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  1. #20581
    Quote Originally Posted by WinterKnight  [View Original Post]
    Most of my club experience has been day shift 2-4 x / month about 1-5 pm but I have been out to night shift also the last several months past midnight to closing; my impressions are that days shift providers tend to be older, more business-like, less pricey, and more willing to perform BB than night shift girls who skew younger, hotter, pricier and wilder than day shift. For example, late kast night at BT's was the first time a girl tried to choke me while giving CBJ. I Suppose this happens to the rest of you all the time, but it was new to me.
    Choking, like that's not slang for anything right, you mean literally choking around the neck? It's been a while since I've fucked in the clubs, I've found a few girls that will do otc, I'm older now so I like to build a relationship, all be them transactional relationships, it's just more fun for me, but in all my years, I've never had a girl try to choke me. Might like that though LOL, got a name of the girl?

  2. #20580
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTraveler  [View Original Post]
    If you really want to stay in Dearborn, the Holiday Inn Express (cheapest) and the Staybridge Suites (little more expensive) in the same parking lot are a mile from Silver Criket and have the same owner. They have security in the parking lot at night. They are the best price, Holiday Inn Express on Michigan specifically, if you are just looking for a bed and shower, and wanting to avoid unfavorable local elements. Its quick to get to all 6 extras clubs from here.

    At the same time, check super.com and Expedia for deals on both of these, but also check out downtown Detroit. Staying downtown gives you much better rooms, bathrooms and beds, access to bars and restaurants in the hotels. Most of which are night spots, and somewhere to bring dancers back to. There is MGM and other casinos where dancers also go after the clubs close at 2. Some go to the casinos and hang out at bars looking for patrons instead of the clubs on any given night.

    If you check the monthly calendar on Expedia for a hotels nightly rates, you will find often you could be staying in a nice room downtown, still under $200, and have a roof top bar, casino or some other destination where dancers will be targeting for the night. If you decide to have someone back to your room from the club, you are going to get much better results based on where you are staying.

    I would not try to bring a dancer back to the Holiday Inn Express, and she would be far less likely to go anyways. And you certainly aren't going to find any other action at the Holiday Inn Express. The 20 minute drive is worth it for a much fuller experience.

    It's also worth staying 2 nights if you are coming far. This gives you a chance to check out multiple shifts at multiple clubs, and to explore the talent downtown that is available. There are times I am in Detroit and never make it to the clubs because there is so much action in the casinos downtown area. This time of year it is especially true of all 3 casinos.
    I've been to the casinos a few times, just for the black jack, but if you don't mind me asking, how do you find the action there. Or does the action just find you?

  3. #20579

    Advice on hotels and traveling to this area

    Quote Originally Posted by FreshPrince  [View Original Post]
    First off wanted to say thanks for all the advice I've been reading off and on for the past few months. I've been debating making a trip, but it's about an 8 hour round trip so that's not really feasible without getting a place to stay. How far away from Inkster do I need to stay to not be in a bad part of town?
    If you really want to stay in Dearborn, the Holiday Inn Express (cheapest) and the Staybridge Suites (little more expensive) in the same parking lot are a mile from Silver Criket and have the same owner. They have security in the parking lot at night. They are the best price, Holiday Inn Express on Michigan specifically, if you are just looking for a bed and shower, and wanting to avoid unfavorable local elements. Its quick to get to all 6 extras clubs from here.

    At the same time, check super.com and Expedia for deals on both of these, but also check out downtown Detroit. Staying downtown gives you much better rooms, bathrooms and beds, access to bars and restaurants in the hotels. Most of which are night spots, and somewhere to bring dancers back to. There is MGM and other casinos where dancers also go after the clubs close at 2. Some go to the casinos and hang out at bars looking for patrons instead of the clubs on any given night.

    If you check the monthly calendar on Expedia for a hotels nightly rates, you will find often you could be staying in a nice room downtown, still under $200, and have a roof top bar, casino or some other destination where dancers will be targeting for the night. If you decide to have someone back to your room from the club, you are going to get much better results based on where you are staying.

