LA LA Land Bullshit and Fight Club

[SuelyBrah]

You keep bringing up white knights as if they need help. If you have been paying for sex for 2 decades, you will know how things work. But obviously, you don't. So I have to shoot you down.

You were acting like a white knight, coming to milady's rescue there. I obviously don't know how things work? Coming from a guy who can't read the menu and knows how listerine works? Please.

My last first date on Enclave told me she earned 6 figures last year but blew it. That's low but I'm not surprised by their low frequency of turning up. There are some well-known HX MILF progressing to GILF who won't bother to turn up for less than $500. They had a run for years, multi-6-figures each. Now they have financial freedom and wouldn't risk being rejected at first sight after preparing an hour to patch their face and unclog their plumbing. I'm sure they are more easily over it than you do. What else? Find somebody to retrieve your QV rate? Give you a bad rating?
This is rambling and irrelevant to what we are talking about.

I want to say something because I can vouch for her robotness and her unique BBBJ, LOL. Is this a bad thing? If she still has a QV rate, what do you expect?

Now if I can get a refund for every unsatisfactory service, I will be rich!

Unsatisfied service is a very understate phrase here. There is a huge difference between a guy being unsatisfied of a girls performance vs. Her giving him a bad attitude, not honoring her menu, dissing him, gaslighting, and telling him to GTFO. And if you think it's totally normally to be treated that way, you got some self respect issue. If you are paying for a good time and coming on as a gentlemen with the right energy and attitude, it is now up to the provider to hold their end of the deal and provide you the good time.

You confessed you started it all. All you need is a needle to put anything you want in the mouthwash. If DFK / LFK isn't on the menu, why would you think you have the right to kiss her neck?

Now if you can find me a girl (other than k-houses or c-houses) who will let me wash her body including her feet and let me kiss anywhere not explicitly mentioned on their menu and I'll be a happy man. Even in k-houses and c-houses, they normally won't let you wash them, not thoroughly. You always have to leave the tub first without knowing what they do after.

(not that I didn't read, your "messaging" isn't the correct word).

I did not confessed that I started it all. You need to learn to read between the lines better. You keep bringing up this lame argument how the listerine was an issue. It is NOT. I have been requesting and doing this for years. I never had a girl who had issue with it. Secondly, if a guy came through that door intending to harm, rob, rape the girl, you know what's the most common way? With a gun or a knife. Not supposedly drugging people with stuff they put in a mouth wash. Get your facts straight. This is what my female friends whom are in the business tell me. It's always with a weapon.

Third, I also offered to use the mouth wash myself. Now explain to me genius, how do you suppose that someone drugged a mouth wash and then offer to use it themselves? What do they have an antidote that they took beforehand? Absurd.

For the record, this is what her menu says verbatim: "I enjoy providing a loving GFE experience that includes: - FBSM. LFK / DFK. BBBJ - BLS. DATY - DATO (on me only) - FIA / FIV / DDP ".

Do you at least acknowledge that the word GFE and LFK / DFG is there?

Your argument has made no sense. From what I can see, you are white knighting for bad female behavior. Have some standards for yourself. Expect people to treat you better and your fellow guy mongers.

[Lexx1]

Short and sweet review:

She's the girl in the pic, but got pimples on her back. Suck at sucking dick, no skills. Her compliance is bad, will not let you do certain position agreed things on her menu. Does not really honor her GFE experience. And worst of all, her attitude is dogshit, bitchy, will try to gaslight you. I DO NOT recommend seeing.

Long fun full story:

I am no beginner when it comes to monger, been at it for years starting on PD (I quit that trash site). Along my journey, I have met many, many girls. I would say that the overwhelming majority of them are okay, some are pretty damn good, some aren't so good but they're not someone I put on a DO NOT SEE, DO NOT RECOMMEND ever again list. About maybe 1 out of 20 or 30, I would say, are ban list worthy.

