. If the relationship is broken, then communicate. Seek counseling. And if the marriage is truly beyond repair, get divorced.

Perhaps this is where our values differ. I believe that if you view the person who agreed to build a life with you, who bore your children, who defended you, sacrificed for you, and stood by your side, as someone whose value depends primarily on whether they continue to provide a particular service, then that reflects a profound moral failure. That person is a human being, not a commodity.

Maybe the uncomfortable truth is that some people discover they never truly loved their spouse in the first place. Maybe they loved the idea of marriage, the wedding day, the social expectation, or simply the feeling of not being alone. Then reality sets in, and they find themselves sharing a life with someone they don't really know or even like.

I happen to believe that love can begin instantly, but I also believe that real love is a commitment that requires honesty, sacrifice, and mutual respect.

So I return to my original question, because despite all the criticism I've received, I still haven't heard a satisfying answer:

If you believe your marriage is over, why not end it before seeking intimacy elsewhere? Why violate the vows at all?

Simplest answer in the world, you get married and afterwards for whatever reason no more sex. The two of you have mutual obligations and partnership that have nothing to do with sex so to keep it together you stray.

The question that must be making your head explode is you paying for pussy and all the damage it is doing to you, your personal relationships, her and her personal relationships. It must suck trying to live like that and by coming here to preach to us it is just showing how messed up you are. Your first post in this mess makes no sense at all you must have some sort of medication, drug, or alcohol problem you need to see a shrink. Best of luck with your survival and mental health through all of this I feel sorry for your plight.

[Chicago41]

I love the ignore list.

[Sukebe3]

This isn't in blue so it's me the guy not me the god like presence on the forum answering.

Because 63% of American couples have sex less than once a week and 25% of them have sex less than once a month.

American women weaponize sex and force their partners into an unwanted celibate lifestyle while they are fucking somebody at work. If you get involved with somebody that's going to get messy and it takes a lot of time. Commercial sex is an easy answer to a complicated question and if you refuse to take risk in doing it you normally won't get caught.

It's not hard to figure out.

A2.

I respect your opinion, and I genuinely understand the frustration you're describing. I know what it's like to care deeply about someone and not have that feeling returned in the way you hoped. But that's also why I keep coming back to the the same question: why get married if, when things become difficult, the answer is to seek intimacy outside the marriage rather than address the marriage itself?

And I think there's another person we rarely consider: the man or woman who genuinely would have loved, cherished, and remained faithful to that spouse, but never had the opportunity because someone else made those vows first and then chose not to honor them.

I know what that's like. There was a woman I deeply loved, and sex wasn't even the issue. I simply loved being around her. I enjoyed her company, her presence, and who she was as a person. To me, that's what love is supposed to be built on.

I understand that marriages can become unhappy, that intimacy can disappear, and that people can feel trapped, rejected, or lonely. But I struggle with the idea that this justifies betrayal. If the relationship is broken, then communicate. Seek counseling. And if the marriage is truly beyond repair, get divorced.

Perhaps this is where our values differ. I believe that if you view the person who agreed to build a life with you, who bore your children, who defended you, sacrificed for you, and stood by your side, as someone whose value depends primarily on whether they continue to provide a particular service, then that reflects a profound moral failure. That person is a human being, not a commodity.

Maybe the uncomfortable truth is that some people discover they never truly loved their spouse in the first place. Maybe they loved the idea of marriage, the wedding day, the social expectation, or simply the feeling of not being alone. Then reality sets in, and they find themselves sharing a life with someone they don't really know or even like.

I happen to believe that love can begin instantly, but I also believe that real love is a commitment that requires honesty, sacrifice, and mutual respect.

So I return to my original question, because despite all the criticism I've received, I still haven't heard a satisfying answer:

If you believe your marriage is over, why not end it before seeking intimacy elsewhere? Why violate the vows at all?

[Wirelessone]

Yes just like the title says, I hate you guys. I have a theory that many of these places get shut down because the ugly mid women (whom you allow to put game on you) discover your burner phones and are responsible for getting these places shut down. I recall one situation where an MT was joking about someone's wife discovering his burner phone and yelling to have the place shut down. Fuck you guys. You are the ones that will quickly depart during a robbery or an irate customer because you are worried your ugly wife will see you on the news and sue you for half your shit (which I beleive rightfully so). Fuck you guys. You guys even have children with these people who grow up arround our children.

I know this is a rant, and a hit dog in a crowd will bark loudest, but the realization occured to me when I FINALLY bought my first house. I came home with bags of groceries, and this woman (a former stripper) pulled up asking me for a ride. I was like.

"no! Thank you. ".

I keep walking, the stupid ass ***** follows me for a good block.

"I know your neighbor! ".

So like an idiot I jump in the car, I immediatly argue with myself as to whether to jump out or hit this stupid ***** after her first revalation.

