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[TopGun9]

After not logging into my Seeking account for a few months, I am now prompted for a selfie.

As a married SD, discretion can't be compromised.

At this point, I am DONE with Seeking.

Time to explore other options, any suggestions?

[FarFarAway]

At first they were only requiring it from new accounts. But after about 8 weeks they started showing messages to older accounts at log in asking to get it done. Finally, they changed the message to say your profile will not be viewable by others until you verify.

The implications are clear: No more anonymous or unverified accounts. It's just my speculation, but I think the major force driving these new rules is that the site is hosted in the US, and so is subject to US Federal and State LE scrutiny, fueled by the FOSTA / SETSA bullshit laws. Other sites without these rules are hosted outside the US in countries where prostitution is either legal or at least decriminalized.

While I have certainly found a number of SB profiles belonging to escorts (use reverse image search, Dude), I have never encountered anyone who I thought might be a victim of trafficking. Nor have I ever met someone from Seeking who was not over 18 - and yes, I most definitely require they let me take a pic of their I'd when we meet before we get physical and before I provide any allowance.

On your last point, it is a crime in some jurisdictions to even message someone not an adult about sexual topics, so waiting until you meet is ill advised if there is any question.

Mainly, I want to know what you use for reverse image search. I haven't gotten any hits from Tineye in forever. Google image search also. It particularly will also say it does poorly on faces. There is one from a Russian website I used once that was pretty good.

[SugarLifeNow]

Hey everyone, Dave here, new SLN girl in Downey, her name is Bunni, and she is 20. She is very submissive and down for rough sex including spanking, choking and slapping. Loves being praised and DDLG play. Ok with and can handle a bit of face f*ing. She also loves being pounded in doggy with her hair pulled and her ass being spanked. Not into girls, but would consider anal. Is really about pleasing daddy and letting him do whatever he wants. No word on BBFS. Mid range PPM.

https://sugarlifenow.com/profile/owo.bunni/

[SecondLove]

But how are you aware of the new T&Cs, like the selfie validation? Will that apply just to new accounts or existing ones as well?

At first they were only requiring it from new accounts. But after about 8 weeks they started showing messages to older accounts at log in asking to get it done. Finally, they changed the message to say your profile will not be viewable by others until you verify.

The implications are clear: No more anonymous or unverified accounts. It's just my speculation, but I think the major force driving these new rules is that the site is hosted in the US, and so is subject to US Federal and State LE scrutiny, fueled by the FOSTA / SETSA bullshit laws. Other sites without these rules are hosted outside the US in countries where prostitution is either legal or at least decriminalized.

While I have certainly found a number of SB profiles belonging to escorts (use reverse image search, Dude), I have never encountered anyone who I thought might be a victim of trafficking. Nor have I ever met someone from Seeking who was not over 18 - and yes, I most definitely require they let me take a pic of their I'd when we meet before we get physical and before I provide any allowance.

[FarFarAway]

This is going to be a big problem as time goes on. I have a couple of photos cut off just at the nose, to give the impression they are for my discretion. They are of someone who looks good and looks like me. When I updated my profile, something happened to these photos. I had one public, one private. Now, both are private, even though when I edit my profile, I have set both to public. When I click on the photos, I get this popup:

Primary Photo Eligibility.

Your head must be in frame.

No overtly sexual material.

No violence.

Read our photo guidelines.

Not only do I have this problem, my main profile photo is just the grey silhouette, and now the button to share photos is gone. In the past 4 hours it was there though. This site is so glitchy, all kinds of stuff goes wrong. You block a profile but it still appears in search, etc. However, I don't want to complain, it will just attract attention from the mods that I don't want. I have two profiles on there, I've been able to keep them for a long time. I don't want to lose them, the requirements they are discussing will keep me and many other married guys off the site.

I recently had to go through my profile and purge all of the things that weren't OK under the Community Standards. This was new. I see many girls profiles that violate them, and I'd bet a lot of you have old profiles that do to. You just don't want to do anything to draw attention to yourself, otherwise they may look at your profile and require you to change it.

[Chupacabra]

Never, never, never, never, never send anyone money in advance. Not even $1. 00. You will never see that money again and you will never meet that "woman".

That woman's name is Pajeet Patel or Ngubu.

[Lexx1]

The dynamics have changed a lot. These days, older participants often feel the scene is less active and less genuine than before.

At least Seeking seems to be getting more young booty again, 18 to 20 yr olds. But I'm not dropping 130 a month on the site. I'm giving the competition a try again, sugardaddy.com which is exactly the same site as secret benefits. I've gotten some traction with a couple young baddies. A hot goth White honey and a cute Latina. 19 and 18. The entry price of 60 for 100 credits is alot nicer. Granted you can only message 10 girls with those introductory price credits. So choose wisely and research the girl before initiating contact. I like that your unlocked conversations last forever. Unlike Seeking where you need to constantly have a membership in order to still see your established conversations. Sometimes I've had a couple girls try and reconnect months later. And at 130 a month, which I'd rather put towards arranging some actual fuck meets. It's not a value added site. Plus the whole tip toeing bullshit around watching what you say and possibly getting banned is whack as fuck! On other true sugar sites you can say what the fuck you want on the sites messaging system. PPM? Sure that's fine! Weekly arrangement? Sure be my guest! Plus the other sites have a good amount of young pussy too. So giving it a small try again. I still do reasonably well with my other methods.

