Massage Parlor Reports

[Wayupinya]

Can any hobbyists provide an update on the Aqua weekend roster? Am very interested in meeting Yoko, a mixed Japanese / Chinese woman who was the subject of a favorable review about a week ago.

Am anticipating a weekend visit to Aqua and I realize rosters can change and change again, often with little or no notice. I'll follow up with an inquiry phone call before driving to Aqua but any preliminary info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

The current lineup is Connie & Yoyo.

[Boopsie]

Longtime Lurker.

Been a while since I visited here, but I like it cause it's tucked away. Dreamt of Wendy a nice one on the younger side wit natural Bs and a tight kitty. She was sensual and teased nicely. The Dream was nice and she did most of the workl. Only posting cause she was super nice and said it was so slow that she would leaving in a month. Place is clean and the sheets smelled fresh. Give her a visit if you are on this side of town.

[Tonguewizard63]

Hey all, moved to the area recently near winter garden. Any leads on good places? It seems pretty dry without driving half an hour plus somewhere. Appreciated.

[Dick Jackman]

Can any hobbyists provide an update on the Aqua weekend roster? Am very interested in meeting Yoko, a mixed Japanese / Chinese woman who was the subject of a favorable review about a week ago.

Am anticipating a weekend visit to Aqua and I realize rosters can change and change again, often with little or no notice. I'll follow up with an inquiry phone call before driving to Aqua but any preliminary info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

[Hammer67]

I've been in this game for many years and have seen this same legislation in different states. It's all election year BS. Smoke and mirrors. After a few months it will all be forgotten. These businesses pay taxes to the state and there are quite a few of them and money talks. Any AMP that's done business for a while knows this. It may make things difficult for a short while and we may lose a couple in the process but that's the cost of doing business. After November it will start to ease up then it will be back to build usual.

[Dr Willy]

(...) You are a wealth of knowledge.

I wouldn't say that. Frankly, I don't actually know crap. However, I can Google the sh!t out of most anything! LOL!

Do AMP's fall under Health Care Provider? To me, an AMP is like getting your nails done at a nail spa or getting your hair cut at a barber shop. This is just me though.

What it IS to you and what it IS to the State of Florida Government are very definitely two different things.

In Florida, the Florida Board of Massage Therapy was legislatively established to ensure that every Massage Therapist practicing in this state and every Massage Establishment meet minimum requirements for safe practice. Massage Establishments (the actual Florida 'legal' term for what we all call AMPs) are inspected and investigated by the Florida Department of Health, and, as of July 1st, 2024, are required to comply with Florida House Bill 197 (click that red link for the full text of the bill).

As the "service" is considered Massage "THERAPY", it falls under Health Care and HIPAA would apply, however, as referenced below, LE is all but exempt from being restricted by HIPAA restrictions. The thin protections offered by HIPAA in this environment only means that the AMP can't share your personal information with... anybody else... but LE gets a free peek.

See there... I just made Google 'sing and dance a fancy show-tune'! HA!

OK, now then ... beyond Google and into "Opinion" mode: In my opinion, LE isn't about to go into an AMP, collect customer information, and run out to knock on doors to "embarrass" men at their homes in front of their families. I suppose they COULD, but that's a LOT of work for no benefit, as there is no way to prove a crime has been committed. There is actually no way to PROVE that any AMP logbook, with YOUR NAME in it, was filled out by YOU! Your buddy, your neighbor, your high school bully could have put down your name/address/phone number ... totally without your knowledge! Finally, as has been noted many times by those here with a calm disposition, there is nothing illegal about going into a Massage Establishment and getting a massage.

That said, I DO think the purpose of the requirement to collect client name/address/phone number is more to scare clients away and reduce the business volume of the businesses involved. How many of you guys are skittish about giving out that info? How many of you guys might choose NOT to go to an AMP out of this fear/concern? While it's (most likely) no actual threat, that fear/concern is running through many of your thoughts, even though it needn't be.

[PipeFitter315]

Are there any AMPs with good looking girls non Asian? Providing the same services as Asian of course. Thanks for any information.

[Trex3648]

Do AMP's fall under Health Care Provider? To me, an AMP is like getting your nails done at a nail spa or getting your hair cut at a barber shop. This is just me though.