    I would not try to bring a dancer back to the Holiday Inn Express, and she would be far less likely to go anyways. And you certainly aren't going to find any other action at the Holiday Inn Express. The 20 minute drive is worth it for a much fuller experience.

    It's also worth staying 2 nights if you are coming far. This gives you a chance to check out multiple shifts at multiple clubs, and to explore the talent downtown that is available. There are times I am in Detroit and never make it to the clubs because there is so much action in the casinos downtown area. This time of year it is especially true of all 3 casinos.

  4. #20578
    Quote Originally Posted by HornKnee  [View Original Post]
    I visited the clubs finally. I went to Henrys (H8), then Silver Cricket (SC), and then back to H8.

    I was specifically looking for an AA (black) girl who did BBBJ. I went to H8 about 9 PM. Only 2 AAs there, and none did it. I went to Bogarts. Same thing basically. I went to SC.

    As soon as I get to SC, I run into Pressure. She's a tall AA with a nice ass, shoulder length hair, an OK face, and some slightly saggy small titties. Thick but not fat. I was goalpost-robbed in a way that shows up textbook time and time again in this thread. She sat at my table after I looked at her for half a second. We start talking regular "intro" stuff. Eventually I said what I'm looking for, and she said she can do a bare BJ for 400. I say no, and she asks my price. I say the most is 200. She says I should make it 300. I say I can't do that and I want to talk to other girls. But she won't leave or stop trying. We repeat "300. Talk" about 3 or 4 more times. She then "agrees" to the 200. We get back there, and she wants the money up front. I give it to her. She starts talking about making it 300 again. Annoyed, I say if the BJ is good, we can go to 250. She agrees. She does it and (I'll admit) it IS good..
    I think the important thing is to be prepared to walk out I've walked out many times. If she quotes $300 at the table, I'll say you're out of my league. If she asks what I'd like to pay I tell her she wouldn't be happy with what I'll pay, so never mind. When we're in the back, if she asks for the money first, I say I never pay first, I'll show her the money but it goes back in my pocket If she says anything other than "ok fine", I say "this isn't going to work" and I walked out, without giving her anything. She might run to the bouncer, I'll tell him I changed my mind about getting a dance from her. The key here is I can leave, get in my vehicle and leave, because they don't have my coat or car keys.

  5. #20577

    Best place is hotel near airport.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreshPrince  [View Original Post]
    First off wanted to say thanks for all the advice I've been reading off and on for the past few months. I've been debating making a trip, but it's about an 8 hour round trip so that's not really feasible without getting a place to stay. How far away from Inkster do I need to stay to not be in a bad part of town?
    Your hub area for access to all the clubs is going to be Middlebelt Rd and Michigan Ave. The airport is just down Middlebelt to the south about 2 to 3 miles with plenty of hotel space in the area south of Michigan Ave. There are 6 clubs within easy driving distance of that intersection. Henry the VIII (north on Middlebelt about a 1/3 of a mile), Bogarts and Flight Club right near that intersection on Michigan ave. With Playhouse (Middlebelt rd south of I-94 and just past Northline Rd about 4 miles) and Landing Strip on opposite side of the Airport (west) and the hardest driving wise to access from the Middlebelt-Michigan ave intersection about 5 miles. Silver Cricket is east on Michigan ave on the south side about 2. 5 miles give or take. Just bring up google maps for that intersection and start punching the club names into the maps app.

    It is not like Inkster is a completely lawless crime ridden hell hole. It isn't. It's a suburb of a crime ridden hell hole (Detroit) and does not have a direct border with the City of Detroit. In Inkster there are lots of residential areas and businesses lining major roads. Unless you do something incredibly stupid you'll likely not run into any trouble.

  6. #20576
    Quote Originally Posted by FreshPrince  [View Original Post]
    First off wanted to say thanks for all the advice I've been reading off and on for the past few months. I've been debating making a trip, but it's about an 8 hour round trip so that's not really feasible without getting a place to stay. How far away from Inkster do I need to stay to not be in a bad part of town?
    I usually stay in the hilton down dearborn avenue, or the hilton in Allen Park.

