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[PriscillaM]

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[Admin2]

I agree with most of what everyone is saying, and I would just add that everything we say about "them" can actually perfectly describe "us" as mongers, including the two statements above. Our own participation in this stuff has molded our lifestyles and likely damaged us in ways that maybe not everyone among us is ready to recognize and really grapple with. This includes stuff like our entitlement to women's bodies (implicit in the transaction even if we're adamant that we would never), our objectification of women here (the reviews process almost requires it), and our own desires for immediate gratification. I'm complicit in this too, so I'm not even like absolving myself so much as trying to name a hard truth that no one here seems to be calling out directly. Everyone's philosophizing on how "hoes will be hoes," which I do agree with in general, but we seem to also be avoiding the harder work of critiquing ourselves and our roles as mongers in all of this. It's kind of hard to do the work of thinking about the shit we're responsible for in this whole cycle, too.

Notably, too, we generate the demand that keeps girls here or keeps them coming back for more money. We know this deeply: without us, these girls would not be here (or there or wherever there are men. Some of us enable by buying gifts (small or large) for girls, showering them with attention, and even simping for them (I'm not condemning or endorsing these actions here, by the way). So I think that we (at least in part) help produce the conditions that produce "hoes. " Not that it doesn't mean we can't all get together in an online circlejerk and lament how all they want is money, but we should also maybe think about how we give them the money to enable it.

And finally, if all women are hoes, then what does that make the men who cheat on their girlfriends and wives? What does it make the men who pay for and measure sex and intimacy by the hour? It'd be remiss to say we're not implicated or kinda f*cked up in this process too. I'd make the argument that we're certainly are not the beneficiaries we think we are. Like I'm grateful to bang hot girls but I know almost inevitably this is messing up expectations of really settling down with someone in the future. That's the nature of this hobby and this work. Two sides of the same coin.

All that bullshit of the work we have to do goes out the fucking window when they put a price tag on their pussy. Please post this shit elsewhere. It's a transaction, I give them money they give me service. Yes it should be respectful, agreed, but fuck all that 4th wave shit.

Seriously, don't post that shit on a review thread again.

A2.

[Subak77]

They have so much experience, whether it be negative or positive is their perception of things but it leans more towards negative, that it has to mold the way they think, talk, act, move about, etc. You can't live a lifestyle for a certain amount of time and it not become apart of you to some extent, at least imo.

It is proven fact that the behavior change is extremely challenging and requires consistent effort and intentional modification of habits. Cognitive dissonance, the power of habit, homeostasis, and the desire for immediate gratification can make behavior change difficult. It requires taking small steps towards behavior change is crucial, and patience and persistence are essential in achieving self-improvement goals and when the hoe gets a huge sense of entitlement and does not believe that there is anything wrong with what she has done in past, good luck to any man who mingle with these hoes.

I agree with most of what everyone is saying, and I would just add that everything we say about "them" can actually perfectly describe "us" as mongers, including the two statements above. Our own participation in this stuff has molded our lifestyles and likely damaged us in ways that maybe not everyone among us is ready to recognize and really grapple with. This includes stuff like our entitlement to women's bodies (implicit in the transaction even if we're adamant that we would never), our objectification of women here (the reviews process almost requires it), and our own desires for immediate gratification. I'm complicit in this too, so I'm not even like absolving myself so much as trying to name a hard truth that no one here seems to be calling out directly. Everyone's philosophizing on how "hoes will be hoes," which I do agree with in general, but we seem to also be avoiding the harder work of critiquing ourselves and our roles as mongers in all of this. It's kind of hard to do the work of thinking about the shit we're responsible for in this whole cycle, too.

Notably, too, we generate the demand that keeps girls here or keeps them coming back for more money. We know this deeply: without us, these girls would not be here (or there or wherever there are men. Some of us enable by buying gifts (small or large) for girls, showering them with attention, and even simping for them (I'm not condemning or endorsing these actions here, by the way). So I think that we (at least in part) help produce the conditions that produce "hoes. " Not that it doesn't mean we can't all get together in an online circlejerk and lament how all they want is money, but we should also maybe think about how we give them the money to enable it.

