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  1. #9753
    Quote Originally Posted by Urlboffer  [View Original Post]
    My perspectives on this are.

    I can find incall providers (some I've already seen and had a pleasurable time with) for a price range from $160 - $220 for a hh that I know I won't have to haggle or negotiate with at all (there's only ONE reason to visit them, and a massage ain't it! I'll get to see a photo of them beforehand, or have met them already, and I'll pretty much know what I'm getting into.
    Great add & I enjoy in depth responses so thank you for that. Yeah I usually do an hour & than boom boom or 15 minutes of massage than flip than boom boom.

    Than rest of time massage in areas of need. It's definitely a risk going to new places etc & wasting time & perhaps money. I have some go to places where rate is fairly guaranteed at $260 for hr massage plus boom boom etc, but it's far for me living in Beaverton in the Tanasbourne area to go over to Holgate in deeper Portland SE etc. I'm definitely either going there for my bday next week plus or a spot I go to in Beaverton they're at least 2-3 options I have but I do want to at least have 10 options on familiarity where what you're describing per se in your review is the dynamic for me & any way you slice it it's trial & error initially for everyone.

    The saying for me is you got to be willing to take L's at times in life overall with anything to get to the W's. As for photos yeah I'd text places & they provided photos & the main go to's for me mostly was accurate with slight enhancement & it was great. At this pt though I am considering just going in for FS especially being it's going to make it cheaper or half hour. Some of the places I go to the massage is solid. I do have my main go to spot called aloha massage in Beaverton when I just want an excellent massage & healing I go there only. They're times I went to a AMP to get off etc then headed there after to get an hr massage cause most of these AMP the massage ain't legit plus lots of sexual touching etc LOL & light touching to stimulate and get man X hard LOL etc.

    I would think they want house fee of massage so as a rookie AMP guy, didn't know that was an option to just get right into the action but wouldn't mind it. $160-220 yeah that's solid. Lowest I paid was about $180-$220 with someone I built chemistry with but ofc most men like new poonani LOL so it is what it is but like you said it's always good to have ole reliable in your pocket to pull out when needed. So I got to be smarter about this as a rookie AMP dude just starting like a month to 2 months or so now.

    Yeah the language barrier LOL in the middle of massage etc phones got to be pulled out LOL and time taken away just to communicate properly LOL so yeah it can take away from quality & time & make things a little unpleasant but once those kinks are worked out you good. For me Asian women are my favorite ethnic of women with Latina being second. I don't mind just FS by Asian women mostly etc. I would like variety of different ethnic ofc, but I don't think their is an MP place that isn't Asian that offers FS etc to my knowledge unless you do escorts, street walkers or peeps advertising themselves on Craigslist & other sites in which I'm not as interested in personally but I'd be open to it but idk seems even more risky than an AMP or meeting up at a hotel or these agencies type of stuff.

    The girls do tend to alternate too in these AMP's so that also can be a problem cause if you like one she can go to a different state as some of the ones I liked have or just overall another shop but that's why you get their numbers ofc & they tell you where they went to as some girls I frequent with do. That's true on previews / reviews. I went to a place called nice spa in Beaverton where a bud of mine previewed a girl named Eengie. I had a disappointing experience with her, as she complained about my dick being too big & said she liked small dicks plus she was very pushy on tips & asked me in middle of sex if I came already LOL trying to rush me & cut out time short of an hr to HH smh & went to deal with likely a regular. I'll never see her again. Massage was okay though. Yeah, I'm glad my homie enjoyed himself but me yeah it was disappointing. However, another girl came in name candy who was older but a sexy MILF with a banging body as she didn't charge for a HJ, plus some BJ action and boob action etc & some massage. I should of got her. I'm generally into younger women but always wanted to fuck a MILF. I would of had a great time with her but yeah just to lend to your example of previews / reviews of places I never been to plus no pics of girls either & relying on my homie's review of girls plus she wasn't as attractive as he said either which is subjective ofc but to him she was a 7, to me a 6 but her tatas were natural & she didn't really have an ass LOL as he said but yeah, it happens learning experience but it lead me to candy who didn't charge extra & told me even for HJ & BJ plus being able to fill up on her, no extra charge. She finished what Eengie didn't plus set the table for when I see her next time.

