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From what I've seen, the explanation imo is simple. People who like HYAs are reluctant to give lower service grades to hya girls they like. Maybe selfish reasons to make the girl stay or whatever else, I don't know. I think all girls should be judged on the same scale when talking about service. Not the "good enough for me" scale but on a more objective, skill-based scale. After all, if not there where else do you grade a girls sex skills? I should be able to tell which girl can deep throat a 9 inch with no gag vs a girl who only gets the tip of a four inch in, off some score.

I won't convince you otherwise. What I can do instead is show you the POV of some HYA Hunters and the rating complications. I think it's important so people aren't too confused when I rate girls on Service, because while MILFs rarely score low only a few of them score very high to me. The highest scoring girls are usually veteran pre-MILFs along with a few high libido HYA, and I've narrowed down the reasons. First, see below on how Boner and I rated an S Service girl, but another guy gave her an F on Service ("zero service" were the words).
https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/sho...=1#post7096656 S versus F Service

This is what I usually call attitude or chemistry. There's nothing wrong with calling it service, it's just that Boner considers Evian a maximum service girl while you consider her a zero service girl. We're talking two different aspects - "attitude" vs "performance". This happens all the time so sometimes it helps to split them. You were happy with parts of her performance, but not her attitude and the way you didn't vibe..I rank her very high the same as Boner, but I also do not recommend her to normal guys either. For exactly the reasons discussed.

I didnt mean that I had two scales for Service. I meant that you and I have two different scales. If anything, I have always gone soft on MILFs on Service, declining to list out complaints that require too long explanations and saying sincerely that 'someone else would like them more'. For me it was never a matter of their Looks, but they couldn't do what I wanted even though they did have Skills. Half my S-Tier Service list are butterfaces to some degree or thick, one is straight up ugly but treated me better than any MILF. While I do have clear Service ratings for all girls on one scale, they just won't help many people unless they have similar taste on Service to me and Boner.

The S versus F Service gap is a recurring problem. That is a symptom of Dealbreakers and Dealmakers. To some degree, I dislike the things you like, and you dislike the things I like. I also value Skills as maybe 20% of Service, while you and others might value it at closer to 80%. I actually value Pussy (PIV quality and quantity) more than Skill, meaning Nymphos both HYA and MILF are going to score higher for me than they probably do for Service guys.

There are a lot of people in both camps of weighing Skills heavy or light. It's why I can only use a reviewer like Boner to rate Service, other people's ratings won't help me. Only their general words summing up the Service type will help me. I can even tell by certain complaints about Service that the girl will probalby give me good Service instead. That's how upside-down ratings are. I actually see Service Queen as a warning. When I saw Nali, the first thing I had to do was tell her to stop doing SQ stuff I don't like. It's in my review. She stopped and didn't even try any more, so she passed. A girl that doesn't adapt to that one request, fails. Most MILFs can at least do that part and adapt, but where they can fail is not in Skills but within Pussy, Performance, Attitude / Vibe.

With some MILFs I liked their Skills, but I didn't find the rest of their Service special - it means they lacked those four criteria. They are missing Dealmakers that maybe you don't care about, and they have Dealbreakers for me that you might actually love. To me, Skills are a lower priority than DTF, Vibe, Performance in bed. 2 out of 3 is a must-have to score highly. Missing 2 or 3 is hard Dealbreaker for me for Service, and Boner has a nearly identical list. A lot of HYA Hunters do. Most MILFs won't even get wet naturally, they aren't receptive enough to being submissive, and some are too performative. Skills are not much consolation, it helps me overcome that disappointment a little. It goes to me valuing Skills 1/4th as much, with others valuing Skills 4x as much.

Another problem is we want the same things but rate very differently. On kissing, a girl should match me. Some MILFs do too much, some HYA do too little - the ATFs adapt and figure it out. They catch on after a single hint. I coach HYAs to do more, I coach MILFs to cut it out. I'm far from alone on hating some MILFs' kissing. It is a very common complaint. Whereas Nymphos generally can read my mind and we get way more done in an hour. You know what Service really is? It's when the girl does what I want.

The Nympho vs Service Queen factor is the best predictor of which MILFs I'll enjoy service with. Even borderline Nymphos see what I like and want to do it. Other MILFs just pretend. Yes, it's better to pretend than not to pretend. But that's still mid Service. There are HYA who actually enjoy it, so I'm going to rate them higher than the pretenders. Probably, they are ymmv service. So if those HYA don't give you good attitude and service, you should rate them low for it. There's no other way.

