Rants Opinions and Totally Pointless Bullshit

[Ayasaki]

For whatever its worth here's my totally pointless bullshit advice LOL.

I'd generally agree with most of this. For me though I do mostly stick to routine, although I've been at all times of day, but my interpretation of when they raid is a little different. So they can 100% get me around the same times haha. However, for my own issues, I feel certain times benefit me more and deviating from that is more likely to cause problems for me.

I have never seen any of the news stations here report on this site, I'm sure someone has somewhere, but when one of the stores was busted last year, the detective mentioned that the spas had posted advertisements on adult websites with pictures of sexual acts and a menu of sexual acts they would preform. To add to this local businesses, schools, and angry house wives brought it to the attention of police. I'm sure LE are aware of this website, but the businesses themselves self-snitch through their ads, and they attract parking issues and whatnot for their neighbors. One thing I have noticed thus far about Nashville is that the busts generally happen when the place is closed for the night or early in the am when the MT's have their guards down, probably hours after an officer went in undercover and was offered services. I'm basing that off of news reports that are publicly available. They seem more interested in arresting the management of those places than the johns. That could always change so as with anything related to SW, go at your own risk. Also it seems as though when a spa opens outside the metro area, LE is harsher and quick to shut them down. With the violent crime and traffic incidents Nashville has bigger fish to fry than a few jack shacks, at least until complaints add up.

And yes this has been my amateur experience as well. One unfortunate thing is I haven't seen easy online access to any of the court documents or affidavits that cause the raids. Like maybe there's somewhere I can physically go to look up that info but I really don't want to put myself out there for something so minor. I know their names sometimes and can find the crimes associated, but never a good document that lines up the why and how.

So instead, I end up looking up other places and states for information when it pops up. Now I do usually leave that research for agencies because knowing what goes on there has a higher chance of blowing back on me than an AMP if they pursue, but sometimes I do find a document or report that's related in another area and I keep it for reference. One such place is Texas. And ironically, while researching some more for the sake of this reply, I was able to find a document I was unable to do so from earlier by cross referencing Trellis with the Dallas court search. It's less important about that and more because I wanted to share this thing from another community but wanted to be sure.

Anyway several businesses were raided and have several names for them, but I like this one so I'll use it, "Time For Me" Spa. Here's an excerpt from one of the documents. The most unique part is bolded, but I'm giving the full context so anyone can see an example of how they fished a girl for info.

* On December 2, 2024, the Dallas Police department was notified of online prostitution based advertisements for a previous location where a search warrant based on an illicit massage parlor was executed.

* (implied December 27,2024) Affiant conducted an online prostitution-based ad search for the publicly listed phone number for Time For Me Massage xxx. Affiant observed multiple online prostitution-based advertisements for the spa.

* On April 16,2025, the Dallas Police Department Human Trafficking Unit conducted an operation at xxxx Virginia Parkway suite xxx. Affiant was able to make a prostitution case with "Elisa" later identified as suspect (censored). During the massage, Affiant made small talk with suspect (censored) who stated that she was from Vietnam and been in America for about 3-4 years. Affiant stated she had good English for that and suspect (censored) stated that it was important to learn English so she could communicate with customers. Affiant noticed that suspect (censored) was becoming more and more comfortable talking about her services. Affiant asked Suspect (censored) if she liked providing sexual services and she stated she liked money. At one-point, Suspect (censored) made a "shh" motion. And Affiant asked if her boss would get mad that she was talking to customers. Suspect (censored) stated that the boss was not there, but the "bosses daughter, bosses daughter - (something Affiant was unable to hear)". Affiant believed she tried to say, "daughter in law". Suspect (censored) stated that time was up and got dressed. Affiant asked if he could buy more time and handed Suspect (censored) an additional $30. Suspect (censored) stated yes, but only a little because the "lady at the front" will say she did an hour appointment and Suspect (censored) will have to give her $70 instead of the 30-minute fee of $50. Suspect (censored) instructed Affiant to put the money on the end table. Affiant stated that he thought he knew who the boss was because she yelled at him last time when his.

