Rants and Stupid shit in Orange County

[Lift Her Up]

This is in response to a recent post in the MP thread about how much we're spending. I think it's better to continue it here.

For years I went for FS twice a month. Last year I had tighten the belt somewhat and I cut back to once a month, FS. Now I'm loosening up a little and go twice a month sometimes. My appetite for FS ideally is once every week or two. The cost of a session for me is usually $. 6, because I'm a regular with someone who asks just $. 2 extra donation.

Most of you guys probably need it more often. I'm in my late 70's now. When I was in my 20's and 30's I had to do it, with partner or alone, 10 times per week. This was the result of an early puberty. Kinsey BTW found that those of us with early puberties had to do it more often.

Lift Her Up.

[DarkRoomDaddy]

Men and women are not so biologically different. The difference is cultural. Women cheat differently because of cultural mores and expectations, not because of any biological difference. Read the book "Sex at Dawn" by Ryan https://www.amazon.com/s?k=sex+at+dawn&crid=3 JJFHA0652 ZCZ&sprefix=sex+at+dawn%2 Caps%2 C162&ref=nb_sb_noss_2.

I married my first wife when I was about 25 years old because she was very sexual, and very culturally uninhibited. We fucked five times a day on weekends and twice every weekday night. But such a sexual woman cannot fuck with just one guy. Her first cheating was with a guy in her university chemistry course. She told me how being near him made her pussy drip so much that her jeans were soaked. Then there was the gas station attendant and the lawyer and the travelling European student she met in a bar. I was immature and could not put up with the cheating and my jealousy. Funny thing was that she was the only woman I was ever faithful with. I have not heard from her in 55 years. I bet she chalked up at least as many lovers as I did in my life.

Dogs and cats are different because they are trained differently too. Without these cultural expectations, dogs would meow, and cats would bark. .

The thing with women is that they are more variable than men. As dudes, we behave more or less the same, and we want the same things more or less. And our DNA shows this. But women are more all over the place. There are some like the case you mention. There are also women who can go years without sex and not miss it. There are women who would prefer a good clothed cuddle to penetration. How many guys would be happy to without sex, after some cuddling and kissing, and you have rock hard wood poking a hole in your pants?

All mammals have gender differentiation. Almost all males want to sew their wild oats, then take off and find more females to impregnate. Women / females either don't want males around at all (who might eat her babies) or need their protection and help I child raising.

[BSouthgate]

In my humble opinion, Men aren't meant to be monogamous. There's 7 billion people in the world. It wouldn't happen if everyone was monogamous. Also Men and Women cheat differently. Women cheat emotionally and bond differently when they have sex. When women have sex, they pair bond with that person. Their biology works differently than men.

Men can have sex with no emotional attachment. Men cheat by providing for that other person such as buying houses or providing for that person.

Depending on your SO, it might be better for you to come up with an agreement between the both of you where you can have sex with multiple people. Just don't embarrass her and don't bring any outside babies or diseases.

Just food for thought.

Men and women are not so biologically different. The difference is cultural. Women cheat differently because of cultural mores and expectations, not because of any biological difference. Read the book "Sex at Dawn" by Ryan https://www.amazon.com/s?k=sex+at+dawn&crid=3 JJFHA0652 ZCZ&sprefix=sex+at+dawn%2 Caps%2 C162&ref=nb_sb_noss_2.

I married my first wife when I was about 25 years old because she was very sexual, and very culturally uninhibited. We fucked five times a day on weekends and twice every weekday night. But such a sexual woman cannot fuck with just one guy. Her first cheating was with a guy in her university chemistry course. She told me how being near him made her pussy drip so much that her jeans were soaked. Then there was the gas station attendant and the lawyer and the travelling European student she met in a bar. I was immature and could not put up with the cheating and my jealousy. Funny thing was that she was the only woman I was ever faithful with. I have not heard from her in 55 years. I bet she chalked up at least as many lovers as I did in my life.

[Chaos019]

I honestly believe that we aren't meant to be monogamous. At least men aren't. Women maybe, but men are hardwired to be horny and to be attracted to certain physical attributes in women. Culturally most of us want to be monogamous. I have a great marriage and family life and wouldn't want it any other way. But at the same time, sex in a monogamous life gets pretty boring, and that's why the world invented things like prostitution and swinging. I have long held the belief that my mongering over the years has kept my marriage and family life healthy. I do feel guilty about it sometimes (or often actually). If my SO ever found out it would be absolutely devastating for her, and that alone bothers me. But at the same time it is fully transactional. I don't have any emotional attachment to anybody I've ever mongered with. I show up, do the deed, pay my money, and leave. Up until fairly recently almost all of my mongering was overseas, so I never saw anybody more than once. This building up relationships to get better service thing that is prominent around here now is a new thing to me, and I'm hesitant to go there because after seeing a girl more than once or twice I start to feel a little bit attached. So there's a very fine line to walk there. One between building up just enough trust to get good service and being "too attached" or looking forward to seeing that person a little too much.

