Strip Club Reports

[Forty Four]

Thanks for the advices and noted.

What about the girls at De Javu, would you consider them independent or agency? I know their room is overpriced but the one at Lansing have good deals sometime and I still go.

The escort agencies that I was referring to in that previous post, were companies that you would call and request an escort. You would find them in those big, thick Yellow Pages Directories and newspapers like the Metro Times. I assumed that the internet put most of them out of business, but I Googled "Escort agencies in Detroit" and there was at least one (The Asian Hotel / Apartment agencies is still a valid business model though). The tipping viewpoint was that the girl deserved a tip was because the agency took a big cut of the payment. Detroit HAD active escort boards for years, so except for Asians, I never found the need for an escort agency. I'm guessing that the agencies mostly served traveling businessmen.

A lifetime ago when I was 19, I was best man for a wedding. Where does a clueless 19-year-old find a stripper for a bachelor party? An ad in the Detroit News sports section, that's where (I can't remember the last time I read a physical newspaper). I called and ordered a stripper, what a concept for a zit-faced boy with a perpetual boner LOL. I guess this could be considered a Stripper agency. An older and wiser guy would probably just ask a favorite girl from one of the local strip joints to show up at the bachelor party, and cut out the middle-man.

So when I described tipping agency vs independent escorts, that's what "agency" referred to. I'd describe Club Strippers as Independent because they do the legwork, and make the decisions, even though they give the club a portion of their take. Being Independent, she agreed to the price and should not expect (or ask for) a tip, and the guy should not FEEL OBLIGATED to pay more than the agreed price. A man may (at HIS discretion) reward her extra (cash, drinks, repeat business, etc). Personally, when I do give extra, I tell her exactly why she's getting a bonus. Then she knows a tip is not the status quo, she's getting extra because she gave extra, and she needs a repeat performance to get extra next time.

[Marelobo Mex]

I have almost never been asked for a tip, I have given them for exceptional service on occasion though, or I offer them a post VIP drink.

Strange I get asked for tips frequently.

I do not think people should most of the time. I agree that you negotiated at the table for a fair price, and unless she does something exceptional, then a tip is not warranted.

I do think tipping is a great negotiating tool. Regardless of what I negotiate I always have an extra $20 for a tip. I find that amount is highly appreciated and can be given as a bill.

When I am with a new girl, I will often tell her that if I am completely satisfied with the session I will add a tip. Or let's say she wants $300 and I offer her $200. She replies meet in the middle at $250. I will counter that and say I am comfortable at $230 and I will give a $20 tip if I am completely satisfied with the session. I am honest in my assessment, but if she give me an unresponsive hug or tells me I am going to slow, then I don't pay the tip part.

If I see 10 girls it is likely that only 2 or 3 will earn my tip. And since I like to repeat I don't tip every time. For example if she has what I perceive to be an orgasm (yes I know girls are good at faking) I might tip for that. If the next she doesn't have an orgasm or I think she is faking then I don't tip her.

Similarly I have had girls say they thought their session merits a tip. I respectfully decline, and they often offer can they do something else for tip. I might say send me a naked photo, or let me follow you on social media. To me those things are worth a tip.

But I do admit my favorite girls who I will see multiple times and have learned what I enjoy and are happy providing it to me earn the vast majority of my tips. I think the girls absolutely deserve it. If I am not sure a girl deserves a tip then I won't tip her which the vast majority of the girls I try out.

Tipping sets a bad expectation and girls should not expect tips from most guys, they should earn those tips.

JOC thinking about this now, I know girls talk and perhaps you don't get asked because you have reputation of not giving tips, and I get asked because the girls know I have tipped other dancers before and have a reputation for giving tips. This is interesting and requires more thought.

MM.

[Detroit Life]

Has she been working there a few years day shift? I think I had VIP with her or someone that looks like her before the one time I was there so far. But was pretty wasted LOL.

