Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[Units12]

Saw her once, really enjoyed. I don't usually do this but she barebacked me and I mentioned it in this thread. She went fuckin' bananas! She said she doesn't offer that but I made a special request (I didn't) and she was mad that I posted her rate. THEN she searched out my posts and called me all kinds of shit because I periodically hit the SW spots (sometimes you want Ruth's Chris, sometimes McDonalds will do) and told me she'd never see anyone again who associates with such disgusting people blah blah blah.

She was fun and freaky, not very attractive but decent body.

Definitely did bareback with everyone.

[Joker Always]

When a lady tells you she will do anything for $200 tell her to give you $250.

[AlphaTek1]

I met her one time, and it was cool, but after that not so much.

I reached out a couple times, and she would respond with one of her rambling bitchy texts about other mongers. She then told me that she was researching someone she was angry with. She said she was very good at sniffing out our identities, and she was going to use it against him. I never reached out to her again.

I also never reported this until now, because I knew she read the forurms.

Saw her once, really enjoyed. I don't usually do this but she barebacked me and I mentioned it in this thread. She went fuckin' bananas! She said she doesn't offer that but I made a special request (I didn't) and she was mad that I posted her rate. THEN she searched out my posts and called me all kinds of shit because I periodically hit the SW spots (sometimes you want Ruth's Chris, sometimes McDonalds will do) and told me she'd never see anyone again who associates with such disgusting people blah blah blah.

[WyldeChild99]

Was looking through old texts on my burner and came across my conversations with Bonita. I got locked out of the forums around the time she disappeared and was about to jump into the "whatever happened to" section to see if she was still around and I saw this. Really sad. I just thought she was a drunk and had some mental issues. She wasn't very attractive, but man she was fun. I saw her once and she was an absolute freak. I remember her behavior on the forums and weird text exchanges being enough for me to drag my feet on seeing her again, though I hadn't totally written her off. Via text she had eluded to legal issues but didn't tell me what happened, just that she'd be going away for a while. I just assumed it was more psycho babble. I stopped responding after that and figured I'd wait for things to blow over.

Given the current drought I was considering hitting her up again and dealing with the craziness but sad to see she wasn't lying when she said she was going to jail, and even more sad to discover someone died.

I met her one time, and it was cool, but after that not so much.

I reached out a couple times, and she would respond with one of her rambling bitchy texts about other mongers. She then told me that she was researching someone she was angry with. She said she was very good at sniffing out our identities, and she was going to use it against him. I never reached out to her again.

I also never reported this until now, because I knew she read the forurms.

[Vinnie Kramer]

At this point, if you're dumb enough to send a deposit and you get ghosted, I don't think it's a rip-off.

You've received exactly what you paid for: a very expensive lesson.

FFS, I don't know how some people survive life.

[MarblesKyle]

When she came to my house, I took 1 look at her drugged appearance and handed her the donation and asked her to drive back safe.

I was curious about her history with the recent posts and ended up seeing the trails of arrest and drug use related charges.

A mother, I personally know, hit a teenager fatally in Lakota. All she did was look back for a few seconds to fix the pacifier on her baby. She got sentenced for two years in the prison.

Someone with chronic drug abuse issues, getting behind the wheel of a car. I don't see any leniency coming out of it.

I would suggest that no one waste their money on this as a significant sentence looks like an impending probability.

Was looking through old texts on my burner and came across my conversations with Bonita. I got locked out of the forums around the time she disappeared and was about to jump into the "whatever happened to" section to see if she was still around and I saw this. Really sad. I just thought she was a drunk and had some mental issues. She wasn't very attractive, but man she was fun. I saw her once and she was an absolute freak. I remember her behavior on the forums and weird text exchanges being enough for me to drag my feet on seeing her again, though I hadn't totally written her off. Via text she had eluded to legal issues but didn't tell me what happened, just that she'd be going away for a while. I just assumed it was more psycho babble. I stopped responding after that and figured I'd wait for things to blow over.

Given the current drought I was considering hitting her up again and dealing with the craziness but sad to see she wasn't lying when she said she was going to jail, and even more sad to discover someone died.

[BamBam]

This is so true. I have hobby profiles on several sites including IG. I am constantly being peppered with follow requests from women with zero posts but a link to OF profiles. When I check my profile on OF, my inbox is overflowing with women offering free access for a month or so. I now call them "tar baby" accounts. If you take the free access, they never go away. They try to get engagement on an almost daily basis. It looks like the site is offering automated (bot) messaging. Their business model was blend of pornhub and Chaturbate. Sadly for them, it's hard to complete with free.

