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  1. #4401

    Random but I miss XOC

    I still miss XOC boys. Pretty Russian and EE women at a fairly affordable price (when comparing to indy market). The upcharges were goofy but they literally were bringing in 8/10 minimums with most being 9's and dimes. The game needs a replacement badly.

  2. #4400
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    Posts: 1948
    Quote Originally Posted by Derilious89  [View Original Post]
    The problem remains that it only takes one monger pooping himself to bust the agency. For all we know, cops could have tried to turn 500 guys and only gotten actionable intel from like the 20 ish they referenced in the document. The important part for every guy is to understand that you are a individual in the case. They can't tie others actions to yourself. The only way they can arrest you is if you they have cameras in the room when you do the deed (and even that might be questionable since most of the girls don't even look at the envelope, though it seems like the new J-girls are more like to do it since it's something done in Japan). Don't text explicit stuff and even put in some text about "enjoying the time talking about work" or something for some plausible deniability on your side.

    This can't save you from LE going rogue and outing you to your family or something, but you should always be aware what constitutes evidence for arrest. LE going out of their way to out you to your family is a whole different story, and one that may even be a legal case you can push for unlawful activity on their part.
    It's unlikely that anyone will be individually outed to their family. That would not only be stupid, from a PR standpoint, but would also (as you mentioned) leave prosecutors and LE open to legal actions.

    If, for whatever reason, they want to out people publicly, the smarter way to do it is to either find some kind of pseudo-legal pretext or else find some way to orchestrate an "accidental" release that can't readily be traced to anyone. I'm sure there are a number of slimy, publicity-hungry media outlets that would be willing to assist.

    It's the non-public use that should be most concerning to some. While flat-out blackmail is unlikely to happen, knowledge is power and some high ranking officials may be faced with a choice between resignation or becoming the subject of a separate (non-criminal) investigation. Most govt officials have some kind of security clearance, and that's the likeliest method of arm-twisting I can think of.

    And, since govt and private sector bigwigs tend to benefit from a double standard, it's probable that they'll be allowed to handle their problems differently than the smaller fish. They have influence and stuff to bargain with. It's the lower and mid-level guys who are more likely to get screwed, and not in a good way. Suspension or revocation of a clearance is a career-ender. The feds don't have to tell your family anything because it'll be up to you to explain why you lost your job and are unemployable in your (former) chosen field.

    Note: Just for clarification, I'm not saying any of this Will happen, only that it's possible and anyone who thinks they may be at risk should prepare for worst-case scenarios. Also, for those who are still inclined to trade PII for access to pussy, these are some of the associated risks.

  3. #4399

    It Only Takes One

    The problem remains that it only takes one monger pooping himself to bust the agency. For all we know, cops could have tried to turn 500 guys and only gotten actionable intel from like the 20 ish they referenced in the document. The important part for every guy is to understand that you are a individual in the case. They can't tie others actions to yourself. The only way they can arrest you is if you they have cameras in the room when you do the deed (and even that might be questionable since most of the girls don't even look at the envelope, though it seems like the new J-girls are more like to do it since it's something done in Japan). Don't text explicit stuff and even put in some text about "enjoying the time talking about work" or something for some plausible deniability on your side.

    This can't save you from LE going rogue and outing you to your family or something, but you should always be aware what constitutes evidence for arrest. LE going out of their way to out you to your family is a whole different story, and one that may even be a legal case you can push for unlawful activity on their part.

  4. #4398

    Video. Don't Talk to the Police

    Excellent lecture from Law Professor James Duane. Well worth the watch.

    https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE?si=4AZvUzz2JuSQ_qHA

  5. #4397
    Quote Originally Posted by BravoFox  [View Original Post]
    Rebrands, new crews, websites and locations should do the trick. No way human trafficking sticks. All the girls I have seen took this as a job like any other, but this one pays a lot more. Thinking this has to do with Politics and elections right now. By next year it's going to be all about Fentanyl crisis.
    My friend is an FBI agent and he confirmed, this reads like a corruption case with FBI saying "look we did a thing" right before election season ramps up. He thinks local PD, politicians, high profile people might face pressure to resign or be exposed, but it's unlikely anything happens with the full black book.

    Side note, seems like APC and BO websites down. I'm guessing they did this just to lay low for now?

  6. #4396

    Waiting Game

    How long do you all think the agencies will be on vacation? My guess is they'll be back after Thanksgiving.

  7. #4395
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1948

    A couple of thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by DCHung  [View Original Post]
    Never lie.

    And remember the script.

    THE POT BROTHERS AT LAW FAMOUS SCRIPT.