In my humble opinion, Men aren't meant to be monogamous. There's 7 billion people in the world. It wouldn't happen if everyone was monogamous. Also Men and Women cheat differently. Women cheat emotionally and bond differently when they have sex. When women have sex, they pair bond with that person. Their biology works differently than men.

Men can have sex with no emotional attachment. Men cheat by providing for that other person such as buying houses or providing for that person.

Depending on your SO, it might be better for you to come up with an agreement between the both of you where you can have sex with multiple people. Just don't embarrass her and don't bring any outside babies or diseases.

Just food for thought.

[DarkRoomDaddy]

I honestly believe that we aren't meant to be monogamous. At least men aren't. Women maybe, but men are hardwired to be horny and to be attracted to certain physical attributes in women. Culturally most of us want to be monogamous. I have a great marriage and family life and wouldn't want it any other way. But at the same time, sex in a monogamous life gets pretty boring, and that's why the world invented things like prostitution and swinging. I have long held the belief that my mongering over the years has kept my marriage and family life healthy. I do feel guilty about it sometimes (or often actually). If my SO ever found out it would be absolutely devastating for her, and that alone bothers me. But at the same time it is fully transactional. I don't have any emotional attachment to anybody I've ever mongered with. I show up, do the deed, pay my money, and leave. Up until fairly recently almost all of my mongering was overseas, so I never saw anybody more than once. This building up relationships to get better service thing that is prominent around here now is a new thing to me, and I'm hesitant to go there because after seeing a girl more than once or twice I start to feel a little bit attached. So there's a very fine line to walk there. One between building up just enough trust to get good service and being "too attached" or looking forward to seeing that person a little too much.

I bet some guys start feeling the "7 year itch", or have a "mid-life crisis" or whatever. The idea of having boring sex with the same woman who is involved in all kinds of non-sexual business with you all day. Then it gradually comes to your mind how hot it would be to have some wild sex with a new woman. What an adventure! It would make you feel 10 years younger and remind you of how you used to be in your single days. So you meet someone, and end up in a love affair, and maybe end up in a divorce.

So mongering takes the pressure off. Its a safety value so the pressure does not build up to an explosion. Its never as satisfying as being with a woman who is with you just because she likes you, but its a decent approximation. And when the hour is up, you leave with a spring in your step, and feel great. And then everything else is a little easier to take. You might even appreciate being with a woman who cares about you more than she cares about what tip you will be handing over.

So mongering probably does save many marriages.

[BSouthgate]

I honestly believe that we aren't meant to be monogamous. At least men aren't. Women maybe, but men are hardwired to be horny and to be attracted to certain physical attributes in women. Culturally most of us want to be monogamous. I have a great marriage and family life and wouldn't want it any other way. But at the same time, sex in a monogamous life gets pretty boring, and that's why the world invented things like prostitution and swinging. I have long held the belief that my mongering over the years has kept my marriage and family life healthy. I do feel guilty about it sometimes (or often actually). If my SO ever found out it would be absolutely devastating for her, and that alone bothers me. But at the same time it is fully transactional. I don't have any emotional attachment to anybody I've ever mongered with. I show up, do the deed, pay my money, and leave. Up until fairly recently almost all of my mongering was overseas, so I never saw anybody more than once. This building up relationships to get better service thing that is prominent around here now is a new thing to me, and I'm hesitant to go there because after seeing a girl more than once or twice I start to feel a little bit attached. So there's a very fine line to walk there. One between building up just enough trust to get good service and being "too attached" or looking forward to seeing that person a little too much.

I totally agree with you, Grimmy. I suspect that women are also biologically polyamorous.

[Grimmy23]

I was in Japan in a convenience store and my American friend was showing me some anime that was fairly x-rated. At that point, a Japanese guy came in to look for a magazine, and I felt a little embarrassed that we were looking at soft-porn, but my friend said "hey in Asia there is no shame about this". And it then became clear why so many American guys end up in Asia but relatively few American women. On the other hand, places like Paris or Italy, you see American women or older people, but not single guys hanging out and teaching English.

Taking even a broader perspective even of Western culture going back to kings and emperors going back 2000 years, its clear that even married men have an appetite for some side honey. Its natural, and going back to cave man days, then men who loved'them-and-leaved'them had more offspring than stodgy guys who stayed with one woman. Of course it was better for the woman to have a big guy protect her and the kids, and to bring home a mastodon steak every once in a while. This is one theory as to why, we as dudes are horny 365 days a year, but most other animals are only horny when they encounter a female in heat. If a woman can dangle some tuna and keep us interested all year, we are better providers and will keep coming back for more. Or in our parlance, we become "regulars".

