Rants and Raves plus Stupid Shit

[Will Johnson]

I was a late bloomer. Didn't lose my virginity (really) until my early 20's. My buddies even bought me three different walkers while on road trips- which I was usually too drunk to get it up. A point in my life, I stopped giving a crap and would just start conversations while ensuring I wasn't coming right out and hitting on them, and then I'd walk away. I started making it a game, a challenge AND having fun while I did it- up-beat, confident, not giving a shit- the BANG- I was getting laid! They key is don't give a shit and have fun with it! My brother is two years older than me (65) and he's still gawking at them all, falling in love at first site, tripping over himself- I swear he is still a virgin.

Everything you say makes absolute sense to me (other than I have no idea about your brother's continuing virginity).

[Bagboy87]

These are two separate issues. Me wanting a girlfriend and me wanting a reliable regular. I've already accepted I'll never have a girlfriend and at least I've had this hobby to cope. But now I'm struggling where I am trying to find a new reliable regular. You noticed I disappeared for a while, that's because I had reliable regulars. When I find myself in limbo, I come back.

The other issue I'm having is finding a reliable regular who engages in BBFS / cip. Since nobody will help me, I guess as usual I'll have to do it on my own and take my chances. I'll hit up every girl on STG knowing I risk getting robbed or caught in police sting (all could be avoided if someone pointed out which providers are good). And in my mental state, if I get robbed, it won't be good. I might try to fight back or refuse to leave forcing the provider to call LEO.

Also on a different note, my former UTR Tara (the one who had me give her ride to drug rehab promising dates there then screwed me over) - she had let me take a nude video of her. To get revenge I shared her nude video with her friends and family and was considering posting it on pornhub. Could I get in trouble for that?

[GoneFishing]

I was a late bloomer. Didn't lose my virginity (really) until my early 20's. My buddies even bought me three different walkers while on road trips- which I was usually too drunk to get it up. A point in my life, I stopped giving a crap and would just start conversations while ensuring I wasn't coming right out and hitting on them, and then I'd walk away. I started making it a game, a challenge AND having fun while I did it- up-beat, confident, not giving a shit- the BANG- I was getting laid! They key is don't give a shit and have fun with it! My brother is two years older than me (65) and he's still gawking at them all, falling in love at first site, tripping over himself- I swear he is still a virgin.

[Will Johnson]

Don't get me going on dating apps. They fail and cause more stress and feelings of hopelessness. The ratio of girls to guys is imbalanced and you get no responses. Message 200 girls and your lucky it you get one response. I did an experiment once and made a fake dating profile posing an attractive female and right away I had 20 guys hitting on me. This confirmed my theory as the gender ratio is imbalanced with too much competition from other guys and females being overwhelmed by their messages. Then in turn guys get no responses from girls leading to further anger and hopelessness. Dating apps are incel factories in my opinion.

I was doing well until my fallout with Jackie after her boyfriend threatened me.

Not just Jackie I had another utr named Tara who also did me dirty. She had ended up in the hospital at Albany Med and was letting me do dates with her in her hospice room using take out food as payment. Like many others Tara played me by telling me she wanted to be my girlfriend. She even presented me as her boyfriend visiting to her nurses and doctors. After being discharged, she Dickey's me into giving her a ride to drug rehab center in Vermont under the false promise that she will see me for dates at her rehab center (like we were at Albany Med). Of course I should have known better that dates are not possible in drug rehab. But I fell for it and as soon as I drop her at rehab, her phone goes off and she's gone. I didn't even make back to New York before o cried having to call mental crisis and spent next few weeks in emotional wreck over this.

Now I'm in limbo and to move fwd, I want a new regular provide to replace Jackie and Tara and thus asking for help.

I see your point, and yes, rehab is usually in a "lock-down" setting. Right or wrong, they seem to feel it's more effective that way. And I get what you're saying about dating apps, but are you sure that it's not the posting that you make that might be off-putting? Have you tried different profiles with differing emphases, to see how they perform? And of course, past online sites, have you tried any more interactive, interpersonal approaches, finding avenues for social interaction with people in traditional settings, outside activities, non-work-related pursuits, etc. ?

[Bagboy87]

I know this does not help, but when someone goes into a rehab, they cannot use their own cell phone - 'her phone goes off'. The best they can do, is sign up on a scheduled call list to use a monitored phone.

