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  1. #21420

    New members

    Quote Originally Posted by Gourmand56  [View Original Post]
    Did you intend to quote me? Because this doesn't have anything to do with what I said.
    This board is for sharing information. Information goes both ways.

    DMV is a reliable source of information. He's contributed lots of valuable information to the community.

    I specifically asked where are your reviews. I read all of your posts. I'm sensing you're a female. this is the type of information females want. Looking forward to reading your first review.

    To these girls, you're just another dick with a dollar.

  2. #21419

    Pii

    I'm still new to this page and have not tried an agency / provider yet, because honestly I'm a little nervous venturing outside of AMPs. What does PII mean personal info?

    Quote Originally Posted by BushBaby  [View Original Post]
    Providers need to see clients in order to pay bills, clients don't need to see providers; we want to see them but we don't need to see them. We have the leverage as far as what is acceptable screening, etc. If the majority of us refuse to give up PII, then providers will have no choice but to stop asking for it, or they'll go out of business. The only reason they keep asking for it is because enough guys are still sending it to them.

  3. #21418

    Remember

    Providers need to see clients in order to pay bills, clients don't need to see providers; we want to see them but we don't need to see them. We have the leverage as far as what is acceptable screening, etc. If the majority of us refuse to give up PII, then providers will have no choice but to stop asking for it, or they'll go out of business. The only reason they keep asking for it is because enough guys are still sending it to them.

  4. #21417
    Quote Originally Posted by DmvTrickGawd  [View Original Post]
    Just move on" is okay advice too, but it's passive and leaves it open for these broads out here to sway you otherwise.
    So you think you'll be swayed if you're not combative with the girls?? Because that would speak to a whole set of issues that you might need to work on. Issues having nothing to do with how a man should or shouldn't go about enjoying himself in this hobby.

    That's my issue with some of the advice I'm seeing here. Some of it isn't rooted in best practices, it's rooted in some weird need to teach these "broads" a lesson. LOL and that sounds exhausting. I thought the goal was pleasure. If I were young, impressionable, and inexperienced in the hobby, I would find that shit absolutely depressing. I fear you all might be scaring people away with some of this stuff.

    This is the proper advice: Assess the risks / costs, do you what you're comfortable with within the parameters of that assessment, and hobby accordingly. Don't let anyone, provider or hobbyist, dictate how you navigate all of this. Only you know your circumstances.

  5. #21416
    Quote Originally Posted by ShootAndRoll  [View Original Post]
    You got some free info from the community. Now it's time to put up some reviews.

    Everyone goes through their trial and error period. Some get burned and some get Physically hurt. Read the last post in the News thread. When I read some of these comments that sound risky I'm always looking over at how many posts the person has made. You'll figure this out.

    An old bull and a young bull are sitting on a mountain and they see a whole bunch of cows in a pasture. The young bull says to the old bull, Hey, let's run down and fuck one of them. And the old bull says, No, let's walk down there and fuck all of them.
    Did you intend to quote me? Because this doesn't have anything to do with what I said.

  6. #21415

    Thank you

    Quote Originally Posted by ShootAndRoll  [View Original Post]
    You got some free info from the community. Now it's time to put up some reviews.

    Everyone goes through their trial and error period. Some get burned and some get Physically hurt. Read the last post in the News thread. When I read some of these comments that sound risky I'm always looking over at how many posts the person has made. You'll figure this out. Senior members have passed on some valuable information.

    An old bull and a young bull are sitting on a mountain and they see a whole bunch of cows in a pasture. The young bull says to the old bull, Hey, let's run down and fuck one of them. And the old bull says, No, let's walk down there and fuck all of them.
    I just noticed the post count of that guy. And to that guy, I don't argue with these hoes man. When she asks for all that PII I say "no" then she gets mad and goes on a rant. Depending on my mood, I'll cuss her out, but most times I don't. And yeah ShootRoll, you're 100% right. The elders here continue to pass good information. Others have made good points too and not just because I agree with them. "Just move on" is okay advice too, but it's passive and leaves it open for these broads out here to sway you otherwise.

  7. #21414

    Knowledge is power experience comes with time

    Quote Originally Posted by Gourmand56  [View Original Post]
    LOL you said it wasn't preachy and then proceeded to give a sermon. I really don't understand the indignation. And why are you having arguments with providers about it anyway? I'm not going to sit here and tell some girl I never even met how she should navigate this business or what her risks are. That sounds exhausting. If we're not on the same page, I'll just move on.
    You got some free info from the community. Now it's time to put up some reviews.