  7. #20575
    Quote Originally Posted by HornKnee  [View Original Post]
    Just curious. Do you find you get BBBJ (from any race) more on day shift or night shift? The events that put me in Detroit tend to end at 9 to 10 PM. I don't want to hit the club early and go to them smelling like that. Ergo, I hit night shift with most my trips. Previous reports and talk here suggest day shift might be better, and I plan to hit day shift the next time. But maybe it really just wasn't my night, and next time on night shift could be better. Hitting the day shift would likely mean going to the clubs just for the clubs.


    Day shift will always be a buyers market, night a sellers market for different reasons. Day. Older dances on average, slower. Night "hotter" young dancers, faster, party atmosphere. It will be slightly more difficult to get bareback services but not hard at all. Like I said don't over think, and it could have just been an off night, we all have them.

  8. #20574

    Hotels

    First off wanted to say thanks for all the advice I've been reading off and on for the past few months. I've been debating making a trip, but it's about an 8 hour round trip so that's not really feasible without getting a place to stay. How far away from Inkster do I need to stay to not be in a bad part of town?

  9. #20573

    Re: Days v. Nights

    Quote Originally Posted by HornKnee  [View Original Post]
    Just curious. Do you find you get BBBJ (from any race) more on day shift or night shift? The events that put me in Detroit tend to end at 9 to 10 PM. I don't want to hit the club early and go to them smelling like that. Ergo, I hit night shift with most my trips. Previous reports and talk here suggest day shift might be better, and I plan to hit day shift the next time. But maybe it really just wasn't my night, and next time on night shift could be better. Hitting the day shift would likely mean going to the clubs just for the clubs.

    1.) Yeah, looking back on the whole thing, she definitely smelled blood in the water when I wasn't firm about talking to other girls. And I definitely should have walked out upon hearing payment up front. But you live and learn I guess.

    2.) I get not being picky and maybe building rapport, but: I hit those clubs 6 times a year at the absolute most. Starting at 9 or 10 PM most times. I tend to only go when I won't miss the 700-800 I plan to spend on the night. I don't have the time to build rapport besides a little intro chat. Being a little less picky is maybe something I could do though. Would definitely reduce my idle time sitting around.

    Thanks for your words though.

    Outside this, has the Pantheion gotten more free with extras? From recent talk, it seems like a "digging hard for gold" situation there because the girls actually get a lot from tips.
    Most of my club experience has been day shift 2-4 x / month about 1-5 pm but I have been out to night shift also the last several months past midnight to closing; my impressions are that days shift providers tend to be older, more business-like, less pricey, and more willing to perform BB than night shift girls who skew younger, hotter, pricier and wilder than day shift. For example, late kast night at BT's was the first time a girl tried to choke me while giving CBJ. I Suppose this happens to the rest of you all the time, but it was new to me.

  10. #20572
    Quote Originally Posted by DooMama7  [View Original Post]
    Should be easy to find an AA woman who will do BBBJ, maybe that night just wasn't your night. Massage Parlor and strip club tactics are really the same, don't overthink it.
    Just curious. Do you find you get BBBJ (from any race) more on day shift or night shift? The events that put me in Detroit tend to end at 9 to 10 PM. I don't want to hit the club early and go to them smelling like that. Ergo, I hit night shift with most my trips. Previous reports and talk here suggest day shift might be better, and I plan to hit day shift the next time. But maybe it really just wasn't my night, and next time on night shift could be better. Hitting the day shift would likely mean going to the clubs just for the clubs.

    Quote Originally Posted by MareloboMex  [View Original Post]
    HK,

    First stop beating yourself up over this. Every single guy has had this similar experience.

    Don't be specifically looking for an AA girl. They are abundant at Criket. You can also try Pantheon which 98% black girls. Be open to who you find attractive and the black girls will come to you.

    Ask yourself why did she sit at your table. Did you tip her, wave her over? She knows you will likely choose someone else unless she locks you up first. That is her hustle and that is fine, but I usually will say I am settling in for my first hour please come back after an hour.