[BringItHome]

First, as far as Seeking's admin and lawyers are concerned, Seeking IS a dating site, though their niche in the dating landscape is for women exercising hypergamy by looking for affluent man. In other words, it's for women who want to "date up. " Seeking reinforces this idea by adding a lot of terms to the TOS against ANY suggestion of P4 P, PPM, compensated dating or even offering financial assistance to women for dating. That means your profile and in-site messages much comply with the TOS. You cannot use any language like "I'll give you $$$ if you stay overnight," or "I want a mutually beneficial arrangement. " Once you get her to messaging offsite (by text, whatsapp, etc.) you can talk more freely.

Next, as of June of this year, Seeking will require you to selfie-validate. So you must use real pics. But once validated, you can blur your face on your main profile pic. You will also be required to use your real first name on the profile. So calling yourself things like "DomDaddy" or "Nine Inch Personality" won't fly.

Next, if you want to preserve some level of anonymity and "OpsSec" there are limited payment options. I am not an expert on those as I disclose my real pics (and identity once I am in contact with a POT SB). You may need to read past posts for better info on alternate payment methods.

I suggest you spend a fair amount of time writing thoughtful profile info. Women on Seeking, especially HOT women can get dozens or even hundreds of messages a week. You will not stand out if you just have a single pic and a one-line profile. The two things a woman wants to know asap when looking at your profile are: 1. Is he safe. Meaning can I trust him to not hurt me, and 2. Can he afford me. Meaning he has cash to spend on me and is not the typical douchebag Chad she meets in a bar or at a rave who works as an Uber driver.

So write enough in your profile to convey you are good guy, and you are comfortable splashing some (not too much!) cheddar on a date.

Finally, get used to rejection, ghosting, and scammers. You may need to look at several dozen profiles to find 8-10 worth messaging. And then you may need to message 10-20 women to find one or two you want to meet and who want to meet you.

Last advice. And this is critical! Never, never, never, never, never send anyone money in advance. Not even $1. 00. You will never see that money again and you will never meet that "woman".

But how are you aware of the new T&Cs, like the selfie validation? Will that apply just to new accounts or existing ones as well?

[SecondLove]

Sup guys, I'm new to the SD / SB world but wanted to give it a shot. Been reading through this thread and it seems like seeking is the way to go. Other than trying to find an alternate payment method to pay for premium, are there any other things I should know to start things off right?

For example, do you guys use your actual pics for your profile and how much time are you spending to make your account? I know those things make a big difference in normal civi dating apps but not sure if it matters as much in the SD / SB world.

Thanks for your help and hope to post some new stories soon!

First, as far as Seeking's admin and lawyers are concerned, Seeking IS a dating site, though their niche in the dating landscape is for women exercising hypergamy by looking for affluent man. In other words, it's for women who want to "date up. " Seeking reinforces this idea by adding a lot of terms to the TOS against ANY suggestion of P4 P, PPM, compensated dating or even offering financial assistance to women for dating. That means your profile and in-site messages much comply with the TOS. You cannot use any language like "I'll give you $$$ if you stay overnight," or "I want a mutually beneficial arrangement. " Once you get her to messaging offsite (by text, whatsapp, etc.) you can talk more freely.

Next, as of June of this year, Seeking will require you to selfie-validate. So you must use real pics. But once validated, you can blur your face on your main profile pic. You will also be required to use your real first name on the profile. So calling yourself things like "DomDaddy" or "Nine Inch Personality" won't fly.

Next, if you want to preserve some level of anonymity and "OpsSec" there are limited payment options. I am not an expert on those as I disclose my real pics (and identity once I am in contact with a POT SB). You may need to read past posts for better info on alternate payment methods.

I suggest you spend a fair amount of time writing thoughtful profile info. Women on Seeking, especially HOT women can get dozens or even hundreds of messages a week. You will not stand out if you just have a single pic and a one-line profile. The two things a woman wants to know asap when looking at your profile are: 1. Is he safe. Meaning can I trust him to not hurt me, and 2. Can he afford me. Meaning he has cash to spend on me and is not the typical douchebag Chad she meets in a bar or at a rave who works as an Uber driver.

So write enough in your profile to convey you are good guy, and you are comfortable splashing some (not too much!) cheddar on a date.

Finally, get used to rejection, ghosting, and scammers. You may need to look at several dozen profiles to find 8-10 worth messaging. And then you may need to message 10-20 women to find one or two you want to meet and who want to meet you.

Last advice. And this is critical! Never, never, never, never, never send anyone money in advance. Not even $1. 00. You will never see that money again and you will never meet that "woman".

[ID481]

Christophe little bit harsh there man with the deceptive techniques you mention. HG, you, me and a couple others guys still kickin around this forum are the OGs of non-pros and sugaring. We've been around for a long ass time on this forum. Only difference is I had a different username back then.