I met up with his girl from Hx, user name is SabrinaValentine. We screened lightly, texting was cool, everything was cool and I through her door. She sat at the corner of her bed in the other room, didn't greet me. I noticed her annoyed, "not so happy to see you" stare. It was a stare. Now I came in there, dressed up, clean cut, cologne on, greeted her with a "hey how are you?

Her energy was pretty negative. So I figured she's having a bad day.

I proceed by requesting that she use some Listerine mouth wash that I brought with me. (Yes gents, definitely ask them to do this before they give you BBBJ. You'd be surprise how it reduced your chances of getting a viral infection and killing off bacteria.) Anyhow, my exact words: "I have a small request that you use this mouth wash before we start. I always ask every provider to do this. ".

She shook her head and said no. She said, "I already had some breath mints before this. ".

I replied, "oh this isn't for breath freshening. It's for disinfecting. " She said fine, asked me to open it and used the mouth wash. She asked me to wash my hands, and after I remember pulling out my donations to give to her. Then she said to go wash my hands again. Interesting, she would give BBBJ without a using any oral disinfectant and a worry in the world but scared about touching money. Okay.

Soon after, we started off with her giving head. Here honestly, all I have to say is that she suck dick at, well sucking dick. I felt teeth and the motion was not natural.

After a little bit of that, she said to me, "can you get on top. I don't want to ride. ".

My exact reply was, "Sure. You must be tired huh?

Then she replied with an attitude, confrontational tone of voice, "Why?? Do I look tired?" It is not hard to tell if someone is giving you attitude by how they say things, not what they say. I don't need to explain this here. But keep this in mind cause we will go back to it.

I said, "It's the end of the week, most girls are tired. I'm just asking. " I'm trying to defuse the situation cause we are in the middle of it. But honestly, thinking in hindsight, I should've just cut my losses here. Actually, it was best to walk out that door when I noticed her death stare in the very beginning. Learn from my mistake gents.

We put a wrapper on, started off with me on top in mish. A few minutes in, did what I normally enjoy is light kissing of the neck. I notice soon after she didn't like that and she request to go doggy. We did that and I finished soon after cause I wasn't enjoying it any longer. I went to rinse off, came out and she's still giving me this mad dog look. Now this is where the fireworks start to fly.

I calmly and cordially said to her these exact words, "I am not sure if I did something wrong, but you seem a bit annoyed. Was it something that I did?

Her exact reply was, and remember this line, "Perhaps, maybe. " in annoyed tone. (That means yes).

Then I went on to bring up how she gave me a mad dog stare at the beginning, how she seems annoyed to just use listerine mouth wash, and the biggest kicker of all, was her attitude and how she responded to my comment about being tired.

Her reply was, "OMG it's in your head. You are probably coming in here upset and putting this on me.

Gents, this is classic narcissistic manipulation technique, it's called "flipping the trigger. " They will try to pit exactly whatever you are saying about them on to you. I have my masters in psychology.

We go back and forth. She then said, "You are assume that I look upset. She said, "what if I'm not upset but I'm actually dyslexic, got autism, or something like that?" *****, please. I wasn't born yesterday to not know when someone is giving me an attitude, being a *****, and is in a pissy mood vs them actually being autistic.

We went back and forth some more, and ultimately, she said it was all in my head. This is another classic sociopathic argument technique, gaslighting. She's denying my reality and saying what she did was totally normal. I was "overreacting. " her words.

I had enough of arguing with the energy vampire, so I left. As I got out of the door, she said, "Get the fuck out of here. ".

Okay hun.

A bit later, she texted me saying that I forgot to leave behind the donation. To be honest, I did remember touching the money and leaving it behind. But I don't remember if I somehow put it back? Maybe it was when she asked me to go wash my hands again after I pulled out the donation.

Anyhow, I was busy at the time and didn't see nor reply to her text for a few hours. She said she's really appreciated it if I come back and drop off the donation, smiley happy face emoji. Okay hun. You've been such a doll.

Now I had driven out of the area already. I am not a thief and was seriously considering dropping off her donation. Bu considering what I went through? I would NOT want to go through that again even if she PAID me that money instead.