Gift card wasn't working. Suspect (censored) laughed and stated that it was probably her because she had no patience. Affiant laughed and then asked her what kind of car she drives because there was an older Asian female that was getting a box out of a vehicle, and she appeared to be struggling so he helped her. Suspect (censored) stated that she drives multiple cars but mainly a "white Nissan". Affiant then asked if it was a SUV and Suspect (censored) stated yes. After more small talk Affiant asked her if she liked it there and she stated that at first, she did not because the other girls did not like her because her prices for hand jobs were too low. Suspect (censored) stated that the other girls complained to the boss and the boss told her to raise her prices because it was causing problems. Suspect (censored) then said time was up. Affiant got up and got dressed then left the spa.

Here's another one for "Home Spa" addressing a claim I made previously.

* On September 3rd, 2024, Affiant started investigating Home Spa at xxx and Central Expressway #xxx after several documents related to Home Spa were found from search warrant execution at apartment of suspected owner / operator of illicit massage parlor called Pearl Spa. Affiant interviewed owner / operator who confirmed that a friend was planning to open illicit massage parlor named Home Med Spa at xxx and Central Expressway #xxx.

* On November 27,2024, Affiant located several prostitution ads advertising Home Spa on various prostitution / escort posting websites which claimed that new Asian spa with young girls opened. Affiant also located reviews on rubmaps.ch, which is a popular site where customers leave reviews of their experiences at massage parlors including the name of provider, price of service, and type of sexual services if provided. Affiant observed specific review claiming various sexual activities were provided at Home Spa.

* From December 2, 2024, to June 12,2025, multiple undercover prostitution operations were conducted at Home Spa which resulted in several prostitution cases with 3 female sex workers, who also reside with Ms. (censored). These undercover operations were monitored, recorded, and documented, which were reviewed by supervisor to ensure no sexual act was performed per Dallas PD SID Standard Operating Procedure.

It's not just the rubmaps callout here, but the fact they also slow rolled the operation by going back several times over months and they used a previous location bust info to start the investigation onto the next one.

And this last one isn't AMP related, or well I don't know if it is or isn't. I was just testing my ability to search and ran across this one where they try to sell out a competitor..

* During the interview Li admitted that he had called 911 to get the police to respond to xxx Pinehurst. Li also admitted that he handed out the flyers on 5/20/2024 also trying to get neighbors to call the police on the criminal activity. Li said he was concerned because an unknown person had texted him and informed him that prostitution was occurring at the location. Li admitted that he called 911 from one phone and had an unknown female friend on another phone he had with him. Li said he had previously told the female friend what to say before calling 911 and once he called 911, he put the phones together on speaker so the female could act like she was in extreme duress inside the house while Li's other phone dialed 911 since she was not with him. Li admitted that he made up the fact. That there were any guns in the house and that a Chinese man had assaulted anyone. Li admitted he knew this action would bring police to the house even though there was no actual emergency involving any weapons.

So many ways for them to go down.

[Duffman19]

No one thinks they will ever get caught. The risk is always there. But there's a few things that can mitigate it.

1. The obvious one is to check the surroundings out before you go to one. Cop sitting in an adjacent parking lot? Suspicious car? Someone with a clipboard? Someone recording on their phone nearby?

2. Don't make an obvious routine. Showing up to the same place at the same time frame every week will make you stand out as a potential mark for LE that may be watching or just nosey people. I have heard of folks who have been stopped after leaving and being asked questions, but no reports around here. Refer to number 7. Also a lot of these places have cameras, I imagine they probably don't store the video feed for very long, but the more you pop by the more likely your face will come up when the inevitable happens. Remember you are also just there for legal services, there's nothing illegal about getting a massage if something ever did come of it.

3. Don't text or call these places asking about sexual services.

4. Don't go at busy times. You never know who you are meeting when waiting for your turn and it will probably be rushed anyways.

5. Don't tell anyone in your normal life unless your spouse doesn't give af and she is cool about it but that is rare.

6. Don't record unless given permission, and even then don't go posting the spas front door and the providers face on the internet for all to see.

7. The spas take on much more risk than the customers. So just keep your mouth shut if anything ever does go down.

8. If something doesn't feel right, just leave, or don't go.

9. Don't act suspicious, wearing a mask, sunglasses and a baseball cap to hide yourself while you wait at the door will just look silly, its not 2020 anymore LOL.

For whatever its worth here's my totally pointless bullshit advice LOL.