BAM.

Meanwhile, the in-person escort market is filled with women who never believed that people would pay them money for their photos. But they're the ones who are showing up, so they're making more money than the hot girls with OF accounts.

That's the real story behind OF as a factor in the escort market, IMHO.

[Todd Cincy]

Also, we now have OnlyFans in the mix. Hot chicks can make money there without ever having to hook up with a monger.

I saw a few comments below about the impact of OF and other online options, which I think very few of us are interested in. I can't remember the last time I spent money on porn, and I rarely look at the various hub sites.

OF got a lot of attention after the pandemic. And yes, I think it's been a factor, but not in the way you might think.

Firstly, OF really isn't a new idea. For as long as I can remember, the default mode (especially for hot women) is to try to get your money by offering various forms of visual teasing and pseudo-sex. Look, but don't touch.

I remember reading an article about Camwhores in Yahoo Magazine circa 1999. Camshows have been around since the beginning of the internet.

Around the same time, there were several locally famous girls here in Cincinnati selling content from their own websites.

Strip bars are definitely on the decline, but they used to be a big thing. During the 1990's and 2000's, I remember hearing about women making four figures in one night at strip bars. There was a Deja Vu on the east side of Cincinnati, and there were always guys going into the VIP room, hoping in vain that something would happen.

Also in the 1990's and 2000's, there were agencies like Best Shows, that would send strippers to your house. Sex was implied, and once in a while, you could find one who would do extras. But they usually wanted to do nothing but strip for you. (I had better luck with several of the girls from Cincy Seductions, but that's another story for another day.).

What makes OF unusual is that it is a very hyped, and frictionless way for many women to do this. There are legitimately some women who make good money on OF. But there were strippers who made good money back in the 1990's, too. As one stripper confided in me years ago, "It's actually kind of hard to make a lot of money just prancing around naked, without letting anyone touch you. ".

I recently read an article stating that most OF creators are making under $200 per month. The platform is highly saturated now, and they have to compete with women in Eastern Europe and Latin America.

From an economic perspective, supply always ends up exceeding demand where various forms of "look only" offerings are involved.

On the other hand, most youngish, attractive women could print money if they would only give escorting or sugaring a try. It would make the typical OF paycheck look like chump change.

There is a real problem, though, that many potential escorts (particularly among the under 30 crowd) are still convinced that their OF is going to explode any day now. After all, all those girls on TikTok are saying that OF is easy money! What's wrong?

Meanwhile, the in-person escort market is filled with women who never believed that people would pay them money for their photos. But they're the ones who are showing up, so they're making more money than the hot girls with OF accounts.

That's the real story behind OF as a factor in the escort market, IMHO.

[MarblesKyle]

Yes I have no hard numbers but I would venture to say that the members here are the minority of the mongers. I might go as far as saying me. Bers and non-members that just read the reports are the minority.

I realize that, and that's why the title to my post mentioned "respected" mongers. I meant the people who use this site. There are hundreds of lurkers here, but I don't think the average lurker is seeing anyone without a review. Most of us have too much to lose. At the same time, many of us are "better" clients and it would benefit any of these providers to try to have a clientele base made up of mostly USASG posters and lurkers. Sure we complain about prices (except the ballers with bottomless funds) but we are also generally careful and respectful. There's weirdos and jerks everywhere but if you are a regular reader of the boards you are aware of the decorum and know how to operate in the industry. The only reason I think a provider wouldn't be interested in using the boards is either:

A.) Unaware of the site (severely unlikely).

Or.

B.) Misrepresenting themselves and / or providing bad service that will lead to bad reviews.

Or.

C.) Aware of the site, got burned by some bad reviews from assholes and started asking everyone you see to not post reviews. There's a couple regular advertisers who fall into this category and some who are now "retired" - but you can at least find something on them. Even if it's a review that says "I saw her, she asked me not to review so I'll leave it at that. ".

When you have no reviews I assume you fall into one of these categories and I usually avoid. I will consider reaching out to someone who falls into category C, but usually in the past they expect a P411 or something like that which I've never utilized. I know there's instances of mongers writing bad reviews to get back at a provider for some reason (I think those are exaggerated, but it happens), and some guys are nit picky, etc. Either way, the cream rises to the top. If you are good at this job your good reviews will dwarf your bad ones and lead to generally favorable opinions. Especially now, CHRIST the bar is so low. You are also free to come on here to refute a bad review. Let's not ignore that sometimes girls have bad days and do a bad job. When that happens in any other industry the company or employee that messed up gets blasted on yelp, google, etc. Pussy ain't immune to accountability IMHO, especially with the costs of services these days.