Yeah she has been there for a while, but very recently she stopped dancing and was working as a waitress. She also scrubbed her social media of all dance activity and was vlogging about her boyfriends re-entry and all that inmate stuff but I see that stopped and she is back on the stage.

[JackOfClubs]

Had a Saturday daytime off a few weeks ago and decided to give SC a shot, got there around 3 and it were not too busy, was approached by a mid 30's white girl named Stacy, a big boned girl with a mom body but she looked me in the eye when she talked, carried a level of confidence about her and she had pretty lips! I had noticed her once before in the summer and remembered she was quite popular -which all discerning mongers are aware that that popular equals good!!

I negotiated a BBBJCIMWS for a fair price which she accepted which was a complete turn on in and of itself and off to the back we went, I'm telling you guys this girl is phenomenal! I didn't last half a song! She told me she only works Saturdays so I can't wait for the next time I have a Saturday off and can only hope she remembers me and is not too busy.

[SopCop]

I see Diamond is back on stage at Flight Club. She was on that "I love my boyfriend" trip for awhile and was working as a waitress. I guess things didn't work out or the money wasn't right. She looks great and got a little thicker than this pic now. I have noticed more thicker girls and BBLs at Flight Club lately.

Has she been working there a few years day shift? I think I had VIP with her or someone that looks like her before the one time I was there so far. But was pretty wasted LOL.

[Arianabp]

Number 1. I remember you admitting to being a Newbie. Being humble helped you get many replies from others, where you otherwise may have been ignored. Advice, stop with the abbreviations and don't start using any stupid codes like "Dreams, Roses, and $$. 5". It will NOT help you fit in, and will actually cause you to LOSE credibility. Stop with "BO" - it means body odor, NOT Bogarts. Speak like an adult and you'll gain credibility.

Number 2. You ask about tipping. You're going to get several different viewpoints here from "Hell no" to "Always", with their reasons why. You won't find the right-wrong answer that you're looking for.

I asked that tipping question many years ago about escorts. Escorts are not the same as strippers, and the fact that it was many years ago make my comments meaningless, but I am going to share them anyway. For escorts, the overwhelming tipping viewpoint from the guys was "yes for agency girls, no for independent girls". Even the girls at that time would say, "I charge enough. I'd rather that you see me again and again, than get an extra tip now". Again, this was years ago when escorts had more "honor" and business savvy. A stripper with that viewpoint i(rather than looking for a one-time cash grab) is likely to keep me coming back.

I'd argue that strippers are independent, even though the club gets a "cut of her earnings". My thought on tipping strippers is NO, we made an agreement at the table for services and compensation. There is no expectation for a tip like there is for a waitress (where I always tip above 20% Yes, I have given strippers tips if she goes above and beyond (my definition what that line is). There's no doubt in my mind that she earned more than agreed, and I have no guilt in letting her know that. Yes, even without a tip, I'll let her know if I'm impressed and plan to see her again, and I honor my word. No, I don't make an excuse for not tipping. I believe that UNNECESSARILY tipping strippers does NOT make someone look like a "cool high roller", it makes them look like an insecure bumpkin trying to get a girl to like him (and the girl can tell the difference).

So what should you do? If the girl rocks your world and you're tempted to ask her to marry you, tip her instead (humor font).

Thanks for the advices and noted.

What about the girls at De Javu, would you consider them independent or agency? I know their room is overpriced but the one at Lansing have good deals sometime and I still go.

[JackOfClubs]

Number 1. I remember you admitting to being a Newbie. Being humble helped you get many replies from others, where you otherwise may have been ignored. Advice, stop with the abbreviations and don't start using any stupid codes like "Dreams, Roses, and $$. 5". It will NOT help you fit in, and will actually cause you to LOSE credibility. Stop with "BO" - it means body odor, NOT Bogarts. Speak like an adult and you'll gain credibility.

Number 2. You ask about tipping. You're going to get several different viewpoints here from "Hell no" to "Always", with their reasons why. You won't find the right-wrong answer that you're looking for.

