"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

**Airmantroy** · 02-08-26 10:36

Originally Posted by GoneForGood97 [View Original Post]

I'm not saying there are no 35 year olds who are waaaay better in the sack than a 22 year old. But at the end of the day, the biggest factor in determining the value is looks. People can complain it's unfair, that they provide better service, that they are beautiful on the inside but none of that matters in this game. It's looks, and looks get worse with age, which means value goes down with age. Period.

Are there exceptions? Sure, there are some 40 year olds that look better than a lot of 20 year olds, but it's incredibly rare.

It's like cars: sure, there are a few, very limited number of "classics" which are worth the same or more than a new car. But 99% of the time the new car is worth more.

I have no idea if the 40 year old woman will fuck my brains out or be a dead fish, same as the 20 year old. Therefore I can't use how good they fuck to determine allowance value during initial negotiations. However, I can use their appearance.

Hell, when it comes to service, I've found age is less telling than their allowance ask. The more expensive they are, the more entitled they believe themselves to be, and the worse the sex often is. I've had great experiences with older and younger. I've never had a great experience from someone charging over 400.

Tl;dr stop paying middle aged woman the same as the co-eds. The expression "Men age like wine, woman age like beer" is said for a reason.

I understand that YOU may like the 20 something college coeds, and they are fun, sometimes. The odds of them having GPS and entitled is very high. I don't hunt down just any 30+, I go for a very particular standard, in shape, well put together with a body some 20 something would envy. They aren't entitled as often (not always, I'll admit). They may have been burned by a guy or two and take a little extra finesing to woo them. But the outcome is generally they love sex and the dirtier the better. Now, if we are talking average kinda in shape mid 30's soccer mom. Yeah I'd say their ppm should be lower. But if she presents herself as the absolute best version of herself I'm perfectly willing to give her the same as a 23 yr old bikini model, and I'll have more fun for a longer period of time.

Now, I will admit I had a date last night with a 24 yr old that was absolutely the best I have had in the past six months. Super sweet girl (like almost too nice), great all natural body, would absolutely snap necks in the mall and she showed up dressed to fuck with zero prompting. Will I see her again? Already got it set for Tuesday or Wednesday according to her work schedule. Date length 2 hours. Ppm 400 and it will go down to 300.

By comparison, Friday I had a 5+ hour date with a 36 yr old, who is a retired pro that was like starring in an unscripted porno except nobody was acting, she's just that sexual. Same ppm.

**Peter Pan** · 02-08-26 00:08

Originally Posted by GoneForGood97 [View Original Post]

I'm not saying there are no 35 year olds who are waaaay better in the sack than a 22 year old. But at the end of the day, the biggest factor in determining the value is looks. People can complain it's unfair, that they provide better service, that they are beautiful on the inside but none of that matters in this game. It's looks, and looks get worse with age, which means value goes down with age. Period.

Are there exceptions? Sure, there are some 40 year olds that look better than a lot of 20 year olds, but it's incredibly rare.

It's like cars: sure, there are a few, very limited number of "classics" which are worth the same or more than a new car. But 99% of the time the new car is worth more.

I have no idea if the 40 year old woman will fuck my brains out or be a dead fish, same as the 20 year old. Therefore I can't use how good they fuck to determine allowance value during initial negotiations. However, I can use their appearance.

Hell, when it comes to service, I've found age is less telling than their allowance ask. The more expensive they are, the more entitled they believe themselves to be, and the worse the sex often is. I've had great experiences with older and younger. I've never had a great experience from someone charging over 400.

Tl;dr stop paying middle aged woman the same as the co-eds. The expression "Men age like wine, woman age like beer" is said for a reason.

I agree there might be some exceptions! But generally the price should go down as they age. Even most woman know that too.

**HollowGuy** · 02-07-26 21:35

Originally Posted by GoneForGood97 [View Original Post]

I'm not saying there are no 35 year olds who are waaaay better in the sack than a 22 year old. But at the end of the day, the biggest factor in determining the value is looks. People can complain it's unfair, that they provide better service, that they are beautiful on the inside but none of that matters in this game. It's looks, and looks get worse with age, which means value goes down with age. Period.