And finally, if all women are hoes, then what does that make the men who cheat on their girlfriends and wives? What does it make the men who pay for and measure sex and intimacy by the hour? It'd be remiss to say we're not implicated or kinda f*cked up in this process too. I'd make the argument that we're certainly are not the beneficiaries we think we are. Like I'm grateful to bang hot girls but I know almost inevitably this is messing up expectations of really settling down with someone in the future. That's the nature of this hobby and this work. Two sides of the same coin.

[HapaBoy86]

It may be gross to think about getting sloppy seconds right after a physically repulsive monger, but if you think about it, they likely are having much less sex than the average male, so in terms of STD vectors for our pool of K girls they must be a statistically lower risk.

The K-girls are probably like those gang bang girls who do 300-500 guys and don't much care for the dude's physique.

You should see the dudes that walkout of Kgirls appts on the westside!

5'0-5'3, super duper coke bottle glasses, tummy hanging down below shirt (probably hasn't seen his of penis in many years when he looks down), pushing 300 lbs for being 5'3 under and even some.

Dudes 5'5-5'7. Man tiities size of c cups, greasy ass hair, when he walks he breathing like he just ran a marathon, looks dept 5, etc.

[TempletonRat]

Will leave the girl's name out of it, but just a general rant real quick. Apologies in advance if this describes any of you but I need to vent a sec.

Saw a girl but I'm quite sure that I ran into the monger before me and. This dude was fuckin GROSS looking.

Holy shit. Imagine Danny Devito but add 150 lb. (Not sure of ethnicity).

I walked into her room and damn it smelled like a Jamaican curry joint.

None of this girls reviews ever stated there was smells or anything. So I can only surmise it was from another monger.

The smell & just the mere thought I was going after that "THING" I saw. Will give me nightmares tonight.

Pretty sure it affected her mood as well. And who can blame a girl? She just fucked a monster.

I hate to say it. But for younger / top talent, either the girl or agency should start placing stricter restrictions on clients.

Age, weight, race..

It may be gross to think about getting sloppy seconds right after a physically repulsive monger, but if you think about it, they likely are having much less sex than the average male, so in terms of STD vectors for our pool of K girls they must be a statistically lower risk.

The K-girls are probably like those gang bang girls who do 300-500 guys and don't much care for the dude's physique.

[JackHolly]

Yeah, unfortunately for the girls, the vast majority of this is just work. They generally don't get to pick whom they see. Just like our jobs, we have our good clients / experiences, and we have the clients / experiences that we hate and detest. And most of the time, we have to just deal with it.

There have been countless times a girls has told me a story about a monger they saw who stank, had a bad attitude, or wasn't clean, etc. And a few times, based on what the monger wrote here, I'll know it was that guy. And of course, he writes about it like it was an amazing time (which I'm sure it was, for him). Most of these girls do a fantastic job of making us believe that they really like being with us. That doesn't mean they can't enjoy it every once in a while, with the right people. But most of the time, it is still just a job to them.

Once girls start giving you freebies / discounts, or want to hang out with you for free outside, you know that they actually like you. Maybe not enough to date you, but at least enough to want to spend time with you to have some fun outside of work.

Will leave the girl's name out of it, but just a general rant real quick. Apologies in advance if this describes any of you but I need to vent a sec.

Saw a girl but I'm quite sure that I ran into the monger before me and. This dude was fuckin GROSS looking.

Holy shit. Imagine Danny Devito but add 150 lb. (Not sure of ethnicity).

I walked into her room and damn it smelled like a Jamaican curry joint.

None of this girls reviews ever stated there was smells or anything. So I can only surmise it was from another monger.

The smell & just the mere thought I was going after that "THING" I saw. Will give me nightmares tonight.

Pretty sure it affected her mood as well. And who can blame a girl? She just fucked a monster..