[CallMeMatthew]

Good to know. You are a wealth of knowledge.

-cmm.

According to the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (read the government summary document HERE):

A HIPAA covered entity also may disclose PHI to law enforcement without the individuals signed HIPAA authorization in certain incidents, including:
... read the full list of all EIGHT "incidents" described on page 2 of the summary document at the link above.

Basically, HIPAA isn't going to "protect" anybody here from LE looking at AMP records.

[Dr Willy]

(...) I do think the inspector can ask to see the forms from the clients. I would think that is a violation of HIPAA but perhaps not.

According to the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (read the government summary document HERE):

A HIPAA covered entity also may disclose PHI to law enforcement without the individuals signed HIPAA authorization in certain incidents, including:
... read the full list of all EIGHT "incidents" described on page 2 of the summary document at the link above.

Basically, HIPAA isn't going to "protect" anybody here from LE looking at AMP records.

[CallMeMatthew]

Dr. Willy. Thank you for the great information. The details matter. I like your idea of using some sort of made up company I'd. I was at an AMP recently that asked me to fill out a form and I gave them the bare minimum. As I read the statute there is no penalty to us for providing false information. However, I do think the inspector (and one had been to the AMP I mentioned that day. Says they will come yearly) can ask to see the forms from the clients. I would think that is a violation of HIPAA but perhaps not.

-cmm.

No. That is incorrect.

As I read HB197, they are not required to scan, or even view, your ID. The law simply states they are required to "verify", but does not demand examination of government issued ID.

There is only the suggestion that medical records (protected, to some extent, by HIPAA), MAY be used to satisfy record keeping, but this is only ONE WAY to do so, and does not require a specific method. Additionally, HB197 wording clearly states "A copy of the clients or patients photo ID may be used to provide the full legal name and home address." By use of the word MAY, there can be no REQUIREMENT.

How they choose to "verify" would seem to have been left ambiguous by the wording of the law, so if LE wants to criticize their verification procedures, LE would have a difficult time enforcing any sort of government issued ID check... as the law fails to demand that action on the part of the Massage Establishment.

Based on the fact that NO other place has (yet) reported to be demanding ID's, I'm simply suggesting a customer should patronize THOSE places. At the time that ALL places start demanding ID's, then the game has changed and different rules would apply. Someone let me know when that happens.

Regarding use of a "fake ID", McLovin' or otherwise, Florida Law stipulates that it's illegal to possess and/or display a fake, forged, stolen, counterfeit or borrowed driver's license or state-issued identification card. The statute (Florida Statute 322.212) makes the mere possession of a fake ID a crime, and the ID does not need to be used for any particular purpose. If you are caught with a fake ID, the penalty can be filed (at the discretion of the States Attorney) as a third-degree felony carrying a jail sentence of up to 5 years with a fine up to $5000 (that's a lot of hobby-dollars).

So, if one wanted to employ use of a "fake ID", make sure it's a bogus Employment Badge or Identification, or some other NON-GOVERNMENT issued ID, with the necessary information to satisfy any AMP asking for ID. However, if an AMP is asking/demanding an ID, I'll just bet they won't take anything but a Driver License or State ID, simply because they're already being overly zealous about the perceived requirements.

By the time this all works itself out in a few months, all of the hullabellew will likely have amounted to a giant "Nothing Burger" (I don't know WHAT Louella Parsons was thinking when she coined that stupid term, but it's the dumbest metaphor I've ever heard!).

[Bing789]

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[OlderThanRocks]

Feel free to use a name of a local "piece of shit" politician.

LOL -- there are too many options!!

[FlMongerer]

Blue ocean they scanned my I'd.

Yeah, I'm not doing that.

[Jeff1976]

So your strategy is to drive the AMPs out of Florida because they won't be able to make money as they're being forced to do this?

The way I figure it. If the businesses don't have any way around doing this -- I doubt they're going to be required to truly validate that the I'd isn't fake.

So we can all buy fake IDs or just quickly Photoshop, print out, and laminate a fake copy of your real one that you use for the hobby.

Just don't try to board a plane with it.

Realistically, with all of the on-line business card options (damn near free), it would seem that a fake business card would satisfy the need to verify I'd. Feel free to use a name of a local "piece of shit" politician, and leave a copy at the front counter.