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All I need to know is if CIP is on the table now lmao, if it is, I'm going to call her Baby Mac now. I wonder why she drop it so low from 380 to 300. I guess it's because theres competition between non CIP girls LOL.

An 80 drop is a huge boost in value for any girl, a 27% increase. It's the difference between a 15 Value Rating girl and a 19 Value Rating girl. Assuming Mac Baby is not allergic to nuts and has decent stats, it puts her ahead.

I'm going to list out some ATFs that I've rated ranked in order of Value Rating, but with their Total Score (Looks + Service) listed in front of the Value Rating. An S-Tier Looks A-Tier Service girl is 9 Total Score (5.0 + 4.0). I've only rated a handful of girls, but it shows a very clear pattern. This list is ordered by highest "good value" girls first:

Value Rankings - Name, Total Score (Looks, Service), Value Rating (hr bb price)
Nali 9.3 (A Looks S+ Service), 32 Points Value (360)
Haven 8.0 (B+ Looks S- Service), 29 Points value (340)
Purple K aka Tiara 8.0 (A Looks A Service), 29 Points Value, (350)
Kiko aka Gigi 8.7 (A- Looks A Service), 29 Points Value (370)
Allie aka Mina 7.7 (A- Looks A Service), 28 Points Value (340)
Baby Arin 8.7 (A Looks S- Service), 27 Points Value (420)
FA Isabella 11.3 (SS Looks S+ Service), 24 Points Value (320 GFE only), -30% for GFE only
Jenny K 7.3 (B Looks A+ Service), 26 Points Value (350)
Kuzumi J aka Ai 8.0 (A+ Looks A Service), 24 Points Value (460)
Jiji 8.0 (C- Looks A Service), 24 Points Value (340)
Lizza aka Dalli 9.3 (A+ Looks, S Service), 23 Points Value (500)
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Baby Rose 9.0 (S Looks A Service), 16 Points Value (700)
Premium Jgirl Y 9.0 (SS Looks B Service), 16 Points Value (500, GFE only), -30% for GFE only
Katie K 8.0 (S Looks B Service), 16 Points Value (570, no CIP), -10% for no CIP
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Premium Kgirl D 9.0 (S- Looks A Service), 11 Points Value (600, GFE only), -30% for GFE only
Average Kgirl 3.0 (D Looks, C Service), 10 Points Value, (340)
Dud 2.0 (D Looks, D Service), 7 Points Value

Value Rating Scale
20+ points: priority repeat
15-19 points: periodic repeat (high but not top priority, or premium girls)
11-14 points: one and done but satisfied due to "new girl" bonus
7-10: average kgirl (D-C or C-D girl)

For a girl to have a high Value Rating, she should have good looks, good service, and low price. That's it! A girl with very good looks, very good service, and very high price (aka premium girl) can manage to be "above average". What this means is I'll treat myself and see Katie K as an occasional luxury because she is so hot. But I'm not going to be repeating her all the time because I can repeat girls #1 through #8 almost two times instead. And those girls are amazing to me, too. Girls #1 through #8 are all normally priced, excepting Baby Arin.

Note that Haven and Purple K had special rates for a few weeks (340 bb and 350 bb). Once Haven added 100 bb, her value score dropped from 29 Points to 22 (I previously forgot to add 25% bonus for hr rate). So still good, but she drops from 2nd place to 10th place. I'm happy still happy to see her and any girl 15 Points or higher, I'm just going to see them less often if there is a better choice.

Next notice Kuzumi J, Lizza aka Dalli, and Baby Rose are all top tier ATFs for me in the 8 to 9 Total Score range (Looks + Service). They are each 3x as good as an average kgirl who has a Total Score of 3.0. So I consider them good value even with their higher rates. Just not top value like the girls above them. The top 7 or 8 girls in the example above are actually in the 7-11 Total Score range anyways. This is an important point - if you are patient you can always find great girls who are normal priced. And it might be as simple as taste - maybe I like Allie and FA Isabella a tier more than some other guy, so I walk in thinking I'm getting a real good deal. Lucky me! It doesn't mean someone else will agree, but the secret is other guys each have their own hidden gems that are normal priced. Find them.