[Duffman19]

My opinion of course but it seems the boards are turning into the Penthouse Forum letters with all the dirty details and actions so everyone can see including those with no posting history. I've been here a long time, much longer than my posting number reveals, I remember when you had to be recommended by a member, if my memory serves me correctly. There was a time some of these details were left for DM, unlike RM this is a free and open platform. Which we all know LE is aware and on them, so why make it easier. I recently saw in another nearby city a lot of detailed information a single poster had mentioned some things that were not accurate about the visit, within a few days it was shut down. Could have been a coincidence, but it seems when a place becomes popular and noticeable it draws more attention. We have a good thing now, better than it's been in over 20 years from the last of the 8th ave venues. It would be great to hang on to it. I have more concern about a particular place of course as it is very visible, very close to me in proximity and my favorite. I have concern for a few reasons due to the very specific information put out on the public boards. It has become very popular, now the neighboring businesses have noticed and complained about the parking. Not to mention the guy popping in with the incognito glasses exposing the ladies. I've went a few time this month with the change of employees and they are sometimes outside in the parking lot directing traffic on where to park. I'm sure to the passersby or neighboring businesses that the unprofessionally dressed masseuses may draw even more attention for complaints.

I know sometimes the DMs get full or we are all slow to respond. I wonder if Admin would consider adding another group for senior members in general for a more open discussion of the experiences, possibly it could require an additional PIN or password to get into it to read the PH forum details or more information prior to a visit.

My rant for the day, but just having a bad feeling looking at the news reels.

I have never seen any of the news stations here report on this site, I'm sure someone has somewhere, but when one of the stores was busted last year, the detective mentioned that the spas had posted advertisements on adult websites with pictures of sexual acts and a menu of sexual acts they would preform. To add to this local businesses, schools, and angry house wives brought it to the attention of police. I'm sure LE are aware of this website, but the businesses themselves self-snitch through their ads, and they attract parking issues and whatnot for their neighbors. One thing I have noticed thus far about Nashville is that the busts generally happen when the place is closed for the night or early in the am when the MT's have their guards down, probably hours after an officer went in undercover and was offered services. I'm basing that off of news reports that are publicly available. They seem more interested in arresting the management of those places than the johns. That could always change so as with anything related to SW, go at your own risk. Also it seems as though when a spa opens outside the metro area, LE is harsher and quick to shut them down. With the violent crime and traffic incidents Nashville has bigger fish to fry than a few jack shacks, at least until complaints add up.

[Ayasaki]

My rant for the day, but just having a bad feeling looking at the news reels.

20 years versus 2 years. That's you to me. I've no attachment or memory to how things used to be and I could see myself not sticking with this 18 more years. But for now, I'm a semi nosy guy and have poked my way around things. I've actually already gone over this by sharing various timelines of when places got shut down and why. I can respect that there has been a brotherly code of stuff in the past, makes sense for back then. And you are 100% correct that something will happen again eventually. Could be next week, could be a year. However, that kind of thing just isn't helpful past a certain point. It's like saying you will die, it's basically a fact that I can state and when it happens I get to say "see I told you he would die. ".

I get the idea of what you'd like to achieve, but the reality doesn't work nearly as well. Let me point it out, let's say all senior members from this moment on never write anything public period. RM exists as you've noted. However, you are forgetting review content is paid on there, not review counts. So when seniors on here decide to go quiet, unless they go quiet on there, anyone with a bit of a brain goes to Nashville area, sees places with recent reviews, tosses a dart at their screen, goes and gets the HE anyway, and posts on here. See back when I was starting, all those places that had reviews 2 years ago were gambles or nos. Now the only thing that gets reviews are places that are guarantees. People would have to actively go and start reviewing non HE places to stop anyone from hitting the jackpot on the first visit. And then said new member comes back on here and writes their review because. Well how else will they become a senior if they never write anything? Of course, a rule could be made to say do not be explicit in regular member posts but then that would have to be applied over the entire site and I don't think the admin is trying to stop legitimate reports. But again let's pretend he is willing to make that change, all regular member posts then become "I went to X, had a nice shower, left happy" or some variant of that that is still used as a justification.

You could be referring to anything so I won't bother trying to figure out if it is something related to the recent Kentucky issues or anywhere else. Instead, I offer an actual example, MajesticDragon over in Massachusetts. Regular member active since at least November 2024. Very few posts. Read the forums around his post if you wish. He got named in the article. But literally right before his post is a guy referring to the same exact location. Red Rose was at that address. No reviews on RM because it was new and had bad luck. The senior in this case did not list amounts but hmm what officer wouldn't be suspicious about a poster who reported about sensitive nips and a tattoo under her tits?