"Oh by the way, my husbands the mayor. ".

Long story short I meet this fucking bozo, the loser looks like some of you, out of shape, chain smoker, National Lampoons movie reject. The dude gives me dirty looks, ruining my peace, calling me from across the street as I leave the house. I had already moved here to opt for a new life travel the world, complete Bajustu section whatever. Now I have this jealous idiot following me around, and to make matters worst he spreads rumors that I'm on some fbi watch list. I almost military pressed him and tossed him in the street. My point is I came her for peace, finish my engineering degree, maybe raise chickens, and meet a nice girl, no, the town is full of these ugly mid looking depressed women who sit at home and complain why their husbands don't find them attractive. I have had several options to get married, and at age 50+ I'm glad I didn't. I have the vigor of a high school jock, yet everywhere I go I have to drive down a different street everytime I see one of these ugly jeealous bitches some of you carelessly wed and even had kids with.

If I ran a spa, I'd ban all married people, you guys are the ones who ruin it for the rest of us. As a rule I don't touch married women, but here in fucked up America there are so many of them here, they are called Karens.

Why get married to someone you are planning to cheat on? She won't give you a blowjob? Try explaining that to the kids you bring into this world whos lives you damaged because of that stupid choice! I should know I grew up with them!

I feel once you've accomplished that first step, the inner peace you seek, you will find 👍.

[Admin2]

A lot of people seem more upset that I asked the question than they are about the behavior itself, which I find interesting.

My question is simple: why get married and bring children into the world if you're going to cheat on your spouse?

This isn't about being anti-marriage. It's about personal responsibility. When you cheat, you aren't just betraying your spouse. You're affecting your children, your family, and everyone else whose life is tied to yours.

And here's another perspective that people rarely consider: what about the man who genuinely loved that woman, wanted to marry her, and build a life with her, but never got the chance because you got there first? If you're going to betray your vows anyway, what exactly was the point of taking that commitment away from someone who might have honored it?

People have attacked me personally rather than answer the question. That's fine. My views on this didn't come out of nowhere. I grew up watching the damage that infidelity can do to a family. I saw firsthand how betrayal affects children and how those effects can last a lifetime.

Even King David, one of the greatest kings in the Bible, was not above judgment. He desired Bathsheba, arranged for Uriah's death, and was ultimately confronted by the prophet Nathan. Nathan didn't flatter him or excuse him. He told David the truth:

"Thou art the man. ".

2 Samuel 12:7 (KJV).

David's greatness wasn't that he was perfect. It was that he eventually acknowledged his sin.

So I'll ask the same question again, because despite all the insults and ad hominem attacks, I haven't heard a good answer:

If you intend to cheat, deceive, and betray your vows, why get married in the first place?

This isn't in blue so it's me the guy not me the god like presence on the forum answering.

Because 63% of American couples have sex less than once a week and 25% of them have sex less than once a month.

American women weaponize sex and force their partners into an unwanted celibate lifestyle while they are fucking somebody at work. If you get involved with somebody that's going to get messy and it takes a lot of time. Commercial sex is an easy answer to a complicated question and if you refuse to take risk in doing it you normally won't get caught.

It's not hard to figure out.

A2.

[Sukebe3]

My goodness, what a rant!

Honestly, you can have a few drinks but definitely refrain from going on the internet and posting crap!

As far as married people? You think that's the problem? Absolutely, If a wife finds out you've been going to the parlor she's going to be pissed and yeah she could probably call her alderman or write a complaint letter to the mayor. But usually by that time it's already been figured out what's going on and that's not going to make any difference if the place is under an investigation.

So you want to find a nice girl, raise chickens, etc. ??

Then you can get married so people can hate you, I get it.

And it's telling how you seem so butthurt over a moral issue when many people would just pass over what I said. Instead of answering the question I posed. You're just going to spin things around where it's an attack on my character to distract from your obvious failings as a human being. I'm 54 living my best life, I've had several opportunities to wed yet I knew deep down I wasn't attracted to her like that. Maybe it's the Chinese girl I use to speak with who almost died in child birth because she trusted her womb with one of you losers that ended up cheating on her. Imagine what life would be like if I had the Infinity gauntlet!? One Thanos snap to rid the universe of lounge lizards like you with money to burn. No more OF, no more hot chicks being approached by sleazy porn directors, cam girls. Everyone would be approachable these days like it was back in the 90's. Apologies to the moderator if this sounds argumentative but you never answered the question, why get married produce a kid with someone you aren't willing to be faithful with?

[Sukebe3]

I think he has some other issues. Look at his past posts. Racist. Misogynistic. Argumentative. Lots of fun at parties. Could be the heat. Could be off his meds.

At least I don't have 1000 multiple account disorder like you. Something I said must have really touched a nerve with you.

[Gent620]

Just spitballing.