Isabella is GFE only, so I dock 30% off her score because that's what it's worth for me. A guy who is GFE only anyways doesn't dock anything! His list is going to look a bit different than mine, but we're still going to overlap. GFE only guys are going to see Purple K, Haven, and Nali too. Otoh, for some guys they'd dock 50% or more for GFE only. Which means only a few top tier girls make the exception list for them. I only drop 10% for "no CIP", but other guys are going to drop 30% or more. That's why specs matter, it's why intel counts differently to each guy. I list out boob sizes even though I kind of don't care about boob size myself (it is nice but never a dealbreaker for me).

Jiji is the first example of a true service over looks girl that makes top 10. Not many C-Tier girls had A-Tier service probably it's just my taste but I was very compatible with her. The key reason she is 22 points though is she is cheap! So I felt like I could see her whenever I felt like, when some better looking girl was blocking me with her much higher rate. Not every premium girl was good value, but since they were all good looking at least they always managed to float above 10 if not above 15.

One flaw of Total Score is there is a Vibe and Pussy and Compatibility factor not completely baked into Service. I give girls I have a special connection with about a 25% bonus, same as any girl "1st time" for the novelty / variety factor. Girls keep that bonus as long as I feel it. And I do occasionally visit some butterfaces just for their pussy. But for the most part, Vibe Pussy Compatability are partially reflected in Service. It's why I know Nali is higher skill than Isabella, but I like Isabella's style of service and connection more. It's just up to personal taste there.

Premium girls rarely go below 10 Points for me. None of them are bad looking at all, but obviously not every one is my type. I really liked Katie K, but other guys liked her even more than me rating her S Looks S Service. And of course other guys didn't find her their type by contrast, maybe A Looks and C Service or something. For me, she was S Looks and A service my first visit. But after repeats I wrote down S Looks B Service for the average. Which is 5 + 3 = 8.0 Total Score. Since she was +150 BB with a high base rate, and no CIP (-10%), she was 16 Value Rating for me. But maybe I bring a 001 and enjoy her beauty and fun play. The calculation actually ends up 17 Value Rating if I see her GFE only. Which is actually about right because I did switch to cfs for that reason and felt it marginally better value. A GFE only guy would find her a true unicorn in both tier and value.

This is what this formula really does for me. It spells out my own priorities and matches what I intuitively figure out over time anyways. It lets me compare multiple different options between girls of different rankings and different pricing and options. It also spells out exactly why I'm okay with some premium girls, but that duds are the real problem. It also lets me reverse-engineer how hot Kora or some cgirl would have to be for me to pay 1000 hr for her. I wonder if Kora is ymmv bb inclusive, though. It is hard to verify since all my intel is old. But even if it were free bb at 1000, Kora would score 12 Points even if she were S Looks S Service. Last I checked, she was not. However! There is a special rule that in a kgirl desert like LV, NYC, or Nova, every kgirl is +1 Tier. I've seen this rule proven over and over again, our A-Tier girls are their S-Tier girls. If she were SS-Tier, that would still make her 14 Points. Which on my chart is worth trying 1 time for curiosity. But only under the principle of "I am in a desert and I want to drink water". Fountain of Youth indeed.

A guy with a much higher budget than me (aka rich guy Premium Hunter) is going to tack on a 25% to 50% bonus to premium kgirls. Or even just ignore Value Rating and only look at Total Score. My highest scoring kgirls are Lizza, Nali, and Baby Sugar. But central to that is my service standards are very different than a service hunter's. Lucky me.

A budget guy is going to drop any girl above a certain price likewise. But I do know people on a budget who see premium girls, it make sense if they find and pick a girl who is exactly their type.

[SsStuntCock]

CGLA has her listed at 380 +100. Either way, I'd verify rates carefully with booker before committing.

To your point, it's interesting that CG never updated Baby Winter's reduced rate like Get9 did. And it appears CG is behind the 8-ball, with new girl Inna in OC. That is, Get9 already has her rates and start date advertised, whereas CG just shows (in their ad).

[Stonkz]

I see Get9 advertising her in LA starting tomorrow with a -80 reduced base rate, so she's now 300. Same upcharges tho.

All I need to know is if CIP is on the table now lmao, if it is, I'm going to call her Baby Mac now. I wonder why she drop it so low from 380 to 300. I guess it's because there’s competition between non CIP girls LOL.

[Kaamper]

I see Get9 advertising her in LA starting tomorrow with a -80 reduced base rate, so she's now 300. Same upcharges tho.

CGLA has her listed at 380 +100. Either way, I'd verify rates carefully with booker before committing.