But if you also read the article, it was a secondary victim. The investigation was started from "New Custom Body Work" which started in January 2026. And that place had a good amount of reviews with the name of Blue Sky (I'm not buying premium to determine what those reviews said). And Red Rose had the same address as Jian Kang, which did have reviews, so it was probably a thinly veiled rename. In either case, you can see how there was plenty of history available from others than just the random regular member. That article would change nothing if they were going to raid New Custom Body Work anyway.

I actually even went ahead and just now googled that site alongside arrest massage, and found articles like this that name Rubmaps directly https://www.kptv.com/2026/05/21/hidd...business-boom/ so if arrests happen because of RM and arrests happen because of here, there's no benefit to us making ourselves the inferior community.

Now let me be clear. People do know how to be quiet about a place if they wanted to. Just like how Royal Spa stayed secret until they launched ads. There was a L1 place I found during my early exploration by a member who had his post deleted, but someone quoted it and I was able to discover it myself. To this day, 2 years later, that's the only reference to it publicly. Some other members even mentioned this place to me on occasion. Still none of us reviewed on RM or here, we aren't trying to bring her more attention. I have no loyalty to her, haven't been in like a year. And you know what she isn't doing? She's not running an ad with an asian woman with topless doing cowgirl.

I've also seen other particular senior members out locations right after I went through the hassle of just hinting at it. Yes, I'm still annoyed at the first person that outed Dreams. But, it's pointless to fight against. More reviews, more activity. More activity, more complaints. More complaints, more raids. But when it is out, it's out, there's no putting the genie back in the bottle, so enjoy while it is there instead of hoping this is going to be some UTR thing for another 10 years. People focusing one main location helps the side ones be less of a target. But as long as they advertise and operate the same way, they can all go down in a single day from a single team if they were so inclined.

[Stim69]

My opinion of course but it seems the boards are turning into the Penthouse Forum letters with all the dirty details and actions so everyone can see including those with no posting history. I've been here a long time, much longer than my posting number reveals, I remember when you had to be recommended by a member, if my memory serves me correctly. There was a time some of these details were left for DM, unlike RM this is a free and open platform. Which we all know LE is aware and on them, so why make it easier. I recently saw in another nearby city a lot of detailed information a single poster had mentioned some things that were not accurate about the visit, within a few days it was shut down. Could have been a coincidence, but it seems when a place becomes popular and noticeable it draws more attention. We have a good thing now, better than it's been in over 20 years from the last of the 8th ave venues. It would be great to hang on to it. I have more concern about a particular place of course as it is very visible, very close to me in proximity and my favorite. I have concern for a few reasons due to the very specific information put out on the public boards. It has become very popular, now the neighboring businesses have noticed and complained about the parking. Not to mention the guy popping in with the incognito glasses exposing the ladies. I've went a few time this month with the change of employees and they are sometimes outside in the parking lot directing traffic on where to park. I'm sure to the passersby or neighboring businesses that the unprofessionally dressed masseuses may draw even more attention for complaints.

I know sometimes the DMs get full or we are all slow to respond. I wonder if Admin would consider adding another group for senior members in general for a more open discussion of the experiences, possibly it could require an additional PIN or password to get into it to read the PH forum details or more information prior to a visit.

My rant for the day, but just having a bad feeling looking at the news reels.

I hear what you are saying...It is easy to get carried away sometimes when posting. We've all done it and provided details over and above. I will say that being a popular place is part of the engagement with closure but the "attention" aspect and complaints. I mean let's be honest this has been a long run for this type of fun with options. I know because I remember the 8th avenue days. These posts here might not help but it isn't the sole reason. Let's look back the robberies, how many closed because of that and those deranged kids.

RS Angela and her shop and having the glass door kicked in and all broken and almost robbed. Some of this comes from bad mongers as well. They didn't get the experience they wanted so they literally complain and send LEO. I have heard stories directly. That last bust I knew one of those ladies. It is shame but someone ratted them out and could have been some dude, but who really knows but there was a complaint filed. There are just so many scenarios that can lead to closure.

I am all about keeping it real and I do a lot of communication with a few friends here in DM when there are specific details.

