"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[JunkSecond]

Same as you, don't recall a post on the Atlanta forum with 1 K getting paid for a PPM. Have seen more than a couple posts with 500 PPM. If you look on Reddit, 1 K is a standard ask for SB's in many larger metropolitan areas. Some that I am seeing in the 8-9 category refuse to drop below that amount. They are or have been in relationships drawing 5-10 K per month. So, it's sometimes tough to figure our what is reasonable. I have paid mid 300's for PPM in ATL for a 6-7 that is very nice and very accomodating (SB's, not Pros). No experience with anyone over an 8 so I don't know what's being paid. I do know that what's quoted on this board is the very bottom of the pay scale mentioned on Reddit threads. Numbers that low are referred to as Salt Daddy's. 500 PPM get's you to Splenda Daddy. Obviously, none of the whales paying 10 K per month are posting on this site so it leaves me scratching my head sometimes on a $475 ask for a PPM for an 8. Forum says I'm bordering on Simp and Reddit (SB's and SD's) says I'm barely a Splenda Daddy. Right or wrong, I just try to guess what the average in a particluar market might be and shoot for something in that range which can be quite broad, and changes from week to week.

I looked up household income distributions in GA and there are not enough HOUSEHOLDS with the cashflow to regularly entertain all these girls at 1 k ppm weekly. My suspicion is that some simp paid that much one time, the girl started bragging about her worth and now ALL the influencers get that much or more REGULARLY, or so they claim. Most girls I talk to ask 1 K, I then follow up with how they came up with that number. They say a friend told them that's what they heard, Reddit or saw it somewhere as the amount that EVERYONE gets. Not a single one said they ever got paid that or had anything more than a $500 one night stand with a few random dudes. The concept of an Arrangement seems to have gone away.

[Member #6704]

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...7-f1fd9f6a52ca

[Member #7133]

Never heard of anybody giving that amount of money, 400 is much more reasonable for a few hours.

Same as you, don't recall a post on the Atlanta forum with 1 K getting paid for a PPM. Have seen more than a couple posts with 500 PPM. If you look on Reddit, 1 K is a standard ask for SB's in many larger metropolitan areas. Some that I am seeing in the 8-9 category refuse to drop below that amount. They are or have been in relationships drawing 5-10 K per month. So, it's sometimes tough to figure our what is reasonable. I have paid mid 300's for PPM in ATL for a 6-7 that is very nice and very accomodating (SB's, not Pros). No experience with anyone over an 8 so I don't know what's being paid. I do know that what's quoted on this board is the very bottom of the pay scale mentioned on Reddit threads. Numbers that low are referred to as Salt Daddy's. 500 PPM get's you to Splenda Daddy. Obviously, none of the whales paying 10 K per month are posting on this site so it leaves me scratching my head sometimes on a $475 ask for a PPM for an 8. Forum says I'm bordering on Simp and Reddit (SB's and SD's) says I'm barely a Splenda Daddy. Right or wrong, I just try to guess what the average in a particluar market might be and shoot for something in that range which can be quite broad, and changes from week to week.

[FarFarAway]

Did the OP report the extortionist to Seeking? He should. You can say that scammers will just set up a new profile once they get banned.

However, there are lots of guys who get banned (for different reasons. Being too explicit on the pay for play they are doing), and they often show up here moaning about how they can't establish a new profile because the site bans them again. Seeking has tools that can detect when the person is the same as someone who has been banned in the past.

Undoubtedly, extortion is illegal activity, and one would not have to divulge their own IRL info to report them. Just screenshot the messages demanding payment.

[Berol Loz]

https://members.seeking.com/member/0...6-2d22d30253c7

Said she wanted $1 k ppm. No one is really paying that right? I've had absolute bombshell 20-25 yr olds for $400. Is anyone really paying $1 k?

Never heard of anybody giving that amount of money, 400 is much more reasonable for a few hours.

[Berol Loz]

STDcheck does do mycoplasma, I know because I just had the test done in addition to my full panel.

The typical treatment for Mycoplasma is a treatment of doxycycline followed by a treatment of azithromycin or moxifloxacin. Even after you get a negative test results, residual symptoms can last for a couple months.

Agree, on their website though they say you have to order it from "their sister site" https://www.healthlabs.com/mycoplasma-genitalium-test.

https://www.stdcheck.com/blog/mycopl...alium-new-std/

[MilfHunter818]

https://members.seeking.com/member/0...6-2d22d30253c7

Said she wanted $1 k ppm. No one is really paying that right? I've had absolute bombshell 20-25 yr olds for $400. Is anyone really paying $1 k?

[Peter Johnson]

A. But with all the new AI tools and ransomware attacks in the news a good case could be made that the conversation and pics were AI generated fraud and you are the target of scam. .

