Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[MarblesKyle]

Why would you even post this? It's not even a review because you never saw the girl. Just come on here to trash her because she was rude to your friend? Please enlighten us.

I see the chatter has been moved into the rants section where it probably belongs.

Everyone knows Bonita reads these forums, she's told me she participates in them but I do not know her name. But she used this site to "verify" me so she knows my name on here and my number. I'm not crazy about that setup but I guess that's better than giving someone my I'd or LinkedIn. After my last post she texted me and indicated that she would send me screenshots of the people texting her who are calling her bitchy so I said go ahead. We aren't friends, I'm not her White Knight, she just knows my number and saw my post and politely let me know she could show me what happened. I interjected myself in this conversation so I suppose it's only fair I see the other side. She sent me a series of photos. I scanned over them and they aren't good. I cannot verify who these texts are from and I don't really want to. I also realize that she can manipulate these texts and delete texts that make her look bad, or texts that make the other guys look good. I get all that. Just like on here, you're working with partial information and need to piece it together yourself. All I can say is this, if the texts she sent me are genuine, some of you guys suck. Haggling for lower prices or demanding a set amount of pops for your money while you're also saying "I'm on the way" or "I'm in traffic" is wild sh*t. Text what you're looking for, ask about rates, POLITELY haggle if you must, then book a date or GTFO. Stop getting personal with these women and calling them names. It's toxicity the industry doesn't need. If someone isn't a good fit for you, just say that, thank them for their time and move on. This goes for providers too, don't engage the jerks and give them a lane to get toxic with you. If someone is wasting your time just block their number and move on. Mutual respect from both parties, please. Let's keep this civilized.

I'm not going to get into speculation that providers are playing the long game and setting up fake accounts. I'm sure it happens. But, Mr Duck, you have 131 posts and only one of them is an actual review. There's other posts that reference previous visits but I think I only saw one actual review. You joined in the Summer of 2024. If you're upset people are calling you a white knight or an imposter, I'd start working in some specific reviews of your escapades in the industry to build up some credibility, especially if you are going to go to bat for providers on here.

I said it before, the exchange of any and all information is important. Everybody respect each other, don't get toxic. Don't be a weirdo. Block people that are toxic. Above all else be professional. Don't get off into the weeds unnecessarily.

With that I'll be removing myself from the Bonita chatter. I posted an honest review about her a few months ago, and will review again when I have another visit. If you think I'm a white knight, I don't care. If you think I'm an assh*le, block me. Carry on.

[DuckMam]

A few friends told me she is bitchy and trying to drive the market up, one was even on his way to see her and she decided to change her prices and plans for the hr encounter to be just a qv, so he bailed and she was texting him and being a complete idiot. I saw some of the text and was completely disinterested.

Why would you even post this? It's not even a review because you never saw the girl. Just come on here to trash her because she was rude to your friend? Please enlighten us.

[DuckMam]

Having a personality conflict does not necessarily equate a "douche"; some people just don't jibe.

Calling one a "douche" based off one comment (and not even an inflammatory or derogatory one at that) for no reason might though.

This forum is to share information. That's his information, and you have yours.

There was absolutely no point for that comment except that you know she reads these forums and hope she sees it.

First off, HIS info wasn't even his, supposedly he saw it on the phone of a friend. He admitted he's never seen her as he was disinterested after that. It's heresay at best. I think she went off on him and that was his way of saying it. How many friends do you have in this hobby that actually show you their text convos with escorts? I would venture to say none.

[AlphaTek1]

I agree she is one of the best out there worth what she is asking. Dude must be a total douche.

Having a personality conflict does not necessarily equate a "douche"; some people just don't jibe.

Calling one a "douche" based off one comment (and not even an inflammatory or derogatory one at that) for no reason might though.

This forum is to share information. That's his information, and you have yours.

There was absolutely no point for that comment except that you know she reads these forums and hope she sees it.

[Roman97]

I have seen her several times and not once has she been bitchy. She has always been accommodating and fun. Does a great job.

I agree she is one of the best out there worth what she is asking. Dude must be a total douche.

[JRH719]

A few friends told me she is bitchy and trying to drive the market up, one was even on his way to see her and she decided to change her prices and plans for the hr encounter to be just a qv, so he bailed and she was texting him and being a complete idiot. I saw some of the text and was completely disinterested.

I have seen her several times and not once has she been bitchy. She has always been accommodating and fun. Does a great job.

[Emmitt]

A few friends told me she is bitchy and trying to drive the market up, one was even on his way to see her and she decided to change her prices and plans for the hr encounter to be just a qv, so he bailed and she was texting him and being a complete idiot. I saw some of the text and was completely disinterested.