    Everyone goes through their trial and error period. Some get burned and some get Physically hurt. Read the last post in the News thread. When I read some of these comments that sound risky I'm always looking over at how many posts the person has made. You'll figure this out.

    An old bull and a young bull are sitting on a mountain and they see a whole bunch of cows in a pasture. The young bull says to the old bull, Hey, let's run down and fuck one of them. And the old bull says, No, let's walk down there and fuck all of them.

  8. #21413
    Quote Originally Posted by DmvTrickGawd  [View Original Post]
    It's adding to the chorus that providing your PII to a provider is one of the most self sabotaging things you can do. We also "preach" to counter all of the arguments that a provider will make as to why that information should (or must) be given. So, just like mongers have to accept risk, the providers should accept risk as well and recognize that the vast majority of guys are not criminals, serial killers, rapists etc. A similar argument can be made for the demand for a deposit. We all will be "preachy" about that too when you consider that most of them are scams. So with PII, always consider that it's a possibility that you could get something in the mail, or an email to your company, or a phone call on your personal line that you don't want.
    LOL you said it wasn't preachy and then proceeded to give a sermon. I really don't understand the indignation. And why are you having arguments with providers about it anyway? I'm not going to sit here and tell some girl I never even met how she should navigate this business or what her risks are. That sounds exhausting. If we're not on the same page, I'll just move on.

  9. #21412

    Threatening messages

    Quote Originally Posted by DmvTrickGawd  [View Original Post]
    It's adding to the chorus that providing your PII to a provider is one of the most self sabotaging things you can do. We also "preach" to counter all of the arguments that a provider will make as to why that information should (or must) be given. So, just like mongers have to accept risk, the providers should accept risk as well and recognize that the vast majority of guys are not criminals, serial killers, rapists etc. A similar argument can be made for the demand for a deposit. We all will be "preachy" about that too when you consider that most of them are scams. So with PII, always consider that it's a possibility that you could get something in the mail, or an email to your company, or a phone call on your personal line that you don't want..
    Can't agree anymore. Besides, you guys try to use burner phone as much as you can when you arrange an schedule with a provider. I don't know how they steal your number, but once they get it, you might get messages very annoying. You then just can ignore them but who knows they create another way that could be a real threat to your life and career.

  10. #21411

    Always be discreet

    Quote Originally Posted by DmvTrickGawd  [View Original Post]
    It's adding to the chorus that providing your PII to a provider is one of the most self sabotaging things you can do. We also "preach" to counter all of the arguments that a provider will make as to why that information should (or must) be given. So, just like mongers have to accept risk, the providers should accept risk as well and recognize that the vast majority of guys are not criminals, serial killers, rapists etc. A similar argument can be made for the demand for a deposit. We all will be "preachy" about that too when you consider that most of them are scams. So with PII, always consider that it's a possibility that you could get something in the mail, or an email to your company, or a phone call on your personal line that you don't want..
    And it's not preachy. What we do affects us all. If you start paying $400 for mediocrity, the price goes up for all. So don't. If you start giving away PII, then more requests for it comes up. So don't.

    The Board is for us men to share information and mitigate our collective risks and understand / guide / control the market.

    To no one in particular: Don't be that guy that messes it up for all.

  11. #21410

    It's not preachy

    Quote Originally Posted by Gourmand56  [View Original Post]
    The first sentence is the correct one. I totally get why people may decide against providing PII. What I don't understand why y'all are so preachy about this. Every man here is capable of assessing any risks and making decisions accordingly. It feels like some of you take it very personally that some of them ask for this. What happened to just moving on to the next one?
    It's adding to the chorus that providing your PII to a provider is one of the most self sabotaging things you can do. We also "preach" to counter all of the arguments that a provider will make as to why that information should (or must) be given. So, just like mongers have to accept risk, the providers should accept risk as well and recognize that the vast majority of guys are not criminals, serial killers, rapists etc. A similar argument can be made for the demand for a deposit. We all will be "preachy" about that too when you consider that most of them are scams. So with PII, always consider that it's a possibility that you could get something in the mail, or an email to your company, or a phone call on your personal line that you don't want.

    Always be discreet. Take care.