We need some AI tools, where we can take our photo and will generate something that looks sort of like us, but not too much. I suppose that Fawkes tool is essentially similar to that though.

I haven't been on the site for a year, with no dating / sex, and wanting to get back on, but these horror stories are what keep me hesitant. Every time I get on there, I have some great experiences, but also some bad ones that turn me off for months, or longer.

[Peter Johnson]

It sounds like Frosty did the right thing, by paying this extorting scamming piece of sh*t theif, even though it could still not work. If he has a lot to lose, with his family and reputation, etc, then $1600 is not a high price to pay. It's not like you can go to the police or FBI and explain,. "Yes I was going to pay this girl $450 for. Ummm. Errr. Companionship and to let me mentor her, but then she blackmailed me. And all that sex discussion in the texts was just play. Didn't mean it. ".

Basically, the "girl" has you in a bad spot, if they know your personal info, name, address, etc and you know nothing about them. That puts them in the power position. You could agree to meet in person and give them the cash, but they probably aren't going to go for that, unless they are really stupid.

Anyway, you did make some mistakes, but was mainly just bad luck and with this facial recognition bullsh*t, it could happen o most any of us, at any time.

Big props for sharing your story, and helping to make us more aware of the risks out there. We know the, but we also forget sometimes how omnipresent they are. You can certainly feel frustrated for making a few slip ups, but nothing to feel embarrassed or ashamed about, for sure.

[2me4Looking2]

One point of clarification. Fawkes is good, but it needs to be applied to the real photos that are of you that are already out on the internet. That is how the facial recognition sites form a model they used to interrogate new inquiries. So, if the LinkedIn pic has been out there without cloaking, the world already has everything it needs to find it.

I have started making cloaked headshots for professional purposes, I can't avoid providing headshots to people. Perhaps over time the new ones will dilute the regular, old ones and then I won't be found by facial rec.

You should also take any photo you intend to send to a POT and use it as the basis for a search on the two main facial rec sites. You can do this for free. Once it finds your IRL postings of your photos, you can request the search sites to delete your IRL results. They will do this for free.

I have one photo that I have put black dots over the nose and eyes. It is 'safe' for facial rec and other reverse image searches. The basic photo I used to start was NEVER put on the internet.

BTW, if you intend not to put your own photos on a dating site, but someone who looks like you, these sites are a good way to find some pix. You might even pick someone who looks better. However, to get to the site to grab those photos, you would have to pay their fee. One of the sites takes only bitcoin. A pain for those of us who are crypto skeptics.

I swapped out all my of profile pics with cloaked pics through Fawkes and I cloak anything I send. So far when I check my own pics I use through the AI search tools, they don't turn up anything. I also set all my social sites to private. People can still share uncloaked pics of me and I can't really do anything about that without drawing attention, but so far so good. I would never put a real pic on the site though. I won't even send one in a private message on the site.

[Viktor213]

As a married, professional guy doing well there's a lot to lose in being exposed so respect for the panic. But with all the new AI tools and ransomware attacks in the news a good case could be made that the conversation and pics were AI generated fraud and you are the target of scam. The LinkedIn profile is already public and probably showing a good job title and company suggesting you're doing well. Add the public FB profile and the rest is easy to find. The conversations and chats could be photoshopped. Plus the scammer is probably an overseas man so no voice contact. Scorned women actually call each other and not hide behind the keyboard. If your mongering has been cash-based the "exposure" can be explained. Not to mention what you described is pure extortion and $1600 doesn't make sense for the risk so probably an overseas scammer. So at worst it's 50/50 on if the Mrs. Will buy the scam story with better odds on how you handle it.

Safe hunting.

So, today I got caught being incredibly stupid and had to to pay the price (literally) for it.

I signed up for Seeking a few months ago and was having some pretty decent success. I met and played with 4 different babies over the course of about 2 months and I let my success go to my head and I dropped my guard. A few days ago, a girl with the profile name Rita contacted me and said she was interested. Her profile pics were smoking hot. I am 52 y/o and she is 24 y/o, thin, great rack, big pouty DSL lips, she reminded me of Amanda Seyfried. Anyways, she moved to negotiate a price pretty quick. She asked for 450. I countered with 2 and she accepted right away. First warning sign. I asked about rules, she said she had none. Second warning sign. She did all this without asking me ANY details about me. Third warning sign. I asked her to move to text and she readily agreed. So I gave her my Google Voice account and we continued, where she was talking dirty about all the nasty stuff she wanted to do to me and I was eating it up like kid in a candy store. At this point, I am no longer thinking with my big head and she has me wrapped around her finger. So, she sets a M&G for tomorrow at a Starbucks in Midtown and said if it went well we could go back to her place for some fun. Awesome! Or so I thought. At this point, she asked me to send her a recent headshot so she would know what I looked like. And this is where I fucked up royally. Not thinking straight, I dug through my photo album and found a headshot from about 10 years ago and sent it to her. Unfortunately, I had completely forgotten that this was the headshot I used in my LinkedIn profile that I set up 10 years ago and completely forgot about.