I maintain that the majority of quality providers are utilizing these forums in some way (mostly just lurking, there's not a lot of posters any more.) If you want to be a hustler and make more money than supporting your dope habit and lodging, I think it's essential. Especially if you are trying to build a clientele base of regulars. Who doesn't want that? Does anyone think they'd rather deal with unvetted randos all the time? No way.

Shame these Tryst ladies aren't padding the 401 k. Seeing just enough guys to pay rent when you live in a dump and charge 500+ a pop is not good for the market.

[Joker Always]

Yes I have no hard numbers but I would venture to say that the members here are the minority of the mongers. I might go as far as saying me. Bers and non-members that just read the reports are the minority.

There are many guys out there doing this without doing any homework. Yes I was there many years ago until a provider told me about this site because she was worried about me getting arrested.

Then there are members that do not post reports and some are reluctant on posting reports on good service because they do not want the lady to get too busy.

If a lady charges 300 for an hour of entertaining she only has to get about 3 appointments a week to make her rent and have money left over. The some of these ladies have side hustles.

Yes it is possible that they can get enough customers.

Good analysis as usual from Todd.

I think about the quoted text above a lot. Just strictly approaching this from a common sense deduction standpoint, I don't think the 600 club on Tryst is getting a lot of business. There would be WAY more reviews on here. Many of them have no reviews. While I don't search for all of them, I do look into random ones or ones that pique my interest. Almost never can I find a review. At best, I will find a post of someone asking if anyone has seen them or maybe a post reviewing them in another city, usually where they are based. I've noticed that as well over the years on Tryst. Some of them are based in a city 2-5 hours away but they indicate they are also available in Cincinnati or are planning on traveling to Cincinnati soon. My theory is that some of them ask for 500 or more, plus deposits and possibly other fees. If they can get a monger to agree to that in a town 1. 5 hours away, they will make the drive for it. Which tells me their service is probably worth half what they are charging (or less) but they are inflating their price to justify the travel time, hotel booking and risk. It's not a horrible way to operate from a business standpoint but it leads to scarcity for the consumer. They are taking limited risks and maximizing what they make, as long as they can survive on seeing one monger a week or whatever they end up doing, they have no reason to drop their price or lower their demands. Jacking up prices limits the tire kickers and weirdos too.

I realize there's many mongers on here seeing the high honorarium traveling girls, but the regular posters on tryst asking for top dollar can't possibly be getting that much traffic.

[UOnlyLiveOnce]

I pretty much agree with this. Also, we now have OnlyFans in the mix. Hot chicks can make money there without ever having to hook up with a monger.

I'm glad to see Marbles back.

As Bill Clinton used to say (see, I *am* a veteran), "I feel your pain. ".

I haven't posted in a while, because I know there's nothing to be gained from me endlessly saying things like, "But that one's too old, fat, overpriced, etc. ".

As for price. I don't expect to be paying 2009 prices. Four hundred is probably a reasonable base price now for quality women.

The problem for me, rather, is that I'm drawn to almost none of the options currently on the market, at any price. A decade ago, I had to watch my budget because there were so many women I wanted to see.

I've dabbled with the hobby since 1992. The hobby, like everything else, is subject to boom and bust cycles, often protracted ones. Between 1998 and 2006, choices were very limited. The Golden Age lasted from 2008 through early 2019.

Here's my analysis of our current state:

In 2012 we had:

-8 percent unemployment.

-A comparatively liberal political environment, both in the US and in Ohio.

-A laissez-faire legal environment toward the internet.

-Lots of young women (a "youth bubble".

-Sex work (especially sugar baby dating) getting positive media coverage.

That all led to a good hobby market, in other words, a good market for hobbyists.

In 2026 we have:

-4. 3 percent unemployment.

-A right-leaning political environment.

-Lots of internet regulation (SESTA / FOSTA).

-Fewer young women. (Though we only need a few!

-All sex work being portrayed as "trafficking" in the news.

That makes for a bad market for us. The hot women are the last to enter the hobby, and the first to leave. (Remember, I've been watching this since 1992.) That leaves the overweight, the old, the scamming, and the substance-abusing.