I know this now but at the time I did not. Tara was well aware of this and maliciously lied to me. She's someone who's a pathological liar and has done similar stuff in the past. Oh and the story doesn't end there, after she got out of rehab she lied saying she conjugal visits used to be allowed, but they changed the rules and she did not know. All a bunch of crap lies.

Other mongers in the past have claimed I've ruined providers lives. Well they failed to take in mind stuff like this is what causes me to go off and do so. I don't just attack providers for no reason, each one of them did something to cause it (like long time ago Violet suckered me into sending her $300 for airfare under a false promise to visit me) and now this.

[TonyTF]

Don't get me going on dating apps. They fail and cause more stress and feelings of hopelessness. The ratio of girls to guys is imbalanced and you get no responses. Message 200 girls and your lucky it you get one response. I did an experiment once and made a fake dating profile posing an attractive female and right away I had 20 guys hitting on me. This confirmed my theory as the gender ratio is imbalanced with too much competition from other guys and females being overwhelmed by their messages. Then in turn guys get no responses from girls leading to further anger and hopelessness. Dating apps are incel factories in my opinion.

I was doing well until my fallout with Jackie after her boyfriend threatened me.

Not just Jackie I had another utr named Tara who also did me dirty. She had ended up in the hospital at Albany Med and was letting me do dates with her in her hospice room using take out food as payment. Like many others Tara played me by telling me she wanted to be my girlfriend. She even presented me as her boyfriend visiting to her nurses and doctors. After being discharged, she Dickey's me into giving her a ride to drug rehab center in Vermont under the false promise that she will see me for dates at her rehab center (like we were at Albany Med). Of course I should have known better that dates are not possible in drug rehab. But I fell for it and as soon as I drop her at rehab, her phone goes off and she's gone. I didn't even make back to New York before o cried having to call mental crisis and spent next few weeks in emotional wreck over this.

Now I'm in limbo and to move fwd, I want a new regular provide to replace Jackie and Tara and thus asking for help.

I know this does not help, but when someone goes into a rehab, they cannot use their own cell phone - 'her phone goes off'. The best they can do, is sign up on a scheduled call list to use a monitored phone.

[Bagboy87]

I understand, but what attempts have you tried at finding a regular girlfriend? Have you tried dating apps or any of the other sites? I get your joke about finding out about providers the "hard way. ".

Don't get me going on dating apps. They fail and cause more stress and feelings of hopelessness. The ratio of girls to guys is imbalanced and you get no responses. Message 200 girls and your lucky it you get one response. I did an experiment once and made a fake dating profile posing an attractive female and right away I had 20 guys hitting on me. This confirmed my theory as the gender ratio is imbalanced with too much competition from other guys and females being overwhelmed by their messages. Then in turn guys get no responses from girls leading to further anger and hopelessness. Dating apps are incel factories in my opinion.

I was doing well until my fallout with Jackie after her boyfriend threatened me.

Not just Jackie I had another utr named Tara who also did me dirty. She had ended up in the hospital at Albany Med and was letting me do dates with her in her hospice room using take out food as payment. Like many others Tara played me by telling me she wanted to be my girlfriend. She even presented me as her boyfriend visiting to her nurses and doctors. After being discharged, she Dickey's me into giving her a ride to drug rehab center in Vermont under the false promise that she will see me for dates at her rehab center (like we were at Albany Med). Of course I should have known better that dates are not possible in drug rehab. But I fell for it and as soon as I drop her at rehab, her phone goes off and she's gone. I didn't even make back to New York before o cried having to call mental crisis and spent next few weeks in emotional wreck over this.

Now I'm in limbo and to move fwd, I want a new regular provide to replace Jackie and Tara and thus asking for help.

[Will Johnson]

Believe me I've tried all that. Bottom line is I want a girlfriend and can't just go out and buy a girlfriend. It's like buying a new car. I know better. So I use this hobby as a cope. In the past I used to fall in love with providers but now I know better after finding out on my own the hard way. Now I'm just seeking a reliable regular but it's gotten so bad mostly because the girls overcharge and the selection is so bad (like skipthegames is a joke now).

You might be new to this forum, but I go by bugleboy and I go back a number of years with the same ongoing issue at now (many members know my antics). But now I only come here to ask for advice on which new providers are good.