Are there exceptions? Sure, there are some 40 year olds that look better than a lot of 20 year olds, but it's incredibly rare.

It's like cars: sure, there are a few, very limited number of "classics" which are worth the same or more than a new car. But 99% of the time the new car is worth more.

I have no idea if the 40 year old woman will fuck my brains out or be a dead fish, same as the 20 year old. Therefore I can't use how good they fuck to determine allowance value during initial negotiations. However, I can use their appearance..

Guys please understand everything being said is to help improve your experience and the overall bowel. Just like you would take your car to someone with experience that can help same principle her. Trust these words and you will fine the hobby to be a lot better.

**GoneForGood97** · 02-07-26 21:28

Originally Posted by FosterWheatly [View Original Post]

Yes she looked good. She's 37 though. I think her seeking profile said 27. We agreed to 500. She said she usually gets that up to 1000.

Dude, I promise you can find waaaaay better than that if you're paying that much.

**GoneForGood97** · 02-07-26 21:25

Originally Posted by Airmantroy [View Original Post]

All but a very few of my under 30 yr old SB encounters have been very underwhelming. Not all of them mind you. Where as my over 30 encounters have almost always been an incredible experience and almost always a repeat. This girl is delusional to think she can get 1 k ppm consistently based on 4 yrs of rub and tugs and a Ukrainian accent, and that's if she is even doing greek and BBFS, cip. Which I'm very doubtful is going to happen.

I'm not saying there are no 35 year olds who are waaaay better in the sack than a 22 year old. But at the end of the day, the biggest factor in determining the value is looks. People can complain it's unfair, that they provide better service, that they are beautiful on the inside but none of that matters in this game. It's looks, and looks get worse with age, which means value goes down with age. Period.

Are there exceptions? Sure, there are some 40 year olds that look better than a lot of 20 year olds, but it's incredibly rare.

It's like cars: sure, there are a few, very limited number of "classics" which are worth the same or more than a new car. But 99% of the time the new car is worth more.

I have no idea if the 40 year old woman will fuck my brains out or be a dead fish, same as the 20 year old. Therefore I can't use how good they fuck to determine allowance value during initial negotiations. However, I can use their appearance.

Hell, when it comes to service, I've found age is less telling than their allowance ask. The more expensive they are, the more entitled they believe themselves to be, and the worse the sex often is. I've had great experiences with older and younger. I've never had a great experience from someone charging over 400.

Tl;dr stop paying middle aged woman the same as the co-eds. The expression "Men age like wine, woman age like beer" is said for a reason.

**Airmantroy** · 02-07-26 17:54

Originally Posted by GoneForGood97 [View Original Post]

And what does being over 30 make her worth? Spoiler: less. SBs become worth less as they get older. When an over 30 asks for a ridiculous rate, I have on occassion replied back "oh, is the age on your profile incorrect?" They'll usually replied with a ? or just confused "huh?" and I'll respond "Oh, since you're asking for college girl rates, I thought you must be in your early 20s and just made a typo on your profile" Generally I don't throw this out there if I'm serious about landing her since I presume it'll resort in a block pretty quickly. Woman are incredibly sensitive about their age (why they tend to lie about it so much) so it does get through to them when you mention it. They may call you an asshole and block you, but I like to think they are a little more realistic with the next guy lol.

All but a very few of my under 30 yr old SB encounters have been very underwhelming. Not all of them mind you. Where as my over 30 encounters have almost always been an incredible experience and almost always a repeat. This girl is delusional to think she can get 1 k ppm consistently based on 4 yrs of rub and tugs and a Ukrainian accent, and that's if she is even doing greek and BBFS, cip. Which I'm very doubtful is going to happen.

**Airmantroy** · 02-07-26 17:48

Originally Posted by GoneForGood97 [View Original Post]

Like I said, not a SB. Called it. Easy to tell if you know what to look for. Also her rates make more sense now. She's used to those Legalized Brothel rates that have to subsidize the brothel's overhead. That shit don't fly here.

Her $650 ppm would be a steal at the brothel. Their rates are upwards of 2 k or so I was told by a 300 ppm ex-pornstar who worked there.