Reading HGs posts over the years and how he negotiated with non-pros. I saw that it was a bit similar to my negotiation skills. Not exact but a bit more than a few similarities. And I would never call it deceptive. I'd say better a breakdown of money provided over time / meets versus only one large sum for one meet. Basics of quantity over quality kind of. That's just being smart and to me not deceptive. Deceptive would be something like the smash & dash. By either negotiating a monthly or weekly allowance to be paid at the end of the month / week. Fucking the girl all week or month and then not showing up to pay at the end of the month/week. Or the fake money in an envelope trick. That's deceptive, fucked up and being a straight thief.

And he's right the market is trash nowadays. For me a sugarbaby should always be 18 to 22, college age girls. They don't necessarily have to be in college but those ages. Maybe 25 to 28 max sometimes if they still have a great body and face. 30 somethings and above have no business being sugarbabies. It's a young honeys game. Non-pros on the other hand are a toss up. And you have to be open-minded on their ages. Because as Forrest said you never know what you're gonna get with non-pro ads. LOL.

So let's be cool with a fellow OG man. HGs been around since the beginning of our non-pro / sugaring shenanigans.

The dynamics have changed a lot. These days, older participants often feel the scene is less active and less genuine than before.

[Contenthigh]

Sup guys, I'm new to the SD / SB world but wanted to give it a shot. Been reading through this thread and it seems like seeking is the way to go. Other than trying to find an alternate payment method to pay for premium, are there any other things I should know to start things off right?

For example, do you guys use your actual pics for your profile and how much time are you spending to make your account? I know those things make a big difference in normal civi dating apps but not sure if it matters as much in the SD / SB world.

Thanks for your help and hope to post some new stories soon!

[HollywoodGuy]

But you have to admit it was a wild ride back then with the non-pros and the super cheap pussy we used to get and the quantity of girls available. I mixed in some sugaring back then. But the non-pros were so bountiful it really wasn't necessary.

I can only recall one girl that I saw about 10 times and never paid even though I met her on seeking. I had quite a few M&G's that went unpaid that turned into a hot date. But those were mostly one off's. If I actually got a real NP there was always some thrill in being the first guy to pay her for sex. And where many guys liked to play the experience off like it was some civi experience so as not to offend or make the girl feel like a pro, I used to do the opposite and make her realize that is exactly what she was doing. I don't even practice my civi game and haven't for quite a while. Maybe had one true civi experience in the last 10 years. A 3 week fling with a married college professor I was taking a class from.

I have barely been in the game for the last 2 years since one of my old GF's followed me to vegas. We live in the same apt complex, like neighbors, about a one minute walk away. She is the only reason I have been able to keep my sanity on this desert island. I have gotten very complacent in semi-retirement due to hoeflation and diminished funds. But I am grateful I got to experience quite a long ride in the so called good old days.

[SugarLifeNow]

Hey everyone, Dave here, new SLN chocolate girl in Washington DC, her name is Wynter and she is 21. She is looking for someone to help her get to Los Angeles in a couple of weeks. She describes herself as super submissive and loves having her ass f*ed especially while being choked and slapped. She likes giving head and claims to have no gag reflex but has never been face f*ed. Likes having her ass fingered and tits sucked on when she rides, but her favorite is doggy with a toy in her ass. Not into 3 sums MFF, but she likes girls and will do a MFF 3 sum. She said she wants her toes sucked on while getting f*ed and a girl rides her face. Ok with BBFS. No word on allowance.

https://sugarlifenow.com/profile/Wynnie/

[Lexx1]

Right on, good advice. I just find women so exhausting and irritating, with their constant games and shit tests and unrealistic standards and expectations. I had decent game but now I have no desire whatsoever to even try unless I've had a few drinks and she's right there. It sounds like you actually enjoy or at least tolerate the female personality, I envy you that.

It's NEVER free my man, you're old enough to know that one. LOL Good luck out there, thanks for the tips.

I feel ya on women's attitudes nowadays. Especially quite a few of the young ones. The whole "Me Too" movement fucked it up for men to just be MEN.

Oh and I know that my man. I've said that too before. That as men we pay for the pussy one way or another. But to clarify maybe I should say get it as cheaply as possible. LOL Sometimes I've gotten pussy just for having a great conversation with a woman. Or for a couple of drinks, dinner, etc. So what I mean is you're not paying for it directly. With the regular civie dating way. I sometimes refer to it as paying for it indirectly.

[Chupacabra]

Alot of mongers can get jaded by always paying for pussy. And not remember how to approach a woman just to try and civie date her. Have to balance your mindset and approach. It's not healthy always paying for pussy.

Right on, good advice. I just find women so exhausting and irritating, with their constant games and shit tests and unrealistic standards and expectations. I had decent game but now I have no desire whatsoever to even try unless I've had a few drinks and she's right there. It sounds like you actually enjoy or at least tolerate the female personality, I envy you that.

Plus as I've always said. The best pussy is free pussy.

It's NEVER free my man, you're old enough to know that one. LOL Good luck out there, thanks for the tips.