Yep, some of the dudes that visit Kgirl are gross. I have a story similar to this as well. I had just finished destroying Kelly while she was Cindy's roommate and we were heading out but Cindy had just finished and me and Kelly were peeking thru the door while the guy was leaving and I kid you not this guy was like over 300 pounds and had sweat stains on his shirt idk how because he had prob just showered Cindy finally got him to leave all smiles until she shut the door her face did a total 180 it was a face of total disgust I felt bad for her. Me and Kelly walked out and Cindy was still there saw me and Kelly glued together basically and told me in her broken English that why I hadn't seen her before that she prefers to see young handsome men I just smirked and said maybe next time. Kelly said something In Korean and Cindy pulled me over pulled my pants down and was shocked at my size while I was soft she asked me how much bigger it got when hard I told her to stoke me a bit to find out so here I am in the living room with Cindy stroking my dick and Kelly fondling my balls. Until I was full mast Cindy let out a little yelp and Kelly started laughing and Cindy said to not see her because she would not be able to handle me. Then looked at Kelly and asked her how she could take me and Kelly just laughed and said that she loves big dick and started walking me to door. I told her to chill a bit because I was still hard until I started going soft and I headed out. I walk out and I kid you not the guy that just had Cindy still hadn't made it down the hall so I decided to take the stairs instead to avoid them.

[DankDonk]

All that to say, even though everyone loves to say "it's as easy as supply and demand" (because it's a good sound bite), it's actually always a little more complex.

Again nope I'm not fcking theorizing, its not complicated, its pretty simple. You're either HYA or you're not, and if you're true HYA, you will stay busy enough over a long period of time in LA without needing to move cities IN SPITE of seasonality and all the other factors I've mentioned before (wives, gfs, recessions, LE busts, covid, stds), because BROS can't GET ENOUGH OF HYA. The house and agency have overhead. You think theyre going to let a slow girl take up a room in mid wilshire, where typically popular girls work or where they can test new girls?

"Whenever Lady moon comes back through town" Hmmm I wonder why girls like Moon and Baby Joo need to consistently circulate to other cities like OC and Vegas, then back to LA. If only they were busy enough to STAY in LA, as other top tier girls hmm. The fact that you think Chloe Kim, who has a flat, fat pancake face, is cute, DQs you having any credible judgement on attractiveness. And I think its funny that you've been backtracking on Haven, only saying she's cute now. Only if there was an acronym for Cute Young Asian. Facts are facts. The LA market has spoken on Haven. We unleashed our loads during her first tour but most of us didn't go for more during her second tour. She's just another ho, don't get in your feelings. Maybe she'll come back when she's slow in OC.

Hot and young is a combination of attributes that represents the top tier sub-category of physical attractiveness. It's meant to be a small club.

You saying OC and LA are the same is the most clown thing you've said. Let me guess, you're both a dogers and angels fan lmao. I forget who said this before but someone made a good analogy. OC is JV and LA is the pros.

Bro your example of the j-girl influx exactly proves my point. If they were top tier girls in their homebase, do you think they would have to resort to trying tricks in LA?? Sure economy is bad in Japan, but did the porn or escort industry completely shut down? BTW I'm talking about LA market within the US landscape. Did I ever say the hottest working girls in the entire world are in LA?? And let's see what has happened with all the j girls that have come to LA. 95% vanished after short attempt and even the higher reviewed ones like Baby coco or Baby momo have gone to other cities.

I guess Haven is whoring out of the goodness of her heart and she's here as part of a christian missionary. Bro I brought up NG simply as an example to show there are levels to this and she's a girl that has been consistently highly reviewed by many people to be HYA, and stayed busy enough to STAY IN LA. And why do the non-physical traits of NG discount her being HYA, but for Haven, her so-called HYA label is inclusive of her personality? Ever thought her acting cute is a way to make you come back and hustle your ass?

[James D 2004]

Ho ho ho!

