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  1. #14345

    Boom and busts

    Quote Originally Posted by Call234  [View Original Post]
    I will just say this, many of these AMPs come and go over the years, and sometimes we never find out what really happened.
    I agree 100% most of the time we never know. Its fast money, boom and bust cycle. Notable closures that left my balls hurting: Orginal Osaka (2007), Lucky on Kennedy (2016), Kims on Kennedy (20 xx), Han River (2020), Yoshiko (2022), Vinca / Sunlight (2025).

  2. #14344
    Quote Originally Posted by Bearing100  [View Original Post]
    A lot of amateur Sherlock Holmes on here, ha. I don't know exactly, but most LEO that I know could care less and would rather go after real criminals (& believe anything between consenting adults should be legal). But yes have heard that sometimes a neighbor will complain (especially in a busy shopping center & the AMP is crazy busy) and they / LEO might visit them and give them a heads up to chill. It seems like that happens in O Town regularly. Then when it does they have to find a new place. Which of course takes a little time. It's not like these ladies are drug users or killers or anything at all (In fact most of them are pretty clean cut / healthy types and lot don't even drink), so I wouldn't think it would be high up the totem pole. But you never know sometimes some of them get too much / a lot of times on their hands. Just speculating (Like others!
    I agree with what you have said. I am not clear about what happened to Sunlight. I had a very good visit there in June. My best guess is that it is another business in the area, or strip mall, that has complained about them. Also, that is a heavily residential area, so it could have been a local homeowner (s). I will just say this, many of these AMPs come and go over the years, and sometimes we never find out what really happened. All that being said, over a decade ago when I first got into this hobby, there were around 28 AMPs in all of Pinellas. To the best of my knowledge, there are now over 60 AMPs in Pinellas alone. I cannot even keep track of them all anymore. My advice is to just enjoy some of the others we have to choose from. This is still a paradise compared to many areas of the country. Stay safe.

  3. #14343

    So Whats The Next Best Thing?

    Now that Vinca & Sunlight is closed. Where is the next best option?

    Not interested in PT. They don't do BBBJ.

    That is a must- at least BBBJ and DATY.

    This sucks!

  4. #14342

    What's up with the area

    I took a look at Sunlight and Vinca are both closed at the moment. Don't know what's up hope it not perm.

  5. #14341
    I kinda doubt its LEO. Honestly if it was so distracting it might be the other businesses in the mall. They could complain especially if there is limited parking. Then the property owner might ask them to leave. That's what happened on Kennedy a few years ago when a bunch of great AMPs were there. Palace was there (different name then) and she had to move her place because some Karen found her husband going to the joint and she threw a fit.

  6. #14340
    Quote Originally Posted by RubMapper  [View Original Post]
    Interesting, do you know the reason? Is it because of community complaints, not keeping records of customers, something else?
    A lot of amateur Sherlock Holmes on here, ha. I don't know exactly, but most LEO that I know could care less and would rather go after real criminals (& believe anything between consenting adults should be legal). But yes have heard that sometimes a neighbor will complain (especially in a busy shopping center & the AMP is crazy busy) and they / LEO might visit them and give them a heads up to chill. It seems like that happens in O Town regularly. Then when it does they have to find a new place. Which of course takes a little time. It's not like these ladies are drug users or killers or anything at all (In fact most of them are pretty clean cut / healthy types and lot don't even drink), so I wouldn't think it would be high up the totem pole. But you never know sometimes some of them get too much / a lot of times on their hands. Just speculating (Like others!

  7. #14339

    License enforcement

    The department of health website has a feature to search disciplinary actions and complaints. I did multiple searches, going back three years and only came back with a handful of massage establishment results in Pinellas. None of our favorites were on the list.

    I searched for specific licenses. Vinca and sunlight come back current and "clear. " No complaints or discipline listed.

    I read the affidavit for the most recent establishment violation. It was a place in the 2800 block of 66th st. Finding was 2 men offering massage without license. The thing is, although the affidavit was signed May 1, the investigation was dated almost 3 years ago.

    My conclusion is that its possible department of health enforcement took place but it might be years before we see the records.

    Finally, I noticed that Vinca's license is only active since 2023 but there were 2 other voided licenses at that location previously. So their countermeasure appears to be changing the licensee of record, whenever they have a raid or other problem. Discipline and complaints from the old licenses is not visible in the public website.

    Quote Originally Posted by RubMapper  [View Original Post]
    Interesting, do you know the reason? Is it because of community complaints, not keeping records of customers, something else?

  8. #14338

    Seems to be a trend lately

    Quote Originally Posted by RubMapper  [View Original Post]
    I don't think they were keeping accurate records or they were making them up. Also I know they are licensed as well. Since they are in a busy strip mall, they could have been reported by the neighbors who were annoyed seeing numerous mongers coming and going at all time of the day and night, or heard noises through the walls. I can see them closing down permanentely not opening back up like what happened with the Tampa Korean Spas (Crystal, Orange, Yoshiko etc) a few years ago. The only number I know for Pine tree was listed on google which goes straight to the mamasan, but think about it, now where are all the mongers going to go who were frequenting Vinca and sunlight? Feel like only matter of time before they close down too.
    I've been noticing on the news that the authorites have been having a field day with the spas in S. Fl lately.