I understand, but what attempts have you tried at finding a regular girlfriend? Have you tried dating apps or any of the other sites? I get your joke about finding out about providers the "hard way. ".

[Bagboy87]

Have you considered seeking professional counseling to better deal with your "anger issues?

Believe me I've tried all that. Bottom line is I want a girlfriend and can't just go out and buy a girlfriend. It's like buying a new car. I know better. So I use this hobby as a cope. In the past I used to fall in love with providers but now I know better after finding out on my own the hard way. Now I'm just seeking a reliable regular but it's gotten so bad mostly because the girls overcharge and the selection is so bad (like skipthegames is a joke now).

You might be new to this forum, but I go by bugleboy and I go back a number of years with the same ongoing issue at now (many members know my antics). But now I only come here to ask for advice on which new providers are good.

[Will Johnson]

Bottom line is I feel entitled to sex and I react very angrily when rejected or called out. Right now having more anger issues with that coworker at my job whose wedding card I refused to sign out of anger and jealousy at not having a girlfriend. She took a supervisory position in my office and is pregnant now. Fueled my anger and now I'm seeing providers more often strictly out of anger to cope, not because I'm horny.

Everything I read online about males with my disability aspergers are they are single and accept being virgins. I refuse to do so, so I feel engaging in this hobby is my way of rebelling against my situation. I don't understand why all these Aspergers male virgins don't just go to prostitutes like me. Easy solution that I think all celibate males should do.

Have you considered seeking professional counseling to better deal with your "anger issues?

[Bagboy87]

Bottom line is I feel entitled to sex and I react very angrily when rejected or called out. Right now having more anger issues with that coworker at my job whose wedding card I refused to sign out of anger and jealousy at not having a girlfriend. She took a supervisory position in my office and is pregnant now. Fueled my anger and now I'm seeing providers more often strictly out of anger to cope, not because I'm horny.

Everything I read online about males with my disability aspergers are they are single and accept being virgins. I refuse to do so, so I feel engaging in this hobby is my way of rebelling against my situation. I don't understand why all these Aspergers male virgins don't just go to prostitutes like me. Easy solution that I think all celibate males should do.

[Bagboy87]

Social media rewards people who pursue attention (good or bad). Much of the current dynamic online is essentially made up of people looking to collect scalps. People who post toxic shit on Facebook do so to make up for the fact they're deficient at doing anything worthwhile anywhere else. Raking people over the coals is the only way they get their dopamine fix.

Sex is a complicated subject. Closely tethered to our cumulative experiences up until that point. I will say mongering satisfies both the physical part of needing sex, and in ways satisfies the need for a man to feel wanted. I've had working women who ended up being "more than just business", so it can go both ways because I've fulfilled their needs beyond just money.

Marriage or long term relationships are a lot of work and a lot of pain (still with some perks). I will say a little bit of both is probably the best balance. Biologically, I have a hard time believing men are wired to have sex with just one woman the rest of their life (or more likely, have no sex after marriage until they die) and most of history shows some degree of polygamy as the norm. Even for the rare case of an entirely "loyal" man, it's even rarer that they don't partake in pornography or the desire to cheat.

But if I HAD to pick one or the other, mongering wins IMO. A man can keep himself pretty busy and pretty happy between work, hobbies with friends and fucking random women a couple times a week.

The problem is people's mindsets. If they see a post on facebook they are offended by, they say stuff like "how about we print this out and send this to the person's employer" - in turn not realizing or caring that reporting something petit on facebook could result in drastic consequences affecting the person's life (I. E. The person ends up getting fired from their job over the facebook post).

To make matters worse in my case, the HR woman aggressively interrogated me over the facebook posts (I think she was personally biased and sided with the women complaining) causing me to lose my cool and give her the middle finger and tell her to go fuck herself. As a result, I got suspended from work for 3 months without pay. Not for the facebook posts but my profanity I used at HR, when she provoked me. Not to mention the bad rap it gave me. HR now knows I engage in this hobby.

I mean mongering has it advantages as you mentioned, but also its disadvantages like breaking the bank (especially with the going rates on many of these providers who aren't even worth half the price), the legal risks of getting caught in a police sting or potential violence like when being robbed / beaten up by a providers boyfriend, handler or pimp. But the dating scene being so bad, what are your options. Benefits outweigh the costs, so its worth the risks.