    Yeah I hear ya bro. $220 grandfather rate is solid so yeah I feel you. Great stuff man. Thanks for sharing. I can't wait for my bday weekend near mid March. I may try two one reliable & another new one or that candy chick at nice spa. Be well AMP brother salute.

  2. #9752

    Pricing and AMPs

    My perspectives on this are.

    I can find incall providers (some I've already seen and had a pleasurable time with) for a price range from $160 - $220 for a hh that I know I won't have to haggle or negotiate with at all (there's only ONE reason to visit them, and a massage ain't it! I'll get to see a photo of them beforehand, or have met them already, and I'll pretty much know what I'm getting into.

    So, to ME, the key allure for an AMP is 1) Variety and 2) a fairly reliable price cap; but one I'll have to negotiate for; luckily, my negotiations have been short (and sweet). The downsides are 1) Not having a preview 2) the language barrier, which pretty much prohibits any kind of "connection" and 3) the limitation to just Asian women.

    Thus, it kind of depends on what I'm looking for in the moment. If I just need a release without any connection, the AMP is probably a better bet than a higher rate (where you're talking $240 - 300 for a hh) for new "strange" that you can preview first, and read reviews of ahead of time, but risk is, you don't know what the chemistry will be. Even with reviews and previews, you will at times be disappointed. Late last year I saw a very well reviewed and previewed provider who I thought would rock my world, and I was completely underwhelmed, almost to the point of wishing I had never bothered. Them's the breaks sometimes.

    If I want to be sure I won't be disappointed, or don't want to spend / risk a lot, I can always return to one I've seen before (one provider I know I can see for a "grandfathered" 220 rate is possibly the best in the business, but of course, she's also very familiar now and doesn't fit the bill if I want "variety"; I go catch up with her about once per year).

    I guess the short answer (for those of you who don't like these long-winded posts): Depends.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mixedplate89  [View Original Post]
    Very valid & fair pts indeed I have paid premium or more because of the nuance of the overall experience with mostly one woman who really takes a liking to me & I to her. She has been total GFE with me & has texted me often & to me it's worth it. It all depends on what one values in said experience & how they feel within that experience with said masseuse. It's subjective at best. I don't believe personally folks paying $80 for FS as some have suggested or $200 total unless & I could be wrong but imo, unless:

    1. Women is older & not as much clients.

    2. Chemistry with said girl & being a regular going to see her weekly-monthly or in between that time frame.

    3. Not as attractive.

    4. Slow days & she'll take just about anything.

    Again I can be wrong with any of these. However, I think at best perhaps $240-300 with hr massage plus FS. Of course as you indicated their is a possibility of skipping massage & just sex for $140-200 etc or even getting 30 minute massage than FS. Not saying it's impossible & that it couldn't be any reason that I didn't listed. I'm just under that belief for most folks that it's $240-300 areas particularly for 60 min massage than FS etc or perhaps they can even mean just a BBBJ or CBJ, hand job with massage etc so who knows but yeah is what it is. If folks can get less for a massage plus FS cool. Think either way it's worth a shot to get lower esp if they get 3-4 customers a day at $100 min per day that's $300 in a day & $8400 a month. I'm sure a percentage goes to shop & they may get 70 or so Maybe 50/50 split between owner of shop & masseuses. Either way monthly low in they can make between $4000 & as high as 8 k-10 k & that's untaxed ofc. I think it's fair for $200 overall for a massage & poonani. Think more clients will frequent more but I get it supply & demand. For me I'm only going mostly once a month & at times twice a month so I don't mind paying slightly higher than most. However, negotiations tactics should be discussed some all open to it thanks for sharing your perspective.

  3. #9751
    Quote Originally Posted by SageSix  [View Original Post]
    Valid point, except if I *feel* something is a fast food value I will paid <$200 and if something its luxury food value then I will go over $200.

    Then if its 2nd visit, I will pay base on past experience and build from that.

    If one is just there for quick release and just to fill up their belly, then $200 standard rate is perfectly fine too. Quick and easy

    Or if you like some foreplay and massage before the main course and booked a 1 hour session and had a great time. Then pay what you think it's worth and not what it should worth. Especially those who has tried 4 hands and 6 hands and has achieved King of the World.

