The Rat Trap

[Bjceb]

I here all your points and agree.

The only point I would point to as well is the supply / demand rule.

We have a tourist based economy and therefore the amount of tourists will also play into the local economy in every sense therefore if a deep recession hits it will naturally limit the part of the supply.

Time will tell but I can control my behavior accordingly and therefore a known gps provider will not get my attention, therefore all the information will get from this board is so valuable.

The 80's was a time of creative financing (AKA just because you can not afford a mortgage. We will give you one any fucking way) And because of excessive interest rates 19% - ring a bell? (That creativeness which was allowed over time by all subsequent administrations) we paid for that in 2007 as all of the unsavory mortgage loans had been packaged as assets and were failing at a huge rate. Thus the depression so let's just get that point straight. Secondly; the Fed lowers short term borrowing rates in order to "maintain" an economy. Especially when inflation is relatively low yet even though unemployment is low job applications are falling off (today mostly because after a major pandemic nobody wants to go back to work. That is another discussion though) Housing affordability can be defined as the house price-to-income ratio which nearly doubled between 1980 (2. 5) and 2022 (4. 3), highlighting decreased affordability. As someone who had extensive economics in college I would hesitate to conflate cash buyers for houses with mongers paying cash for a blow job. Jesus - really? As a micro population working girls have a less than a normal life brought on by a variety of issues- drug abuse, domestic abuse, lack of education, lack of support network etc The economy impacts decisions mongers make not providers because we look at our wallet and decide what we can afford and how often we can afford it. Sure we can talk about the economy and hookers but they really do not belong in the same conversation unless you as a monger really can not afford whatever your choice of working girl is charging. That my friends is a personal economic issue. Not a global one. I have watched mongers cry about GPS in this forum for two decades. Some leading the charge that we should boycott working girls LMFAO the day I listen to someone who clearly doesn't have as much discretionary income as I do well I will leave mongering behind- NOT HAPPENING Class dismissed.

[DabMonger]

It will be worse then 08, most people can not read through the lines when it comes to economics. Admittedly it is extremely boring AF sometimes. Look to a youtuber called valuetainment. It is not so boring for the non economic person.

The 80's was a time of creative financing (AKA just because you can not afford a mortgage. We will give you one any fucking way) And because of excessive interest rates 19% - ring a bell? (That creativeness which was allowed over time by all subsequent administrations) we paid for that in 2007 as all of the unsavory mortgage loans had been packaged as assets and were failing at a huge rate. Thus the depression so let's just get that point straight. Secondly; the Fed lowers short term borrowing rates in order to "maintain" an economy. Especially when inflation is relatively low yet even though unemployment is low job applications are falling off (today mostly because after a major pandemic nobody wants to go back to work. That is another discussion though) Housing affordability can be defined as the house price-to-income ratio which nearly doubled between 1980 (2. 5) and 2022 (4. 3), highlighting decreased affordability. As someone who had extensive economics in college I would hesitate to conflate cash buyers for houses with mongers paying cash for a blow job. Jesus - really? As a micro population working girls have a less than a normal life brought on by a variety of issues- drug abuse, domestic abuse, lack of education, lack of support network etc The economy impacts decisions mongers make not providers because we look at our wallet and decide what we can afford and how often we can afford it. Sure we can talk about the economy and hookers but they really do not belong in the same conversation unless you as a monger really can not afford whatever your choice of working girl is charging. That my friends is a personal economic issue. Not a global one. I have watched mongers cry about GPS in this forum for two decades. Some leading the charge that we should boycott working girls LMFAO the day I listen to someone who clearly doesn't have as much discretionary income as I do well I will leave mongering behind- NOT HAPPENING Class dismissed.

[Carlosa]

I have seen more postings on bait and switch and GPS, in other groups. My comment is no shit.

[TRowePrice]

Feel free to confirm or chime in on the escort pricing index- its basically made from the loins of Adam Smith (father of capitalism).

[Monger654]

When does a recession hit? Historicaly the downturn is 8 months after the last rate hike, not the first. You can see home sales now lower then they have been since the 80's. The last time the economy took a dump in 08, there was a huge jump in street walkers. When the girls can not get the punters online they goto the street. You will se the donations fall when you see an increase in street walkers. That's when you know they are truly hungry.

We over corrected too much in 2021 and 2022 then the end of 2022 to now is correcting itself. At least in FL. The home sales are partly from everything being overpriced. With housing prices jumping up to 70% suddenly, everyone thought they were on a gold mine. Include the influx of New Yorkers and Californians moving to FL and buying a larger house, for a third of the money, it kept housing prices up because of the demand. This isn't even including corporate investors that make up 10-20% of home sales or the insane home insurance rates that started in 2022.

For the lack of new talent, I think a combination of OF and guys willing to pay insane GPS prices was keeping the market up and sugar babies fed. Girls I talked to on Seeking, that were asking 400-800 ppm a year ago and coming out the woodworks with "Hey stranger" "What happened to you?" offering to meet for 2-300 now. A pros I see even talk about how much harder it is to find dates and how they've had to lower their prices (which is still a lot higher than their pre-COVID prices). It's shifting back to the norm but I think we aren't over the hump yet. This year will look good because of the election but next year I think we take another dump before fully recovering at the end of 2026.

[JohnyBig]

I know this is a thing and guys have seen girls I know for "virtual" dates like over face time or like snap chat. I haven't had any experience with this and besides the normal escort sites like skip the Games for example is there better sites a guy could go to just find that? Asking for a friend. You can respond here or PM me if you like. Appreciate the help. JB.

