EMP (European Massage Parlor) Reports

[ApplePiePussy]

These prices are getting out of hand, its insane, there are other places in the city that get you more for those prices. But most of the girls are incredibly sexy. Hoping we all can put the pressure on as a group either to lower the rates or have more included for the door fee.

There's a reason why the prices are what they are. It has to do with the state of the hobby in the US, which is not good for a number of reasons.

Before I explain, it should be noted that this thread is for European Massage Parlors and not apartments or hotels. So this discussion should probably be moved to the appropriate thread. The mods might end up moving it to the bullshit thread, which is fine. Because this will cover more broad ranging topics.

10 years ago, this was one of my favorite threads because there were a ton of 20 something Euro girls working in parlors where you could get a high quality massage and a finish for a reasonable rate. For example, places like Golden Hands had hot and young Ukrainians like Natalie, Diana, Anna, who would massage you on an actual massage table and then offer clothed, topless, or nude L1.

The few hold outs in this thread are hoping for a return to that era, but that's not going to happen. The reason is that CBP have made it all but impossible for women from almost any country traveling alone under the age of 65 to enter the country on a tourist visa. They're just not letting them in. For example, the only people from Thailand that they are letting in are those who are enrolled at universities for an MBA or some other advanced degree. Nobody else can get a visa. The same applies to Eastern European women, Latin American, and almost all of Asia and the rest of the developing world.

Girls are coming anyway, getting interviewed, and being sent back home. There was a recent article in Japanese media where a female influencer with a somewhat high following attempted to visit Hawaii and was sent back home on suspicions of being an escort. Suffice it to say, she was deeply offended and made videos about it. She had no intention of being an escort.

All of this has been done in the name of preventing human trafficking. But in reality, it is creating far more of it. Instead of these girls being scanned into the system and entering the country as tourists, many are finding illicit means of entering and this is causing huge negative secondary effects.

The most common way of entering the country now is through the southern border. They are a seeing a huge influx of Asian, primarily Chinese, as well as people from non traditional countries coming in that way. And while some girls looking to work in the US may enter with the masses, the majority are paying their way in with huge payments to the cartels who in turn pay off the border agents.

Going rates are anywhere from 40 to 55 K per person, with the higher end essentially allowing you to be driven across in the passenger seat with zero hassle.

Girls will pay that if they have it or they will go into debt for it with the understanding that they can make that money back in 3 or 4 months depending on the type of work they do.

This has become the most lucrative revenue stream for the cartels, far more profitable than drug smuggling which carries far more risk. So not only are these policies empowering and enriching the cartels, but they are also creating a large unregistered population in the US.

There are also economic consequences to these policies. Young females are the biggest spenders out of all demographics. So not only are we missing out on tourist revenues, but also huge discretionary spending revenues. And in terms of the working girls, who are the biggest discretionary spenders of all, they are paying off the cartels first rather than spending that money on American products and services.

Now back to the Euro girls. The ones who are here and working either live here legally with some form of visa or green card, have entered illegally in the past in more traditional ways, or are newly entered in the way I just described above. They are simply not going to work for low rates after taking those risks and also due to market dynamics due to a reduced supply. Furthermore, Chicago is a secondary market. The girls who do find a way in are going to go to NYC and LA first before they consider coming here. There's just far more money to be made there.

As a contrast, Europe is absolutely saturated with supply right now, even in secondary countries. This past summer, I spent an hour with a 22 year old blonde Ukrainian, an absolutely gorgeous girl, for 140 euro. And we went way over the hour because literally nobody else was coming. When I got back to my hotel, I kept thinking that if this girl was in Chicago, working at one of the Euro escort agencies, her rates would be triple that. And people would be fighting each other for a place in line. There are tons of Brazilians and Latinas working there as well since it is far easier for them to get in to Europe than it is here.

It is what it is. These are things that are simply out of our control. And it's not a partisan issue either as both parties have been in power and have had the same policies. Until something changes, we are going to be stuck paying these rates.

[Coopertars]

It includes the finish but does NOT automatically include touching / roaming. Some (most) girls want an extra tip on that. The girl last week wanted $60 extra to touch and another $60 to do b2 b rub. Different girls, different extras. It's a crapshoot--or gambling, if you are into it. I had one girl out of many who ended up giving me head and didn't even discuss the tip. She was a fucking unicorn. Given the inflated rates I gave her more than I would normally. But most are just variations on touching. One wanted 5 bills for FS.

These prices are getting out of hand, its insane, there are other places in the city that get you more for those prices. But most of the girls are incredibly sexy. Hoping we all can put the pressure on as a group either to lower the rates or have more included for the door fee.