    By the way you should look at your club experiences as an investment of your time. The more time you invest the more likely you will find success. If it was me, I might say I am going to watch the entire dance rotation and tip the 3 or 4 girls I a most interested in and talk to each one for 10 minutes. I would tell each one that after speaking with 3 of them I will choose one for dances.

    Look she is an expert, she has this negotiation 10 times a night and you are not. You have only negotiated this a few times. Her job is reading people and knowing what to say to extract the most cash. Acknowledge her for being good at her job.

    I have never paid $300 for any services a Criket. That price point is too high. She knew that, but she also thought you didn't know that.

    Your big mistake was negotiating in the main room and then renegotiating in the VIP. There is no need for that. You should have said, I am sorry I thought you agreed to $200. I guess I am not your customer after all. Walked out. She would have chased you down and begged you to give her $200.

    Agreeing to $250 was pretty much you saying feel free to cheat me multiple times. To which she did.

    She gave you one more chance to walk away with paying up front. I recently had this same experience with Anna at BTs. We negotiated and I said before we go back I want to be sure payment is at the end. She says no I require payment up front. I said thank you for informing then I won't be going with you. She broke into a lot of reason why I should and how amazing she is. I said Anna no hard feelings I am not actually your customer and you are not my dancer. She finally said if I change my mind to let her know. I said that same if she changes her policy maybe I can be her customer. Neither of us have spoken since. I instead took a great little girl called Alexa and she was fine with paying at the end.

    I know there is a thought that any girl will do any service. Especially for the hotter (use your judgement) and newer girls. That is just false. A girl who will refuse BBBJ to you may happily do it with others. Or she may have 10 guys she does things with that she won't do with anyone else. Their was a thread going on here about talking to the girls. Taking and building rapport and getting to know and like them reduces the cheating opportunities and open the door for a girl to do things with you that she won't do with others. Suggest being her repeat customer.

    Lastly if a girl jumps into table / booth and you don't want her there. Put your big boy underwear on and say please leave. It sounds kind of rude, but it is not. You are being mindful of your time and her time. As you both want to watch money jump from your pocket to her pocket and if that isn't going to happen, then it is better you sit with a girl where that could happen and she sits with a guy where that could happen.

    You got very lucky that she delivered on the service and you are only out money. When I started reading this I though she was going to do a poor service. My goal is never to have a session where even if my balls empty that I am disgusted by the girl and won't go back and sample her again. I only want session where I like the girl and can't wait to be in her company another time.

    Monger on.

    MM.
    1.) Yeah, looking back on the whole thing, she definitely smelled blood in the water when I wasn't firm about talking to other girls. And I definitely should have walked out upon hearing payment up front. But you live and learn I guess.

    2.) I get not being picky and maybe building rapport, but: I hit those clubs 6 times a year at the absolute most. Starting at 9 or 10 PM most times. I tend to only go when I won't miss the 700-800 I plan to spend on the night. I don't have the time to build rapport besides a little intro chat. Being a little less picky is maybe something I could do though. Would definitely reduce my idle time sitting around.

    Thanks for your words though.

    Outside this, has the Pantheion gotten more free with extras? From recent talk, it seems like a "digging hard for gold" situation there because the girls actually get a lot from tips.

  11. #20571
    Quote Originally Posted by Incognito1234  [View Original Post]
    Me? I've never been to FC and it's been years since I've been to LS and BTs. That's MMs (and many others) stomping grounds.

    I've been thinking that I'm going to start including SC into my rotation, and I'll be happy to post about my experiences there.
    BT's is my current favorite. Lately every time I go to FC everyone is in a sour mood and just stand on stage then go look at their phones. LS is a second, but I get a lot of the similar vibes as FC lately. BT's constantly has the most girls and they are working the room. I even have been visiting a cuban there a bit regularly, and I almost never go with cubans.

  12. #20570
    Quote Originally Posted by HornKnee  [View Original Post]
    I visited the clubs finally. I went to Henrys (H8), then Silver Cricket (SC), and then back to H8.

    I was specifically looking for an AA (black) girl who did BBBJ. I went to H8 about 9 PM. Only 2 AAs there, and none did it. I went to Bogarts. Same thing basically. I went to SC.