I'll give just one more example of a Dealbreaker. What is the most common way for a MILF to fail on Service? Any loud or performative kgirl is a hard Dealbreaker to me. Specifically when she can't take a hint. Few HYA have to be told to cut it out, and most MILFs get it at least. Whereas the nymphos never have to be told in the first place - they are already matching my Vibe from the start. Among my Service Dealbreakers, MILFs get to 3 strikes faster than HYA on average. I'm sure for you, it's the other way around.

For these reasons, I try to list out things I noticed a girl was especially good or bad at. For everything else, Service Hunters have to review for Service Hunters. Our criteria on basic things like kissing and DT are too different.

[CumSquat]

The guy went 5 for 5 from long. That is not going to happen again. Also lakers shot 60% from the field v. Like 33%. Don't worry, lebron will be done soon and can go back to his book reading.

What you talking about, the great Kennard still killing it.

Would be great to see LBJ engaging in more age appropriate activities.

[Calorie]

I worked for it. There is no such things as legends. A living legend should ideally pivot fast.

I thought I grew up in the wrong.

Boomers. While 10 years ago were important, they just castrated momentum that the world can suffer from for.

Jesus, IDK.

So crazy. But the last thing I want to do.

Sague to the new problem.

In the past my problem was.

Does any key, open the lock?

The lock is your loves for life.

The lock is a prostitute problem. Now, gents. I explored this situation for at least a decade. The answer is fleeting. And like a wisp in the wind.

If a dick is the key, guide yourself to the locks.

Man! I LOVE Pulling down my ride or die, girl. I dig her. I am not a legacy BLOOMER culkhold culture guy who Einstein's as a Boner.

Fuck. I used to be misnomered guy. Beauty and the BEAST.

NOTHING PERSON.

Love to see a decline.

[Calorie]

Down with Luka, up with Luke!

The guy went 5 for 5 from long. That is not going to happen again. Also lakers shot 60% from the field v. Like 33%. Don't worry, lebron will be done soon and can go back to his book reading.

[CumSquat]

I worked for it. There is no such things as legends. A living legend should ideally pivot fast.

I thought I grew up in the wrong.

Boomers. While 10 years ago were important, they just castrated momentum that the world can suffer from for.

Jesus, IDK.

So crazy. But the last thing I want to do.

Sague to the new problem.

In the past my problem was.

Does any key, open the lock?

The lock is your loves for life.

The lock is a prostitute problem. Now, gents. I explored this situation for at least a decade. The answer is fleeting. And like a wisp in the wind.

If a dick is the key, guide yourself to the locks.

Man! I LOVE Pulling down my ride or die, girl. I dig her. I am not a legacy BLOOMER culkhold culture guy who Einstein's as a Boner.

Fuck. I used to be misnomered guy. Beauty and the BEAST.

NOTHING PERSON.

Down with Luka, up with Luke!

[Christophe1]

How'd you get a troll tag? Dude you're a legend and always sharing.

I worked for it. There is no such things as legends. A living legend should ideally pivot fast.

I thought I grew up in the wrong.

Boomers. While 10 years ago were important, they just castrated momentum that the world can suffer from for.

Jesus, IDK.

So crazy. But the last thing I want to do.

Sague to the new problem.

In the past my problem was.

Does any key, open the lock?

The lock is your loves for life.

The lock is a prostitute problem. Now, gents. I explored this situation for at least a decade. The answer is fleeting. And like a wisp in the wind.

If a dick is the key, guide yourself to the locks.

Man! I LOVE Pulling down my ride or die, girl. I dig her. I am not a legacy BLOOMER culkhold culture guy who Einstein's as a Boner.

Fuck. I used to be misnomered guy. Beauty and the BEAST.

NOTHING PERSON.

[Tipisil]

The times have changed. The years before are not the times we live in today. Menu are the weakest ever, girls who sho their vaginas are the strongest ever recorded in history. There is no balance in the force of creation that perpetuates humanity. I learned this through trial and error. At once the ladies of the night were victims, today, that is not true.

Not true at all.

The today victims are you. I bowed out gracefully and collected a TROLL Tag on this website. Thus isn't to say that there aren't reason to go out and fuck a girl with a loose pussy in a train, but no one is boldly going where no man has gone before.

Not like Artemis 2. There are no heroes fucking soulless people for money.

Before I bowed out gracefully, I tried to show my strength where I love, it is the place of education and making sure our future has people who can decipher language. Psychology, the new war, of social media.

In my world it is the stock market. Where I grew stronger. But, my strength grew from spreading the gospel of how anyone can do the things, that growth. I took myself to the places where I can grow with real people and share losses, and share humble gratitude for learning and education l.

I took my victimized to the opposite side.

Like Easy-e.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrznwpD-2tk

If not today, maybe tomorrow?

Never give up. Never surrender. Look at the posted people and ask yourself?