What would you do in this situation gents? How would you handle this from the very beginning? Would you have kept the money to teach her a lesson or send it back?

I've been reading this story in the other thread and it's got me cracking up. First you guys are throwing around the white knight / capt save a ho term alot concerning this. This is not a white knight situation nor the best to describe it. I've dealt with real white knights / captsaveaho's and it's alot more involved than this. This is only about being honest and paying for services rendered or not.

An old term that we used to use during the golden days of non-pros is "smash and dash" and better applies in this situation. Meaning you fuck a chic and take off without paying. I knew some dudes that used to do that. I didn't think highly of that and was not my modus operandis. In my personal experience there was one non-pro that I accidentally shorted a 20 on her cash and she messaged me about it. I apologized to her and met up later that day again and I gave her the 20. There were two chics that were UTRs that claimed I didn't pay them but I had. And we were going back and forth by text with them wanting me to pay them. I told them to keep checking and both eventually found the cash and apologized. One thing when I pay for services I do not put it in an envelope. For all anybody knows there could be monopoly money, cut papers to look like money or fake money in there. I always give them cash they can see is real money and I always say put it in a safe place you won't forget.

Now you yourself should know if you paid her or not. By when you got home and checked your pockets you'd still see the cash or envelope I believe you mentioned. It's up to you if you didn't pay her and still not want to pay her. And be a jerk and have completed a smash and dash. Or you could do the honest thing if you realize you still have the money and didn't pay her, and go pay her. At this point though it seems to late since she's blocked you and doesn't want anything to do with you anymore. So it looks like she's washed herself of it and time to put this situation to rest.

[SuelyBrah]

What you failed to mention on the post is if you found the money on your person or not. If you did, you are 100% wrong.

WTF kinda question is this? "Would you have kept the money to teach her a lesson". Who the EFF are you to teach anyone a lesson. That in itself is a controlling narcissistic behavior. (EW). That's like me asking you, did you walk in the door, stick your d1ck in her and do you want to be an a $$hole? Your answer should be No. You played, shitty session, bad chemistry.....it happens, Meh. You take the L and no matter what, donation is left. Im not saying you didn't, just sharing what proper "DECENT' protocol should be.

You said you have mongered but how can you ask a question like that?? If you 2 didn't hit it off, you didn't hit it off. You don't get to say, "Hey this sucked and I don't feel I should give you donation". Again I am not saying that what happened but I am using it as an example.

I am faaaar from a White Knight as I have had effed up situations happen to me and I have put a provider on blast but again, in your massive diatribe of a post, you never said did you "find" the money on you. So did you ?? BTW, its not her that is messaging you, its her booker.

SMH.

Maybe you didn't read the entire post. Maybe I didn't type in a way that's plain and clear for you. The point is, I did not know I had the donation in my pocket until way later when she texted me asking for it. I had left the area already. Now is this clear enough for you?

Next, about teaching her a lesson question because of her bad attitude and gaslighting attempt. No that is not narcissistic. It reinforcing a contract. It's about getting what you give out. If you treat people like trash, expect to be treated like trash. Fair? Let me throw that question back at you, "Who the EF are you to think you are teaching me a lesson about teaching other people lesson?"

Some of you fellow mongers need to hold the line. Do not let these 304 treat you badly and get away with it. They took your money. They need to fulfil their end of the bargain.

[James D 2004]

It's not a big deal. No one gives a shit. ***** didn't get paid. So what? She had attitude and trash service. It is what it is. You guys talking about doing "right" yet you're in this hobby LOL.

I know you hate these *es. Are you advocating that we should force a refund after every bad service?

[James D 2004]

Good, don't. Cause the moment you try to help a 304, they see you as a simp, someone easily manipulated. They will let Chad and Tyrone blow their back for free, while teasing their simps to keep him interested and they can continue to use and manipulate them. I've been banging girls over 2 decades. I got a good idea how their mind works.

You didn't read my message correctly. I don't have a lockout account issue. She blocked me from messaging her. She made that decision. I am over this.