"AMP or Apartment" - Apartment seems better. Either way you pay rent but seems like more risk to have a dumpy neon "Massage" sign in your window. And you can charge more from an apartment.

"where do you find the girls?" Steal them from other places, offer them a better cut to join your squad. To start off with, you probably only need two. Give them a referral bonus if they talk friends in the biz into joining you.

"where do you find the mamasan?" If you can do the occasional check-in so they know you might show at any hour, I think you could do without a mamasan / papasan. You handle all the bookings via text. If customer shows and girl doesn't open the door, you know you have a problem and need new staff. Or appoint one of the girls mamasan as many spas do, but in an apartment setting if you feel you need an on-site boss.

"Location?" I'd vote Rogers Park. Aren't any apt options I know of on the Northside, so you may capture some wealthy north suburban customers.

"Services"? Has to be FS. Supply the protection and if a girl offers BBFS, that's really up to her and she keeps the extra, or don't allow it or take a cut if she agrees.

"Booking"? I think you could accomplish this via a burner phone for yourself and burners for your girls. Do enough screening to avoid LE which honestly doesn't seem that tough to me.

Other thoughts: You probably need to go in knowing you're going to lose money in the short run. Offering better cuts to get the biz started (once you're more established, you could shift to a more normal cut for new staff), security deposit at apartment, advertising. I imagine a Senior on this site would do pretty well as people here would trust him.

Obviously starting an adult business of this nature would be a big legal risk. Plus you might get the crap beaten out of you if you steal a girl from the wrong place that might be connected to a crime syndicate.

Have you ever seen the film Night Shift with Michael Keaton and Henry Winkler? I want to be as discreet as possible, maybe inbox people here with reputable talent. I'm already finishing up the last leg of my MBA to run a business. Isn't there a database online these spa's obtain girls from?

[Sukebe3]

A lot of people seem more upset that I asked the question than they are about the behavior itself, which I find interesting.

My question is simple: why get married and bring children into the world if you're going to cheat on your spouse?

This isn't about being anti-marriage. It's about personal responsibility. When you cheat, you aren't just betraying your spouse. You're affecting your children, your family, and everyone else whose life is tied to yours.

And here's another perspective that people rarely consider: what about the man who genuinely loved that woman, wanted to marry her, and build a life with her, but never got the chance because you got there first? If you're going to betray your vows anyway, what exactly was the point of taking that commitment away from someone who might have honored it?

People have attacked me personally rather than answer the question. That's fine. My views on this didn't come out of nowhere. I grew up watching the damage that infidelity can do to a family. I saw firsthand how betrayal affects children and how those effects can last a lifetime.

Even King David, one of the greatest kings in the Bible, was not above judgment. He desired Bathsheba, arranged for Uriah's death, and was ultimately confronted by the prophet Nathan. Nathan didn't flatter him or excuse him. He told David the truth:

"Thou art the man. ".

— 2 Samuel 12:7 (KJV).

David's greatness wasn't that he was perfect. It was that he eventually acknowledged his sin.

So I'll ask the same question again, because despite all the insults and ad hominem attacks, I haven't heard a good answer:

If you intend to cheat, deceive, and betray your vows, why get married in the first place?

[The Banger]

I think he has some other issues. Look at his past posts. Racist. Misogynistic. Argumentative. Lots of fun at parties. Could be the heat. Could be off his meds.

I tried reading along trying to figure out what he meant, she was picking him up? And then how did the neighbor get involved? I got about that car and realized this guy's venting is frustrations for sure and most likely drunk doing it.

He hasn't replied back yet because he's probably still hungover.

That's one of the weirdest things I've ever read on this forum.

[JasonWi]

I would love to run a AMP or Apartment! What a dream come true that would be! But where do you find the girls and the mamasan? LOL.

Just spitballing.

"AMP or Apartment" - Apartment seems better. Either way you pay rent but seems like more risk to have a dumpy neon "Massage" sign in your window. And you can charge more from an apartment.

"where do you find the girls?" Steal them from other places, offer them a better cut to join your squad. To start off with, you probably only need two. Give them a referral bonus if they talk friends in the biz into joining you.

"where do you find the mamasan?" If you can do the occasional check-in so they know you might show at any hour, I think you could do without a mamasan / papasan. You handle all the bookings via text. If customer shows and girl doesn't open the door, you know you have a problem and need new staff. Or appoint one of the girls mamasan as many spas do, but in an apartment setting if you feel you need an on-site boss.

"Location?" I'd vote Rogers Park. Aren't any apt options I know of on the Northside, so you may capture some wealthy north suburban customers.

"Services"? Has to be FS. Supply the protection and if a girl offers BBFS, that's really up to her and she keeps the extra, or don't allow it or take a cut if she agrees.

"Booking"? I think you could accomplish this via a burner phone for yourself and burners for your girls. Do enough screening to avoid LE which honestly doesn't seem that tough to me.