    Hopefully that's not what's happening here. 🤔.

  9. #14337

    Age

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnightpass  [View Original Post]
    Gator:

    Thanks for the information. I've tried for two recently; close but no luck. Do you think it's an age thing? I'll be 70 soon.
    LOL. I think every Monger on this board will give you the same answer and the answer is YES. I read about all these other Mongers, much younger than me obviously, looking for MSOG and I can only shake my head with envy. That's why Sugar was so amazing. Would have loved to see her again, but it looks like Sunlight is now closed.

    Stay safe.

    Gator.

  10. #14336
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnKelly  [View Original Post]
    I called there this morning and got some bogus message.

    I'm wondering if they are getting warned ref records not being kept properly, or if it's an immigration action, although most immigration actions tend to be in your face high profile operations. It's very strange how they just suddenly close but no arrests.

    Anybody got a phone number for a provider or mammasan who might quietly reach out and inquire?

    It clearly looks like something is definitely in play, and nobody could be blamed for laying low until the situation is more clearly understood.

    It will be very interesting to see if Pine Tree is next. Now would seem an opportune time for somebody to try to get a phone number for somebody at Pine Tree to reach out to for explanation if they suddenly close up too.
    Pine tree has been doing this a long time. They are not going to let that happen. And they are Korean. Totally different operations from Chinese. I'm sure all that was written about the two closed shops didn't help the situation. Let's respect pine tree and keep the details in DMs. Pick a lesser known shop and start a good relationship with it. The business is changing. Soon the best places will be private residence providers.

  11. #14335

    Outcalls in St. Pete

    Hey guys! Just curious if any of the AMPs in the area offer outcall services?

    Thanks.

  12. #14334

    Help

    Hey gents, trying to maximize my time in FL. Have the week off and traveled down through Jax to see a K-girl who decided to postpone her visit by a week. I've had some nightmares here in Jax, the scene sucks. I'm familiar with the O-town scene and was going to head there tomorrow, but thought I'd visit West FL to switch it up. But also because most of my favs have left Orlando...seems that's the trend with the new law. I'm trying to catch up on the forum, but it looks like a bunch of shit is going sideways and traveling to your town may not be a good idea?

    If anybody can help me out with some quick info for this weekend, I'd appreciate it. PM is fine. Even if I should go to Miami or Naples or some shit, that would help, I don't know the total FL scene well and I'm willing to drive anywhere to have a fun weekend. I'm lost in a sea of hit / miss reviews for diff cities and was even surprised St Pete and Tampa were separate.

    Is Orlando the only thing somewhat great in FL now? I'm an AMP and KAAMP guy only, so just checking.

    Thanks and peace!
    Last edited by BooBoo24; 07-03-25 at 01:38. Reason: Punctuation

  13. #14333
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnKelly  [View Original Post]
    I called there this morning and got some bogus message.

    I'm wondering if they are getting warned ref records not being kept properly, or if it's an immigration action, although most immigration actions tend to be in your face high profile operations. It's very strange how they just suddenly close but no arrests.

    Anybody got a phone number for a provider or mammasan who might quietly reach out and inquire?

    It clearly looks like something is definitely in play, and nobody could be blamed for laying low until the situation is more clearly understood.

    It will be very interesting to see if Pine Tree is next. Now would seem an opportune time for somebody to try to get a phone number for somebody at Pine Tree to reach out to for explanation if they suddenly close up too.
    I don't think they were keeping accurate records or they were making them up. Also I know they are licensed as well. Since they are in a busy strip mall, they could have been reported by the neighbors who were annoyed seeing numerous mongers coming and going at all time of the day and night, or heard noises through the walls. I can see them closing down permanentely not opening back up like what happened with the Tampa Korean Spas (Crystal, Orange, Yoshiko etc) a few years ago. The only number I know for Pine tree was listed on google which goes straight to the mamasan, but think about it, now where are all the mongers going to go who were frequenting Vinca and sunlight? Feel like only matter of time before they close down too.

  14. #14332
    Quote Originally Posted by RubMapper  [View Original Post]
    Interesting, do you know the reason? Is it because of community complaints, not keeping records of customers, something else?
    I called there this morning and got some bogus message.

    I'm wondering if they are getting warned ref records not being kept properly, or if it's an immigration action, although most immigration actions tend to be in your face high profile operations. It's very strange how they just suddenly close but no arrests.

    Anybody got a phone number for a provider or mammasan who might quietly reach out and inquire?

    It clearly looks like something is definitely in play, and nobody could be blamed for laying low until the situation is more clearly understood.

    It will be very interesting to see if Pine Tree is next. Now would seem an opportune time for somebody to try to get a phone number for somebody at Pine Tree to reach out to for explanation if they suddenly close up too.

  15. #14331
    Quote Originally Posted by SlackAction  [View Original Post]
    Have confirmation of LEO visiting sunlight.
    Interesting, do you know the reason? Is it because of community complaints, not keeping records of customers, something else?

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