"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[FarFarAway]

On the topic of this thread turning into security talks: I personally find it productive to read about experienced people's input. It takes a few scrolls to skip. I sometimes wish we had an FAQ kind of section to put common pitfalls for newcomers, though. I was once burned for giving out my actual number when I was under the influence of the little head unfortunately.

At one stage, the Richmond VA sugar thread was the de facto national thread where people discussed it all. An archive was made there of everyone's most useful posts.

While that Richmond thread isn't what it used to be, there isn't any replacement. Anyway, the advice cataloged there is still pertinent.

[Georgiaguy57]

Ok continuing to stay on topic, has anyone seen Poison Ivy?

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...5-7e99c620b2b1

I met her for lunch and she is super pretty. A very nice goodbye kiss and thought things were on track, but then she started to ghost me about a week later. Maybe I was too slow to close the deal.

She wants 600 ppm, and I've never agreed to more than 400 before, but was thinking it might be worth it on the right day. It won't be the end of the world if I end up saving that $$$$$$, but still was looking forward to doing more with her.

I also had lunch with Cheyenne, but she is very difficult to get anything going with. She says she has online SDs mailing her big stacks of cash from other states, so we may be competing with that. Or she could have made it up for all I know, but it sounded like a somewhat believable story. Seemed like a sweet girl though, but certainly dangerous. However that is true of most of them on the site, as my recent experiences have reminded me.

I was talking to Cheyenne for a bit. She finally gave me her number like a month ago, but every time I hit her up, she's apparently always so busy and can't make anytime whatsoever, then apologizes and tells me she'll let me know when she's available. Weeks go by, radio silence. I hit her up one last time asking if she's free this week, received a one word reply: working. LOL. I just gave up and deleted her number. She's cute though, so I was pretty disappointed. Why did she seem dangerous?

I also talked to poison ivy for a bit. And yeah, seems like she's pretty firm on 600, would only go down to 550. She looked good, but not that good for that much.

Another month on the site and the number of attractive pot's keep drying up or straight up ignoring you. Seems like it's becoming like secret benefits on seeking.

[Peter Johnson]

And I don't have her Seeking profle URL, because I blocked her, but someone was nice enough to share her escort listing with me. This is one of the mentally unstable girls I encountered recently:

https://tryst.link/escort/kaden

Her Seeking pics look virtually identical. However, in person she looks AT LEAST 10 years older, and more like 15. Maybe early 40's? Well late 30's at least. with scaly, sun damaged skin.

I mean that part is perhaps forgivable, but the main point is that she just BATSHIT CRAZY and not in an endearing way, but in a "I'm going to kill myself or I'm going to get you locked up" sort of way.

I advise everyone to avoid her, but if you do ignore that advice, please share your experience here. It is guaranteed it will be a very good story, if not great, at least for the rest of us.

[Peter Johnson]

Ok continuing to stay on topic, has anyone seen Poison Ivy?

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...5-7e99c620b2b1

I met her for lunch and she is super pretty. A very nice goodbye kiss and thought things were on track, but then she started to ghost me about a week later. Maybe I was too slow to close the deal.

She wants 600 ppm, and I've never agreed to more than 400 before, but was thinking it might be worth it on the right day. It won't be the end of the world if I end up saving that $$$$$$, but still was looking forward to doing more with her.

I also had lunch with Cheyenne, but she is very difficult to get anything going with. She says she has online SDs mailing her big stacks of cash from other states, so we may be competing with that. Or she could have made it up for all I know, but it sounded like a somewhat believable story. Seemed like a sweet girl though, but certainly dangerous. However that is true of most of them on the site, as my recent experiences have reminded me.

[Peter Johnson]

Not on network news, but if it happened it would certainly be discussed on *this* site and we would all know about it. And just in general, I likewise am aware of ZERO examples of someone doing sugar dating getting busted by LE for solicitation. Some might worry about it, but when it simply isn't happening in the real world, to take serious precautions against it is a form of paranoia.

I personally don't take serious precautions against it. Instead, I take very simple common sense precautions.

And ok, we will agree to disagree if any SDs are being busted, stalked, or murdered as a result of their SMS or similar communications. You say "it isn't happening" as in 0.00, and I say it likely is. Everyone else can decide for themselves as well.

[Peter Johnson]

If you married guys want to discuss how to pay for membership, how to communicate invisibly and how to hide money. Somebody start a new thread on it. Call it "Ghost F'and Tactics for the Married Man".

I'm single, and I don't care about "discretion". Not sure why you think caring about privacy, security, and avoiding criminal prosection is somehow exclusive to married men.

But sure anyone can start a new thread, and anyone can post there. Or not.

[CrazyRocket]

Keep in mind that even Apple, which has been relatively privacy focused company, has recently bent over for Trump administration and struck down an app that made tracking ICE personnel possible.

Do not trust any big tech company at these times. They might even release info without a court order now.

Different times, different expectations.

On the topic of this thread turning into security talks: I personally find it productive to read about experienced people's input. It takes a few scrolls to skip. I sometimes wish we had an FAQ kind of section to put common pitfalls for newcomers, though. I was once burned for giving out my actual number when I was under the influence of the little head unfortunately.