[TheDeliveringMonger]

I mean this hobby satisfies the sexual part of a relationship, but it doesn't satisfy the intimacy part of a relationship which is why I get sad and angry seeing couples holding hands and incel like thoughts. Also women have gotten so mean especially online, it seems like they enjoy rejecting men and label them as creeps etc. I had a bunch of bitchy women from an area moms group on Facebook contact my job all over posts they found offensive and sexist. In turn I got called into HR and it caused a whole bunch of problems (I had my employer listed on my facebook page, which is how they knew and HR claiming I'm representing the agency hence them pursuing action. Afterwards I removed my employer from my facebook page and strongly recommend nobody lists their employer on their social media page). One woman from that group called me a creep and I got into fight with her and told her how I pursue this hobby to get back at mean bitches like her to get pussy by just paying for it. She screenshot my messages and sent them to my job which was also included in the HR meeting.

After dealing with all that, I definitely see why so many young men turn to the incel community.

You get rejected so many times or treated awfully, that you can't help lash out at the women rejecting you to regain some sort of power. No wonder why we have the whole incel community on the rise, all these angry young men who face constant rejection with no hope.

This hobby is the only saving recourse.

Social media rewards people who pursue attention (good or bad). Much of the current dynamic online is essentially made up of people looking to collect scalps. People who post toxic shit on Facebook do so to make up for the fact they're deficient at doing anything worthwhile anywhere else. Raking people over the coals is the only way they get their dopamine fix.

Sex is a complicated subject. Closely tethered to our cumulative experiences up until that point. I will say mongering satisfies both the physical part of needing sex, and in ways satisfies the need for a man to feel wanted. I've had working women who ended up being "more than just business", so it can go both ways because I've fulfilled their needs beyond just money.

Marriage or long term relationships are a lot of work and a lot of pain (still with some perks). I will say a little bit of both is probably the best balance. Biologically, I have a hard time believing men are wired to have sex with just one woman the rest of their life (or more likely, have no sex after marriage until they die) and most of history shows some degree of polygamy as the norm. Even for the rare case of an entirely "loyal" man, it's even rarer that they don't partake in pornography or the desire to cheat.

But if I HAD to pick one or the other, mongering wins IMO. A man can keep himself pretty busy and pretty happy between work, hobbies with friends and fucking random women a couple times a week.

[Bagboy87]

Mongering and Hobbying is WAY better than getting married. Way less drama and bullshit to deal with. (I am married and it's not worth it).

I mean this hobby satisfies the sexual part of a relationship, but it doesn't satisfy the intimacy part of a relationship which is why I get sad and angry seeing couples holding hands and incel like thoughts. Also women have gotten so mean especially online, it seems like they enjoy rejecting men and label them as creeps etc. I had a bunch of bitchy women from an area moms group on Facebook contact my job all over posts they found offensive and sexist. In turn I got called into HR and it caused a whole bunch of problems (I had my employer listed on my facebook page, which is how they knew and HR claiming I'm representing the agency hence them pursuing action. Afterwards I removed my employer from my facebook page and strongly recommend nobody lists their employer on their social media page). One woman from that group called me a creep and I got into fight with her and told her how I pursue this hobby to get back at mean bitches like her to get pussy by just paying for it. She screenshot my messages and sent them to my job which was also included in the HR meeting.

After dealing with all that, I definitely see why so many young men turn to the incel community.

You get rejected so many times or treated awfully, that you can't help lash out at the women rejecting you to regain some sort of power. No wonder why we have the whole incel community on the rise, all these angry young men who face constant rejection with no hope.

This hobby is the only saving recourse.

[Gandhagu]

Its 2026 and I still partake in this hobby, going on 8 years strong. Despite everything, one reason I continue is as a cope to my situation. I still get angry seeing happy young couples holding hands, angry at not having a girlfriend and develop incel like thoughts.

At work back in the fall. This one female coworker younger than me (about 32) was getting married and there was a congratulations card going around. Everyone signed it but me. I refused out of anger and jealousy of a happy couple. Me being denied that. Of course I kept that to myself and just didn't tell anyone. But see prime example there.

Anyhow whenever I see a provider, I feel a sense of power inside. It's almost like rebelling against my situation and the women who reject me by getting pussy and mongering. Only thing that keeps from being a full-on hateful incel.

Mongering and Hobbying is WAY better than getting married. Way less drama and bullshit to deal with. (I am married and it's not worth it).