**FosterWheatly** · 02-07-26 08:25

Originally Posted by Sneakey1961 [View Original Post]

https://www.facebook.com/shushaxiomara/about

What was her PPM?

Yes she looked good. She's 37 though. I think her seeking profile said 27. We agreed to 500. She said she usually gets that up to 1000.

**Harley32** · 02-07-26 00:32

https://members.seeking.com/member/8...c-bd2256674dfc

Really attractive of course but a scam nonetheless. Asked for $$$ but as soon as I made clear that would only be in cash in person, no longer interested.

**GoneForGood97** · 02-06-26 16:35

Originally Posted by Sneakey1961 [View Original Post]

https://www.facebook.com/shushaxiomara/about

What was her PPM?

TGTBT??

Doesn't matter if her PPM is twenty dollars. If she's a rinser she's just going to take your allowance plus whatever you spend on the date and leave you high and dry. Don't waste your time or fall for the scam.

**GoneForGood97** · 02-06-26 16:25

Originally Posted by Sneakey1961 [View Original Post]

https://www.bunnyranch.com/harley-ryan/

Bunny Ranch Girl.

Like I said, not a SB. Called it. Easy to tell if you know what to look for. Also her rates make more sense now. She's used to those Legalized Brothel rates that have to subsidize the brothel's overhead. That shit don't fly here.

**Sneakey1961** · 02-06-26 11:49

https://www.facebook.com/shushaxiomara/about

What was her PPM?

TGTBT??

Originally Posted by FosterWheatly [View Original Post]

Well I toftt.

Thought I had a helluva date right up til the very end. Went out for cocktails then the strip club but when we got to the room it went to shit. Gave her ppm and she shut down. Kicked her out at that point. It was truly a fun date up until the blue balls. Can't even call her a semi pro. Professional rinser yes.

https://members.seeking.com/member/8...1-f05c24dbcb16

I've played this game a fair amount and didn't see this one coming.

**Sneakey1961** · 02-06-26 11:43

https://www.bunnyranch.com/harley-ryan/

Bunny Ranch Girl.

Originally Posted by Airmantroy [View Original Post]

https://members.seeking.com/member/5...8-164ca0b2cd05

Was visiting till today, returms in March for a month. Wants $600 ppm / hr. Yeah she's not that good on her best day. Offered $300-350 she offered a 1/2 hr. Nope.

**GoneForGood97** · 02-06-26 02:19

Originally Posted by About [View Original Post]

Surprised she's trying to pull those scams as she is very easy to find on social media.

You're assuming it's actually her and not someone in Eastern Europe or India who stole her pics off her social media and made a profile to do some simp fishing.

**GoneForGood97** · 02-06-26 02:11

Originally Posted by Airmantroy [View Original Post]

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...c-91cb7b2e3ce7

Very straight to the point via texting, she says if she intimate it's 1000 ppm. "She knows her worth" and She knows they'll be crawling back for more. We had a discussion about managing her expectations and hooker math is strong with her. She didn't comprehend that 4 guys at $500 ppm over 2 weeks is better than 1 guy at $1000 ppm over a month time span and she's willing to wait to find him. I wished her luck and when she needs to pay rent let me know. I got $400 if she hosts. LOL Then she tells me she's been a rub and tug girl for 3-4 years and that she charges $350 for 1/2 hour. I wished her continued good strokes LOL. Edit to add- She is Ukrainian, that makes her worth more in her opinion..

And what does being over 30 make her worth? Spoiler: less. SBs become worth less as they get older. When an over 30 asks for a ridiculous rate, I have on occassion replied back "oh, is the age on your profile incorrect?" They'll usually replied with a ? or just confused "huh?" and I'll respond "Oh, since you're asking for college girl rates, I thought you must be in your early 20s and just made a typo on your profile" Generally I don't throw this out there if I'm serious about landing her since I presume it'll resort in a block pretty quickly. Woman are incredibly sensitive about their age (why they tend to lie about it so much) so it does get through to them when you mention it. They may call you an asshole and block you, but I like to think they are a little more realistic with the next guy lol.