I asked that tipping question many years ago about escorts. Escorts are not the same as strippers, and the fact that it was many years ago make my comments meaningless, but I am going to share them anyway. For escorts, the overwhelming tipping viewpoint from the guys was "yes for agency girls, no for independent girls". Even the girls at that time would say, "I charge enough. I'd rather that you see me again and again, than get an extra tip now". Again, this was years ago when escorts had more "honor" and business savvy. A stripper with that viewpoint i(rather than looking for a one-time cash grab) is likely to keep me coming back.

I'd argue that strippers are independent, even though the club gets a "cut of her earnings". My thought on tipping strippers is NO, we made an agreement at the table for services and compensation. There is no expectation for a tip like there is for a waitress (where I always tip above 20% Yes, I have given strippers tips if she goes above and beyond (my definition what that line is). There's no doubt in my mind that she earned more than agreed, and I have no guilt in letting her know that. Yes, even without a tip, I'll let her know if I'm impressed and plan to see her again, and I honor my word. No, I don't make an excuse for not tipping. I believe that UNNECESSARILY tipping strippers does NOT make someone look like a "cool high roller", it makes them look like an insecure bumpkin trying to get a girl to like him (and the girl can tell the difference).

So what should you do? If the girl rocks your world and you're tempted to ask her to marry you, tip her instead (humor font).

I have almost never been asked for a tip, I have given them for exceptional service on occasion though, or I offer them a post VIP drink.

[JackOfClubs]

I see Diamond is back on stage at Flight Club. She was on that "I love my boyfriend" trip for awhile and was working as a waitress. I guess things didn't work out or the money wasn't right. She looks great and got a little thicker than this pic now. I have noticed more thicker girls and BBLs at Flight Club lately.

Thanks for the photo, Diamond has a fantastic body!

i never took her back though because she does not work the room, she almost never approaches or flirts with anyone, she sits in a booth on her phone , i have never seen her at the upper level. not sure if that is the best strategy but it is her MO and she has been there a long time so it must work for her. does not work for me though as i like it when a stripper comes up to me and tells me sweet little nothings

[Detroit Life]

I see Diamond is back on stage at Flight Club. She was on that "I love my boyfriend" trip for awhile and was working as a waitress. I guess things didn't work out or the money wasn't right. She looks great and got a little thicker than this pic now. I have noticed more thicker girls and BBLs at Flight Club lately.

[Forty Four]

Let's say you brought FS from a girl at BO for 200. Do you tip after the service is performed? Is so how much? Also, are the girls expecting it?

Number 1. I remember you admitting to being a Newbie. Being humble helped you get many replies from others, where you otherwise may have been ignored. Advice, stop with the abbreviations and don't start using any stupid codes like "Dreams, Roses, and $$. 5". It will NOT help you fit in, and will actually cause you to LOSE credibility. Stop with "BO" - it means body odor, NOT Bogarts. Speak like an adult and you'll gain credibility.

Number 2. You ask about tipping. You're going to get several different viewpoints here from "Hell no" to "Always", with their reasons why. You won't find the right-wrong answer that you're looking for.

I asked that tipping question many years ago about escorts. Escorts are not the same as strippers, and the fact that it was many years ago make my comments meaningless, but I am going to share them anyway. For escorts, the overwhelming tipping viewpoint from the guys was "yes for agency girls, no for independent girls". Even the girls at that time would say, "I charge enough. I'd rather that you see me again and again, than get an extra tip now". Again, this was years ago when escorts had more "honor" and business savvy. A stripper with that viewpoint i(rather than looking for a one-time cash grab) is likely to keep me coming back.