A few hours later, she springs her trap. She sends me a screen capture of my LinkedIn profile, my Facebook profile, my wife's Facebook profile, my property address, etc. And tells me if I don't send her $1600 via Cash App she will go public to my wife and all our friends that I like to pay young girls for sex and send them copies of our conversation, screen caps of my Seeking profile, etc. , etc. Apparently, she did a Google image search and found my LinkedIn profile and from there got enough info about me to search Facebook and property records. She has me dead to rights and she knows it. She promises me that if I pay her, she will go away and I will never her from her again.

I'm completely busted and I don't see any way around it. I could risk telling her to fuck off but I looked at all the contact info she has from my LinkedIn profile and Facebook profile and I decided it wasn't worth the risk to see if she was bluffing. So, I told her I would pay her off but I can't do $1600. We settled on $1 K and I sent it her. At this point, I have no choice but to hope that she is an honest thief, but I won't be surprised if she comes back and asks for more, in which case, I will have to tell her NO and just risk dealing with the fall out or the blackmail will never end.

Lesson learned! Don't send ANY photos that you have ever used anywhere else. Don't give out ANY personal information that can be used to track who you are. I know these are probably common sense, but damn, she pushed all the right buttons and, like I said, I let my recent string of successes blind me to this trap.

Needless to say, I deleted my Seeking profile, my LinkedIn profile, and my Facebook profile. I have access to my wife's Facebook page (which she never checks), so I am going to monitor it for a while so I can intercept any incoming DMs, but I just have to hope for the best at this point.

In related news, I think I am probably going to take a break from this hobby for a while.

Stay safe out there.

[ElPerron]

Texted with this one, she said her ppm was $$. 5 but she didn't want to discuss any details of what she was providing, just keeps saying something chill, then she started telling me that she does content, I just stopped replying her text, she immediately deactivate her account, but two days later she hit me again she wanted me to send her. 5 for food, she said she'll do anything LOL, I told her to go try to scam other guys.

[TravelinSD]

I certainly agree with Far that most of these are foreign scammers looking for easy prey. I had one a bunch of years ago. I did the "It's extortion, I'll report you thing. " They actually responded that they were offshore and not concerned with that. Fortunately, I'm pretty much much blackmail proof. I'm single, a freelancer (so no employer to contact), etc. Up to you, but they probably wouldn't follow through with exposing you. I know it's a lot harder for those with a wife, family, etc. So, best to step careful.

Good Luck,

Travelin.

The dude fucked up big time, no doubt. However, there are different ways to deal w / extortion. I think a common tactic goes something like this. Send her a message:

While IK that stepping out on my spouse isn't the nicest thing I have ever done, it isn't a crime. However, extortion definitely is a crime. A Federal crime. I have all the evidence I need in all the messages you have sent me to get you easily convicted. So if you want to persist in threatening to out me to, my next stop will be with the FBI, because at that point I have nothing to lose. Doing time in Federal prison is no walk in the park. Among many things, there is no parole or time off for good behavior. You serve the sentence you are given.

[ElPerron]

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...5-eedf8c914b2c

Any of you had any deals with this one? She said she is ok with ppm but aI have to send the donation before meeting LOL.

[FarFarAway]

I got news for you chief, any photo you send of yourself can likely be matched to your linkedin profile pic, unless you run it thru fawkes (a digital scrambling windows app for pics).

I'm sorry to hear what happened. You have to use alot of common sense with these "women" before sharing details about yourself. I don't have a wife so I really don't care, but fast movers are usually scammers. Buyer beware.

One point of clarification. Fawkes is good, but it needs to be applied to the real photos that are of you that are already out on the internet. That is how the facial recognition sites form a model they used to interrogate new inquiries. So, if the LinkedIn pic has been out there without cloaking, the world already has everything it needs to find it.

I have started making cloaked headshots for professional purposes, I can't avoid providing headshots to people. Perhaps over time the new ones will dilute the regular, old ones and then I won't be found by facial rec.

You should also take any photo you intend to send to a POT and use it as the basis for a search on the two main facial rec sites. You can do this for free. Once it finds your IRL postings of your photos, you can request the search sites to delete your IRL results. They will do this for free.

I have one photo that I have put black dots over the nose and eyes. It is 'safe' for facial rec and other reverse image searches. The basic photo I used to start was NEVER put on the internet.

BTW, if you intend not to put your own photos on a dating site, but someone who looks like you, these sites are a good way to find some pix. You might even pick someone who looks better. However, to get to the site to grab those photos, you would have to pay their fee. One of the sites takes only bitcoin. A pain for those of us who are crypto skeptics.