Who are they really. $2000 is an awesome vacation, or 2 hos.

How'd you get a troll tag? Dude you're a legend and always sharing.

[Newbie58]

Typical loser speak to justify doing something wrong in the eyes of normal folk. Make sure to keep the drama off the normal thread and poke at the loser here.

Ahh yeah a missing sock or missing underwear thats all stretched out is really gonna ruin their day or even get a mongers tease ruined!!! calm down white knight half of these girls don't even wear underwear.

[Christophe1]

Does one ever fully retire from mongering, or is it a "you're here forever" situation.

I'm in my 20's, but I wonder if the temptation is going to be super strong when I'm older (like 40's or 50's), or if it dies down a bit.

Shiet, I don't even want to know the prices in the future, probably going to be like 2 grand for 30 minutes from like a megapersonals lady.

The times have changed. The years before are not the times we live in today. Menu are the weakest ever, girls who sho their vaginas are the strongest ever recorded in history. There is no balance in the force of creation that perpetuates humanity. I learned this through trial and error. At once the ladies of the night were victims, today, that is not true.

Not true at all.

The today victims are you. I bowed out gracefully and collected a TROLL Tag on this website. Thus isn't to say that there aren't reason to go out and fuck a girl with a loose pussy in a train, but no one is boldly going where no man has gone before.

Not like Artemis 2. There are no heroes fucking soulless people for money.

Before I bowed out gracefully, I tried to show my strength where I love, it is the place of education and making sure our future has people who can decipher language. Psychology, the new war, of social media.

In my world it is the stock market. Where I grew stronger. But, my strength grew from spreading the gospel of how anyone can do the things, that growth. I took myself to the places where I can grow with real people and share losses, and share humble gratitude for learning and education l.

I took my victimized to the opposite side.

Like Easy-e.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrznwpD-2tk

If not today, maybe tomorrow?

Never give up. Never surrender. Look at the posted people and ask yourself?

Who are they really. $2000 is an awesome vacation, or 2 hos.

[FarFarAway]

Seems like some guys on here could have run across this one, such as on sugar dating sites. Any one have experience?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other...se/ar-AA1Zp5Bv

[Adamska]

Does one ever fully retire from mongering, or is it a "you're here forever" situation.

I'm in my 20's, but I wonder if the temptation is going to be super strong when I'm older (like 40's or 50's), or if it dies down a bit.

Shiet, I don't even want to know the prices in the future, probably going to be like 2 grand for 30 minutes from like a megapersonals lady.

The temptation has died down for me because I've had way more bad to just mediocre experiences with providers. Doesn't matter how much you pay, how hot she is, or what good things others say about her, there is always a huge chance your experience with her won't be good. There's only a handful providers that gave me an incredible experience and had me completely satisfied. I'm very selective nowadays because of that which limits my mongering even further. Although I'm grateful to have this knowledge and experience in mongering bc I will continue to partake in this no matter how infrequent it becomes for me. Having an option like this makes life a bit easier in general.

[SecondLove]

Does one ever fully retire from mongering, or is it a "you're here forever" situation.

I'm in my 20's, but I wonder if the temptation is going to be super strong when I'm older (like 40's or 50's), or if it dies down a bit.

Shiet, I don't even want to know the prices in the future, probably going to be like 2 grand for 30 minutes from like a megapersonals lady.

When that happens, you will stop mongering.

[CumSquat]

Does one ever fully retire from mongering, or is it a "you're here forever" situation.

I'm in my 20's, but I wonder if the temptation is going to be super strong when I'm older (like 40's or 50's), or if it dies down a bit.

Shiet, I don't even want to know the prices in the future, probably going to be like 2 grand for 30 minutes from like a megapersonals lady.

Everyone is different but I think for a lot of guys testosterone and sex drive decrease with advanced age.

The posters participating here are probably a skewed sample since the guys ho have dropped off are no longer here.

[Calorie]

I've been mongering for 16 years. In the last couple years, I have cut down significantly, but that is mainly due to economics. Not sure I'll ever stop completely, to be honest.

For me, I have slowed way down. The MPs suck, the street walking scene is like fucking on social media, and the escort scene is a bigger goat fuck than an iranian drone factory.

[FiatVoluptas]

Does one ever fully retire from mongering, or is it a "you're here forever" situation.

I'm in my 20's, but I wonder if the temptation is going to be super strong when I'm older (like 40's or 50's), or if it dies down a bit.

Shiet, I don't even want to know the prices in the future, probably going to be like 2 grand for 30 minutes from like a megapersonals lady.

I've been mongering for 16 years. In the last couple years, I have cut down significantly, but that is mainly due to economics. Not sure I'll ever stop completely, to be honest.