"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[Airmantroy]

The main point I'm trying to make is simply that you shouldn't pay more than market price for a commodity, even if you prefer a specific type over another.

Maybe you like Kia more than Cadillac. That's cool, you do you. But you wouldn't pay Cadillac prices for a Kia even if you like Kia better. I apply the same principal here. Even if you prefer 35 year olds to 25 year olds, you shouldn't pay more than market price, and market price for older should always be lower than younger.

As someone else stated, women know this too. Hell, they may even know it better than we do since our culture puts a much higher value on youth and beauty for women for things more than sex. Look at actresses who have incredible careers in their 20's, then fall off a cliff and can barely find work once they hit over 30. Sure, some of them, the very best of them, the Scarlett Johannssens and the like continue to find success as they age, but there is a reason actresses complain about jobs vanishing once they get over 35. It's unfair, but it's reality.

Tl; dr Don't pay over market price just because you have preference. You should still be able to get your preference at market price.

You seem to think you are the one setting market price or something. That's simply not the case dude. We agree on a lot of things in this little bowl we dabble in, but the fact is the girls / women are the ones who say yes or no based on what they will accept. You haven't considered a few things that affect the "market price". Such as "fat tax", "ugly tax", "married tax", "hosting tax", "distance tax" or the decuctions from the "market" such as "looks like Brad Pitt deduction", "looks like George Clooney deduction", "lives in a penthouse suite in Buckhead deduction". Age is not the marker for a price judgement, it's our perception of sex appeal. Example- I'll gladly pay more for a brand named box of Kelloggs fruit loops over the no name less tasty store brand. Even though the basic ingredients are identical.

[UninhibitedFla]

The main point I'm trying to make is simply that you shouldn't pay more than market price for a commodity, even if you prefer a specific type over another.

Maybe you like Kia more than Cadillac. That's cool, you do you. But you wouldn't pay Cadillac prices for a Kia even if you like Kia better. I apply the same principal here. Even if you prefer 35 year olds to 25 year olds, you shouldn't pay more than market price, and market price for older should always be lower than younger.

As someone else stated, women know this too. Hell, they may even know it better than we do since our culture puts a much higher value on youth and beauty for women for things more than sex. Look at actresses who have incredible careers in their 20's, then fall off a cliff and can barely find work once they hit over 30. Sure, some of them, the very best of them, the Scarlett Johannssens and the like continue to find success as they age, but there is a reason actresses complain about jobs vanishing once they get over 35. It's unfair, but it's reality.

Tl; dr Don't pay over market price just because you have preference. You should still be able to get your preference at market price.

My opinion is that market price is not real. Price is real and those willing to pay whatever their price is, is what the price is. Now I do have my own limit, but I don't blame those willing to pay higher. Girls have prices and also other factors that may push them higher or lower. I play my game and don't blame others for playing their own. If the girl is strictly looking for $$ then she will find it. If she is looking for some minimal dough and a nice experience, or perhaps a certain type of fella, then she can find it. I run my game and find it but don't complain when I don't. Good luck playas!

[GoneForGood97]

That different guys like different things. It's not like cheesecake where everyone likes ny style fellas. Enjoy what you enjoy. I have banged multiple young's 20's and women in their early 40's, I am picking a 35 year old with a little cellulite, big ass that fucks like a champ than a 21 year old blonde that pretends like I should be grateful for letting me touch her.

The main point I'm trying to make is simply that you shouldn't pay more than market price for a commodity, even if you prefer a specific type over another.

Maybe you like Kia more than Cadillac. That's cool, you do you. But you wouldn't pay Cadillac prices for a Kia even if you like Kia better. I apply the same principal here. Even if you prefer 35 year olds to 25 year olds, you shouldn't pay more than market price, and market price for older should always be lower than younger.

As someone else stated, women know this too. Hell, they may even know it better than we do since our culture puts a much higher value on youth and beauty for women for things more than sex. Look at actresses who have incredible careers in their 20's, then fall off a cliff and can barely find work once they hit over 30. Sure, some of them, the very best of them, the Scarlett Johannssens and the like continue to find success as they age, but there is a reason actresses complain about jobs vanishing once they get over 35. It's unfair, but it's reality.

Tl; dr Don't pay over market price just because you have preference. You should still be able to get your preference at market price.

[Marmong]

I also prefer a lady a little older. Almost every time I've seen someone in there early 20's it just seemed awkward and they tended to be a lot more submissive which is not my thing. I'd much rather someone with more experience and confidence who knows what they want. I still want attractive, but personality and attitude are also very important and I don't find submissive and quiet appealing. I do think older women tend to expect more money but I'm willing to go a little higher for the right one if they tick all my boxes.