[Chiguyxxx]

Does that include standard finish or do they fish for tips? And roaming? Thanks.

It includes the finish but does NOT automatically include touching / roaming. Some (most) girls want an extra tip on that. The girl last week wanted $60 extra to touch and another $60 to do b2 b rub. Different girls, different extras. It's a crapshoot--or gambling, if you are into it. I had one girl out of many who ended up giving me head and didn't even discuss the tip. She was a fucking unicorn. Given the inflated rates I gave her more than I would normally. But most are just variations on touching. One wanted 5 bills for FS.

[ZzTopSterZz]

The new rates are $200 Hhr $230 hr. Expensive HJ. Girls are hit & miss. Some really young pretty, others older not so great looking. One girl was an American that seemed to be a user.

Does that include standard finish or do they fish for tips? And roaming? Thanks.

[BA4114]

The new rates are $200 Hhr $230 hr. Expensive HJ. Girls are hit & miss. Some really young pretty, others older not so great looking. One girl was an American that seemed to be a user.

I've met a few girls there where the experience was WELL worth the cost for the service based on how hot, cool and sexy the girl was. I've also had an experience there with a complete bait and switch, and a few girls who seem incredibly timid and had so many restrictions it ruined the experience.

Much like everything else in the hobby, it's hit and miss and YMMV.

[Chiguyxxx]

The new rates are $200 Hhr $230 hr. Expensive HJ. Girls are hit & miss. Some really young pretty, others older not so great looking. One girl was an American that seemed to be a user.

Damn. I already hated myself for paying 220/ hr plus tips for a nude HJ but an extra 10? And the hhr was sometimes decent to try one out at 180 (even though it's only 160 at CLM) but 200? I think I might be done with them. Too hit or miss and if you find a good girl she's gone in a few days.

[Sukebe3]

Sorry for the lack of post count, but I am having serious "Famous Anne" withdrawal. Is there a replacement anyone can recommend? I have a layover in Chinatown and a large credit limit.

[SmileySam]

I got a text yesterday that they had a new spot. Less than a block away from the old spot.

The new rates are $200 Hhr $230 hr. Expensive HJ. Girls are hit & miss. Some really young pretty, others older not so great looking. One girl was an American that seemed to be a user.

[BA4114]

I had an appointment with them yesterday and the girl I saw said they were moving to their new space on Thursday. She didn't know the exact location but thought it would be near the old one.

I got a text yesterday that they had a new spot. Less than a block away from the old spot.

[ZzTopSterZz]

We're in a global economic downward spiral with markets crashing, equities losing billions in value daily, and inflation out of control world-wide, and currency value diminishing before our very eyes, and the prices at massage venues, Euro and Asian, are going up? The proprietors and therapists don't seem to get it, that is, the adverse economic, political and financial news in the USA and around the world. Prices will eventually have to come down in this part of the economy as well. How about an effort to track, publicize and reward venues that lead with price lowering in the days ahead.

How times change. Markets are up big time so those of us with retirement accounts are feeling flush. The US dollar is strong so if local prices are out of line consider going outside the country for cheap vacation and cheap massage / play.

Biggest problem for the hobby nowadays is lack of supply. Legalization or even decriminalizing would do wonders for that.

[WickedSick]

It seems like they got kicked out of their Noble Square spot, they're currently hosting out of a hotel in Gold Coast, and I would assume they will rotate hotels to keep a low profile, until they find a new apartment and get it set up.

Thanks everyone for the confirmations. I'm still new to this so was a little sketched out when a new number reached out with a new location. My booker said their lease was up at old apts. Were they actually kicked out? I wonder what happened.

[Chiguyxxx]

It seems like they got kicked out of their Noble Square spot, they're currently hosting out of a hotel in Gold Coast, and I would assume they will rotate hotels to keep a low profile, until they find a new apartment and get it set up.

I had an appointment with them yesterday and the girl I saw said they were moving to their new space on Thursday. She didn't know the exact location but thought it would be near the old one.

[Goofy89]

It seems like they got kicked out of their Noble Square spot, they're currently hosting out of a hotel in Gold Coast, and I would assume they will rotate hotels to keep a low profile, until they find a new apartment and get it set up.

Anybody kind enough to post a link for new or old posts?

[Coopertars]

Can someone confirm that the Noble Square apts have moved to Gold Coast?

It seems like they got kicked out of their Noble Square spot, they're currently hosting out of a hotel in Gold Coast, and I would assume they will rotate hotels to keep a low profile, until they find a new apartment and get it set up.

[PeteMusk]

I get it is slow in the EMP scene but noble square belongs in the motel area of the forums. Any EMP current info in this dying market would be nice though.