MSP Sugar

[WiscoMN]

I thought I'd share some things I do to vet SB's, along with some lessons I learned. Hopefully it will be helpful.

Never send any money upfront and use a burner phone (but we all know this, right). I've been hit up at the last minute for money for Uber rides, childcare, etc. These are scams. Never verify via video chat. They can screen capture images and threaten to "blow up your life. " A genuine sugar relationship is legal, but there's a stigma.

Tools I sometimes use: Facecheck ID, Pimeyes, Google including reverse image search, Whitepages dot you know the rest, Spydialer, social media.

Free online Civil / criminal record lookup.

Using AI to get info based on their pics can reveal a ton of info. Recently I used AI to search for one of their photos and up popped her orange-suited mugshots. Snipping the photo the mugshot and using google image search led to a local newspaper write-up about how she got busted for narcotics. I'll add that through AI searching I have came across LinkedIn profile pics which I screen snipped to do a google image search for, finding her LinkedIn. I've also busted fakes that use Instagram porn sites. I actually had a good meet with someone who, as I learned prior to meet, was a webcam woman but she was well-reviewed.

If they don't use a voip phone you can sometimes find a lot about a person including their name. I've encountered scenarios where they're tied to businesses and that can give you something to go off of, and whitepages website can reveal age range and other info. Eventually if you get their name it's often possible to run it through court databases.

Before meeting for a meet and greet, I will ask what their standard ppm rate is to see if it works. If they say too high number I won't waste our time. I confirm their age to make sure they are adults. If they text message explicitly it's bye because that's bad news.

One thing I've started to do is, I will ask for them to send a selfie with them holding up a book / pencil / pen and 4 fingers or whatever. This will typically scare scammers away. Although in one instance a scammer but have used really good AI because the photo did the custom pic, although the AI wasn't good enough and I could still spot it. Personally, I will send a mirror selfie with my phone obscuring ½ my face. This helps prevent extortion and AI isn't good enough to search off of it yet. Also if you get a custom from her it reduces the chances of a scammer just not showing up. On 2 occasions I showed up expecting to meet for coffee but was ghosted. Scammer was pissed I said I would only pay in person and just wanted to waste my time, apparently.

After having about 5 successful 1st time meetings at their place / hotel, I will never do this again since I got robbed on one occasion. I will never, ever skip the meet and greet unless there's a lot of feedback on a person from trusted reviewers. The meet and greet for me is at a public venue like a coffee shop. This is basically a vibe check that a lot of scammers won't do, but some do anyways. There's controversy on this point, but I don't mind spoiling $40-60 (tops) on a meet and greet. It shows her I'm a serious SD, and I consider the payment token.

Subsequent dates occur at a hotel of my choosing. I don't mind dropping $80 for peace of mind knowing that I control the environment, and not having to worrying about a dude popping in. Cheap insurance in my book. If I eventually wanted to meet at here place, assuming I knew a lot about her and had many hotel dates, I may consider it, but there's even reports of SB's deciding to become thieves after many hotel dates so you really can't fully trust them ever.

Avoid drug users. You just never know he might OD is your presence or be completely unpredictable. I also wouldn't want to try and explain to LE about how drugs wound up in the hotel room if things got out of control, she OD'ed ect.

In my early days, I wasted money on rinsers who wanted me to spoil large sums for just dinner / coffee meets. Never again. 1-2 dates like that at most for me.

For hotel meets I am very careful about when I hand over the money. That's when the power dynamic changes. She must be in the room, and I try to pay after saying I've been cash and dashed and then when she invariably says no I say half upfront. Usually that won't work and I pay the full donation, which I am okay with because that is standard, but doesn't hurt to ask IMO.

Back when I first started I fell for the let me pay for the hotel room out of your donation scam. Via text, she said she said she had a friend who worked at the front desk, and that she could get a discount off the room and let the room charge be applied against the total donation. I picked her up in my car, skipping the meet and greet, and she directed me to a hotel. She said to wait in my car and then she would take care of the room at text me the number. After 5 minutes, she texted me the number to a top floor room. Sure enough, when I went to the room she wasn't there and she blocked my number. You live and you learn.