That different guys like different things. It's not like cheesecake where everyone likes ny style fellas. Enjoy what you enjoy. I have banged multiple young's 20's and women in their early 40's, I am picking a 35 year old with a little cellulite, big ass that fucks like a champ than a 21 year old blonde that pretends like I should be grateful for letting me touch her.

[2me4Looking2]

I also prefer a lady a little older. Almost every time I've seen someone in there early 20's it just seemed awkward and they tended to be a lot more submissive which is not my thing. I'd much rather someone with more experience and confidence who knows what they want. I still want attractive, but personality and attitude are also very important and I don't find submissive and quiet appealing. I do think older women tend to expect more money but I'm willing to go a little higher for the right one if they tick all my boxes.

[Airmantroy]

I'm not saying there are no 35 year olds who are waaaay better in the sack than a 22 year old. But at the end of the day, the biggest factor in determining the value is looks. People can complain it's unfair, that they provide better service, that they are beautiful on the inside but none of that matters in this game. It's looks, and looks get worse with age, which means value goes down with age. Period.

Are there exceptions? Sure, there are some 40 year olds that look better than a lot of 20 year olds, but it's incredibly rare.

It's like cars: sure, there are a few, very limited number of "classics" which are worth the same or more than a new car. But 99% of the time the new car is worth more.

I have no idea if the 40 year old woman will fuck my brains out or be a dead fish, same as the 20 year old. Therefore I can't use how good they fuck to determine allowance value during initial negotiations. However, I can use their appearance.

Hell, when it comes to service, I've found age is less telling than their allowance ask. The more expensive they are, the more entitled they believe themselves to be, and the worse the sex often is. I've had great experiences with older and younger. I've never had a great experience from someone charging over 400.

Tl;dr stop paying middle aged woman the same as the co-eds. The expression "Men age like wine, woman age like beer" is said for a reason.

I understand that YOU may like the 20 something college coeds, and they are fun, sometimes. The odds of them having GPS and entitled is very high. I don't hunt down just any 30+, I go for a very particular standard, in shape, well put together with a body some 20 something would envy. They aren't entitled as often (not always, I'll admit). They may have been burned by a guy or two and take a little extra finesing to woo them. But the outcome is generally they love sex and the dirtier the better. Now, if we are talking average kinda in shape mid 30's soccer mom. Yeah I'd say their ppm should be lower. But if she presents herself as the absolute best version of herself I'm perfectly willing to give her the same as a 23 yr old bikini model, and I'll have more fun for a longer period of time.

Now, I will admit I had a date last night with a 24 yr old that was absolutely the best I have had in the past six months. Super sweet girl (like almost too nice), great all natural body, would absolutely snap necks in the mall and she showed up dressed to fuck with zero prompting. Will I see her again? Already got it set for Tuesday or Wednesday according to her work schedule. Date length 2 hours. Ppm 400 and it will go down to 300.

By comparison, Friday I had a 5+ hour date with a 36 yr old, who is a retired pro that was like starring in an unscripted porno except nobody was acting, she's just that sexual. Same ppm.

[Peter Pan]

I'm not saying there are no 35 year olds who are waaaay better in the sack than a 22 year old. But at the end of the day, the biggest factor in determining the value is looks. People can complain it's unfair, that they provide better service, that they are beautiful on the inside but none of that matters in this game. It's looks, and looks get worse with age, which means value goes down with age. Period.

Are there exceptions? Sure, there are some 40 year olds that look better than a lot of 20 year olds, but it's incredibly rare.

It's like cars: sure, there are a few, very limited number of "classics" which are worth the same or more than a new car. But 99% of the time the new car is worth more.

I have no idea if the 40 year old woman will fuck my brains out or be a dead fish, same as the 20 year old. Therefore I can't use how good they fuck to determine allowance value during initial negotiations. However, I can use their appearance.

Hell, when it comes to service, I've found age is less telling than their allowance ask. The more expensive they are, the more entitled they believe themselves to be, and the worse the sex often is. I've had great experiences with older and younger. I've never had a great experience from someone charging over 400.

Tl;dr stop paying middle aged woman the same as the co-eds. The expression "Men age like wine, woman age like beer" is said for a reason.

I agree there might be some exceptions! But generally the price should go down as they age. Even most woman know that too.

[HollowGuy]

I'm not saying there are no 35 year olds who are waaaay better in the sack than a 22 year old. But at the end of the day, the biggest factor in determining the value is looks. People can complain it's unfair, that they provide better service, that they are beautiful on the inside but none of that matters in this game. It's looks, and looks get worse with age, which means value goes down with age. Period.