    Of course, being a regular you get perks and special treatments ^_^ for those that made it there.

    I don't know, I feel like we should also take inflation into account, after all it doesn't worth the same year by year. JK $_$
    Very valid & fair pts indeed I have paid premium or more because of the nuance of the overall experience with mostly one woman who really takes a liking to me & I to her. She has been total GFE with me & has texted me often & to me it's worth it. It all depends on what one values in said experience & how they feel within that experience with said masseuse. It's subjective at best. I don't believe personally folks paying $80 for FS as some have suggested or $200 total unless & I could be wrong but imo, unless:

    1. Women is older & not as much clients.

    2. Chemistry with said girl & being a regular going to see her weekly-monthly or in between that time frame.

    3. Not as attractive.

    4. Slow days & she'll take just about anything.

    Again I can be wrong with any of these. However, I think at best perhaps $240-300 with hr massage plus FS. Of course as you indicated their is a possibility of skipping massage & just sex for $140-200 etc or even getting 30 minute massage than FS. Not saying it's impossible & that it couldn't be any reason that I didn't listed. I'm just under that belief for most folks that it's $240-300 areas particularly for 60 min massage than FS etc or perhaps they can even mean just a BBBJ or CBJ, hand job with massage etc so who knows but yeah is what it is. If folks can get less for a massage plus FS cool. Think either way it's worth a shot to get lower esp if they get 3-4 customers a day at $100 min per day that's $300 in a day & $8400 a month. I'm sure a percentage goes to shop & they may get 70 or so Maybe 50/50 split between owner of shop & masseuses. Either way monthly low in they can make between $4000 & as high as 8 k-10 k & that's untaxed ofc. I think it's fair for $200 overall for a massage & poonani. Think more clients will frequent more but I get it supply & demand. For me I'm only going mostly once a month & at times twice a month so I don't mind paying slightly higher than most. However, negotiations tactics should be discussed some all open to it thanks for sharing your perspective.

  4. #9750
    Quote Originally Posted by Mixedplate89  [View Original Post]
    I am very new to this AMP shit & got a lot to learn. From my recent experience, an extra $20 isn't prevalent per se. In my recent FS experience at Nice Spa she wanted more than $230 originally so I'm like I had $260 I was okay with spending that. I said no to more as she wanted $300 plus. She definitely had GPS & generally other shops don't haggle but part of my issue is, is that I use public transportation so I'm like shit I'd have to go elsewhere & that takes time LOL so part of it is laziness & just saying fuck it I'll take it but that's one me where I got to say naw fuck it I'm paying this or I'm leaving. I have to have better frame when negotiating etc at these AMP's. I'm curious from your experience though when you pay $200 when they want more do they treat you less & or turn you away & say they're busy when you come back next time? Some have done that to me when I paid less in the past.

    It could reduce the quality of service but you're right if I pay more they'll expect more. Very few charged reasonably like at Kai yuan or Asian flower spa not for FS but extras & even said to me give me what you think is fair & they didn't argue it. Those individuals are gone though & in NY now. I do think $200 is never reasonable given how much they make monthly they can certainly be fine with $70 for massage for an hr & $130 extra equaling $200 for FS. Definitely going to try it next time & onward & say I'm good if they want full service & just start taking the massage. Ofc, I am dude LOL with a high sex drive so it's difficult LOL at times, but you're right. Thanks for the candid advice. Duly noted.
    Valid point, except if I *feel* something is a fast food value I will paid <$200 and if something its luxury food value then I will go over $200.

    Then if its 2nd visit, I will pay base on past experience and build from that.

    If one is just there for quick release and just to fill up their belly, then $200 standard rate is perfectly fine too. Quick and easy

    Or if you like some foreplay and massage before the main course and booked a 1 hour session and had a great time. Then pay what you think it's worth and not what it should worth. Especially those who has tried 4 hands and 6 hands and has achieved King of the World.

    Of course, being a regular you get perks and special treatments ^_^ for those that made it there.