  12. #21409

    Playing stupid games win stupid prizes

    Quote Originally Posted by TomMcAn  [View Original Post]
    I don't care what she or any other provider says. There is no justifiable reason a provider needs to see a potential customer's driver's license, LinkedIn profile, business card or employment info, or other personal identifying information (PII). It's frankly none of their business. I seriously doubt any of us has asked for similar info from providers.
    Giving away Personal / Sensitive information is a way to invite extortion. Criminals will sell off their customer list. Find another provider to visit. Most of the time the girls in the photos are not even the girl you're gonna go see at some of these agencies, especially the crap shoots.

    I suspect the crap shoots advertise on this page pretending to be mongers. They're not too hard to spot out. If you're thinking crap shoots have ethical business behavior. You're thinking with the wrong head.

    Who wants to lose half of their stuff. Divorce can be expensive. Never give out your personal and sensitive information. Always use a burner phone. Create a burner email address to activate the burner phone. Separate your personal and mongering life. Successful criminals are smart. Cell phones will link to social media and offer suggestions of people you may know. Have you ever wondered why the providers pop up on your Facebook page as possible, friends.

    Many people are gullible, and we can expect this to continue ~ P. T. Barnum.

  13. #21408
    Quote Originally Posted by TomMcAn  [View Original Post]
    Anyone else thinking about contacting providers or agencies demanding PII needs to keep the risk of a possible bust in mind before complying with such demands. Better yet, take your business elsewhere.
    The first sentence is the correct one. I totally get why people may decide against providing PII. What I don't understand why y'all are so preachy about this. Every man here is capable of assessing any risks and making decisions accordingly. It feels like some of you take it very personally that some of them ask for this. What happened to just moving on to the next one?

  14. #21407

    Not worth the risk

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyKing7  [View Original Post]
    Merry Christmas, mongers. Hope everyone's eating well (figuratively and literally).

    I'm coming to you all with a question. I've provided reviews for providers in the past, some good and some bad, but have always striven to be as honest as possible based on my experiences at that time. This particular one, Ryann, has been on my wishlist for a long, long time. I've never bitten the bullet because I've always stuck to the "anything identifying irl is too much information" advice. Unfortunately, she will only accept DL and LinkedIn / business verification. If she didn't, she probably would have been one of the first providers I would have reached out to.

    I don't recall any recent reviews on her here, so I'm hoping some gentlemen have had the pleasure of experiencing her company, and if so, would be willing to provide your recommendation whether the experience was worth it or not. If it helps, the price is of no concern to me. Any and all feedback is appreciated. If you prefer to DM, mine are open. Happy holidays yall.

    https://tryst.link/escort/ryannxoxo
    I don't care what she or any other provider says. There is no justifiable reason a provider needs to see a potential customer's driver's license, LinkedIn profile, business card or employment info, or other personal identifying information (PII). It's frankly none of their business. I seriously doubt any of us has asked for similar info from providers.

    Remember the high profile bust just over a year ago of an agency operating in suburban Boston as well as Tysons Corner? Last month, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled that probable cause hearings against customers of that agency will be open to the public. Their respective reputations may be ruined just because they provided PII and money to engage in consenting adults activities, even if they never face criminal charges. While I've heard of no similar action pending against Virginia customers of that agency, I hope they're keeping an eye on the latest developments. Anyone else thinking about contacting providers or agencies demanding PII needs to keep the risk of a possible bust in mind before complying with such demands. Better yet, take your business elsewhere.

  15. #21406
    Quote Originally Posted by KeyKing7  [View Original Post]
    Merry Christmas, mongers. Hope everyone's eating well (figuratively and literally).

    I'm coming to you all with a question. I've provided reviews for providers in the past, some good and some bad, but have always striven to be as honest as possible based on my experiences at that time. This particular one, Ryann, has been on my wishlist for a long, long time. I've never bitten the bullet because I've always stuck to the "anything identifying irl is too much information" advice. Unfortunately, she will only accept DL and LinkedIn / business verification. If she didn't, she probably would have been one of the first providers I would have reached out to.

    I don't recall any recent reviews on her here, so I'm hoping some gentlemen have had the pleasure of experiencing her company, and if so, would be willing to provide your recommendation whether the experience was worth it or not. If it helps, the price is of no concern to me. Any and all feedback is appreciated. If you prefer to DM, mine are open. Happy holidays yall.

    https://tryst.link/escort/ryannxoxo
    I've seen her a couple years back. Not quite as good looking as her photos would suggest but still a cute, avg bodied GND redhead. I remember BBBJ and GFE experience with msog in a decent hotel.

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