Are there exceptions? Sure, there are some 40 year olds that look better than a lot of 20 year olds, but it's incredibly rare.

It's like cars: sure, there are a few, very limited number of "classics" which are worth the same or more than a new car. But 99% of the time the new car is worth more.

I have no idea if the 40 year old woman will fuck my brains out or be a dead fish, same as the 20 year old. Therefore I can't use how good they fuck to determine allowance value during initial negotiations. However, I can use their appearance..

Guys please understand everything being said is to help improve your experience and the overall bowel. Just like you would take your car to someone with experience that can help same principle her. Trust these words and you will fine the hobby to be a lot better.

[GoneForGood97]

Yes she looked good. She's 37 though. I think her seeking profile said 27. We agreed to 500. She said she usually gets that up to 1000.

Dude, I promise you can find waaaaay better than that if you're paying that much.

[GoneForGood97]

All but a very few of my under 30 yr old SB encounters have been very underwhelming. Not all of them mind you. Where as my over 30 encounters have almost always been an incredible experience and almost always a repeat. This girl is delusional to think she can get 1 k ppm consistently based on 4 yrs of rub and tugs and a Ukrainian accent, and that's if she is even doing greek and BBFS, cip. Which I'm very doubtful is going to happen.

I'm not saying there are no 35 year olds who are waaaay better in the sack than a 22 year old. But at the end of the day, the biggest factor in determining the value is looks. People can complain it's unfair, that they provide better service, that they are beautiful on the inside but none of that matters in this game. It's looks, and looks get worse with age, which means value goes down with age. Period.

Are there exceptions? Sure, there are some 40 year olds that look better than a lot of 20 year olds, but it's incredibly rare.

It's like cars: sure, there are a few, very limited number of "classics" which are worth the same or more than a new car. But 99% of the time the new car is worth more.

I have no idea if the 40 year old woman will fuck my brains out or be a dead fish, same as the 20 year old. Therefore I can't use how good they fuck to determine allowance value during initial negotiations. However, I can use their appearance.

Hell, when it comes to service, I've found age is less telling than their allowance ask. The more expensive they are, the more entitled they believe themselves to be, and the worse the sex often is. I've had great experiences with older and younger. I've never had a great experience from someone charging over 400.

Tl;dr stop paying middle aged woman the same as the co-eds. The expression "Men age like wine, woman age like beer" is said for a reason.

[Airmantroy]

And what does being over 30 make her worth? Spoiler: less. SBs become worth less as they get older. When an over 30 asks for a ridiculous rate, I have on occassion replied back "oh, is the age on your profile incorrect?" They'll usually replied with a ? or just confused "huh?" and I'll respond "Oh, since you're asking for college girl rates, I thought you must be in your early 20s and just made a typo on your profile" Generally I don't throw this out there if I'm serious about landing her since I presume it'll resort in a block pretty quickly. Woman are incredibly sensitive about their age (why they tend to lie about it so much) so it does get through to them when you mention it. They may call you an asshole and block you, but I like to think they are a little more realistic with the next guy lol.

All but a very few of my under 30 yr old SB encounters have been very underwhelming. Not all of them mind you. Where as my over 30 encounters have almost always been an incredible experience and almost always a repeat. This girl is delusional to think she can get 1 k ppm consistently based on 4 yrs of rub and tugs and a Ukrainian accent, and that's if she is even doing greek and BBFS, cip. Which I'm very doubtful is going to happen.

[Airmantroy]

Like I said, not a SB. Called it. Easy to tell if you know what to look for. Also her rates make more sense now. She's used to those Legalized Brothel rates that have to subsidize the brothel's overhead. That shit don't fly here.

Her $650 ppm would be a steal at the brothel. Their rates are upwards of 2 k or so I was told by a 300 ppm ex-pornstar who worked there.

[FosterWheatly]

https://www.facebook.com/shushaxiomara/about

What was her PPM?

Yes she looked good. She's 37 though. I think her seeking profile said 27. We agreed to 500. She said she usually gets that up to 1000.

[Harley32]

https://members.seeking.com/member/8...c-bd2256674dfc

Really attractive of course but a scam nonetheless. Asked for $$$ but as soon as I made clear that would only be in cash in person, no longer interested.

[GoneForGood97]

https://www.facebook.com/shushaxiomara/about

What was her PPM?

TGTBT??

Doesn't matter if her PPM is twenty dollars. If she's a rinser she's just going to take your allowance plus whatever you spend on the date and leave you high and dry. Don't waste your time or fall for the scam.