[LPeterson]

You're out of your mind. You're not getting anyone in that age range, with that body, drug free for that money. (Still not worth 10 k a month though LOL).

Is nothing more than a 150 hh LC girl.

[MarblesKyle]

I understand that there are guys who prefer a woman with curves. But when I think of "a woman with curves" I am thinking of Samantha Fox, circa 1986:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OldSchoolCo...november_1986/

Too often nowadays, "a woman with curves" is just a polite way of saying "moderately obese".

I agree 100% that ever since about 2006, curvy has just been another word for fat. However, I think it should mean a woman with curves everywhere, not just her chest. Samantha Fox has the Kate Upton body. Huge rack with chicken legs and no ass. Truly curvy women need some hips to them, IMHO. I'd submit someone like a late 90's Salma Hayek. She's a little more top heavy but still has some hips to her and is a little more evenly distributed than Samantha Fox. There are some women that have more hips than chest that I also consider curvy, but that body type is way less natural and is often entirely synthetic (Kim Kardashian). I'm not sure its fair to consider someone with butt implants curvy so I exclude the women using "Curvy PEDs" and I arrive at Salma Hayek. Someone like J-Lo has great hips but not enough chest to be curvy. She's like the equivalent to Samantha Fox on the other end of the curve spectrum. For context, I'm in my early 40's, so perhaps it's a generational thing in how we interpret this term. The 80's and early 90's were all about boobs. Asses came to the party later.

Splitting hairs, but that's what this thread is for. Bottom line is too many obese providers are asking for "curvy" money. I'm still sitting out aside from my UTRs. Haven't contacted someone with an ad on Tryst for two years at least. Pricing is off the rails. It's not worth the money and / or hassle.

[Todd Cincy]

I have absolutely no problem with a girl that carries a little extra weight, as a matter of fact, if she has the right attitude, they can be down right sexy! But the number of obese, to morbidly obese women is crazy!

I understand that there are guys who prefer a woman with curves. But when I think of "a woman with curves" I am thinking of Samantha Fox, circa 1986:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OldSchoolCo...november_1986/

Too often nowadays, "a woman with curves" is just a polite way of saying "moderately obese".

I like a woman with a "thigh gap" and flat, or nearly flat abs. But then, I am also a fat-phobic gym rat. I weigh about what I did when I graduated high school. (And I'm now in my 50's.) And I was an athlete then. If I can stay fit, why can't a 20-something woman?

IRL, though, I'm open to quite a few imperfections (weight, age, etc.). But if I'm going to pay for it, I want it to be with a woman who would be out of my league in real life, even in my youthful prime. Think: Playboy centerfolds from the 1980's.

https://www.babepedia.com/userlist/A...laymates-1980s

And as far as her "attitude": the attitude I want to see is the one that makes her diet and hit the gym.

I have never understood the hobbyists who are just looking for a more "eager" version of the typically fat middle-age woman. But again, to each his own. I don't deny being picky.

The real problem right now is that obese and old women are over-represented in the current market. Prior to the pandemic, we had a cross section. There were young hotties, usually priced higher. There were older and heavier women for guys who didn't mind that.

But today I looked on Seeking, and almost every female profile was of an overweight woman. Now, we live in Ohio, and there is a lot of obesity here. But not *that* much obesity.

[GinCincy]

Wandering: you and I both saw the Korean nurse Sora a few years back, so I think we are on the same page in our preferences. I don't need a 95-lb, 19-year-old college coed every time. But I don't want women who outweigh me, or who are old enough to be grandmothers.

My experience with the hobby (off and on since the 1990's) tells me this: the fat ones are always the first to enter the market, and the last to leave. (The same as the old and used-up ones.).

I sound like a broken record on this, I know, but I don't think we'll see many new young, fit women enter the market until the unemployment rate rises above 5 percent for a while. In my experience, that is the threshold required to bring in the hotter looking women. (The current unemployment rate is 4. 2 percent.).

FWIW: Things were just as bad in early 2007 (unemployment rate 4. 4 percent). I was on the old canine board back then, and every provider was either old, overweight, or both. (Of course, then, as now, there were guys who didn't care about a provider's age or weight, so long as she was "eager".).

I have absolutely no problem with a girl that carries a little extra weight, as a matter of fact, if she has the right attitude, they can be down right sexy! But the number of obese, to morbidly obese women is crazy!

[Todd Cincy]

Asking for a friend.
Are there any woman on Tryst or Seeking in the Cincinnati are under 125 pounds?
Good lord.

https://tryst.link/escort/omyabbw
https://tryst.link/escort/sexylexi69
https://tryst.link/escort/samanthaevans

Wandering: you and I both saw the Korean nurse Sora a few years back, so I think we are on the same page in our preferences. I don't need a 95-lb, 19-year-old college coed every time. But I don't want women who outweigh me, or who are old enough to be grandmothers.