I braved the LA Friday traffic. That beach booker told me to go up immediately. But I was left high and dry at the door. Total communication broke down. I can wait but this is ghetto. She must had been doing a QV for a hundred or two. So much disrespect. I left. I wasn't far when she called me back and offered a discount. No way. $50 cannot buy my dignity. At least $100. But she hesitated for a few minutes. Or the booker asked for approval. Too late. If I return she lost only $100. If I don't, she lost all $500. That will teach her a lesson.

[Phazze93]

Will leave the girl's name out of it, but just a general rant real quick. Apologies in advance if this describes any of you but I need to vent a sec.

Saw a girl but I'm quite sure that I ran into the monger before me and. This dude was fuckin GROSS looking.

Holy shit. Imagine Danny Devito but add 150 lb. (Not sure of ethnicity).

I walked into her room and damn it smelled like a Jamaican curry joint.

None of this girls reviews ever stated there was smells or anything. So I can only surmise it was from another monger.

The smell & just the mere thought I was going after that "THING" I saw. Will give me nightmares tonight.

Pretty sure it affected her mood as well. And who can blame a girl? She just fucked a monster.

I hate to say it. But for younger / top talent, either the girl or agency should start placing stricter restrictions on clients.

Age, weight, race.

Look, I'm not expecting every monger to be ripped. But god damn, but please some hygiene.

Some y'all (not sure if that dude is reading this forum) are fuckin nasty.

[GeeDaty]

What's with these argument novella posts lately? Mongers be getting attached to their favs feeling the need to come to their defenses on an online forum.

Can we please get back to posting reviews and recommendations for potential HYAs. IDK about why'all but I use this forum to guide my decisions about whether I'm going to spend my $$$ on a HYA or not.

If you want to have a back and forth with someone, there's a perfectly good PM system on this forum. We don't need this clouded with your sidebar conversation.

[PaenkeikeuPounder]

Tried to warn. I agree, standards are dropping here or supply isn't good. Its ok you can say she's ugly.

I think my comment was edited haha. Boner do comments get edited before being posted in the forum? I put some more stuff in the original that didn't come through. For example, I called someone a baboon lmfao.

[Subak77]

You said Baby moon is Yeji's doppelgnger. Your words. I personally would prefer mongers don't include comparisons if they're not realistic, but if they do, I will dispute and debate. That's what this platform is for. That's my way of improving the intel here. Lot of guys DM me agreeing but I guess they don't want to publicize.

I'll ignore most of your ad homs bc what's the point, but the Yeji comparison has been made and not only by me. Moon / Lady has the same cat face, similar facial structure, and a pretty large LA fan base whenever she comes back through town. Are you saying there's *zero* resemblance? Bc then I think you're blind. I said doppelganger in a moment of hyperbole before you and Slim came for me lmao!! I'll just call everyone baseline ugly from now on bc you seem to only want to bang HYA 10's for a couple hundred dollars an hour LMAO. See Shinjuku's comment on the impossibility of what you're asking for.

Anyway, I have conviction in my comparisons, and I know for a fact Zebra's eyes are sharp when it comes to noting visual references (even if he has slightly different *preferences* lmao which is totally fine). I'll note too that you do have good observations and I agree with some of the descriptions / details you note (for example, Chloe Kim and TMNT but cute). You have weird flexes but bro I'm so sincerely happy that you have dudes sliding into your DMs? I have talked to folks agreeing with me too, and Haven's positive reviews in the OC HYA thread speak to her all-around cuteness and GFE service. Yeah let's agree to always disagree on this on this then lmao.

I'll put my age guessing abilities against anyone here. If there's proof I'm ever wrong, I'll concede. In fact, based on Boner's HYA criteria, I would exclude Celine since she could realistically be up to 35-36 yo. She wears a lot of makeup and things she talks about are dated. And "one type"? Says the guy who's blowing his entire load across this forum on Haven.

I agree with Celine being in mid-30's BTW. Heavy makeup fr but her general prettiness made her feel younger, which is always how it goes. BTW I would put Freesia in early- to mid-30's, too, but bc again her visuals (and mannerisms) help to make her feel more youthful.

