Rants and Stupid shit in Hartford

[GordonFreeman]

This is accurate. PD generally arrests first and lets the courts sort out the details. Pretty much as soon as you initiate contact (phone, email, text), that's Evidence #1 and the case builds from there. They can, and will, arrest when you show up for the appointment, thus leveraging everything before you got to the location as the probable cause.

What behavior PD can engage in, or how far girls can go, is a vague line that changes by jurisdiction. Not much in clear case precedent. Usually precedent is set by a state court, and in some instances courts have required PD to have clear guidelines they'll follow for busts, while not dictating specifically what that guideline must be. Meaning, the arresting agency may have a different level of touching allowed vs another agency. The confusion gets worse, as girls work between states what's not permissible by PD in State A might be 100% fine by State B.

Generally, courts have not allowed sexual penetration by PD, either initiated by PD or by PD allowing the girl to perform the act on them. But non-penetrative acts have been allowed. Courts mostly focus on fairness and entrapment. For example, if PD kicks in door to a massage parlor and arrests everyone purely for being there, a court might toss because your mere presence at a place that offers legal activities (massage) isn't evidence of a crime. The crime is "something of value", usually money, exchanged for sexual activity. Which does not have to be penetration. Even if money is paid to a third party, or hasn't been paid but there's an expectation it will. So paying after appointment doesn't help, nor does calling it a "donation", leaving in an unmarked envelope, or leaving on a dresser while never verbally acknowledging it.

It's a misdemeanor covered by C. G. S. 53 a-83, there's good attorneys who defend these cases. But, that doesn't stop your arrest, booking photo taken, name and pic in media, a public record of your charge, and the cost of hiring a lawyer and you showing up in court. The cost of defending yourself and loss of reputation is 100% worse than the $2,000 fine if guilty.

The real kicker is if cops nail you on the above AND the person is below 18 years of age. Then it's a class B felony.

Police will just write whatever they want in their report. It would be their word against yours or the provider. They do not care if there is an ultimate conviction or nolle. The punishment is the process.

[BoltonChaser]

The checks I'm familiar with are the girl checking me. The last one I remember was punk rock Jessie in Windsor Locks.

By the time you've gotten far enough to ask her to do something as a check at an incall, you've probably already provided probable cause to at least be detained.

This is accurate. PD generally arrests first and lets the courts sort out the details. Pretty much as soon as you initiate contact (phone, email, text), that's Evidence #1 and the case builds from there. They can, and will, arrest when you show up for the appointment, thus leveraging everything before you got to the location as the probable cause.

What behavior PD can engage in, or how far girls can go, is a vague line that changes by jurisdiction. Not much in clear case precedent. Usually precedent is set by a state court, and in some instances courts have required PD to have clear guidelines they'll follow for busts, while not dictating specifically what that guideline must be. Meaning, the arresting agency may have a different level of touching allowed vs another agency. The confusion gets worse, as girls work between states what's not permissible by PD in State A might be 100% fine by State B.

Generally, courts have not allowed sexual penetration by PD, either initiated by PD or by PD allowing the girl to perform the act on them. But non-penetrative acts have been allowed. Courts mostly focus on fairness and entrapment. For example, if PD kicks in door to a massage parlor and arrests everyone purely for being there, a court might toss because your mere presence at a place that offers legal activities (massage) isn't evidence of a crime. The crime is "something of value", usually money, exchanged for sexual activity. Which does not have to be penetration. Even if money is paid to a third party, or hasn't been paid but there's an expectation it will. So paying after appointment doesn't help, nor does calling it a "donation", leaving in an unmarked envelope, or leaving on a dresser while never verbally acknowledging it.

It's a misdemeanor covered by C. G. S. 53 a-83, there's good attorneys who defend these cases. But, that doesn't stop your arrest, booking photo taken, name and pic in media, a public record of your charge, and the cost of hiring a lawyer and you showing up in court. The cost of defending yourself and loss of reputation is 100% worse than the $2,000 fine if guilty.

The real kicker is if cops nail you on the above AND the person is below 18 years of age. Then it's a class B felony.

[Woody50]

This is very interesting. I thought if the provider showed her tits when I asked, I was in the clear of uncle LEO. Does anyone have any other way to check for LE?

The checks I'm familiar with are the girl checking me. The last one I remember was punk rock Jessie in Windsor Locks.

By the time you've gotten far enough to ask her to do something as a check at an incall, you've probably already provided probable cause to at least be detained.

[MaxThrust]

This is very interesting. I thought if the provider showed her tits when I asked, I was in the clear of uncle LEO. Does anyone have any other way to check for LE?

Just another reason to never, never pay up front. If there's no $$ shown, they have no bust (as long as you were smart enough to avoid discussing $$ in your prior communications).

You'll notice the experienced or 'smart' girls out there do not discuss $$ in any texts.

I've had girls insist on payment up front at which time I simply walk. Granted, it's cost me a number of 'experiences' with legit providers, but it's also spared me the 'experience' of getting busted and having my life turned upside down.

Trust me. The; "It'll never happen to me" mindset is a very misplaced and dangerous attitude.

My. 02.