I'd argue that strippers are independent, even though the club gets a "cut of her earnings". My thought on tipping strippers is NO, we made an agreement at the table for services and compensation. There is no expectation for a tip like there is for a waitress (where I always tip above 20% Yes, I have given strippers tips if she goes above and beyond (my definition what that line is). There's no doubt in my mind that she earned more than agreed, and I have no guilt in letting her know that. Yes, even without a tip, I'll let her know if I'm impressed and plan to see her again, and I honor my word. No, I don't make an excuse for not tipping. I believe that UNNECESSARILY tipping strippers does NOT make someone look like a "cool high roller", it makes them look like an insecure bumpkin trying to get a girl to like him (and the girl can tell the difference).

So what should you do? If the girl rocks your world and you're tempted to ask her to marry you, tip her instead (humor font).

[Marelobo Mex]

My only regret really is that I didn't have cash left to tip Jasmine. She was really going at it and deserved a tip. But maybe I'll remember to compensate next time.

As for the 2 drink minimum with SC, It's a little possible they were doing "surge" shit because of a Christmas rush or something. Or maybe that's just night time there. I forgot to add they wanted 10 bucks for the coat check too. I got the feeling they don't hit you for as much in the daytime. Maybe they do. Either way, I'm still hitting them up when I come back (whenever that is) despite all the fees. Literally the only girls there that didn't float my boat were the 2 skinny white girls they had there.

HK,

Jasmine will be thrilled to get your tip anytime you come in.

I usually go during nights because I work during days.

I leave my coat in the car or don't even wear a coat. It takes me less than 30 seconds to park the car and walk into the club.

Don't knock skinny white girls, they are one of my favorite flavors.

MM.

[Marelobo Mex]

WK,

I love reading your stuff on the forum, I think you post great information.

I am just one of many voices, and there is no right or wrong way to do things. I like to be respectful of others opinion, and I enjoy when people disagree with me as that is how we all learn.

It was mostly reading this forum that prompted me to start. I was super scared my first few negotiations. I thought the girls negotiate multiple times a night every night, and I negotiate like once a month. And they would eat me alive, I made many mistakes and I girl will always find a way to hit you a with hustle you have never heard before. Information on this board is one of the few ways guys have to even up the negotiating field with the experienced girls.

Read the forum all you want but there is no substitute for going and having successes and failures. It is a circle, so more guys go, and have a good time, the more money the girls make which increases demand and more girls become dancers to meet the demand. The opposite happens when less guys go because they got cheated, many girls earnings go down and with less demand some dancers leave or others never start.

MM.

Agreed! Before I began following MM's advice, my track record at strip clubs was uneven at best. I even quit the clubs scene for a year or so, because I was tired of being disappointed by the experience; but I returned after reading his posts and following his recommendations for how to improve one's chances for a successful visit. On my initial visit to BT's, I had a great first session with Devin, and that gave me confidence to repeat, and then return and try another dancer. And before long, I was going weekly, on friendly terms with a dozen dancers, and the bouncer shakes my hand when I walk in the door.

Thank you, Marelobo!

[Bacardi1314]

Stopped in after the disappointing Lions game to see who was working the pole tonight. Saw many familiar faces (Kiwi, Pixi, Bianca, Layla to name a few). Was waiting for about an hour to have Dream freed up. Had the bouncer scoop her from the bar and send her my direction. I love that she actually sits down and has a decent personality to her. Unlike some of the ladies who just come down and say "want to go for dances?" She said it was extremely slow for her tonight and she hadn't paid her tab yet, so BJ only was going to be $240. She said if I came back on Sunday, she promised she would have that paid and she would be more willing to negotiate. Also, knowing what I know now about her, negotiations should go extremely well 😊.