    I don't know, I feel like we should also take inflation into account, after all it doesn't worth the same year by year. JK $_$

  5. #9749
    Quote Originally Posted by GoneIn30  [View Original Post]
    I've been watching these threads for a couple years now. And all of a sudden people have been posting extremely long reviews. Honestly is seems a little strange to me and it feels like some of them are just using a ton of filler words and over explaining all of the details. Shilling has been a recent topic and I feel like some of this could be that because if a AMP is slow they can have hours to type all of this stuff out and just mentioning a bunch of places to them maybe makes it seem less suspicious, plants the thoughts of visiting some of these lesser known places in our heads without making it seem to favor one more than the other.
    You could be 100% right or 100% wrong! But personally to me, whether they are shilling or whether they are genuine does it really matter?

    What category are there?

    1) Paid writers?

    2) Shop owners & affiliate (working girls) who speak / write fluent English?

    3) Regular customers who loves to share or being asked by shop to advertise!

    4) Someone who has nothing better to do and just like to make up stories on this forum?

    5) ALL OF You. For whatever reason you post on this forum? (Fill in the blank) LOL.

    Take away --> THE TRULY INTELLIGENT PERSON IS ONE WHO CAN PRETEND TO BE A FOOL IN FRONT OF FOOL WHO PRETEND TO BE INTELLIGENT.

    Let's focus on why this forum was created and just enjoy the journey ^_^

  6. #9748
    Quote Originally Posted by Urlboffer  [View Original Post]
    If you look at the AMP Ratings links frequently posted here, you see that there are any number of posted reviews behind a paywall. Price per month is pretty steep, if you ask me. I wonder if this "Cliff Notes" monger would pay for that, and if so, if he would be happy with reviews like, "Went (fill in name of place). Standard finish. Meh massage. Cute girl. ".

    Some people just don't like to READ. *Anything*. I'm on the opposite side of that spectrum. And I come here for the DETAILS. I can't STAND reviews so terse that they make me wonder why the f* the dude even posted it.
    Yeah first time user & still learning this site etc. They don't given the society we live in most have short attention spans, and are wanting results fast on things so they don't care for nuance or substance. We agree there. I'm not into the vague reviews whatsoever. Moreover, I would pay $47-69 or so for reviews on rub maps etc. I'd just come here for reviews & or find other free forums or talk to folks I personally know for real authentic reviews. I'd pay under $20 for it but not that amount near $70 or so.

  7. #9747

    I wonder if this guy would pay for the Rub Ratings reviews.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mixedplate89  [View Original Post]
    I was going to respond to him but most don't like to read & have short attention spans & I don't like passive aggressive comments. Furthermore, I'm very direct but I just joined & find value in this forum so I'm not trying to get kicked LOL XD so I said let me not respond. However, being you responded & reflected on things I would have said plus more LOL I had to reply. I agree. I'm the same way. I'm a detailed individual & that's how my brain works. I prefer details. I write how I talk in person being very vivid & expressive etc & English was one of my fav subjects & writing etc so I'm with you on that Brodie.

    It is very amusing indeed of his accusations. If he doesn't like it just keep scrolling & find shirt reviews. I personally value details & want to see things through the person's eyes as if I was there, encapsulating the experience in totality. Some of us are just like that. It's no biggy. I don't need to have fillers & or lie about things, as I said in my candy massage review. All in all, short reviews or not I have found value in this thread. We can agree that the common ground is just have details such as name of AMP, perhaps girls & the services they offer & perhaps cost etc. Most short reviews I've seen were lacking in details & most long reviews I've seen were not. Just my perspective.
    If you look at the AMP Ratings links frequently posted here, you see that there are any number of posted reviews behind a paywall. Price per month is pretty steep, if you ask me. I wonder if this "Cliff Notes" monger would pay for that, and if so, if he would be happy with reviews like, "Went (fill in name of place). Standard finish. Meh massage. Cute girl. ".

    Some people just don't like to READ. *Anything*. I'm on the opposite side of that spectrum. And I come here for the DETAILS. I can't STAND reviews so terse that they make me wonder why the f* the dude even posted it.

  8. #9746
    Quote Originally Posted by DickRk  [View Original Post]
    I go to the same places. I give $$ and they know the routine. FS all the way no haggling or I tell them go get me money. Then they stop and proceed with pleasing me.
    Fair enough. That'll be corrected expeditiously. Thanks for the objective constructive criticism.