I've started to experiment with turning the video camera of my phone on and then turning it off after 2 seconds or so of talking upon meeting, claiming that I am wrapping up an important text message. That way if things go south, I at least have the image of what she really looks like. Being in a genuine sugar relationship is not illegal, or else most couples would be criminals, LOL, as women demand their partner to have more money and spend significantly on them.

Nothing of course is perfectly safe. If a woman were to give me trouble in a hotel I'd exit the room to get into the video recorded hallways right away, letting her do the cash and dash. Sometimes you just meet a bad person and there's nothing you can do outside of physically not letting her leave, which I would never do. If it came to needing a defense attorney, well, they can easily cost $500 not to mention the associated issues.

If there is a LE issue stay silent even though they will pester. Again being in a true sugar relationship isn't illegal but who knows how things can get spun. Also might be a good idea to have a burner phone that is not activated and but can just be used for photo video. No need to have the real burner phone stolen if it comes to that. If she acts weird in the hotel start recording her while leaving toward the door.

Hopefully this info is helpful. Be careful out their folks, you just never know. Can't really trust anyone.

[ToledoRocket52]

Anyone seen danilover85? She's I'd verified at 18 on SA, but her page says she joined back in 2022.

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...?locale=en_USS

Wants money before meet.

[Pppeeter]

Anyone seen danilover85? She's I'd verified at 18 on SA, but her page says she joined back in 2022.

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...?locale=en_USS

Never met her, but had talked to her last spring. And I stopped talking to her because her location was constantly changing. Sure sign of a rip off artist if you ask me. Oh, and when we talked she said she had just turned 19 (which still didn't make sense at the time).

[WiscoMN]

Anyone seen danilover85? She's I'd verified at 18 on SA, but her page says she joined back in 2022.

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...?locale=en_USS

[Tang07]

Just started talking to her today on SDM. Tessa. Want to move fast to meet. Only wants 3-4 which is low for age and attractiveness compared to others. Thanks for the number. Still located in Plymouth. But her profile just went missing as we are discussing meeting.

I've attached some of the pics she uses. Be safe everyone.

[Nashorn]

I'm talking to her right now. She wants me to meet her in her apt. Thanks for the heads up. Her profile is no longer in SA.

Just started talking to her today on SDM. Tessa. Want to move fast to meet. Only wants 3-4 which is low for age and attractiveness compared to others. Thanks for the number. Still located in Plymouth. But her profile just went missing as we are discussing meeting.

[Tang07]

It's a apartment complex off Nathan Ln in Plymouth. She said she lived there, but could have been lying. Phone # ended in 6166.

I'm talking to her right now. She wants me to meet her in her apt. Thanks for the heads up. Her profile is no longer in SA.

[Berol Loz]

That's messed up, glad you are ok. I've never had that happen to me, but I've had girls disappear with the money.

Got robbed yesterday.

Messaged a woman off Seeking, our communication moved to text, and we spoke briefly on the phone. She invited me over to her apartment. Once there, she came down to let me in the secured entrance. In her room room we carried on some small talk, she seemed nice and genuine. I put the donation on a table, we talked some more, she put the donation away in a purse, explaining that a guy ran off with the money from her prior meets. She said I could turn on the TV and that she was going to go to the bathroom. After about a minute of waiting, I thought what sounded like a door opening and I looked to the side and there was a man slowly walking toward me with one hand in a fanny pack. She either stayed in the bathroom or, more likely, went outside the room. I was scarred and assumed he had a gun. I really have no idea if he had one or not, but wasn't about to take chances. He was as calm as could be as he walked with 15 feet or so. I explained to him that I wasn't going to do anything, had my hands up, and that I was just going to leave, which I did. I had never been in a situation quite like that..

[FunGuySeattle]

Anyone else here using Secret Benefits instead of seeking? Want to trade some successes?

[WiscoMN]

It's a apartment complex off Nathan Ln in Plymouth. She said she lived there, but could have been lying. Phone # ended in 6166.

That's too bad, fortunately you ended up safe but certainly a jarring encounter.

Are you able to share details on location, building type, etc. So others are aware? Do you get the sense this was actually where the person lived, or just using another criminal's space to conduct the robbery?