You keep bringing up white knights as if they need help. If you have been paying for sex for 2 decades, you will know how things work. But obviously, you don't. So I have to shoot you down.

My last first date on Enclave told me she earned 6 figures last year but blew it. That's low but I'm not surprised by their low frequency of turning up. There are some well-known HX MILF progressing to GILF who won't bother to turn up for less than $500. They had a run for years, multi-6-figures each. Now they have financial freedom and wouldn't risk being rejected at first sight after preparing an hour to patch their face and unclog their plumbing. I'm sure they are more easily over it than you do. What else? Find somebody to retrieve your QV rate? Give you a bad rating?

I want to say something because I can vouch for her robotness and her unique BBBJ, LOL. Is this a bad thing? If she still has a QV rate, what do you expect?

Now if I can get a refund for every unsatisfactory service, I will be rich!

You confessed you started it all. All you need is a needle to put anything you want in the mouthwash. If DFK / LFK isn't on the menu, why would you think you have the right to kiss her neck?

Now if you can find me a girl (other than k-houses or c-houses) who will let me wash her body including her feet and let me kiss anywhere not explicitly mentioned on their menu and I'll be a happy man. Even in k-houses and c-houses, they normally won't let you wash them, not thoroughly. You always have to leave the tub first without knowing what they do after.

(not that I didn't read, your "messaging" isn't the correct word).

[GimmeMoreHead]

What you failed to mention on the post is if you found the money on your person or not. If you did, you are 100% wrong.

WTF kinda question is this? "Would you have kept the money to teach her a lesson". Who the EFF are you to teach anyone a lesson. That in itself is a controlling narcissistic behavior. (EW). That's like me asking you, did you walk in the door, stick your d1ck in her and do you want to be an a $$hole? Your answer should be No. You played, shitty session, bad chemistry.....it happens, Meh. You take the L and no matter what, donation is left. Im not saying you didn't, just sharing what proper "DECENT' protocol should be.

You said you have mongered but how can you ask a question like that?? If you 2 didn't hit it off, you didn't hit it off. You don't get to say, "Hey this sucked and I don't feel I should give you donation". Again I am not saying that what happened but I am using it as an example.

I am faaaar from a White Knight as I have had effed up situations happen to me and I have put a provider on blast but again, in your massive diatribe of a post, you never said did you "find" the money on you. So did you ?? BTW, its not her that is messaging you, its her booker.

SMH.

It's not a big deal. No one gives a shit. ***** didn't get paid. So what? She had attitude and trash service. It is what it is. You guys talking about doing "right" yet you're in this hobby LOL.

[HoeWhisperer]

What would you do in this situation gents? How would you handle this from the very beginning? Would you have kept the money to teach her a lesson or send it back?

You're a clown. You stole from that girl. She fucked sucked and made you cum. She did what she was there to do and held up her end of the deal. You robbed her. You're lucky the booker didn't give you a red mark.

I've also seen Sabrina and I don't doubt that she had an attitude or was rude but if you complete the session you pay the money. Guys like you are why the site is going to shit.

[KoolKeith323]

No comment about the situation, but if you did the deed, and kept the money by accident, you should pay it back. Not some white knight shit, but word will get around, also she's part of a crew. You're not going to be able to see other girls part of the crew if they strike your fancy.

The white knights are just as stupid, thinking they'll get so many brownie points hoping to get freebies. I'll never forget a very well known provider (not saying who) telling me ladies don't give a shit about them either, and use their dumb asses just to get info and gifts tattle telling like a kid, thinking they'll get "extras, hanging out off the clock discounts, or freebies" before and during sessions. LOL!

[GuysTT2]

A bit later, she texted me saying that I forgot to leave behind the donation. To be honest, I did remember touching the money and leaving it behind. But I don't remember if I somehow put it back? Maybe it was when she asked me to go wash my hands again after I pulled out the donation.

What would you do in this situation gents? How would you handle this from the very beginning? Would you have kept the money to teach her a lesson or send it back?

What you failed to mention on the post is if you found the money on your person or not. If you did, you are 100% wrong.