I honestly believe that we aren't meant to be monogamous. At least men aren't. Women maybe, but men are hardwired to be horny and to be attracted to certain physical attributes in women. Culturally most of us want to be monogamous. I have a great marriage and family life and wouldn't want it any other way. But at the same time, sex in a monogamous life gets pretty boring, and that's why the world invented things like prostitution and swinging. I have long held the belief that my mongering over the years has kept my marriage and family life healthy. I do feel guilty about it sometimes (or often actually). If my SO ever found out it would be absolutely devastating for her, and that alone bothers me. But at the same time it is fully transactional. I don't have any emotional attachment to anybody I've ever mongered with. I show up, do the deed, pay my money, and leave. Up until fairly recently almost all of my mongering was overseas, so I never saw anybody more than once. This building up relationships to get better service thing that is prominent around here now is a new thing to me, and I'm hesitant to go there because after seeing a girl more than once or twice I start to feel a little bit attached. So there's a very fine line to walk there. One between building up just enough trust to get good service and being "too attached" or looking forward to seeing that person a little too much.

[BSouthgate]

I was in Japan in a convenience store and my American friend was showing me some anime that was fairly x-rated. At that point, a Japanese guy came in to look for a magazine, and I felt a little embarrassed that we were looking at soft-porn, but my friend said "hey in Asia there is no shame about this". And it then became clear why so many American guys end up in Asia but relatively few American women. On the other hand, places like Paris or Italy, you see American women or older people, but not single guys hanging out and teaching English.

Taking even a broader perspective even of Western culture going back to kings and emperors going back 2000 years, its clear that even married men have an appetite for some side honey. Its natural, and going back to cave man days, then men who loved'them-and-leaved'them had more offspring than stodgy guys who stayed with one woman. Of course it was better for the woman to have a big guy protect her and the kids, and to bring home a mastodon steak every once in a while. This is one theory as to why, we as dudes are horny 365 days a year, but most other animals are only horny when they encounter a female in heat. If a woman can dangle some tuna and keep us interested all year, we are better providers and will keep coming back for more. Or in our parlance, we become "regulars".

I lived for years in big cities and small, in China. I knew thousands of women, fucked hundreds, and married one.

Chinese women have a shell of Confucian conformity around them. On the outside, you see a songbird. If you can break through the shell, you find a tigress.

For example, I dated a woman about 15 years younger than me. When I met her, a mutual attraction was evident. She introduced her father, who was in his 80's. The old man impressed me with stories of the long March, his meeting with Mao, and the Western author CP Snow. My interest in Daddy aroused intense jealousy in the daughter with whom I had not yet had sex. She took me to her small room in the family apartment.

"Can I get you to like me as much as you like my father". She opened my fly, pulled my flaccid penis out of the opening in my boxers, and started to lick and suck the tip sensually. The shell was broken.

I had similar dating experiences with other women. All equally horny and all expecting horniness from me. When I was horny, and they were not, they always worshiped and satisfied my bodily excitement.

I have more stories if you want to hear.

[DarkRoomDaddy]

I got to know several hundred young Asian women in my professional life and I absolutely agree, not weak or compliant. You have to look below the surface-level Confucious proper etiquette.

And then, to build on the first part of Dark's paragraph, I think another cultural difference is the acceptance of men's sex drive. In China, women think that's just how men are, accept them for what they are. In the US, if you want more sex than your White wife wants, well, that just proves how bad you are, thoughtless, selfish. Also, in the US it seems like a lot of White women look down on other women who really enjoy sex, and that's an inhibiting influence. Just my 2 c worth, could be wrong.

Lift Her Up.

I was in Japan in a convenience store and my American friend was showing me some anime that was fairly x-rated. At that point, a Japanese guy came in to look for a magazine, and I felt a little embarrassed that we were looking at soft-porn, but my friend said "hey in Asia there is no shame about this". And it then became clear why so many American guys end up in Asia but relatively few American women. On the other hand, places like Paris or Italy, you see American women or older people, but not single guys hanging out and teaching English.

Taking even a broader perspective even of Western culture going back to kings and emperors going back 2000 years, its clear that even married men have an appetite for some side honey. Its natural, and going back to cave man days, then men who loved'them-and-leaved'them had more offspring than stodgy guys who stayed with one woman. Of course it was better for the woman to have a big guy protect her and the kids, and to bring home a mastodon steak every once in a while. This is one theory as to why, we as dudes are horny 365 days a year, but most other animals are only horny when they encounter a female in heat. If a woman can dangle some tuna and keep us interested all year, we are better providers and will keep coming back for more. Or in our parlance, we become "regulars".

[Encino Chad]

When you say "American" are you referring to those who are American citizens, or are you referring to something else? If the former, how do you know the Latinas and Asians you've seen weren't American citizens?