    "Why did you pull me over?

    (When they ask questions like where are you going? Where are you coming from? What is that smell?

    "I'm not discussing my day. ".

    "Am I being detained or am I free to go?" (If you are being detained, invoke the 5th amendment.).

    " I invoke the fifth".
    IMHO, it's important to strike a good balance between asserting your rights and avoiding unnecessary confrontation with LE. That's simply because a pissed off cop is more likely to go out of their way to screw with you. You might be 100% correct, but they have 1000 different ways to f*ck with you.

    I saw one idea I thought was pretty good. It suggested adopting a faux-confused attitude, as though you don't understand what's going on. Then, because you're so "confused," you tell the cops that you feel like you should talk to a lawyer before talking to them. The "L" word invokes the 6th amendment, which should be a (less confrontational, IMO) trigger for the questioning to stop. If LE persists, continue being "confused" and apologetic, while remaining firm about wanting to talk to an atty first. Just my two-cents' worth.

  8. #4394
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1948

    Agencies vs Indies

    Quote Originally Posted by SaintPolycarp  [View Original Post]
    Eros.com has over 98 high-end prostitutes available only in DC area right at this moment and with Tryst 114! These bitches have the real list of the most powerful figures of the United States of America! But MTF Feds don't persue these bitches, fucking bigots! Let us watch how this circus show will be ended!
    Most, if not all, of the women on Eros and Tryst are independents. It's harder to make a trafficking case against indies, and "trafficking" is a ready gateway for the feds to get involved.

    Also, I don't think these cases are about specifically targeting providers who might have high-profile client lists. It seems to me that the article is simply pointing out what prosecutors are likely to do when such a list falls into their hands.

    I know this thread is dedicated to agencies, but I made the point in the News and Media thread that (IMO) independent providers are a safer way to go.

    http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post6672253

  9. #4393

    Template game

    Quote Originally Posted by DCHung  [View Original Post]
    Never lie.

    And remember the script.

    THE POT BROTHERS AT LAW FAMOUS SCRIPT.

    "Why did you pull me over?

    (When they ask questions like where are you going? Where are you coming from? What is that smell?

    "I'm not discussing my day. ".

    "Am I being detained or am I free to go?" (If you are being detained, invoke the 5th amendment.).

    " I invoke the fifth".
    This is universal protocol to avoid any dramas; thanks hung.

  10. #4392

    Bullshit!

    Eros.com has over 98 high-end prostitutes available only in DC area right at this moment and with Tryst 114! These bitches have the real list of the most powerful figures of the United States of America! But MTF Feds don't persue these bitches, fucking bigots! Let us watch how this circus show will be ended!


  11. #4391
    Quote Originally Posted by DS080  [View Original Post]
    Are APC and BO closed? Or are they operational still and just websites are down? I've seen BO reports on TER posted just yesterday, which makes me think they're still up and running. Maybe they're allowing only limited clients to enter?
    Also curious, hopefully they are taking a break.

    Have to start hunting for new ones now.

  12. #4390
    Senior Member


    Posts: 191
    Are APC and BO closed? Or are they operational still and just websites are down? I've seen BO reports on TER posted just yesterday, which makes me think they're still up and running. Maybe they're allowing only limited clients to enter?

  13. #4389
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1948

    New article re the agency bust situation


  14. #4388
    Senior Member


    Posts: 2088

    Remember the script

    Never lie.

    And remember the script.

    THE POT BROTHERS AT LAW FAMOUS SCRIPT.

    "Why did you pull me over?

    (When they ask questions like where are you going? Where are you coming from? What is that smell?

    "I'm not discussing my day. ".

    "Am I being detained or am I free to go?" (If you are being detained, invoke the 5th amendment.).

    " I invoke the fifth".

  15. #4387
    Quote Originally Posted by JimRob  [View Original Post]
    I went to this place back in Jan 2022, I didn't have to give them my pii, I got verified from ter and JJ club. I found an old text I sent them.

    Thank you. She's great, dude outside in car made me so nervous and man in lobby. They had a fed look to be them I was nervous I almost left. But they left when I was done. Maybe I was Too paranoid.

    And they responded with.

    No worry no one knows. Thanks .

    I've learned never give your private info. Stay safe gentle mongers but even back then I think the place was being watched.
    Usually you don't need to give PII if you a reliable agency to vouch for you. But most OG like DS probably won't take BG JJ or BO as a reference since they are so easy to get in. Also member shouldn't bring post the exact building where these agency are. All we have to do is give out the city name. My guess is fed was digging into the dude that did the fraud COVID relief program and stumble on the agency. Just follow the money.

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