[TheRocketeer]

My opinion of course but it seems the boards are turning into the Penthouse Forum letters with all the dirty details and actions so everyone can see including those with no posting history. I've been here a long time, much longer than my posting number reveals, I remember when you had to be recommended by a member, if my memory serves me correctly. There was a time some of these details were left for DM, unlike RM this is a free and open platform. Which we all know LE is aware and on them, so why make it easier. I recently saw in another nearby city a lot of detailed information a single poster had mentioned some things that were not accurate about the visit, within a few days it was shut down. Could have been a coincidence, but it seems when a place becomes popular and noticeable it draws more attention. We have a good thing now, better than it's been in over 20 years from the last of the 8th ave venues. It would be great to hang on to it. I have more concern about a particular place of course as it is very visible, very close to me in proximity and my favorite. I have concern for a few reasons due to the very specific information put out on the public boards. It has become very popular, now the neighboring businesses have noticed and complained about the parking. Not to mention the guy popping in with the incognito glasses exposing the ladies. I've went a few time this month with the change of employees and they are sometimes outside in the parking lot directing traffic on where to park. I'm sure to the passersby or neighboring businesses that the unprofessionally dressed masseuses may draw even more attention for complaints.

I know sometimes the DMs get full or we are all slow to respond. I wonder if Admin would consider adding another group for senior members in general for a more open discussion of the experiences, possibly it could require an additional PIN or password to get into it to read the PH forum details or more information prior to a visit.

My rant for the day, but just having a bad feeling looking at the news reels.

I understand the sentiment, but at the same time I think people really overestimate how much being vague is a barrier for LE. In my time in the hobby, the general myths about what keeps you safe from LE has been stupefying. Providers that still ask "Are you LE?", specify "You pay for my TIME, nothing else", request photos like it's some kind of safeguard, and mongers who think trying to be vague with terms or hypotheticals will some how keep them safe.

If LE watches the board, knowing damn well what this board is for, pretty much ANY business or provider even mentioned here would make them a target no matter how descriptive you are. It doesn't if you prefer to refer to things as a "dream", or like to hide things behind 10 different acronyms, if your average monger knows what each and every thing means, so does LE and those vague descriptors don't hold up. Just the fact that someone on here reports on X place and simply says they "left happy" is enough to put an eye on it. If there's a scenario in which you do end up getting hemmed up in a sting, it will be because you were physically caught in the act and not whether or not you said your visit to X was a "dream" or not on this board. Your best bet then would just to be shut the hell up and lawyer up.

So really, if you don't want to risk getting caught, the easiest thing is to just not partake. However, if you do partake, luckily LE seems to mostly be focused on two typical avenues at the moment: underage busts, or human trafficking. Most of any news reports in the recent years about hobby busts pertain to those. I've not really seen many news articles in a while that were about an independent provider getting busted.

So really, the safest way to play at the moment is to do two things:

1) Avoid any providers that mention they're underage. Self explanatory. If you get popped here, you deserve everything coming towards ya.

2) Avoid any possible trafficking operations. This, unfortunately, means AMPs. Are all AMPs trafficking operations? Probably not. But they do have that stigma, and for that reason alone it makes them exponentially more likely to get popped. I'd say much the same thing about hotel Latinas / Asians.

[VanillaStick]

My opinion of course but it seems the boards are turning into the Penthouse Forum letters with all the dirty details and actions so everyone can see including those with no posting history. I've been here a long time, much longer than my posting number reveals, I remember when you had to be recommended by a member, if my memory serves me correctly. There was a time some of these details were left for DM, unlike RM this is a free and open platform. Which we all know LE is aware and on them, so why make it easier. I recently saw in another nearby city a lot of detailed information a single poster had mentioned some things that were not accurate about the visit, within a few days it was shut down. Could have been a coincidence, but it seems when a place becomes popular and noticeable it draws more attention. We have a good thing now, better than it's been in over 20 years from the last of the 8th ave venues. It would be great to hang on to it. I have more concern about a particular place of course as it is very visible, very close to me in proximity and my favorite. I have concern for a few reasons due to the very specific information put out on the public boards. It has become very popular, now the neighboring businesses have noticed and complained about the parking. Not to mention the guy popping in with the incognito glasses exposing the ladies. I've went a few time this month with the change of employees and they are sometimes outside in the parking lot directing traffic on where to park. I'm sure to the passersby or neighboring businesses that the unprofessionally dressed masseuses may draw even more attention for complaints.