Dream left my table and over came Cybil. Mind you, I was still watching the Green Bay / Chicago game and she was being extremely patient on wanting to go to the back for the game to end for me. I leaned over and asked her about her menu, and point blank she said "I'm only $120 for everything, I'm not expensive. " I said deal, but you have to wait for the game to be done. As soon as Chicago scored to go ahead, we went in back and had a good 20 minute or so session. Opted for BBBJ & BBFS. Sh# started with several warm up songs and then crouched over and gobbled the whole thing for about 1 song. Climbed up in my lap and started slow riding in CG. After about a song I flipped her over and started going to town doggy. After only about 20 or so strokes I had already cum, but I ended up staying at it for what I counted was 3 songs. Pretended to cum at that time to then which she said “oh shit, you weren’t supposed to cum inside me.” I said isnt that the point of bareback? She said “well its gonna be on the next guys chin when he goes down on me.” Told her Im glad Im not that guy. She said “tis the season” to which I then got her digits and will return in a few weeks.

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Came back Sunday fully expecting to kick it with Dream tonight, but in the meantime, fucking Riley came over and got my attention. Promised me that she would actually not stop as I was finishing, and that's all I needed to hear. In the back, we chatted a bit, joked with Cybil who was in the opposite room “hoe yeaaaaa” (IYKYK). Riley did a great job at holding my cum til I stopped. 8/10, only cuz she doesn’t fuck in the club. Didn't want to wait around to recharge my batteries, so in a couple of weeks when I return, hoping to sit down with Dream will be my mission.

[Horn Knee]

HK,

Glad you had a great time, I am jealous, I wish I was there with you. Paying Karma up front is risky, and even though she still delivered she might have been more enthusiastic or provided a longer session if payment is at the end. Regardless as long as you knew the risk, and were willing to take it then you did ok.

As for the other girl you were likely smart to let her walk. Not all girls will deliver like Karma did. I recall a girl named Leela and she insisted guys pay up front and told them that before even leaving the main room for the VIP. I never sampled her but a few of my buddies did. They eventually caved to paying up front. They were thrilled that she didn't cheat them and performed the negotiated services but none of them repeated with her. When I enquired why they each said her session was mechanical and unenthusiastic. Just what one might expect from a girl who already had their money in her purse.

I am not aware of any 2 drink minimum at Criket, unless that started very recently.

As long as Pixie's performance merited a $50 tip, I don't see any problem with it. We should pay the girls what we think there performance is worth. I was once back with a girl, and it was my second pop of the night. I can be hard to finish sometimes, especially when I get hot. Yet she was determined to finish me. I offered multiple times to end the session, saying I likely wouldn't be able to finish. She insisted she would I would pop and told me to sit my ass down and let her do her job. I took forever; over an hour but less than 2 hours. She was super proud of herself when she finally coaxed that second pop out of me. I paid her what we negotiated. She didn't ask for tip and I didn't offer a tip. Then as I was walking out of the club it occurred to me that was just wrong. She was already sitting at the bar with another potential customer and I walked over to her and said I forgot to give you a tip. I handed her $100 bill. She gave me a great hug, and then I turned to the guy she was talking to and said I highly recommend her, she gets the job done. And then I walked out.

There is nothing wrong with tipping a girl extra if you are back there a long time and she gives you a good session.

MM.

My only regret really is that I didn't have cash left to tip Jasmine. She was really going at it and deserved a tip. But maybe I'll remember to compensate next time.

As for the 2 drink minimum with SC, It's a little possible they were doing "surge" shit because of a Christmas rush or something. Or maybe that's just night time there. I forgot to add they wanted 10 bucks for the coat check too. I got the feeling they don't hit you for as much in the daytime. Maybe they do. Either way, I'm still hitting them up when I come back (whenever that is) despite all the fees. Literally the only girls there that didn't float my boat were the 2 skinny white girls they had there.

[WinterKnight]

There is nothing wrong with tipping a girl extra if you are back there a long time and she gives you a good session.

MM.

This. I know I overpay most of the time, but I also get what I want most of the time, too. And, like the OP, most times it takes me longer to get aroused, and longer to finish, even to exceeding the half hour time limit and having to pay an additional fee to the bouncer. When the dancer puts in extra effort to accommodate me, I tip another $50-$100. This ensures she is happy to see me again.