Todd's First Law of Economics and the Hobby: 5 percent unemployment is the threshold where a significant number of new, attractive women enter the hobby. They just don't have an incentive to do it when the job market is hot.

On the positive side, the labor market seems to be loosening. I also predict that the national mood and the political environment are about to swing left again. That will create better conditions for the hobby.

Until then, my advice is to hobby conservatively, with known and vetted providers who suit your tastes. What goes up, must come down.

[MarblesKyle]

I hope so, Todd. I look at some of the Tryst girls and I wonder how many are paying the $$$ they want, PLUS deposits! We need more info if anyone is getting ghosted after ponying up deposit $$.

Good analysis as usual from Todd.

I think about the quoted text above a lot. Just strictly approaching this from a common sense deduction standpoint, I don't think the 600 club on Tryst is getting a lot of business. There would be WAY more reviews on here. Many of them have no reviews. While I don't search for all of them, I do look into random ones or ones that pique my interest. Almost never can I find a review. At best, I will find a post of someone asking if anyone has seen them or maybe a post reviewing them in another city, usually where they are based. I've noticed that as well over the years on Tryst. Some of them are based in a city 2-5 hours away but they indicate they are also available in Cincinnati or are planning on traveling to Cincinnati soon. My theory is that some of them ask for 500 or more, plus deposits and possibly other fees. If they can get a monger to agree to that in a town 1. 5 hours away, they will make the drive for it. Which tells me their service is probably worth half what they are charging (or less) but they are inflating their price to justify the travel time, hotel booking and risk. It's not a horrible way to operate from a business standpoint but it leads to scarcity for the consumer. They are taking limited risks and maximizing what they make, as long as they can survive on seeing one monger a week or whatever they end up doing, they have no reason to drop their price or lower their demands. Jacking up prices limits the tire kickers and weirdos too.

I realize there's many mongers on here seeing the high honorarium traveling girls, but the regular posters on tryst asking for top dollar can't possibly be getting that much traffic.

[Tickle Jay]

I hope so, Todd. I look at some of the Tryst girls and I wonder how many are paying the $$$ they want, PLUS deposits! We need more info if anyone is getting ghosted after ponying up deposit $$.

I'm glad to see Marbles back.

As Bill Clinton used to say (see, I *am* a veteran), "I feel your pain. ".

I haven't posted in a while, because I know there's nothing to be gained from me endlessly saying things like, "But that one's too old, fat, overpriced, etc. ".

As for price. I don't expect to be paying 2009 prices. Four hundred is probably a reasonable base price now for quality women.

The problem for me, rather, is that I'm drawn to almost none of the options currently on the market, at any price. A decade ago, I had to watch my budget because there were so many women I wanted to see.

I've dabbled with the hobby since 1992. The hobby, like everything else, is subject to boom and bust cycles, often protracted ones. Between 1998 and 2006, choices were very limited. The Golden Age lasted from 2008 through early 2019.

Here's my analysis of our current state:

In 2012 we had:

-8 percent unemployment.

-A comparatively liberal political environment, both in the US and in Ohio.

-A laissez-faire legal environment toward the internet.

-Lots of young women (a "youth bubble".

-Sex work (especially sugar baby dating) getting positive media coverage.

That all led to a good hobby market, in other words, a good market for hobbyists.

In 2026 we have:

-4. 3 percent unemployment.

-A right-leaning political environment.

-Lots of internet regulation (SESTA / FOSTA).

-Fewer young women. (Though we only need a few!

-All sex work being portrayed as "trafficking" in the news.

That makes for a bad market for us. The hot women are the last to enter the hobby, and the first to leave. (Remember, I've been watching this since 1992.) That leaves the overweight, the old, the scamming, and the substance-abusing.

Todd's First Law of Economics and the Hobby: 5 percent unemployment is the threshold where a significant number of new, attractive women enter the hobby. They just don't have an incentive to do it when the job market is hot.

On the positive side, the labor market seems to be loosening. I also predict that the national mood and the political environment are about to swing left again. That will create better conditions for the hobby.

Until then, my advice is to hobby conservatively, with known and vetted providers who suit your tastes. What goes up, must come down.

[Todd Cincy]

I'm glad to see Marbles back.

As Bill Clinton used to say (see, I *am* a veteran), "I feel your pain. ".