American provider = provider that grew up here in the states.

The providers I've seen all told me that they're from other countries, they also knew little to no English.

I have to break out my Spanish for most of my visits.

[HoDough]

I've seen many SWs in my first year of mongering so far, and I just realized that I haven't seen a single American provider: thinking_emoji:.

I mainly been seeing latinas and sometimes asians.

The thing is. . . I feel like I'm not missing out on much loll.

But a thick curvy white MILF is definitely on my wishlist.

Side note:

I wish more MPs and even escorts have 45 min sessions as a provided service.

30 min can be too fast, and 1 hour can be a bit too long for me sometimes.

But 45 minutes is that sweet spot for me. Angela Spa in Santa Ana has 45 min sessions, and shit was so clutch.

When you say "American" are you referring to those who are American citizens, or are you referring to something else? If the former, how do you know the Latinas and Asians you've seen weren't American citizens?

[Lift Her Up]

I got to know several hundred young Asian women in my professional life and I absolutely agree, not weak or compliant. You have to look below the surface-level Confucious proper etiquette.

And then, to build on the first part of Dark's paragraph, I think another cultural difference is the acceptance of men's sex drive. In China, women think that's just how men are, accept them for what they are. In the US, if you want more sex than your White wife wants, well, that just proves how bad you are, thoughtless, selfish. Also, in the US it seems like a lot of White women look down on other women who really enjoy sex, and that's an inhibiting influence. Just my 2 c worth, could be wrong.

Lift Her Up.

I tried to add a note of informality by writing as one word "g o t t a," but the site rewrote that as "got to," and somehow that didn't seem right, so I gave up and wrote "have to". Also just now I see it won't let me but the period inside the quotes. Jes' sayin'.

Otherwise this site is wonderful.

Lift Her Up.

[Lift Her Up]

I think the misunderstanding comes from a cultural difference. Many American women speak of any kind of sex with an older man as if its disgusting, and almost a form of sexual abuse if there is a 20 year age gap in a marriage. There is disgust with men's sexual needs and satisfaction, and an anti-male anti-boomer attitude in many quarters. So the idea of a woman doing sex work, and doing her job happily is unimaginable. Most of these Chinese women working the shops do not seem to be nymphomaniacs, they are just women who are ok with the job, and making more money than they ever dreamed possible. There is also some simple-minded racist views of Asian women as weak and compliant. Which comes from people who have not been around Chinese or Korean women much.

I got to know several hundred young Asian women in my professional life and I absolutely agree, not weak or compliant. You have to look below the surface-level Confucious proper etiquette.

And then, to build on the first part of Dark's paragraph, I think another cultural difference is the acceptance of men's sex drive. In China, women think that's just how men are, accept them for what they are. In the US, if you want more sex than your White wife wants, well, that just proves how bad you are, thoughtless, selfish. Also, in the US it seems like a lot of White women look down on other women who really enjoy sex, and that's an inhibiting influence. Just my 2 c worth, could be wrong.

Lift Her Up.

[Oc Amper]

Trying to figure out if it's coincidence or me.

I changed mobile providers yesterday, and I'm unable to get onto bedpage. Not sure if it's blocked by the new provider, or by the account by default with the new provider, or might just be that page is coincidentally down just as I switch.

I guess first question, is it really down? Second question would be, how do you address this with the cell company?

I'm sure you have found, the sites in question are not down. Lots of good troubleshooting advise already given, so hopefully you've tried those.

I would try side by side, your cell phone and another device. That will tell you, that in fact you can reach site a / b or if its your phone / provider.

As others have said, isolate the issue. Is it your phone or your mobile service provider. You can turn on wifi, turn off cell service, etc.

If you find its the device, then you'll need to work thru the settings. If the issue seems to be the carrier, I don't think you stand a chance of getting it corrected. IF it is the carrier, they've blocked it for whatever reason they have. Getting that issue communicated, well that might be humbling as well.

True story, a friend worked for a wireless carrier in IT. Their IT department had issues with devices connecting from their own carriers wireless network, Some required ports for the application were blocked, where any other carrier was not blocked. Totally common app. The internal IT team tried to reach out to the wireless team that would be responsible. Not sure they ever got to the correct team.

[Encino Chad]

I've seen many SWs in my first year of mongering so far, and I just realized that I haven't seen a single American provider: thinking_emoji:.

I mainly been seeing latinas and sometimes asians.

The thing is. . . I feel like I'm not missing out on much loll.

But a thick curvy white MILF is definitely on my wishlist.

Side note:

I wish more MPs and even escorts have 45 min sessions as a provided service.

30 min can be too fast, and 1 hour can be a bit too long for me sometimes.

But 45 minutes is that sweet spot for me. Angela Spa in Santa Ana has 45 min sessions, and shit was so clutch.