  9. #9745

    You pay to much

    Quote Originally Posted by Mixedplate89  [View Original Post]
    I am very new to this AMP shit & got a lot to learn. From my recent experience, an extra $20 isn't prevalent per se. In my recent FS experience at Nice Spa she wanted more than $230 originally so I'm like I had $260 I was okay with spending that. I said no to more as she wanted $300 plus. She definitely had GPS & generally other shops don't haggle but part of my issue is, is that I use public transportation so I'm like shit I'd have to go elsewhere & that takes time LOL so part of it is laziness & just saying fuck it I'll take it but that's one me where I got to say naw fuck it I'm paying this or I'm leaving. I have to have better frame when negotiating etc at these AMP's. I'm curious from your experience though when you pay $200 when they want more do they treat you less & or turn you away & say they're busy when you come back next time? Some have done that to me when I paid less in the past.

    It could reduce the quality of service but you're right if I pay more they'll expect more. Very few charged reasonably like at Kai yuan or Asian flower spa not for FS but extras & even said to me give me what you think is fair & they didn't argue it. Those individuals are gone though & in NY now. I do think $200 is never reasonable given how much they make monthly they can certainly be fine with $70 for massage for an hr & $130 extra equaling $200 for FS. Definitely going to try it next time & onward & say I'm good if they want full service & just start taking the massage. Ofc, I am dude LOL with a high sex drive so it's difficult LOL at times, but you're right. Thanks for the candid advice. Duly noted.
    I go to the same places. I give $$ and they know the routine. FS all the way no haggling or I tell them go get me money. Then they stop and proceed with pleasing me.

  10. #9744
    Quote Originally Posted by DimSumFun  [View Original Post]
    It's really funny that someone who posts no reviews complain and accuse people of being shills. You can go and look at my posts and call me a shill if you want. Truth is I've frequented two main shops for the past 3 months. I write long reviews because I like writing LOL. I don't have friends who do this hobby so I don't really get to talk about it anywhere else. I'm wondering what people want out of this forum? I guarantee if I write something like "I went to candy. Had a good time" people would get mad at no details. Just my two cents.
    I was going to respond to him but most don't like to read & have short attention spans & I don't like passive aggressive comments. Furthermore, I'm very direct but I just joined & find value in this forum so I'm not trying to get kicked LOL XD so I said let me not respond. However, being you responded & reflected on things I would have said plus more LOL I had to reply. I agree. I'm the same way. I'm a detailed individual & that's how my brain works. I prefer details. I write how I talk in person being very vivid & expressive etc & English was one of my fav subjects & writing etc so I'm with you on that Brodie.

    It is very amusing indeed of his accusations. If he doesn't like it just keep scrolling & find shirt reviews. I personally value details & want to see things through the person's eyes as if I was there, encapsulating the experience in totality. Some of us are just like that. It's no biggy. I don't need to have fillers & or lie about things, as I said in my candy massage review. All in all, short reviews or not I have found value in this thread. We can agree that the common ground is just have details such as name of AMP, perhaps girls & the services they offer & perhaps cost etc. Most short reviews I've seen were lacking in details & most long reviews I've seen were not. Just my perspective.

  11. #9743
    Quote Originally Posted by BluePineapple  [View Original Post]
    I usually rave about Love. But the rotation lately has been questionable. Save yourself a visit until someone worthwhile shows up.
    Good looking out Brodie I appreciate you. In the next two weeks I plan to during my bday week I plan to hit up two shops & was thinking about that one but likely will go back to nice spa for candy & perhaps go back for MoMo to Candy massage but we'll see.

  12. #9742

    My standard payment.

    Quote Originally Posted by WarpFactor69  [View Original Post]
    Gentleman, a friendly reminder that you don't need to pay more, and if you do, you are encouraging them to expect more, and keep asking for higher prices. Two examples that come to mind are Candy on Holgate and Love on Powell.

    I have been to many many AMPs in the Portland metro area.

    I continue to get an hour of massage and boom boom for 200, half hour 170.

    As another gentleman said, if you get push back, an extra 20 will turn a frown upside down.

    Don't hesitate to walk away if a girl gives you a GPS attitude. If one place says no, the next place will say yes.
    I only do 30 min. I start negotiating for FS at 80 and end up at 100 to 120. Never more than 120. I love the ladies that don't mention money. Sometimes I reward them.