I know sometimes the DMs get full or we are all slow to respond. I wonder if Admin would consider adding another group for senior members in general for a more open discussion of the experiences, possibly it could require an additional PIN or password to get into it to read the PH forum details or more information prior to a visit.

My rant for the day, but just having a bad feeling looking at the news reels.

[Ayasaki]

Watching another area have the usual growing pains suspicion versus the new group they have, but instead of stepping in where I don't belong (this time haha) I'm kinda inspired by the one guy who created their thread actually going to bat with the new group. He's put up screenshots of his own adventures and unlike the guy in Las Vegas that I thought was really getting girl photos (that ended up being a shill, although honestly even from a shill, I would have loved to seen in room photos of more of them), this guy is pulling from the videos he made.

Video is always very expensive so I did it very few but since that particular group got shut down and this guy is posting current girls without face, I figured I'd drop my old long gone SSG girls anyway. Bummer that the Miyake girl didn't come through here but it is what it is, I suspect I wouldn't have gone for a video for her myself. I know exactly why I picked Mei for a video (first ever girl, I didn't think it would last so get one), and Riku (I felt things were slow and she was a JAV girl after a long time so I thought she'd be a good candidate). But I just can't recall why Yuria was picked for video, it was definitely something in the vibe but maybe it was because hers was cheaper LOL, either way I'm glad I had picked her, just hate I didn't get the creampie for her.

[Thatguybored7]

Looking for the best tease, around south Nashville.

[RickForFun1]

I got a DM in Eccie from some user based in MS telling me that they can't discuss WTF they have to say on the site & then gave a proton email address for whatever I may be interested in.

Did anyone else get something similar. I only use that site when travelling so I'm suspicious. Stay safe!

I know him and got the email and do not believe it is a scam. He is known here and on eccie. I can understand him not wanting to put it out here to protect his privacy. I replyed to the message and have decided if I am going to move forward with it or not. It is interesting.

[BoSox50]

I got a DM in Eccie from some user based in MS telling me that they can't discuss WTF they have to say on the site & then gave a proton email address for whatever I may be interested in.

Did anyone else get something similar. I only use that site when travelling so I'm suspicious. Stay safe!

I did not. Does the sender have a profile with any post / history on Eccie?

[Holden McGroin]

I got a DM in Eccie from some user based in MS telling me that they can't discuss WTF they have to say on the site & then gave a proton email address for whatever I may be interested in.

Did anyone else get something similar. I only use that site when travelling so I'm suspicious. Stay safe!

[Ayasaki]

I'm just curious how many people here are currently a paying member on Rubmap? I've been using it since it was free, since around 2011. The price has gotten ridiculous I was a paying member until a few years ago at which time it was $19.99/ mo. I dropped off for a while, trying to escape the hobby and noticed when I couldn't hide and it's gone up to $50/ mo is ridiculous. I've got several reviews on there. They gave up my username when I tried to return with a free account so they did at least let me get most back under a new account but some are missing. One would think being a supporter for almost their entire existence they would give a price break. There's certainly no breaks in this drug of choice.

I only paid for it once (so far) when I had a random gift card from someone in my much smaller time here in 2024. Other than that, I would occasionally pick up a free month from submitting a photo, but that rarely happens nowadays because someone always seems to upload a photo on day 1 as soon as I'm aware of a place. I don't mind though, since I don't travel, that site has no real purpose for me. Every AMP here, the community here more or less knows them all and location info on RM is free. The only thing I'd get are reading comments which I find enough of here.

But as long as you find value in their service, it's still an alright price I suppose.

[VanillaStick]

I'm just curious how many people here are currently a paying member on Rubmap? I've been using it since it was free, since around 2011. The price has gotten ridiculous I was a paying member until a few years ago at which time it was $19.99/ mo. I dropped off for a while, trying to escape the hobby and noticed when I couldn't hide and it's gone up to $50/ mo is ridiculous. I've got several reviews on there. They gave up my username when I tried to return with a free account so they did at least let me get most back under a new account but some are missing. One would think being a supporter for almost their entire existence they would give a price break. There's certainly no breaks in this drug of choice.