[SsStuntCock]

Do you know what happen to her? I thought she just went on break. Did she leave already? I was planning on seeing her again too lmao.

I see Get9 advertising her in LA starting tomorrow with a -80 reduced base rate, so she's now 300. Same upcharges tho.

[Stonkz]

Not you. My point is some dudes read "no CIP" not as a dealbreaker, but as a dare.

Girl: "Cum outside".

Dirtbag: "Hold my beer".

I call these guys The Diddlers. Lmao.

[Mrtyty]

As the bane of upcharge MILFs, I am sorry to say Sunny is not Thicc or Young. I think she has a tight athletic body like she works out, and she has a firm bigger ass than typical Kgirl. Many OGs like her looks and service. I heard someone said she dropped the upcharge for him cause she liked him or something, but upcharge is such a turn-off to me that I don't even want to negotiate. Only TYA Milan could upcharge me cause I could still be rock hard in her with cover.

Okay, thanks for the tip! When I recoup funds, Milan is definitely my next up. BTW, I agree with everything why'all said about Ria J, I keep thinking about it and didn't know I wanted another Jgirl until now. Kinda looked like a friend / coworker, so it made the session even hotter imo. Also, I asked Ria J how long is she staying in LA, and she said around a month. She said she might be going to NY for her next stop, so go see her while you can.

[BonerAppetitty]

But they haven't given up the Baby name yet cause Zia's also Baby Twenty with get9 irl. It cracks me up whenever a booker uses the HYA label. How else are they going to attract my attention without Baby label or GPA girls?

Intrigued by this HYA22 showing up on CGLA LOL. We just giving up on the overused Baby name at this point LOL.

[SsStuntCock]

I'm kinda feeling like these comments are low-key directed at me since I asked the question.

Not you. My point is some dudes read "no CIP" not as a dealbreaker, but as a dare.

Girl: "Cum outside".

Dirtbag: "Hold my beer".

[Kaamper]

Correct. Her first week she was easy CIP. Some girls change their minds, must be horrible getting creampied all day by filthy mongers right? When she was working as zia in dtla she offered cip. She must have had a bad reaction / experience and switched up to no cip.

Saw her when she was priced at 350hr, which she is now 330 if that makes you feel better.

All good. CGLA Min is back, so I'll creampie her instead!

[ShyBoy73]

I'm kinda feeling like these comments are low-key directed at me since I asked the question:

This isn't the only place for intel. When reports don't match, it makes sense to dig deeper. I have since pieced together that Zia / HYA22 USED TO offer CIP, but now doesn't. It's not about wishful thinking or delusion. It's just detective work to ensure I'm spending my money in the right place. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Correct. Her first week she was easy CIP. Some girls change their minds, must be horrible getting creampied all day by filthy mongers right? When she was working as zia in dtla she offered cip. She must have had a bad reaction / experience and switched up to no cip.

Saw her when she was priced at 350hr, which she is now 330 if that makes you feel better.

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GKS Stella has new ads now. She is too far away for me to see, so I asked for opinions about her from reviewers I trust and this is what I got:

GKS Stella - High looks and high service. White skin, tall, curvy, full figure, great tits and ass, 30s, skinny. Good dfk, good rimming, has a routine. Good English. Rate is 330 hh, 380 hr, GFE only.

Comment: Resembles Seolhyun from Aoa.

https://gardenksecret.cuties-sites.c...85/mw-ktown-78 GKS Stella
https://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/hotklovers GKS on HX

One thing you can do with the GKS site is look by area, such as MW / Ktown:
https://gardenksecret.cuties-sites.c...85/mw-ktown-78

Susie K aka CAKD Sochi
You can see Susie K aka CAKD Sochi, Boner approved. She is now 100 bb (150 bb in OC last tour):
https://gardenksecret.cuties-sites.c...ek/mw-ktown-78 Susie K aka CAKD Sochi

Boner feedback: attractive Pre-MILF, top ranks face for me.

P: Fake pics.

L: 5'5 ish. D cup. I'm going with early 30's on this one. Cute face, some work done. White pale skin with long black hair. Average body, not skinny not fat. Bubble butt. Scar under abdomen. Maybe tummy tuck? Other than the scar, the overall package is good.

E: Good english. She has the rich asian accent kind of like how wonyoung talks lmao.

A: Friendly. She is a sweet talker. Super nice girl.