    As soon as I get to SC, I run into Pressure. She's a tall AA with a nice ass, shoulder length hair, an OK face, and some slightly saggy small titties. Thick but not fat. I was goalpost-robbed in a way that shows up textbook time and time again in this thread. She sat at my table after I looked at her for half a second. We start talking regular "intro" stuff. Eventually I said what I'm looking for, and she said she can do a bare BJ for 400. I say no, and she asks my price. I say the most is 200. She says I should make it 300. I say I can't do that and I want to talk to other girls. But she won't leave or stop trying. We repeat "300. Talk" about 3 or 4 more times. She then "agrees" to the 200. We get back there, and she wants the money up front. I give it to her. She starts talking about making it 300 again. Annoyed, I say if the BJ is good, we can go to 250. She agrees. She does it and (I'll admit) it IS good. I hand her another 50, and she said I said 100. I clearly said I'd give her another 50. She said she didn't hear that and keeps jawing on about it. Annoyed again and not wanting to cause any trouble an hour and change from home, I just give over the 50.

    What's weird is: I know all the red flags here the regulars are probably shaking their head about reading this. But I guess I rolled the dice because I didn't know if another black girl would do BBBJ. I think. All I know is I could have and should have cut that off at a few points and I didn't. Turns out I was kinda right: there wasn't another black girl in SC willing to blow bare that night. Extras in general were being quoted at 300+. Sad, because Pressure was mid at best in looks compared to most of the girls there. If I HAD to be hustled, I'd have taken it a lot better off of one of them. Needless to say, avoid Pressure like the plague.

    I'm pissed, but I had money to continue the night and I at least got what I was initially looking for. I go back to H8, willing to get CBJs. There was a new AA there called Michelle. She's lightskinned with an almost petite build, short haircut, glasses, an OK ass and small tits. She charged 100 for a CBJ with no song count. We get back, and the CBJ is great. I did have to beat off to "help out" a little because it's covered and Pressure's mouth got me earlier, but she was a trooper and got the job done.

    There was another girl there called Sugar. She is a dark-skinned AA with a short haircut, a big ass, and an almost-petite build with some sagginess in her stomach and tits from losing weight (I think). She charged 125 for CBJ, as long as it doesn't take over 30 minutes. Well, it did (not her fault; she was great), and she said she needed an extra 25 for staying back so long. That was no problem. After finally getting the job done, I got on the road home.

    I'll probably stay away from the clubs for a while, until I can do something about my ED problems. I'd be fine with covered stuff if I could stay hard with a condom.
    Should be easy to find an AA woman who will do BBBJ, maybe that night just wasn't your night. Massage Parlor and strip club tactics are really the same, don't overthink it.

  13. #20569
    Quote Originally Posted by HornKnee  [View Original Post]

    I was specifically looking for an AA (black) girl who did BBBJ.

    As soon as I get to SC, I run into Pressure. She's a tall AA with a nice ass, shoulder length hair, an OK face, and some slightly saggy small titties. Thick but not fat. I was goalpost-robbed in a way that shows up textbook time and time again in this thread. She sat at my table after I looked at her for half a second. We start talking regular "intro" stuff. Eventually I said what I'm looking for, and she said she can do a bare BJ for 400. I say no, and she asks my price. I say the most is 200. She says I should make it 300. I say I can't do that and I want to talk to other girls. But she won't leave or stop trying. We repeat "300. Talk" about 3 or 4 more times. She then "agrees" to the 200. We get back there, and she wants the money up front. I give it to her. She starts talking about making it 300 again. Annoyed, I say if the BJ is good, we can go to 250. She agrees. She does it and (I'll admit) it IS good. I hand her another 50, and she said I said 100. I clearly said I'd give her another 50. She said she didn't hear that and keeps jawing on about it. Annoyed again and not wanting to cause any trouble an hour and change from home, I just give over the 50.