WTF kinda question is this? "Would you have kept the money to teach her a lesson". Who the EFF are you to teach anyone a lesson. That in itself is a controlling narcissistic behavior. (EW). That's like me asking you, did you walk in the door, stick your d1ck in her and do you want to be an a $$hole? Your answer should be No. You played, shitty session, bad chemistry.....it happens, Meh. You take the L and no matter what, donation is left. Im not saying you didn't, just sharing what proper "DECENT' protocol should be.

You said you have mongered but how can you ask a question like that?? If you 2 didn't hit it off, you didn't hit it off. You don't get to say, "Hey this sucked and I don't feel I should give you donation". Again I am not saying that what happened but I am using it as an example.

I am faaaar from a White Knight as I have had effed up situations happen to me and I have put a provider on blast but again, in your massive diatribe of a post, you never said did you "find" the money on you. So did you ?? BTW, its not her that is messaging you, its her booker.

SMH.

[SuelyBrah]

I didn't see her for a year. No brownie points can save that. I'm just giving you no excuses. If you have no fx points, you can go to your own profile and unlock 3 days for 40 points I think.

Good, don't. Cause the moment you try to help a 304, they see you as a simp, someone easily manipulated. They will let Chad and Tyrone blow their back for free, while teasing their simps to keep him interested and they can continue to use and manipulate them. I've been banging girls over 2 decades. I got a good idea how their mind works.

You didn't read my message correctly. I don't have a lockout account issue. She blocked me from messaging her. She made that decision. I am over this.

[SuelyBrah]

Good. Don't pay that *****. Even if you paid her afterwards she would've still trashed you. Fuck her. These 304's need to improve their services and attitude if they want to get paid.

That part about the 304 needing to improve their services and attitude if they want to get paid is spot on. You hit the nail on the head on that one.

With my situation, it isn't about the money. It's about holding the line for a deal. The deal is, if you agree to pay x amount, the girl need to do whatever is posted with reasonable attitude.

Guys pay the girl for two things, service and to be treated reasonably okay*, just okay. I am not talking about being treated like a king here.

But apparently, it seems like a decent of guys would just settle for a shitty service and be okay with a 304 treating them like shit. It is your money, your time, and your pleasure. Expect nothing less. We need to hold the line and have standards gents. Enough with this simping, being a wimp, and being a backboneless coward and not stand up to this bs they throw at us.

I have had the pleasure to meet girls who went above and beyond to make the experience amazing. And to that, I have tipped them extra because I felt like they deserve it. Great attitude and service go a long way.

[GimmeMoreHead]

Well shit this is cute. She tried to message me about the forgotten donation. I didn't see the message till an hour later. She then blocked my number before I could reply and then blocked me on Hx.

Whatever, I am not going to pursue this any more. We can chalk it up to my loss and her loss. Like I said, if she OFFERED to PAY me double that money to come and experience what I experienced, I would not take it.

Good. Don't pay that *****. Even if you paid her afterwards she would've still trashed you. Fuck her. These 304's need to improve their services and attitude if they want to get paid.

[James D 2004]

No, you don't have to work for her for free, be a "good Samaritan" and white knight for her. You will not earn any brownie points with her.

I have tried to contact her. I am over this. And I think she is too.

I didn't see her for a year. No brownie points can save that. I'm just giving you no excuses. If you have no fx points, you can go to your own profile and unlock 3 days for 40 points I think.

[SuelyBrah]

PM her HX account. If you wonder if your PM is blocked too, I can PM too.

No, you don't have to work for her for free, be a "good Samaritan" and white knight for her. You will not earn any brownie points with her.

I have tried to contact her. I am over this. And I think she is too.

[SuelyBrah]

Well shit this is cute. She tried to message me about the forgotten donation. I didn't see the message till an hour later. She then blocked my number before I could reply and then blocked me on Hx.

Whatever, I am not going to pursue this any more. We can chalk it up to my loss and her loss. Like I said, if she OFFERED to PAY me double that money to come and experience what I experienced, I would not take it.