My top 5 are pretty varied across face and body type LOL. It's also clear that there's a singular (and sometimes boring) standard of "beauty" which we all kind of understand to be some combo of super skinny and big-ish boobs (I'm thinking about Freesia), and "pretty" face in a classic sense (I'm thinking about Celine, NG, Erica's face). I do think there is a breadth to who constitutes HYA and not only in the "classical" sense, as if there's only one correct answer. Subjectivity and whatnot.

I know you're trying to intellectualize this topic, but it really is as simple as fundamental supply and demand. I only need to say it once. Top tier girls will start and stay in LA or, at some point, make their way to LA. LA is arguably the biggest market for kgirls in the US with the most dudes and consistent spenders. Look at the number of / density of incall locations and bookers. There's always a new booker trying to spin off, recruit / poach girls, and trying to get a piece of the pie. Pricing and destination are all orchestrated between houses / bookers and agencies in korea. True top tier girls are recession-proof. Nothing, and I mean nothing, will prevent top girls from staying busy. Not covid, not STDs, not LE busts, not marriage, not GFs, not recessions, not being broke because dick inside HYA overrides all logic and risk.

Isn't intellectualizing what you're doing here? We're actually both just theorizing about what's happening and that's fine. Actually, I think paying *more* attention to trends can only be a good thing for mongers to think outside of all of their heads, little and otherwise. I agree LA is the biggest market, but you're also acting like the demand is strong and consistent all the time — that's not the case now in Nov / Dec 2023, and it wasn't the case in Nov / Dec 2022 and Nov / Dec 2021. There are clear seasonal shifts in demand *and* other variables that you're just crudely dismissing as trivial but, in reality, they affect the day-to-day earning potential for girls. I know a number of married mongers who had to step away after the bust bc they were scared of LE (but more of their wives finding out).

"True top tier girls are recession-proof. " This is also again crude and just plain wrong. The influx of J-girls and a number of JAV stars (as everyone knows) are literally coming to the US because of Japan's economic contractions in July-September 2023. (Are they true top-tier? Idk but I don't fuk with J-girls LOL.) You are making an idealized claim that really hot girls will always make money and that's probably like the LeBron / Messi analogy that somebody mentioned earlier about Freesia LOL. Yeah fine, super super hot girls will find a way to make money. But by and large (as Shinjuku noted), the LA market is a little bit different from that reality. True top-tier girls are probably in Macau or Dubai or some other place where working conditions (smaller dicks, more not-asshole customers, higher pay) are better. So are the HYAs (based on vibe) here in the LA market recession-proof? Probably not. Some of the girls who were booked for 3-4 weeks solid in the spring and summer are finding that business is a lot slower now for all kinds of reasons. It's kind of obtuse to ignore those as "not important if the girl is hot enough. " LOL hotness unfortunately does not solve all problems. All that to say, even though everyone loves to say "it's as easy as supply and demand" (because it's a good sound bite), it's actually always a little more complex.

Also, the LA / OC / SD market overlap has always been there. SD mongers drive to LA all the time, and some LA mongers with time / resources will drive down to SD. Shrug. Haven's still in LA area as far as I'm concerned.

NG is a good case study. She was consistently busy in the same location for a year. Some simps would regularly drive hours to see her LOL. She had multiple daddies but she's been a shrewd professional since her teens in different countries.

OK, on NG as case study. She's not a good case study for understanding what's happening in the industry in Nov / Dec 2023 bc she's not around. Chalk it up to good timing or whatever, but she avoided this slowdown in business and good for her. She'll be back tho bc she's shrewd (as you noted) and she loves money and hustling mongers LOL. Observation. Not hate here.

So, first, NG is not really HYA lololol sorry but she's got to be pushing 40 easily. But I do understand how and why she becomes a lot of people's ATF. She's a shrewd professional and that has less to do with HYA and more to do with her keen business acument. She works dudes with money and knows how to do it with savvy. That's how she landed those daddies. She also lets dudes do a lot to her in session that brings her up in the service rankings easily (and maybe make her "look" hotter bc that's how that goes sometimes). That's fine. But she's not doing it only on the basis of her so-called HYA looks. So she's a case study for business school fr but not for HYA only whatever.