My experience with the hobby (off and on since the 1990's) tells me this: the fat ones are always the first to enter the market, and the last to leave. (The same as the old and used-up ones.).

I sound like a broken record on this, I know, but I don't think we'll see many new young, fit women enter the market until the unemployment rate rises above 5 percent for a while. In my experience, that is the threshold required to bring in the hotter looking women. (The current unemployment rate is 4. 2 percent.).

FWIW: Things were just as bad in early 2007 (unemployment rate 4. 4 percent). I was on the old canine board back then, and every provider was either old, overweight, or both. (Of course, then, as now, there were guys who didn't care about a provider's age or weight, so long as she was "eager".).

[ZzTopSterZz]

Often wonder if we are fucking hookers and giving less or no sex to our wives are they really going without or are the getting it from neighbors, co workers, friends, your buddies.

I suspect mine may get some dick when she goes out of town with her girlfriends.

I can't blame her, since I started mongering our sex life has cut 75%.

It is difficult to get excited to fuck a older overweight woman when I can bang a 22 year old for $500 and she will do whatever I ask.

Maybe the wife thinks the same, I don't know.

Good discussion. For those of us on the older side I face this issue at home as well. First look inward. Are you physically fit and clean, do you have interesting hobbies and friends especially if you're retired? Second look at how you treat your woman. Are you kind, do you listen to her, do you appreciate her appearance and build her confidence regardless of what she actually looks like, do you treat her like a lady? Third, have you tried different things to get more sex? I've learned that I literally have to plan it out a week in advance sometimes. Dinner with these guys on Tuesday, bowling on Wednesday, maybe we can fool around on Thursday. And then really make time for it. Of course she likes the spontaneous roll in the hay at times but nothing like when we were young. Finally there's the reality that I just want it more often. I still wake up with wood every morning so this hobby actually helps me forget my dick for a day or two after every massage so it's sort of a win win in our relationship. I know she would not agree if she knew anything of what I do, but that's how I justify it to myself I guess.

[Mrrdfun]

You seem obsessed with her since she cut you off for ghosting her. Obviously you hold a grudge as she has plenty of good reviews here. Posts like these tend to be for revenge purposes and it doesn't seem to be working, probably time to let it go, eh? I think I would have moved on after the 4th or 5th time someone said they were going to be homeless, but it took you 100 times for that? Are you just stalking her? Move on salamander and quit harassing her.

I am pretty much past my expiration date when it comes to paying for sex. I don't have the money and the ED sucks the life out of me. I would really rather Netflix and cuddle at this point. I a met Bonita through this site. She is the only person I have seen since I met her. I have seen her professionally and socially. Does she have issues, of course, we all do. When you get to know her, she is very open about them. Her problems are legit things that have nothing to do with drugs or pimps, neither of which she does or has. I posted, yesterday I think, that she visited me. That is very true. She was out of doors and I insisted she spend the night. There was no sex or anythihg of the sort. I was being a friend. Matter of factly, she slept in a recliner in my living room.

To echo what a few others have said, she has never once asked me for money, no matter how desperate she is. Her background and culture makes it hard for her to accept any help because, like many, she has been burned to those offering 'help', when in fact they had ulterior motives. Do I White Knight her a bit, yes. She is actually a doll, almost literally, and when her guard is down she is absolutely adorable. How well would any if us handle being a provider? I know I would struggle with the uncertainty and viciousness of some mongers. If she tells me she is running deal, I pass it along because there maybe someone out there who wants to see her but not at $$$ As a matter of fact, she and I have discussed the market and how her pricing impacts her business. Anywho, sorry for blathering on. Everyone I sees things from a different perspective. There have been times she pissed me off so bad but I know the person underneath. YMMV, and will, with any provider.

Happy New Year to everyone and be safe in 2025!

[Mrrdfun]

There is a definite shortage of young spinners, and I think that may be permanent. The spinners in this business are one slip away from a fatal overdose, and so many of them are gone now I have long ago lost count. It may be a positive sign for society that the pipeline of young spinners on Listrawler is down, because actual use of opioids is down among the Gen Z crowd, and the ones who aren't hopelessly addicted but want to do this feel like they'd rather try their hand at milking money out of dumb guys on sugardaddy sites, or else they can just get jobs, because the labor market continues to be pretty decent. I do have a longish-term UTR I've just had to kick to the curb because, yes, she is a spinner, but her drug use has gotten completely and obviously out of control and I just don't want to be around for the final innings. Seen too many casualties. And too many of these women in the final stages seem to be going for the absolute death spiral of mixing in meth and tranq. Don't need anymore of that.

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