[Bjceb]

Fully versed in economics myself, but again don't see a severe one myself.

But time will play out the answer.

It will be worse then 08, most people can not read through the lines when it comes to economics. Admittedly it is extremely boring AF sometimes. Look to a youtuber called valuetainment. It is not so boring for the non economic person.

[TRowePrice]

Its good to see we are able to discuss economy and how it relates to the hooker game. There are some interesting posts about how cash buyers for home refuse to pay as well as traditional buyers seeking mortgages are not buying.

Case in point- early 2000's following the dot com burst fed began lowering interest rates along with 12/2007-6/2009. You can google this.

So yes, guard both of your bags (your nuts and your money).

Ok so back to hookers. Remember this.

[Carlosa]

08 was a severe one. One will come, but don't think it will be severe.

It will be worse then 08, most people can not read through the lines when it comes to economics. Admittedly it is extremely boring AF sometimes. Look to a youtuber called valuetainment. It is not so boring for the non economic person.

[Bjceb]

08 was a severe one. One will come, but don't think it will be severe.

When does a recession hit? Historicaly the downturn is 8 months after the last rate hike, not the first. You can see home sales now lower then they have been since the 80's. The last time the economy took a dump in 08, there was a huge jump in street walkers. When the girls can not get the punters online they goto the street. You will se the donations fall when you see an increase in street walkers. That's when you know they are truly hungry.

[Carlosa]

When does a recession hit? Historicaly the downturn is 8 months after the last rate hike, not the first. You can see home sales now lower then they have been since the 80's. The last time the economy took a dump in 08, there was a huge jump in street walkers. When the girls can not get the punters online they goto the street. You will se the donations fall when you see an increase in street walkers. That's when you know they are truly hungry.

[ShadowMover]

The girls are getting very hungry. You now have several Miami, Jacksonville, & Tampa all placing advertisements in Orlando. You also have girls getting so desperate there posting advertisements on Craigslist and Facebook. The recession will not hit until 8 months after the final rate hike. So the hunger the girls have is only going to increase.

My humble 2 cents.

1) When contacting a girl you like get the no upsell all in donation. (Except South American girls, all of them have handlers. An extra 100 gets everything.).

2) Once you have agreed on a donation, ask for a verification photo.

3) Do not ask for writing on paper, or 2 fingers in the air. Ask for thumb on elbow something you do not usually see.

4) No verification do not go, let them starve, if the verification photo is different then tell them you need a discount.

5) If you do not feel good tell them to meet in lobby or pool area. When I am in Altamonte I always meet at Chick-fil-A.

6) Always listen to you gut, and walk away.

7) Never use your real phone, use a burner.

8) Never give out your real name or information.

9) Arrive early, pick another vehicle say it's yours.

10) Never ever prepay ever. ONLYFANS is prepay.

11) Never carry more the requested.

12) Depends on the situation carry an equalizer.

13) Remember for the South American girls your probably talking to a handler.

14) Remember those with the money makes the rules. Girls do not like the rules. Let them fucking starve.

The gut can save you! Nice rules to follow.

[Carlosa]

They text me back with.

BBBJ, GFE, etc for more money.

What is your zip code, scam.

No verification photo.

Real pic is fat and ugly, 90% of the time.

Latina verification photo comes back as black, not my preference.

Hotel girl will not meet in lobby, or pool area.

Altamonte girl will not meet at Chick-fil-A.

Comes back to high prices are nonnegotiable.

Open door bad feeling, run.

[The Full Monty]

Mongers have all the leverage right now. If you notice the popular thing now is a lot of girls ads will say outcalls / cardates only. They can't afford to keep a hotel room consistently so they have to go home and try to make whatever money they can from us without trying to pay for an incall location. The price for everything is high right now so I'm sure most mongers are very selective with who they spend their money with and how much they are willing to spend. Even for myself the minute these girls start making rules and demands, I quickly move on to the next one until I get what I want, I don't even try to negotiate much anymore. If I was them I would open up the menu and show top notch appreciation to their regulars.

[Monger654]

The girls are getting very hungry. You now have several Miami, Jacksonville, & Tampa all placing advertisements in Orlando. You also have girls getting so desperate there posting advertisements on Craigslist and Facebook. The recession will not hit until 8 months after the final rate hike. So the hunger the girls have is only going to increase.

My humble 2 cents.

1) When contacting a girl you like get the no upsell all in donation. (Except South American girls, all of them have handlers. An extra 100 gets everything.).

2) Once you have agreed on a donation, ask for a verification photo.

3) Do not ask for writing on paper, or 2 fingers in the air. Ask for thumb on elbow something you do not usually see.

4) No verification do not go, let them starve, if the verification photo is different then tell them you need a discount.

5) If you do not feel good tell them to meet in lobby or pool area. When I am in Altamonte I always meet at Chick-fil-A.

6) Always listen to you gut, and walk away.

7) Never use your real phone, use a burner.

8) Never give out your real name or information.

9) Arrive early, pick another vehicle say it's yours.

10) Never ever prepay ever. ONLYFANS is prepay.

11) Never carry more the requested.

12) Depends on the situation carry an equalizer.

13) Remember for the South American girls your probably talking to a handler.

14) Remember those with the money makes the rules. Girls do not like the rules. Let them fucking starve.

Let them starve.