[DankDonk]

I saw Yujin last week because of some of the good reviews. She's a pretty cute women. But she's def not HYA. This ***** is in her 30's and had a baby a while back. She has scars on her stomach and if you ask her what her tattoo near lower back means it's her child's name LOL.

I would not repeat. Nothing egregious. She's pretty but IMO she's a 7/10 with nice tits. She could barely take my dick (prob my fault since I can pound the whole hour). I felt like I was killing someone the way she was moaning. Service she tries hard but she doesn't know what she's doing. I like women who know how to fuck well or are seasoned pros to satisfy my demons. If they are not good at the deed, they better be hot and young as hell.

Don't get me wrong. She's not ugly. But some of the reviews LOL. I wonder if people are going blind or just falling in love with working girls.

Exactly. Yujin was not exciting. She's the most plastics face I have seen in a while. Service wise, she's just laying there.

Tried to warn. I agree, standards are dropping here or supply isn't good. Its ok you can say she's ugly.

[DankDonk]

2. Okay let me just clarify. Nobody is saying an exact replica of Suzy Bae is going to open the door for the pittance we're paying per hour. Plus I think Haven looks more like Bora Kim (the influencer Zebra noted in his review too). The visual references point I made is to encourage comparisons so that we have a better sense of what someone looks like and sometimes even like a fractional similarity in terms of upper facial structure, or similarities to nose and lips, that kind of thing. To give an example of how this works (quite well) in practice, see the recent reviews of diff girls by AlexisDavis and ZebraZebra. I'm thankful some folks are attentive to detail.

Bora Kim?? Lmaoo that's an even worse comparison. I don't even know how you draw a line between Haven and Bora kim. You can "see" whoever you want to see, but these comparisons diminish your claims of having a superior, nuanced eye. That was my initial point. And again, I have nothing against Zebra, but he said Yujin is ATF LOL. Stop making up concepts like "fractional similarity". Just say her nose looks like so and so's. You say you don't want oversimplified generalizations, but these comparisons are, by definition, just that. You said Baby moon is Yeji's doppelgänger. Your words. I personally would prefer mongers don't include comparisons if they're not realistic, but if they do, I will dispute and debate. That's what this platform is for. That's my way of improving the intel here. Lot of guys DM me agreeing but I guess they don't want to publicize.

4. Oh ok we're playing the "What kind of Asian are you?" I'm Korean. And it's incredibly weird (and uncomfortable) to flex by sharing personally identifiable information of a girl, so let's just stop this part of the conversation here. You know sooooo much about Korea, kudos. I am just a lowly gyopo. LOL lowkey giving Christophe. BTW just bc you're Asian doesn't mean you can't do things that are lowkey yt in thought and logic.

If you're man in your 30's don't say things like "I'm uncomfortable" - makes you sound whiny. And don't try to twist that into me flexing. I knew she's not from seoul as soon as she started speaking due to the accent. Any korean would pick up on that. Oh no! I've outed her! There's only a gazillion korean girls outside of seoul.

Here's what you constitute as white logic: (1) yt people are always the first to call 40-somethings young 😂 and (2) they have like one type when it comes to Korean girls.

I'll put my age guessing abilities against anyone here. If there's proof I'm ever wrong, I'll concede. In fact, based on Boner's HYA criteria, I would exclude Celine since she could realistically be up to 35-36 yo. She wears a lot of makeup and things she talks about are dated. And "one type"? Says the guy who's blowing his entire load across this forum on Haven.

5. Last thought is more a reflection on industry dynamics. There's more at play than an oversimplified claim that "real HYAs stay in LA. " The whole question of who constitutes HYA is in flux constantly. But even then, the recent influx of J-girls, the news of the bust in November, and the general holiday slowdown (that seems to be a recurring annual phenomenon) are important factors to consider in thinking about why folks have relocated. Bastard (our resident economist, among other things) has done a good job of providing some sharp macro insights elsewhere in the forum. It's never that simple and things are always changing in this industry, so it's good to be aware of trends and disruptions. Also bro Haven is in OC not like Boston LOL. Thankful for that. But I seriously hope she makes all the money she needs to make and gets out of here so that she doesn't have to tolerate all of our bullshit for that much longer.