[LotharioPK]

I talked to her and yes something definitely off. She says "I've never done this before", but then sounds like a hardcore escort once the conversation progresses. I think she insisted on CFS as well, but I don't remember that part for sure. Anyway just not for me and I balied pretty quickly.

I've seen Dixie many times and yes, she can be a little skittish at first, but if y0u are patient, she's a lot of fun. Definitely one of the very nicest girls I've seen.

[Airmantroy]

Half of this thread gets taken up by security-related stuff like buying gift cards and fake phone numbers and what have you. Can we move that to it's own separate thread and keep this one just about the girls, please?

If you married guys want to discuss how to pay for membership, how to communicate invisibly and how to hide money. Somebody start a new thread on it. Call it "Ghost F'and Tactics for the Married Man".

[FarFarAway]

As far as an instance with someone being outed using Google Voice, I doubt that would be front page news on CNN. "Google Voice Outs Monger". But there are news stories every day about someone's texts being used against them in a criminal prosecution, or similar.

Not on network news, but if it happened it would certainly be discussed on *this* site and we would all know about it. And just in general, I likewise am aware of ZERO examples of someone doing sugar dating getting busted by LE for solicitation. Some might worry about it, but when it simply isn't happening in the real world, to take serious precautions against it is a form of paranoia.

[TheAnswer4]

Half of this thread gets taken up by security-related stuff like buying gift cards and fake phone numbers and what have you. Can we move that to it's own separate thread and keep this one just about the girls, please?

[AtlPrince]

Unless its a high profile murder case or a serious offense, Google doesn't comply with law enforcement, specially if its related to dealing with girls LOL.

Talking loud and saying nothing. It's "safe" in what respects? What kind of attacks does it it protect you from. Your messages via Google Voice are vacuumed up by the NSA and Google is happy to give all your texting history to any law enforcement agency that requests it.

(And again, I never said using SMS or Google voice is crazy or "wrong". I'm not such a simpleton, and as to think that way. But just be aware of the actual risks and then decide for yourself).

[Peter Johnson]

Even if google knows or could figure out who I am, that does not necessarily put me at risk from what I truly fear. A SB figuring out my IRL identity and trying to parlay that into a score, or my SO figuring out what I have been up to. Those are the real risks in this game. And as I siad, the other indicators mentioned by the OP, I've never seen any of that. Even when I have potential for my sugar life crossing over to my real life, because of google being involved in my work world. Yes, I am careful. I use a VPN into the large corporate server too.

I never discuss an arrangement by text, not because of any OpSec concern, but because I think it is to my advantage to do it face to face. I also am fanatic about covered sex. I am a cautious person generally. I just don't see some of these other precautions as rational, because, as I said, I have never heard or seen of someone getting bit by not doing them.

Please relate an instance where someone was 'outed' when using Google Voice. Yes IK Google is terrible for consumers, and knowing that keeps me wary.

Ok, then makes sense if you are only concerned about SO figuring out what you are doing, or SB trying to blackmail or extort you. And if you aren't discussing $$$ over chats, then that lowers the risk tremendously, with no paper trail there. (As long as you don't use Venmo or Zelle for ppm...cash only, of course)

As far as an instance with someone being outed using Google Voice, I doubt that would be front page news on CNN. "Google Voice Outs Monger". But there are news stories every day about someone's texts being used against them in a criminal prosecution, or similar. That's not going to happen with Signal, especially with disappearing messages on. And again, there's no real downside to using it, at least if the girl agrees to move the conversation there.

[Peter Johnson]

I used to work for google before and google voice is safe.

Talking loud and saying nothing. It's "safe" in what respect(s)? What kind of attacks does it it protect you from?

Your messages via Google Voice are all vacuumed up by the NSA, and Google is certainly happy to give all your texting history to any law enforcement agency that requests it.

(And again, I never said using SMS or Google voice is crazy or "wrong". I'm not such a simpleton as to think that way. But just be aware of the actual risks and then everyone can decide for themselves).

[AtlPrince]

I used to work for google before and google voice is safe. The verification number that you use during signup can be removed and you can still use the gvoice as text only. You can repeat the process and can have multiple GVoice numbers.

Even if google knows or could figure out who I am, that does not necessarily put me at risk from what I truly fear. A SB figuring out my IRL identity and trying to parlay that into a score, or my SO figuring out what I have been up to. Those are the real risks in this game. And as I siad, the other indicators mentioned by the OP, I've never seen any of that. Even when I have potential for my sugar life crossing over to my real life, because of google being involved in my work world. Yes, I am careful. I use a VPN into the large corporate server too.

I never discuss an arrangement by text, not because of any OpSec concern, but because I think it is to my advantage to do it face to face. I also am fanatic about covered sex. I am a cautious person generally. I just don't see some of these other precautions as rational, because, as I said, I have never heard or seen of someone getting bit by not doing them.

Please relate an instance where someone was 'outed' when using Google Voice. Yes IK Google is terrible for consumers, and knowing that keeps me wary.