[PenilePerson15]

That's too bad, fortunately you ended up safe but certainly a jarring encounter.

Are you able to share details on location, building type, etc. So others are aware? Do you get the sense this was actually where the person lived, or just using another criminal's space to conduct the robbery?

Got robbed yesterday.

Messaged a woman off Seeking, our communication moved to text, and we spoke briefly on the phone. She invited me over to her apartment. Once there, she came down to let me in the secured entrance. In her room room we carried on some small talk, she seemed nice and genuine. I put the donation on a table, we talked some more, she put the donation away in a purse, explaining that a guy ran off with the money from her prior meets. She said I could turn on the TV and that she was going to go to the bathroom. After about a minute of waiting, I thought what sounded like a door opening and I looked to the side and there was a man slowly walking toward me with one hand in a fanny pack. She either stayed in the bathroom or, more likely, went outside the room. I was scarred and assumed he had a gun. I really have no idea if he had one or not, but wasn't about to take chances. He was as calm as could be as he walked with 15 feet or so. I explained to him that I wasn't going to do anything, had my hands up, and that I was just going to leave, which I did. I had never been in a situation quite like that.

It's quite brazen for them to to something like this at their place. Even if he didn't walk over with one hand in the fanny pack, I probably wouldn't have done anything, unless I was attacked. I would have just got the heck out of there. It's just not worth it, especially for just $$. 2, and I have too much to lose. Sooner or later though, these clowns will probably fuck with someone who doesn't have anything to lose, and will suffer consequences. They are too stupid to do a risk reward analysis.

I've skipped the meet and greet on Seeking meets 3 times in the past with no problems. I rolled the dice here and learned my lesson. I will never skip a meet and greet again. I didn't vet properly. She blocked me on Seeking so I don't know her username. It's now clear to me that the picture she used was just of a very similar looking woman.

[WiscoMN]

Got robbed yesterday.

Messaged a woman off Seeking, our communication moved to text, and we spoke briefly on the phone. She invited me over to her apartment. Once there, she came down to let me in the secured entrance. In her room room we carried on some small talk, she seemed nice and genuine. I put the donation on a table, we talked some more, she put the donation away in a purse, explaining that a guy ran off with the money from her prior meets. She said I could turn on the TV and that she was going to go to the bathroom. After about a minute of waiting, I thought what sounded like a door opening and I looked to the side and there was a man slowly walking toward me with one hand in a fanny pack. She either stayed in the bathroom or, more likely, went outside the room. I was scarred and assumed he had a gun. I really have no idea if he had one or not, but wasn't about to take chances. He was as calm as could be as he walked with 15 feet or so. I explained to him that I wasn't going to do anything, had my hands up, and that I was just going to leave, which I did. I had never been in a situation quite like that.

It's quite brazen for them to to something like this at their place. Even if he didn't walk over with one hand in the fanny pack, I probably wouldn't have done anything, unless I was attacked. I would have just got the heck out of there. It's just not worth it, especially for just $$. 2, and I have too much to lose. Sooner or later though, these clowns will probably fuck with someone who doesn't have anything to lose, and will suffer consequences. They are too stupid to do a risk reward analysis.

I've skipped the meet and greet on Seeking meets 3 times in the past with no problems. I rolled the dice here and learned my lesson. I will never skip a meet and greet again. I didn't vet properly. She blocked me on Seeking so I don't know her username. It's now clear to me that the picture she used was just of a very similar looking woman.

[HappynLucky]

Being sick of the game is what drove me here, boy howdy was I shocked to learn it's just another game that's actually more of a pain the ass at times.

+1.

I agree 100% There's no substitute for social skills. Money only goes so far.

[MrBreeder2]

Go hangout at a College Bar.

Buy them drinks and you will get their phone numbers.

Girls will walk up to you and ask you what an older guy is doing at a college bar. Have some game. Have fun.

+1.

I agree 100% There's no substitute for social skills. Money only goes so far.

[Berol Loz]

Go hangout at a College Bar.

Buy them drinks and you will get their phone numbers.

Girls will walk up to you and ask you what an older guy is doing at a college bar. Have some game. Have fun.

Thanks for that, I guess it's really up to how much game you have.