    What's weird is: I know all the red flags here the regulars are probably shaking their head about reading this. But I guess I rolled the dice because I didn't know if another black girl would do BBBJ. I think. All I know is I could have and should have cut that off at a few points and I didn't. Turns out I was kinda right: there wasn't another black girl in SC willing to blow bare that night. Extras in general were being quoted at 300+. Sad, because Pressure was mid at best in looks compared to most of the girls there. If I HAD to be hustled, I'd have taken it a lot better off of one of them. Needless to say, avoid Pressure like the plague.
    HK,

    First stop beating yourself up over this. Every single guy has had this similar experience.

    Don't be specifically looking for an AA girl. They are abundant at Criket. You can also try Pantheon which 98% black girls. Be open to who you find attractive and the black girls will come to you.

    Ask yourself why did she sit at your table. Did you tip her, wave her over? She knows you will likely choose someone else unless she locks you up first. That is her hustle and that is fine, but I usually will say I am settling in for my first hour please come back after an hour.

    By the way you should look at your club experiences as an investment of your time. The more time you invest the more likely you will find success. If it was me, I might say I am going to watch the entire dance rotation and tip the 3 or 4 girls I a most interested in and talk to each one for 10 minutes. I would tell each one that after speaking with 3 of them I will choose one for dances.

    Look she is an expert, she has this negotiation 10 times a night and you are not. You have only negotiated this a few times. Her job is reading people and knowing what to say to extract the most cash. Acknowledge her for being good at her job.

    I have never paid $300 for any services a Criket. That price point is too high. She knew that, but she also thought you didn't know that.

    Your big mistake was negotiating in the main room and then renegotiating in the VIP. There is no need for that. You should have said, I am sorry I thought you agreed to $200. I guess I am not your customer after all. Walked out. She would have chased you down and begged you to give her $200.

    Agreeing to $250 was pretty much you saying feel free to cheat me multiple times. To which she did.

    She gave you one more chance to walk away with paying up front. I recently had this same experience with Anna at BTs. We negotiated and I said before we go back I want to be sure payment is at the end. She says no I require payment up front. I said thank you for informing then I won't be going with you. She broke into a lot of reason why I should and how amazing she is. I said Anna no hard feelings I am not actually your customer and you are not my dancer. She finally said if I change my mind to let her know. I said that same if she changes her policy maybe I can be her customer. Neither of us have spoken since. I instead took a great little girl called Alexa and she was fine with paying at the end.

    I know there is a thought that any girl will do any service. Especially for the hotter (use your judgement) and newer girls. That is just false. A girl who will refuse BBBJ to you may happily do it with others. Or she may have 10 guys she does things with that she won't do with anyone else. Their was a thread going on here about talking to the girls. Taking and building rapport and getting to know and like them reduces the cheating opportunities and open the door for a girl to do things with you that she won't do with others. Suggest being her repeat customer.

    Lastly if a girl jumps into table / booth and you don't want her there. Put your big boy underwear on and say please leave. It sounds kind of rude, but it is not. You are being mindful of your time and her time. As you both want to watch money jump from your pocket to her pocket and if that isn't going to happen, then it is better you sit with a girl where that could happen and she sits with a guy where that could happen.

    You got very lucky that she delivered on the service and you are only out money. When I started reading this I though she was going to do a poor service. My goal is never to have a session where even if my balls empty that I am disgusted by the girl and won't go back and sample her again. I only want session where I like the girl and can't wait to be in her company another time.

    Monger on.

    MM.

  14. #20568
    Quote Originally Posted by Arianabp  [View Original Post]

    I've been having much better luck at the clubs lately, and I attribute a lot of that to the solid advice I've received from this forum. I'm grateful for it.
    Arian,

    You and me both. It is amazing what a little bit of knowledge and understanding what the scams are and how to avoid getting cheated moves the experience from uncertain to nearly certain good time.

    MM.

  15. #20567
    Quote Originally Posted by Bacardi1314  [View Original Post]
    Here from the west side of the state for the night. My plans are:

    Silver Criket 6-8.

    Dispensary to re up my stash.

    Bogart's 9-11.

    Henry's 11-2.

    Shouldn't have a problem finding what I like. I'll report back later.
    GREAT PLAN! Man it don't get no better than the greater Detroit strip club scene!

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