[Ayasaki]

Bad timing on my reply in the agency thread since as it turns out another thing would pop up to test my reply. Instead of then polluting both the agency and massage parlor thread, I shall just make this a rant. First, context.

https://level88spa.com/

Check this out, I saw one of these girls at pure Bliss. Now level 88 looks just like Sakura. What does it all mean!? LOL.

It could mean anything it could mean nothing. But I would say as a technicality, that one is also an agency at first glance. But let's toss some history here, which is ironic since I'm the least experienced person here but I have spent a decent portion of time stalking other cities threads in my past pursuit of Jgirl knowledge. Notably working with New York and Virgnia as they all came up with their own variants of tracking girls in their areas, because they had a LOT more girls coming through. I kept what I do mostly quiet since it isn't transferable, but PokerBrah worked on "pussydb" to track girls appearances through a web interface. You may discuss with him should you wish to access it. Although do keep in mind, it is more focused towards Japanese girls than Korean or Chinese.

But why mention all that? Because the format that SakuraSpa88 uses is shared by more than 50 different sites. You'd do just as good just checking out the Rentry entry and just scrolling through places, you'll notice patterns. Faster than reading what I am writing. But for the sake of making it easy, let's pull some examples.

The SakuraSpa88 style: shared by New York Smiling Eyes https://nycsmilingeyes.com/ and Chicago's Blue Phoenix https://www.bluephoenixchi.com/ See that little "Technical Support: 37spa.com" they all share at the bottom? Well they are also all on 38spa.com but I'll avoid addressing that.

The SunShineGirls11 style: this one is far less common (and our site is dead anyway) but it was shared by Virginia's Moon Girl's Show https://www.moongirlsshow.com/ and LuckyClub123 https://www.luckyclub123.com/.

The QuietUnfold style: tbh I did not bother to include these in my project (and still won't) but our friends over in Ohio use it with their group Asiamor https://hedonichaven.com/.

The Nashville Adult Club (NAEC? I'm unsure why that link was censored when posted by someone else but I won't tempt fate in case it is a banned site. Regardless, you can find the link from visiting the TER he shared. And with that, you can see the format matches the old Asiamor https://asiamor.com/ and note that Asiamor has Pleasure-Palace at the top? Well they probably copied that format from New York https://www.pleasure-palace.club/diva.

But wait, we know Quiet unfold was T Spa, but T Spa has been the shining star of the massage parlor thread. Are they an agency because they have a website, or are they a massage parlor because they have a house fee? See I can look up all these sites, but I can't know what their locals consider a difference.

Like Asiamor is in the "K-Girls of Columbus" thread, despite there being no Kgirls of any kind, they share space with Asian-Hollywood (their SakuraSpa88 style site).

New York does a BBFS Manhattan thread that covers all groups and nobody cares if it is an AMP or not as long as there is BBFS. But girls who are GFE only are still posted there too because they are on the aforementioned agency websites. And they also have a separate Korean thread, that has had no one post in it in almost a month..

Chicago has an Asian Apartment Girls thread where users have already argued about Blue Phoenix not honoring appointments, saying you can just show up. Does that make Blue Phoenix not an agency or does it? The thread already compensates for that since it is simply called Asian Apartment Girls. But they also have a specific "Korean Palace" thread.

Ironically, our old "Thankful for Cora" friend separating his agency out is what may have to be the move going forward. I thought it was dumb to let the promoter have their own spot when we don't have enough reviews to make that sensible and people were just going to post it in both threads, but if we are going to have these groups coming in and making sites for their businesses, we are going to have to go beyond the definition "A company that manages calls, bookings, and advertising for a group of providers. ".

So is Level 88 an agency because they have a flat fee? Are they not one because anyone could walk up for a session? I'm not trying to be like some who challenged the existence of SSG because to me it was rather obvious it fit the agency mark. But these new sites are kinda muddying the difference.

Perhaps it is just simpler to say if they have a massage table, then massage parlor, else, if they have a website that is regularly updated, then it is valid choice for agency thread.

I don't see any other way to put it without trying to bias it towards what already exists. And while I won't be going to this new group, unless I get a heads up from someone that some Jgirl or a Cgirl I was looking forward to is on there, I won't deny them the agency classification if someone actually goes and reports on their setup. But their site intro mentions massage so I would assume massage table.

I do believe these problems will actually solve themselves fairly quickly. Recall Queens Escorts which never picked up any traction whatsoever. The definition won't cause problems if nobody actually goes and makes people care about them.