I haven't posted in a while, because I know there's nothing to be gained from me endlessly saying things like, "But that one's too old, fat, overpriced, etc. ".

As for price. I don't expect to be paying 2009 prices. Four hundred is probably a reasonable base price now for quality women.

The problem for me, rather, is that I'm drawn to almost none of the options currently on the market, at any price. A decade ago, I had to watch my budget because there were so many women I wanted to see.

I've dabbled with the hobby since 1992. The hobby, like everything else, is subject to boom and bust cycles, often protracted ones. Between 1998 and 2006, choices were very limited. The Golden Age lasted from 2008 through early 2019.

Here's my analysis of our current state:

In 2012 we had:

-8 percent unemployment.

-A comparatively liberal political environment, both in the US and in Ohio.

-A laissez-faire legal environment toward the internet.

-Lots of young women (a "youth bubble".

-Sex work (especially sugar baby dating) getting positive media coverage.

That all led to a good hobby market, in other words, a good market for hobbyists.

In 2026 we have:

-4. 3 percent unemployment.

-A right-leaning political environment.

-Lots of internet regulation (SESTA / FOSTA).

-Fewer young women. (Though we only need a few!

-All sex work being portrayed as "trafficking" in the news.

That makes for a bad market for us. The hot women are the last to enter the hobby, and the first to leave. (Remember, I've been watching this since 1992.) That leaves the overweight, the old, the scamming, and the substance-abusing.

Todd's First Law of Economics and the Hobby: 5 percent unemployment is the threshold where a significant number of new, attractive women enter the hobby. They just don't have an incentive to do it when the job market is hot.

On the positive side, the labor market seems to be loosening. I also predict that the national mood and the political environment are about to swing left again. That will create better conditions for the hobby.

Until then, my advice is to hobby conservatively, with known and vetted providers who suit your tastes. What goes up, must come down.

[MarblesKyle]

Here is an example. I remember when I could buy 100% gas for less than a dollar per gallon. Now I am paying $3. 50 per gallon for 90% gas.

Prices go up. If you cannot afford the lady play less. If you cannot find a good lady then stop. If you get bad service tell us. Report on the service you get.

Another thing I have noticed is people whining on the escort or the comments for you remember on the escort string. This is the string you should use. The reason for this is some guys want to just read reports on escorts not revisit the past or read guys whining.

I get it, whining and reminiscing should stay in the rants and raves section. My original intention was to come in here and poke holes in the compared analogy of gasoline prices but its not that far off. Last time gas was under a buck was the early 90's, and if you consider todays prices (ignoring the peaks and valleys in between) it looks like costs go up roughly 9% a year. I considered a pretty well known provider who I banged 7 or 8 years ago for under $250. After COVID that provider was charging north of $500. Even though that seemingly happened over night, I considered it over a 5 year span, making it something around a 13% increase per year. I'm taking a lot of liberties and bending some data there, you could very easily make a solid case for either extreme, but I was a little surprised that the data wasnt jumping off the page screaming too high of a jump compared to gas, while its actually rather comparable. Its as if gas remained steady and pussy took a a major jump to catch up with it. I remember thinking about strip club economics quite a lot through the early aughts and into the mid 2010's. Prices of every day goods had slowly gone upward but lapdance prices didn't move for like 20 years. Throwing a dollar bill on a stage had the same buying power for multiple decades. Some of the hoodrat strippers started expecting 5's and up but most of the suburban clubs I frequented over the years saw little change. Perhaps the hoodrats were the scholars all along. Ahead of the curve.

I understand the 7-10's increasing their prices after COVID, what I personally whine about is the fat whales and druggies increasing their prices in the same fashion. Rising tides shouldn't necessarily lift all boats here but as many of the white knights will say, "the lady can charge whatever she wants. " Sure, and we can complain about them being fucking idiots and pricing themselves out of their own business. The same thing happens to me in my industry. Prices go up, customers complain. Pussy is not immune to this. I don't go on yelp and tell my clients to stop hiring me if they can't afford me. I try to remain fair and competitive but also make sure I am profitable.

This is a forum that not only shares information on experiences in the hobby but also generally discusses the hobby. Personally I'd rather read pricing breakdowns and comparisons to other markets and maybe a little whining about the good ole days compared to long winded romance novels about getting jerked off by a woman who probably hates you. Not talking about any specific reviews, but there's many that fit that category. Different posts for different folks. I'll keep my crybaby data to the rants and raves section though, good points all around. Good day!