  13. #9741

    Great advice I like the truth & candid response

    Quote Originally Posted by WarpFactor69  [View Original Post]
    Gentleman, a friendly reminder that you don't need to pay more, and if you do, you are encouraging them to expect more, and keep asking for higher prices. Two examples that come to mind are Candy on Holgate and Love on Powell.

    I have been to many many AMPs in the Portland metro area.

    I continue to get an hour of massage and boom boom for 200, half hour 170.

    As another gentleman said, if you get push back, an extra 20 will turn a frown upside down.

    Don't hesitate to walk away if a girl gives you a GPS attitude. If one place says no, the next place will say yes.
    I am very new to this AMP shit & got a lot to learn. From my recent experience, an extra $20 isn't prevalent per se. In my recent FS experience at Nice Spa she wanted more than $230 originally so I'm like I had $260 I was okay with spending that. I said no to more as she wanted $300 plus. She definitely had GPS & generally other shops don't haggle but part of my issue is, is that I use public transportation so I'm like shit I'd have to go elsewhere & that takes time LOL so part of it is laziness & just saying fuck it I'll take it but that's one me where I got to say naw fuck it I'm paying this or I'm leaving. I have to have better frame when negotiating etc at these AMP's. I'm curious from your experience though when you pay $200 when they want more do they treat you less & or turn you away & say they're busy when you come back next time? Some have done that to me when I paid less in the past.

    It could reduce the quality of service but you're right if I pay more they'll expect more. Very few charged reasonably like at Kai yuan or Asian flower spa not for FS but extras & even said to me give me what you think is fair & they didn't argue it. Those individuals are gone though & in NY now. I do think $200 is never reasonable given how much they make monthly they can certainly be fine with $70 for massage for an hr & $130 extra equaling $200 for FS. Definitely going to try it next time & onward & say I'm good if they want full service & just start taking the massage. Ofc, I am dude LOL with a high sex drive so it's difficult LOL at times, but you're right. Thanks for the candid advice. Duly noted.

  14. #9740

    Happy on 4th Plain in the Couve

    Just saw Monica, she's my new favorite. I saw her at a place in eastern WA and got her number and she texted that she's now at Happy.

    The location stinks and it looks like a dump from the outside. A little better inside, but not the best looking place. Aside from that the service was the best I've had yet at an AMP. I'd never have gone in unless I knew there was a top notch lady there.

    Was greeted by an older-ish woman with bright red lipstick. Pretty cute, but was not there for her. Didn't get a name. Asked for Monica and got ushered to a room paid the house fee for an hour (. 6) and told to wait for 5 min. She left and shouted Monica's name and something in Chinese after.

    About 10 min later Monica comes bounding in, all smiles in her polka dot dress. Big hug and kiss and starts undressing me. Last time I did the whole meh massage thing for the first 10 min, this time I asked to skip it. Tip given, dress vanishes and it's GFE time. Little post game makeout, chat via phone translator, hot towel, water bottle and on my way.

    Monica is the most attractive AMP provider I've met. Maybe 5' tall, very tiny waist, but still has some boobs and butt. Killer smile too. Looks like a cute kindergarten teacher and very eager to please. Says she's 27, but I'd have guessed younger. Says she'll be there through the end of March. I'll certainly repeat.

  15. #9739
    Quote Originally Posted by GoneIn30  [View Original Post]
    I've been watching these threads for a couple years now. And all of a sudden people have been posting extremely long reviews. Honestly is seems a little strange to me and it feels like some of them are just using a ton of filler words and over explaining all of the details. Shilling has been a recent topic and I feel like some of this could be that because if a AMP is slow they can have hours to type all of this stuff out and just mentioning a bunch of places to them maybe makes it seem less suspicious, plants the thoughts of visiting some of these lesser known places in our heads without making it seem to favor one more than the other.
    It's really funny that someone who posts no reviews complain and accuse people of being shills. You can go and look at my posts and call me a shill if you want. Truth is I've frequented two main shops for the past 3 months. I write long reviews because I like writing LOL. I don't have friends who do this hobby so I don't really get to talk about it anywhere else. I'm wondering what people want out of this forum? I guarantee if I write something like "I went to candy. Had a good time" people would get mad at no details. Just my two cents.

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