S: Shower no preview. LFK with DFK. Decent BBBJ, she can go deep if she wants to. Multiple positions, no complaints. I think she can take a pounding. She is submissive. Like you kind of have to be the one to get the session moving to the next position or she will stay there forever lmao.

E: 350/ hr. She has + 100 BB and + 50/ MSOG.

Repeat? Was a pretty good sesh, but I'm looking for younger.

She was here earlier this year under Sochi in OC and Susie K in LA. Boner certified (Link) and a few reviews on LA and OC thread. HYA with big MM D's and a more exotic face, she kind of reminded me of Nadia in terms of looks / vibe. Her service was still new when I saw her, but her BBBJ and the view in DS was amazing. She told me she was a buffet for me to enjoy LOL.

Some more
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7189957 Sochi
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7189981 Sochi
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7244307 Sochi
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7191893 Sochi

Ads attached for Stella, they are recognizably her.

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I'm kinda feeling like these comments are low-key directed at me since I asked the question:

This isn't the only place for intel. When reports don't match, it makes sense to dig deeper. I have since pieced together that Zia / HYA22 USED TO offer CIP, but now doesn't. It's not about wishful thinking or delusion. It's just detective work to ensure I'm spending my money in the right place. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

No, it wasn't directed at you it's a general problem. A girl's ad doesn't list "no CIP", and guy after guy shows up not getting it. A lot more ran into this problem without reviewing. It's a dealbreaker to some people, so people should know about the error asap. People care about what they are really going to get if they make an appointment. The next person isn't going to get it, that's the intel.

Reports are a lot more reliable than ads. It's nice that the ad is now fixed. A great example is how you yourself would have been saved had you believed 3 reviewers instead of 1 inaccurate ad:
https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/sho...=1#post7446909 Ads are not intel

When a girl decides to raise her price, she texts the booker and her price rises that same day. So it is wild that a girl decides to go no CIP and that communication doesn't happen.

If someone got CIP in the past and chose not to post it here, we're obviously not going to take that into account. That's not on us, we are going to believe things in proportion to the evidence including who is giving the reports. The reports of no CIP were credible, and repeatedly proven.

I try to keep an open mind, so if I don't recognize someone then I just wait it out. Over time it becomes clear if they are a true or false source of intel. It's as simple as that and there is no other way to do it. I don't sweat small details, I'm looking at the general pattern.

One reason people are so skeptical when they don't get what they expect is lately there are people giving bad intel:
https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/sho...=1#post7447655 Shilling or Low Standards

I have most of them on ignore, but every now and then someone tells me they were tricked by bad intel.

[Kaamper]

No less than 4 people reported Zia as no CIP, but people still doubted because they want to believe the ad. This is the wishful thinking dilemma.

That's when wishful thinking turns into full-on delusion. Instead of "believe the evidence," it becomes "believe the fantasy I want to be true. " And even with four consistent reports, dudes still go, "Well, maybe she'll let me..

I'm kinda feeling like these comments are low-key directed at me since I asked the question:

"6 et9 irl" and Gangnam Secrets both have Zia listed as OK with CIP. I don't see "NO CIP" for her on any other sites. Is the no-CIP confirmed? That's kind of a deal breaker for me.

This isn't the only place for intel. When reports don't match, it makes sense to dig deeper. I have since pieced together that Zia / HYA22 USED TO offer CIP, but now doesn't. It's not about wishful thinking or delusion. It's just detective work to ensure I'm spending my money in the right place. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[SsStuntCock]

No less than 4 people reported Zia as no CIP, but people still doubted because they want to believe the ad. This is the wishful thinking dilemma. I choose to believe intel instead, which is to simply believe something in proportion to the evidence. Ads are not intel.

Some dudes don't just ignore intel, they treat restrictions as challenges to overcome. They read "no CIP" but instead of taking it at face value, they log it as "maybe I can be the exception," like her menu's hiding some secret waiting to be busted open.

That's when wishful thinking turns into full-on delusion. Instead of "believe the evidence," it becomes "believe the fantasy I want to be true. " And even with four consistent reports, dudes still go, "Well, maybe she'll let me. ".

What they don't consider is the potential for collateral damage. That is, ego-driven "exception hunting" effecting girls tightening menus, raising rates, or packing up and disappearing. One dude's need to feel exceptional becomes everyone's loss.

At that point, it's not about intel, it's about ego validation at the expense of the whole ecosystem.