This argument really shows how little you know. I know you're trying to intellectualize this topic, but it really is as simple as fundamental supply and demand. I only need to say it once. Top tier girls will start and stay in LA or, at some point, make their way to LA. LA is arguably the biggest market for kgirls in the US with the most dudes and consistent spenders. Look at the number of / density of incall locations and bookers. There's always a new booker trying to spin off, recruit / poach girls, and trying to get a piece of the pie. Pricing and destination are all orchestrated between houses / bookers and agencies in korea. True top tier girls are recession-proof. Nothing, and I mean nothing, will prevent top girls from staying busy. Not covid, not STDs, not LE busts, not marriage, not GFs, not recessions, not being broke because dick inside HYA overrides all logic and risk. NG is a good case study. She was consistently busy in the same location for a year. Some simps would regularly drive hours to see her LOL. She had multiple daddies but she's been a shrewd professional since her teens in different countries. I know Haven is your gf, but facts are facts. She needed to relocate. Don't take it personally. "Also bro Haven is in OC not like Boston LOL" Again shows you're not aware of how different OC / LA markets are. Logistically easier to just move to OC under same agency and tap into new market. You get ambitious SD mongers too.

[Subak77]

Bro I'm asian and go to korea 1-2 times a year. I have civie friends more attractive than your list. And what's your real ethnicity? While I agree Haven is cute...

1. Finallyyyyy! First, let's just agree that Haven is cute. Hehe. She's HYA to me and many other reviewers here and elsewhere. Superlative natural face and boobs. Nonghyup Bank.

2. Okay let me just clarify. Nobody is saying an exact replica of Suzy Bae is going to open the door for the pittance we're paying per hour. Plus I think Haven looks more like Bora Kim (the influencer Zebra noted in his review too). The visual references point I made is to encourage comparisons so that we have a better sense of what someone looks like — and sometimes even like a fractional similarity in terms of upper facial structure, or similarities to nose and lips, that kind of thing. To give an example of how this works (quite well) in practice, see the recent reviews of diff girls by AlexisDavis and ZebraZebra. I'm thankful some folks are attentive to detail.

3. The Chloe Kim reference was a dig at Slim's pretty two-dimensional post history LOL. The TMNT visual comparison is pretty good. So it *is* possible for you to make good visual references. Keep up the good work lmao.

4. Oh ok we're playing the "What kind of Asian are you?" I'm Korean. And it's incredibly weird (and uncomfortable) to flex by sharing personally identifiable information of a girl, so let's just stop this part of the conversation here. You know sooooo much about Korea, kudos. I am just a lowly gyopo. LOL lowkey giving Christophe. BTW just bc you're Asian doesn't mean you can't do things that are lowkey yt in thought and logic.

5. Last thought is more a reflection on industry dynamics. There's more at play than an oversimplified claim that "real HYAs stay in LA. " The whole question of who constitutes HYA is in flux constantly. But even then, the recent influx of J-girls, the news of the bust in November, and the general holiday slowdown (that seems to be a recurring annual phenomenon) are important factors to consider in thinking about why folks have relocated. Bastard (our resident economist, among other things) has done a good job of providing some sharp macro insights elsewhere in the forum. It's never that simple and things are always changing in this industry, so it's good to be aware of trends and disruptions. Also bro Haven is in OC not like Boston LOL. Thankful for that. But I seriously hope she makes all the money she needs to make and gets out of here so that she doesn't have to tolerate all of our bullshit for that much longer.

P.S. AlexisDavis wow at your list. Thank you for pushing us to be better. Shout out to Boner for his attempt at a Tittysburg Address. We're all degenerates here, but let's try to be better, more informed degenerates that don't settle for oversimplified generalizations.