[LuckyCT]

LEO checks are all bogus. Undercover is allowed to do anything except directly engage sexually. If the provider asks to touch them or see genitals, they are allowed to respond as requested. LE just cannot expose themselves unprovoked. They also cannot ask to be touched. "Are you associated with LE?" Undercover can say "no". It's not entrapment. People don't realize that it isn't entrapment when going to a site and engaging with providers and clients where it's expected. Entrapment is more like going to random people on the street and soliciting where it isn't expected to happen normally.

Girls that have never been arrested for this think this is how tonprotect them and gives them a false sense of security.

*I am not a lawyer. Always consult a qualified attorney for exact legal advice.

This is very interesting. I thought if the provider showed her tits when I asked, I was in the clear of uncle LEO. Does anyone have any other way to check for LE?

[DonnnyBravo]

Don't any of the girls do LEO checks anymore? I remember years ago in Florida the girls used to do LEO check upon entry.

I haven't had one in years, but I remember a few in CT.

LEO checks are all bogus. Undercover is allowed to do anything except directly engage sexually. If the provider asks to touch them or see genitals, they are allowed to respond as requested. LE just cannot expose themselves unprovoked. They also cannot ask to be touched. "Are you associated with LE?" Undercover can say "no". It's not entrapment. People don't realize that it isn't entrapment when going to a site and engaging with providers and clients where it's expected. Entrapment is more like going to random people on the street and soliciting where it isn't expected to happen normally.

Girls that have never been arrested for this think this is how tonprotect them and gives them a false sense of security.

*I am not a lawyer. Always consult a qualified attorney for exact legal advice.

[Woody50]

Don't any of the girls do LEO checks anymore? I remember years ago in Florida the girls used to do LEO check upon entry.

I haven't had one in years, but I remember a few in CT.

[LuvrOfWomen]

I have a regret I wanted to share. For those of us who were around for the Alpha spa. In the lounge we could meet each other. I always kept to myself and quickly selected a lady or had one pre-scheduled. I regret never chatting or getting to know other members of the community in person.

I miss that place. There was almost always someone there worth seeing. I never talked to any of the guys there either. There were a couple of women from there I wish I could have kept seeing after the place got shut down. If only they had been a cash only business. I did run into 1 of the managers, Jo, outside of the club a couple of times. We'd say hi in passing but didn't really talk more than that. A dirty secret I wish Hartford still had.

I will say I'm glad I started going there when I did. I was going there before they required memberships. The managers knew me so I could get in without having a card on file. I think I paid with a credit card a few times but the last time I did was long enough before that the statue of limitations expired either before they got raided or shortly after so I didn't get caught up in any legal mess. I don't know if they decided to go after any of the customers, but at the time it sounded like they wanted to try.

[Olde Salt]

I have a regret I wanted to share. For those of us who were around for the Alpha spa. In the lounge we could meet each other. I always kept to myself and quickly selected a lady or had one pre-scheduled. I regret never chatting or getting to know other members of the community in person.

Well, Gordon Freeman is a silent type. . .

[MikeFly]

Don't any of the girls do LEO checks anymore? I remember years ago in Florida the girls used to do LEO check upon entry.

[GordonFreeman]

I have a regret I wanted to share. For those of us who were around for the Alpha spa. In the lounge we could meet each other. I always kept to myself and quickly selected a lady or had one pre-scheduled. I regret never chatting or getting to know other members of the community in person.

[Gonzo456]

I think it totally depends on the girl, the situation, prior experience. I've had several over for visits. Never had an issue but not the strung out junkies. Nicolette, totally cool respectful, Ariana jollee, Maggie / Karen, def got to do your homework beforehand. Some are definite NO WAY.

Ditto. The last one I had over was Camille a few years back. I used to do more when the agencies were much more reliable with clean hot women at reasonable prices. I wouldn't consider most of the STG girls to bring home.

[MaxThrust]

Are people really bringing providers into their actual homes? I think the only times I have used outcall was on a business trip to New Orleans and once got a short stay after the Alpha closed down. But never have I ever let a provider have my home address.

Beyond the myriad things that can go awry bringing a 'date' to your home (too many to list! Now you've provided her with your home address, name (not hard to ascertain at that point) and a likely record of the 'meet' (won't that be fun when / if she gets busted).

Oh, and let's not forget about the fact she now has a certain degree of leverage to coerce $$ from you should she need to (uhhh, yeah. You'd be surprised to the extent some of these girls will go to get their next fix).

Never brought one to my home and rarely do any kind of outcall.

Crazy.

[TherealBbcMonger]

We need to come up with a code of honor / ethics for hobbiests. So the kids coming up will learn.

- Don't steal stuff from providers. Stuff they have in their hotel room is probably all their possessions.

- If you pick up a street girl and don't want her services, kick her a few dollars for a coffee.

- Don't give a deposit online.

An additional one.

- Don't ever send a face photo of yourself to a provider.

[DrJohnson2]

I have come to prefer outcall over incall, specially once I've thoroughly vetted the gal and I'm picking her up. But never to my house.

I think it totally depends on the girl, the situation, prior experience. I've had several over for visits. Never had an issue but not the strung out junkies. Nicolette, totally cool respectful, Ariana jollee, Maggie / Karen, def got to do your homework beforehand. Some are definite NO WAY.