Other thoughts: You probably need to go in knowing you're going to lose money in the short run. Offering better cuts to get the biz started (once you're more established, you could shift to a more normal cut for new staff), security deposit at apartment, advertising. I imagine a Senior on this site would do pretty well as people here would trust him.

Obviously starting an adult business of this nature would be a big legal risk. Plus you might get the crap beaten out of you if you steal a girl from the wrong place that might be connected to a crime syndicate.

[SmileySam]

Yes just like the title says, I hate you guys. I have a theory that many of these places get shut down because the ugly mid women (whom you allow to put game on you) discover your burner phones and are responsible for getting these places shut down. I recall one situation where an MT was joking about someone's wife discovering his burner phone and yelling to have the place shut down. Fuck you guys. You are the ones that will quickly depart during a robbery or an irate customer because you are worried your….
If I ran a spa, I'd ban all married people, you guys are the ones who ruin it for the rest of us. As a rule I don't touch married women, but here in fucked up America there are so many of them here, they are called Karens.

Why get married to someone you are planning to cheat on? She won't give you a blowjob? Try explaining that to the kids you bring into this world whos lives you damaged because of that stupid choice! I should know I grew up with them!

That is some cray cray shit. Maybe pick another hobby?

[MissingLink411]

Yes just like the title says, I hate you guys. I have a theory that many of these places get shut down because the ugly mid women (whom you allow to put game on you) discover your burner phones and are responsible for getting these places shut down. I recall one situation where an MT was joking about someone's wife discovering his burner phone and yelling to have the place shut down. Fuck you guys. You are the ones that will quickly depart during a robbery or an irate customer because you are worried your ugly wife will see you on the news and sue you for half your shit (which I beleive rightfully so). Fuck you guys. You guys even have children with these people who grow up arround our children.

I know this is a rant, and a hit dog in a crowd will bark loudest, but the realization occured to me when I FINALLY bought my first house. I came home with bags of groceries, and this woman (a former stripper) pulled up asking me for a ride. I was like.

"no! Thank you. ".

I keep walking, the stupid ass ***** follows me for a good block.

"I know your neighbor! ".

So like an idiot I jump in the car, I immediatly argue with myself as to whether to jump out or hit this stupid ***** after her first revalation.

"Oh by the way, my husbands the mayor. ".

Long story short I meet this fucking bozo, the loser looks like some of you, out of shape, chain smoker, National Lampoons movie reject. The dude gives me dirty looks, ruining my peace, calling me from across the street as I leave the house. I had already moved here to opt for a new life travel the world, complete Bajustu section whatever. Now I have this jealous idiot following me around, and to make matters worst he spreads rumors that I'm on some fbi watch list. I almost military pressed him and tossed him in the street. My point is I came her for peace, finish my engineering degree, maybe raise chickens, and meet a nice girl, no, the town is full of these ugly mid looking depressed women who sit at home and complain why their husbands don't find them attractive. I have had several options to get married, and at age 50+ I'm glad I didn't. I have the vigor of a high school jock, yet everywhere I go I have to drive down a different street everytime I see one of these ugly jeealous bitches some of you carelessly wed and even had kids with.

If I ran a spa, I'd ban all married people, you guys are the ones who ruin it for the rest of us. As a rule I don't touch married women, but here in fucked up America there are so many of them here, they are called Karens.

Why get married to someone you are planning to cheat on? She won't give you a blowjob? Try explaining that to the kids you bring into this world whos lives you damaged because of that stupid choice! I should know I grew up with them!

This is what I read,..."Ken" is a looser, don't be like Ken!
"Ken" is 50+ who is miserable because at his age he finally bought his first house, no car, getting rides from former strippers, pays for sex, and single. Ken can refer himself to a jock strap and still be a looser! Maybe by age 60 you can buy a car and not have to hitch rides from former strippers.

[PunkAsFuck]

From a non-married person here, sir you either are young, new to this, manic or deeply misunderstood. Married people are not causing MPs to get busted. There are a wide range of factors and this is near the bottom. These places operate in high density neighborhoods where neighbors start realize what is going on. You should really try doing research before blaming a large group of people who keeps the lights on for a lot of these professions.

Some of the local neighborhood sub-Reddits are basically like the Nextdoor app. I saw one thread a year ago from Evanston or Rogers Park (one from that area) posting pictures of one of the AMPs near Howard Red Line stop and a few of them were very nosey about it where they claim that they never have seen anyone ever go in or out of it yet act as if they are a problem at the same time.

[HappyGardener]

My goodness, what a rant!

Honestly, you can have a few drinks but definitely refrain from going on the internet and posting crap!

I think he has some other issues. Look at his past posts. Racist. Misogynistic. Argumentative. Lots of fun at parties. Could be the heat. Could be off his meds.